Kyara Incense

    Kyara Incense

    post #1 of 30
    Thread Starter 
    Hello Japan Incense Lovers. I am looking to invest in a box of box of Kyara incense to keep me company through the winter. I am new to the Kyara scene and am not looking to spend more than around $5 a stick. I have tried the follwing three blends of Kyara

    Baieido : Koh Shi Koko

    Shoyeido : Myo-ho Infinity

    Seijudo : Kyara Horen

    I loved the sting and crackliness of the Myo-ho Infinity. The smoke hits the top of my nose and rides my neurons like electricity and tickles my brain like a holy lightning short circuiting my thoughts..

    If you have any suggestions on a Kyara that might hit my fancy please let me know. If you think there is just a stick that is a muuustt try and available in smaller packs feel free to let me know as well.
    Thank you Kyarazen on the previous input on this from the oudh lovers group. I just did the research on the Seijudo kyara enju. That reads like a must experience at least once.

    Thank you in advance.
    post #2 of 30
    Minorien - Fu-In
    Aloeswood & Kyara :/)

    Yamadamatsu - Houjouh Kyara Firebird Pheonix Selects

    Seijudo - White Chrysanthemum

    Shoyeido - Ten-Pyo (trust me ;-))


    A couple of these my be higher in cost,if to high atleast give them a sample. They are all available at JapanIncense.com
    post #3 of 30
    Thread Starter 
    Thanks for the input Orgoglio italianO.

    They have the Kunmeido Tenpyo Kyara blend and the limited version Tolusen Kyara Tenpyo on the Japanincense website. Is one of those what you were referring to as the Shoyeido Ten-Pyo in the previous post?
    post #4 of 30
    Different!!!!!!!!!!!!

    shoyeido tenpyo is mainly agarwood.. and is clean sweet floaty agarwood notes..

    kunmeido kyara and tokusen, are heavy herbal mixes with good kyara.. in some ways.. its much bolder, denser..

    seijudo's shiragiku (white chrysanthemum) is rich sweet aloeswood.. very pure aloes
    post #5 of 30
    Thread Starter 
    Does anyone know where I can get the Yamadamatsu houjah kyara firebird pheonix select?
    post #6 of 30
    have you sampled it before?

    you can buy directly from yamadamatsu via paypal

    http://yamadamatsu.shop2.multilingua...en_jpy_17.html


    nice people to deal with, fast shipping
    post #7 of 30
    Thread Starter 
    Thanks for the link Kyarazen. I have not sampled it, but the incense has been suggested by two people. I am trying to maximize my Kyara burning experience on a limited budget. It was suggested that perhaps I should buy a gram of pure Kyara and go from there. If my best experience so far has been with the Myo-ho infinity, any suggestions on choosing either to maximize my experience to start out with?

    1. buying a gram of pure Kyara

    or

    2. putting together an order of sample packs such as:
    Mini Kyara Seiran
    Mini kyara Enju
    mini FU-IN Kyara Ryugen or Fu-In Kyara small box
    with the Yamadamatsu Kyara Firebird Pheonix
    post #8 of 30
    if i was in your shoes with that budget, i would definitely get a gram of pure kyara, as it will last me a year of conservative kodo style burning :P

    but on the other hand, if you have enough friends whom have bought kyara incense before, you could consider buying samplers from them..so that you can know the smell before committing to a full box. the yamada matsu gokuhin houjoukoh is quite pricey a box at 18,000 yen, quite a risk if you end up not liking it..
    post #9 of 30
    Edward t

    JapanIncense.com
    Has Yamadamatsu's

    They can't have link on their site for some reason.
    http://japanincense.com/yama.html
    post #10 of 30
    Kyara zen,

