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Re: Where are all the Vintage Creed bottles?
Originally Posted by Indie_Guy
Lol. Just now while looking at that old Olivier Creed bottle in the picture above, I noticed the price tag on the box-- $8.95.
"A princely sum... "
I wouldn't pay that much today for most of the Creed perfumes I've smelled, let alone the equivalent of $8.95 in 1970s dollars. From what I can glean, it seems representing Creed as a perfume manufacturer dating back to the 1700s is a complete fabrication, one so outrageously fatuous and backed by such absurd prices that people have bought the lie hook, line and sinker. Most of the Creeds I've smelled have a similar synthetic quality and lack of complexity which I find unpleasing, some painfully so. I find many are highly derivative. I think we can safely say that Epicea, the first and oldest perfume Creed has ever produced and sold dates to 1975, a date seemingly lost in the mists of time for those gullible consumers who clearly have no concept of history. Sorry to be harsh, but I'm tired of the massive deception which Creed's own marketing system is the sole perpetrator of. I truly feel sorry for those who've spent hundreds of dollars on what I would consider quite mediocre fragrances at a price point one-third of the prices they demand. Has no one on this forum read Luca Turin's Perfume Guide? He's hardly complimentary when it comes to Creed. Only Green Irish Tweed, one of Creed's fifty plus offerings, merits four out of five stars in his book. For the sake of discussion, I quote,
"Probably the only truly great fragrance produced by this firm, it was composed in 1985 by Pierre Bourdon, who three years later rehashed a similar structure in the hugely successful and endlessly imitated Cool Water. Green Irish Tweed feels as good as it ever did, with the brilliantly imaginative accord of Ambroxan (metallic amber), dihydroxymyrcenol (gray citrus), and octin esters (green violet leaf) sweetened by a touch of apple up top and sandalwood below. Brilliant, legible, perfectly balanced, immediately recognizable."
This, from a chemist who ought to know what he's smelling, renders Creed's claims that they use only the finest natural ingredients categorically untrue. Calling for truth in perfume advertising is a little like calling for truth in Hollywood film-making, but I find Creed's blatant fabrication of history crosses the line into tastelessness. Another thing: for a company based in France, with Erwin Creed presumably a native speaker, they seem to have a lot of trouble with the language, accents, proper use of adjectives, etc. Shouldn't it be Vanille Sublime? And what about Royal Ceylan? Please, using the French spelling for the name of a country which changed its name and ceased to be a British Colony in 1948, then present the first bottle to Kate Middleton? Why, to remind her of a simpler time when the sun never set on the British Empire? You'd think a company with a Royal Warrant would have a bit more tact. I could go on. Finally, getting back to the question which started this thread, which I've recently been pondering myself, I think we can safely answer: there aren't any.
Re: Why all the hate for Unforgivable by Sean John?
Why all the love for Millesime Imperial and Green Irish Tweed? I can't stand either of them and certainly don't believe a word of Creed's particular brand of made-up dead celebrity endorsement. Easier to have someone long-dead "endorse" your fragrance, I guess. If they're dead they can't tell you they never wore it because it didn't exist yet.
Re: Help me understand the hype about Millesime Imperial
Originally Posted by Kevin Guyer
"It's popularity has always boggled my mind: the smell of mediocrity, bottled."
Well put. I think that's what makes it so popular, actually. It's completely average and indistinct and safe, which attracts those who don't like unusual things and don't wish to stand out in any way. They thrive on the compliments of others, perhaps because they are unsure of their own tastes. However, because it is ridiculously expensive and comes with the trumped-up Creed pedigree, it gives those who like it a reason to prove that it is worthy of their praise. In my opinion, the same can be said of pretty much all of Creed's offerings. My honest opinion is that it is no better than Axe body spray. Aventus is even worse, because more tenacious. I hope this helps you to understand the hype about Millesime Imperial. As for me, I simply don't like they way it smells.
And finally, my response to a response:
Re: Where are all the Vintage Creed bottles?
Originally Posted by zztopp
"We have all discussed that Luca Turin book a gazillion times before. Perhaps you didn't notice him complimenting several other Creeds on their quality of materials yet still dishing out 2-3 stars at most? There are many of Luca Turins 4-5* favorites that we can imperiously dismantle with scathing reviews yet I am sure you and him will gladly spend upwards of $100 on those frags because you like to wear them..and thats what counts the most, correct?
Being biased is quite big in academic circles and I should know - like you (assuming you are a real prof) I also hold a Ph.D and spent several years trying to publish papers in the most selective journals in my area and so I am quite familiar with this inbred ivory tower madness that takes place. A glaring welcoming toothy smile and big eye glasses don't impress me much."
I couldn't help noticing that fully a third of your wardrobe are Creeds, and you're not biased? I guess you like them. I don't, nor do I like bullies or BS, the odor of which I've smelled strongly in the vicinity of Creed since a sales rep thrust an armload of tacky gilt carded Creed samples at me (that embossed paper! those cameo portraits!) and I took them home and smelled each one in turn and was more underwhelmed by each one in turn. Maybe I just had a bad bunch: Millesime Imperial, Santal something-or-other, Green Irish Tweed. There are a lot of Creed perfumes I have no experience with, thankfully.
Take Chanel, of which six in their modest range garner 5 stars in The Guide. Many of the rest have four. Compare that to the Creeds, of which one in fifty perfumes they sell warrants four stars and not a single one has five. Many have one or two. Windsor is twice the price of the Chanel Exclusifs!
If I found them to be better than expected I would be the first to change my opinion, but of the many I've smelled since only one has appealed to me. Royal English Leather is actually a pretty good floral leather, though very similar to others, and considerably less refined. In Turinesque style I'll give it the two-word descriptor of "peach harness."
I'm not impressed by academic credentials. I'm not an academic. Professor Goggles is my cat's name. I don't think Turin is the voice of a perfume God, but his books have introduced me to some incredible perfumes that give me huge enjoyment which I would never have discovered otherwise. What I like most about Luca Turin is that he's extremely knowledgable in his field, without being snobbish or posh. It took him ages to find a journal who would publish his controversial theory of smell, which I would think gives you two something in common.
In his sideline as a perfume critic he casts a critical eye on an industry dominated by outright lies regarding luxury, natural materials, and authorship. His is an independent and refreshingly funny voice ringing out from a chorus of smooth-talking hyperbole. His and Tania's book illustrates that perfume or any criticism is political, working against the ideologies that make companies like Creed possible. So maybe he is a bit biased. I'm sorry if it bores you to sleep.
UPDATE August 30, 2011
I've decided I no longer wish to participate in this group. As much as I still think most Creed perfumes are overrated and all of them are over-priced, I feel uncomfortable being part of a community based on a shared dislike rather than a shared appreciation, interest, or curiosity. Each person has his own tastes and preferences. Creed perfumes are pleasing to many, and I no longer feel compelled to convince them otherwise. Perfumes are there to provide pleasure and enjoyment to those who wear and appreciate them, and I prefer to concentrate on celebrating the joys of perfume instead of raging against the perfume machine, to borrow a phrase from popular music. I am exercising my right to change my mind. I no longer believe in the importance of allegiance based on shared tastes in toiletries. Thank you. Please carry on as you were.
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