    I was just more or so thinking of Agarwood types that were easier on the wallet then shokaku for example and others he might like. Tenpyo I believe from the horin series (shoyeido) has a Kyara smell unless I'm mistaking for another horin but I'm pretty sure it smells of that electric sharp Kyara smell,I don't think it has Kyara in it but IMHO it has that vibe for way less money. Ill resniff incase I'm mistaking for circle,white cloud but I'm sure it's ten Pyo
    post #11 of 30
    Thread Starter 
    Thanks for the wealth of information Kyarazen and Orgoglio italianO. That is exactly what I am looking for, that electric sharp smell. I have a box of sho ran koh that I burn when I want to chill out and relax. If I burn an aloeswood incense I am not looking for an air freshener, I am looking for something to take me away for a short period of time. I am looking for a more serious Kyara to use on occasion when I want some more serious personal reflection time. I have a friend sending me some samples so I am going to patient and get as much info as I can instead of being impuslive and potentailly disapointed in my purchases.

    Is there a lot of difference (besides size of cut) between the Kyara chips of:
    AA Kowai
    SA Kowari
    AA Kakuwari
    SS Koruari

    or are they subtle differences that someone new to Kyara like me would be unlikely to pick up on?

    Orgolglio italianO or anyone else, if you do recall an electric scent stick (either agarwood or kyara) please do share.
    If that electric scent is soley a characteristic of the myo-ho infiniti I could always get a sampler pack until I get some some more feedback and input.

    Thank you all!
    post #12 of 30
    i wouldnt describe kyara as the sharp electric note.. i suppose that is because people had been calling some notes in oud oil as a "kyara" note or calling names in oils as "kyara" that lead to people mis-interpreting what "kyara" really is.. the electric sharp note can be found in aloeswood as its not exclusive to kyara.. :P

    for YM's kyara, apart from the cut size, the types that fall into these categories are sometimes "shin-kyara", and not the historical kyara. although "kyara" notes are still there, the scent profiles is different compared to the historical ones... thats another subject all together for another time.

    from your email correspondence and your needs, i recommend going for gyokushodo's aloeswood kaze-no-sho, mori-no-sho. en-no-sho is a lovely stick but it is not an entry level stick, both on the ingredients, and the imageries it sends out..

    if you want to enjoy kyara in its sliver form or small chips, the process is just as important as the fragrance, you may need 10-15 minutes to set up the burner, and perhaps only 3 -5 minutes of burning time.
    post #13 of 30
    let me duplicate my post from oud lover group to here so that it will be easier for information to be found..

    most kyara incenses can be divided into two to three categories,
    1) pure scent types - where the kyara is allowed to shine on its own, with a tad of musk or similar to carry it
    2) blended scent types - where the kyara is blended with some aloeswood, herbs etc, and occasionally if one is not familiar with the kyara notes, can get lost in the cacophony of smells..

    within the blended scent types, you can sub divide it down to traditional blends, and modern blends.


    for pure kyara smells, you can consider
    1) Gyokushodo en-no-sho (green oil kyara! yumz.. even the stick before burning smells.. delicious), contains musk.
    2) shoyeido shokaku (a bit too stoic, poised, it doesnt approach with power, just staying there in a dignified way..not my favourite)
    3) yamadamatsu pure kyara stick (no longer made)
    4) kunjudo tenpo kyara
    5) seijudo kyara seiran, kyara horen, kyara enju (all lovely kyara sticks with enju being green oil kyara, all containing musk, all my favourites too! ).

    for blended kyara
    1) nippon kodo kyara taikan - modern (its very clean an incense, but it softens and feminizes the "kyara"/"aloes" quite a bit, the aloeswood content tends to overpower any kyara note peeking through
    2) nippon kodo kyara kongo - modern (very perfumy.. powdery... the kyara note is muted)
    3) kunmeido tokusen kyara tenpyo - traditional (kyara notes carried with a deep bold blend of herbs.. it gives an atmosphere of cleansing and peace)
    4) kunmeido kyara tenpyo - traditional (using lower grade kyara and lesser kyara, but similar herb blend as above)
    5) baiedo koh-shiboku - traditional (a 9 herb kokonoe blend with kyara inside, but i seriously some how do not like the 9 herb blend.. so it killed my appetite for the kyara inside) there are a lot of people whom enjoy this incense though. the kyara notes do punctuate the air once in a while, but the herbs creating a "mist" so its not a clear distinction
    6) minorien kyara - vetiver oil and agarwood oil coated, low burning temperature, deep foresty, dark, damp notes carrying the kyara
    7) minorien kyara ryugen - similar to above, but has a higher kyara content, burns very much more cleanly (there is one grade higher than this but its only for domestic market)
    8) shoyeido myoho (traditional) - lovely blend of kyara and sweet aloeswood! i love this incense a lot too! when burning you get one whiff of kyara.. and one whiff of aloes.. one whiff of kyara.. one whiff of aloes..
    9) yamada-matsu's houjoukoh tokusen, gokuhin (traditional) - lovely mix! acquired taste, but it shows the mastery of the incense blender in this.. very well balanced, kyara notes supported lightly by floating herb and spice mixtures.. with a tinge of musk and borneol..


    i'm almost tempted to recommend shoyeido's horin tenpyo here, but there's no mention of it containing any kyara at all in japanese sources, only jinkoh/aloeswood.. so its out of this list..

    so far these are my own experiences with these incenses that i've burnt for myself.. and my humble recommendations.

    in terms of economical pricing.. i may suggest that if you like minorien's kyara, go with it as its one of the cheaper kyara sticks around.. everything that contains kyara.. and able to present a clear kyara note is expensive..
    post #14 of 30
    Thread Starter 
    Good point Kyrazen about that electric sharp note being found in aloeswood as well as kyara.

    That note is pretty common in the Indonesian woods I have burned. I love that note. It's kinda like a sharp stabbing jolt that twists its way into into a a confused short circuiting....this isn't sweet, if diamond dust had a smell and was able to ....whabam..zzz..zzz. What was I thinking about?... Did someone just stab something into my frontal lobe?

    I learned last night as well if I am looking for scents to enhance my meditations, I need to get sticks because it's too hard to focus when I am concentrating on picking up wood and dropping it on charcoal every few minutes. That's a completely different experience than what I am after (although awesome in it's own right).
    post #15 of 30
    yup.. because most kyara sticks are not pure kyara, they will add in top grade aloeswood to support the fragrance...

    there are many forms of meditation

    if you adhere yourself to the present moment, in an all-aware, all-conscious state, you will start to develop a more refine, extra-sensory perception of things. then in incense sticks you will start deconvoluting and discovering how the notes intertwine.. this is a form of "meditation".

    if in meditation, one is looking for single point samadhi, focus, i.e. incense provides a practice support through one's awareness and focus on the breath and the smell that comes in through the nose.. :P

    in terms of what you are looking for in your meditative practice, i would suggest just getting a box of mori-no-sho from gyokushodo.. japanincense dot com has it.. (dang kotaro and jay should give me commission for advertising!).. that box of 80-90 sticks for about $50++ is reasonably good aloeswood, very clean burning, the charcoal powder that moderates the burning temperature and reducing smoke, reducing binder notes, so you get very clear scent..
    post #16 of 30
    Thread Starter 
    Awesome input Kyarazen. Thanks for the meditation tips as well. Perhaps I should get off my chair and make a transition to the floor! I remember seeing a video of monks doing Tummo meditation wrapped in wet blankets in a cold room. The blankets actually started steaming! It was incredible and inspiring. They were hooked up to a bunch of electrodes with university scientists taking readings of their brain waves. I hope and pray that I achieve such focus one day.

    11/14/12 at 8:30pm

    edward t said:



    Hello Japan Incense Lovers. I am looking to invest in a box of box of Kyara incense to keep me company through the winter. I am new to the Kyara scene and am not looking to spend more than around $5 a stick. I have tried the follwing three blends of Kyara

    Baieido : Koh Shi Koko

    Shoyeido : Myo-ho Infinity

    Seijudo : Kyara Horen

    I loved the sting and crackliness of the Myo-ho Infinity. The smoke hits the top of my nose and rides my neurons like electricity and tickles my brain like a holy lightning short circuiting my thoughts..

    If you have any suggestions on a Kyara that might hit my fancy please let me know. If you think there is just a stick that is a muuustt try and available in smaller packs feel free to let me know as well.
    Thank you Kyarazen on the previous input on this from the oudh lovers group. I just did the research on the Seijudo kyara enju. That reads like a must experience at least once.

    Thank you in advance.

    11/15/12 at 8:40am

    Orgoglio italianO said:



    Minorien - Fu-In
    Aloeswood & Kyara :/)

    Yamadamatsu - Houjouh Kyara Firebird Pheonix Selects

    Seijudo - White Chrysanthemum

    Shoyeido - Ten-Pyo (trust me ;-))


    A couple of these my be higher in cost,if to high atleast give them a sample. They are all available at JapanIncense.com

    11/15/12 at 5:05pm

    edward t said:



    Thanks for the input Orgoglio italianO.

    They have the Kunmeido Tenpyo Kyara blend and the limited version Tolusen Kyara Tenpyo on the Japanincense website. Is one of those what you were referring to as the Shoyeido Ten-Pyo in the previous post?

    11/15/12 at 9:48pm

    kyarazen said:



    Different!!!!!!!!!!!!

    shoyeido tenpyo is mainly agarwood.. and is clean sweet floaty agarwood notes..

    kunmeido kyara and tokusen, are heavy herbal mixes with good kyara.. in some ways.. its much bolder, denser..

    seijudo's shiragiku (white chrysanthemum) is rich sweet aloeswood.. very pure aloes

    11/17/12 at 5:38am

    edward t said:



    Does anyone know where I can get the Yamadamatsu houjah kyara firebird pheonix select?

    11/17/12 at 8:29am

    kyarazen said:



    have you sampled it before?

    you can buy directly from yamadamatsu via paypal

    http://yamadamatsu.shop2.multilingua...en_jpy_17.html


    nice people to deal with, fast shipping

    11/17/12 at 9:29am

    edward t said:



    Thanks for the link Kyarazen. I have not sampled it, but the incense has been suggested by two people. I am trying to maximize my Kyara burning experience on a limited budget. It was suggested that perhaps I should buy a gram of pure Kyara and go from there. If my best experience so far has been with the Myo-ho infinity, any suggestions on choosing either to maximize my experience to start out with?

    1. buying a gram of pure Kyara

    or

    2. putting together an order of sample packs such as:
    Mini Kyara Seiran
    Mini kyara Enju
    mini FU-IN Kyara Ryugen or Fu-In Kyara small box
    with the Yamadamatsu Kyara Firebird Pheonix

    11/17/12 at 9:53am

    kyarazen said:



    if i was in your shoes with that budget, i would definitely get a gram of pure kyara, as it will last me a year of conservative kodo style burning :P

    but on the other hand, if you have enough friends whom have bought kyara incense before, you could consider buying samplers from them..so that you can know the smell before committing to a full box. the yamada matsu gokuhin houjoukoh is quite pricey a box at 18,000 yen, quite a risk if you end up not liking it..

    11/18/12 at 1:33pm

    Orgoglio italianO said:



    Edward t

    JapanIncense.com
    Has Yamadamatsu's

    They can't have link on their site for some reason.
    http://japanincense.com/yama.html

    11/18/12 at 1:37pm

    Orgoglio italianO said:



    Kyara zen,

    I was just more or so thinking of Agarwood types that were easier on the wallet then shokaku for example and others he might like. Tenpyo I believe from the horin series (shoyeido) has a Kyara smell unless I'm mistaking for another horin but I'm pretty sure it smells of that electric sharp Kyara smell,I don't think it has Kyara in it but IMHO it has that vibe for way less money. Ill resniff incase I'm mistaking for circle,white cloud but I'm sure it's ten Pyo

    11/19/12 at 8:45am

    edward t said:



    Thanks for the wealth of information Kyarazen and Orgoglio italianO. That is exactly what I am looking for, that electric sharp smell. I have a box of sho ran koh that I burn when I want to chill out and relax. If I burn an aloeswood incense I am not looking for an air freshener, I am looking for something to take me away for a short period of time. I am looking for a more serious Kyara to use on occasion when I want some more serious personal reflection time. I have a friend sending me some samples so I am going to patient and get as much info as I can instead of being impuslive and potentailly disapointed in my purchases.

    Is there a lot of difference (besides size of cut) between the Kyara chips of:
    AA Kowai
    SA Kowari
    AA Kakuwari
    SS Koruari

    or are they subtle differences that someone new to Kyara like me would be unlikely to pick up on?

    Orgolglio italianO or anyone else, if you do recall an electric scent stick (either agarwood or kyara) please do share.
    If that electric scent is soley a characteristic of the myo-ho infiniti I could always get a sampler pack until I get some some more feedback and input.

    Thank you all!

    11/19/12 at 6:14pm

    kyarazen said:



    i wouldnt describe kyara as the sharp electric note.. i suppose that is because people had been calling some notes in oud oil as a "kyara" note or calling names in oils as "kyara" that lead to people mis-interpreting what "kyara" really is.. the electric sharp note can be found in aloeswood as its not exclusive to kyara.. :P

    for YM's kyara, apart from the cut size, the types that fall into these categories are sometimes "shin-kyara", and not the historical kyara. although "kyara" notes are still there, the scent profiles is different compared to the historical ones... thats another subject all together for another time.

    from your email correspondence and your needs, i recommend going for gyokushodo's aloeswood kaze-no-sho, mori-no-sho. en-no-sho is a lovely stick but it is not an entry level stick, both on the ingredients, and the imageries it sends out..

    if you want to enjoy kyara in its sliver form or small chips, the process is just as important as the fragrance, you may need 10-15 minutes to set up the burner, and perhaps only 3 -5 minutes of burning time.

    11/19/12 at 7:23pm

    kyarazen said:



    let me duplicate my post from oud lover group to here so that it will be easier for information to be found..

    most kyara incenses can be divided into two to three categories,
    1) pure scent types - where the kyara is allowed to shine on its own, with a tad of musk or similar to carry it
    2) blended scent types - where the kyara is blended with some aloeswood, herbs etc, and occasionally if one is not familiar with the kyara notes, can get lost in the cacophony of smells..

    within the blended scent types, you can sub divide it down to traditional blends, and modern blends.


    for pure kyara smells, you can consider
    1) Gyokushodo en-no-sho (green oil kyara! yumz.. even the stick before burning smells.. delicious), contains musk.
    2) shoyeido shokaku (a bit too stoic, poised, it doesnt approach with power, just staying there in a dignified way..not my favourite)
    3) yamadamatsu pure kyara stick (no longer made)
    4) kunjudo tenpo kyara
    5) seijudo kyara seiran, kyara horen, kyara enju (all lovely kyara sticks with enju being green oil kyara, all containing musk, all my favourites too! ).

    for blended kyara
    1) nippon kodo kyara taikan - modern (its very clean an incense, but it softens and feminizes the "kyara"/"aloes" quite a bit, the aloeswood content tends to overpower any kyara note peeking through
    2) nippon kodo kyara kongo - modern (very perfumy.. powdery... the kyara note is muted)
    3) kunmeido tokusen kyara tenpyo - traditional (kyara notes carried with a deep bold blend of herbs.. it gives an atmosphere of cleansing and peace)
    4) kunmeido kyara tenpyo - traditional (using lower grade kyara and lesser kyara, but similar herb blend as above)
    5) baiedo koh-shiboku - traditional (a 9 herb kokonoe blend with kyara inside, but i seriously some how do not like the 9 herb blend.. so it killed my appetite for the kyara inside) there are a lot of people whom enjoy this incense though. the kyara notes do punctuate the air once in a while, but the herbs creating a "mist" so its not a clear distinction
    6) minorien kyara - vetiver oil and agarwood oil coated, low burning temperature, deep foresty, dark, damp notes carrying the kyara
    7) minorien kyara ryugen - similar to above, but has a higher kyara content, burns very much more cleanly (there is one grade higher than this but its only for domestic market)
    8) shoyeido myoho (traditional) - lovely blend of kyara and sweet aloeswood! i love this incense a lot too! when burning you get one whiff of kyara.. and one whiff of aloes.. one whiff of kyara.. one whiff of aloes..
    9) yamada-matsu's houjoukoh tokusen, gokuhin (traditional) - lovely mix! acquired taste, but it shows the mastery of the incense blender in this.. very well balanced, kyara notes supported lightly by floating herb and spice mixtures.. with a tinge of musk and borneol..


    i'm almost tempted to recommend shoyeido's horin tenpyo here, but there's no mention of it containing any kyara at all in japanese sources, only jinkoh/aloeswood.. so its out of this list..

    so far these are my own experiences with these incenses that i've burnt for myself.. and my humble recommendations.

    in terms of economical pricing.. i may suggest that if you like minorien's kyara, go with it as its one of the cheaper kyara sticks around.. everything that contains kyara.. and able to present a clear kyara note is expensive..

    11/19/12 at 7:31pm

    edward t said:



    Good point Kyrazen about that electric sharp note being found in aloeswood as well as kyara.

    That note is pretty common in the Indonesian woods I have burned. I love that note. It's kinda like a sharp stabbing jolt that twists its way into into a a confused short circuiting....this isn't sweet, if diamond dust had a smell and was able to ....whabam..zzz..zzz. What was I thinking about?... Did someone just stab something into my frontal lobe?

    I learned last night as well if I am looking for scents to enhance my meditations, I need to get sticks because it's too hard to focus when I am concentrating on picking up wood and dropping it on charcoal every few minutes. That's a completely different experience than what I am after (although awesome in it's own right).

    11/19/12 at 8:04pm

    kyarazen said:



    yup.. because most kyara sticks are not pure kyara, they will add in top grade aloeswood to support the fragrance...

    there are many forms of meditation

    if you adhere yourself to the present moment, in an all-aware, all-conscious state, you will start to develop a more refine, extra-sensory perception of things. then in incense sticks you will start deconvoluting and discovering how the notes intertwine.. this is a form of "meditation".

    if in meditation, one is looking for single point samadhi, focus, i.e. incense provides a practice support through one's awareness and focus on the breath and the smell that comes in through the nose.. :P

    in terms of what you are looking for in your meditative practice, i would suggest just getting a box of mori-no-sho from gyokushodo.. japanincense dot com has it.. (dang kotaro and jay should give me commission for advertising!).. that box of 80-90 sticks for about $50++ is reasonably good aloeswood, very clean burning, the charcoal powder that moderates the burning temperature and reducing smoke, reducing binder notes, so you get very clear scent..

    11/19/12 at 8:41pm

    edward t said:



    Awesome input Kyarazen. Thanks for the meditation tips as well. Perhaps I should get off my chair and make a transition to the floor! I remember seeing a video of monks doing Tummo meditation wrapped in wet blankets in a cold room. The blankets actually started steaming! It was incredible and inspiring. They were hooked up to a bunch of electrodes with university scientists taking readings of their brain waves. I hope and pray that I achieve such focus one day.