Red fruits accord.

    Red fruits accord.

    post #1 of 12
    Thread Starter 

    Hello guys and girls (are there any girls in here BTW?),

     

    I am experimenting with a red fruits accord and awaiting your ideas. Red fruits is my favourite fruity smell nuance and occasionally it works beautifully in a mix. I know the PA site has the formula of the one it sells. I have never smelled it.

    David thanks for your suggestion about the C10 and ethyl butyrate, it really works lovely with limonene for that orange impression.

     

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    post #2 of 12

    Rasberry Ketone, Geranyl Propionate, Methyl Ionone, Dimethyl Sulphide, and para menth-8-thione; with a touch of vanillin and some Butyric Acid.  

    post #3 of 12
    Thread Starter 
    Great! Unfortunately I don't have many of those aromachemicals. More suggestions are welcome. Maybe something clever with the basics? Thank you David.
    post #4 of 12

    Cassie(Acacia farnesiana) abs, Lavender Seville abs, Aglaia abs - there is some facets of the "red fruits" imo

    post #5 of 12

    Benzyl Acetate, Linalol, Phenyl Ethyl Alcohol, Ethyl Butyrate; all pretty basic, but it won't be as good.   To have anything fruity you need a touch of decay ( a slight rottenness ) which comes from sulphur containing chemicals, or Butyric or Valeric acids.   Bourgeons de Cassie, or Bucchu both smell of Blackcurrent.   Aldehyde C16 (Strawberry ) with some Maltol.   A touch of Pepper oil.   I'm typing as I think here.

    post #6 of 12

    And by the way, if you are serious about wanting a Red Fruits accord you really should get the materials that enable you to make it.

    post #7 of 12
    Thread Starter 

    Ok, David! I am looking for something simple (I don't believe in complex accords) and all the suggestions here are highly appreciated. Once I get hold of these materials I'll experiment further.
    Your opinion "To have anything fruity you need a touch of decay ( a slight rottenness ) which comes from sulphur containing chemicals, or Butyric or Valeric acids." is as valuable as the list of the chemicals itself. This is the kind of information we need either as knowledge or as confirmation of our suspicions.

     

    Now, an accord I made two days ago as a first sketch. It really smells good, fruity and red.
    Let me know what you think and develop further. Jsparla, are you there? :-)


    15  C16 5%
    4    Dihydro ionone beta 10%

    8    Isoraldeine 10%

    1    Anisaldehyde 10%
    7    Peonile 10%

    2    Gamma decalactone 5%

    2    Benzyl acetate 10%

    1    Methyl ionone 10%
    1    Vanillin 1%

     

    Now, that's pretty complex for my style but as I said a very first idea.

    post #8 of 12

    My suggestions are usually simple.   I do not believe in giving finished formulae, and will only mention those materials that I consider important for the particular effect required.   Your base looks fine to me, but would be improved by the use of those materials that I mentioned before.   If you can I really would recommend you getting some Raspberry Ketone, and some DMS(in solution, it is a stinker) or some para-menth-8-thiol (likewise, another stinker).

    post #9 of 12
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post   If you can I really would recommend you getting some Raspberry Ketone, and some DMS(in solution, it is a stinker) or some para-menth-8-thiol (likewise, another stinker).

    Affirmative!

    BTW, the accord I gave above smells really nice after a few more days. Very perfumery-like. It reminds me of grenadine.

    post #10 of 12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ION View Post

    Affirmative!

    BTW, the accord I gave above smells really nice after a few more days. Very perfumery-like. It reminds me of grenadine.

    I'm glad to hear it.

    post #11 of 12

    Haha yes there are a few girls! ^_^ And I greatly enjoyed reading this thread, gave me a fee extra ACS too add to the wishlist haha!

    post #12 of 12

    For fruity, berry type accords I like ethyl butyrate, as David has already suggested, but I think ethyl methyl 2 butyrate and isopropyl methyl 2 butyrate are very useful for the bright, sharp part of the scent.  You might also consider Ionone beta as an alternative or addition to dihydro ionone beta: I think it's fruitier and less woody.

     

    A good cheat is to use some Cassis Base - that way you get the benefit of some of those more difficult sulphur and other trace chemicals without having to keep them in stock.

     

    I agree raspberry ketone is worth getting: smells like raspberry jam.  Though personally I'm hyperosmic to it and can't smell it at all until it's in such high dilution that most people can barely detect it, which makes blending with it a bit more challenging.  Consider strawberry furanone too, for that sort of effect.

     

    Depending on the direction you want to go Nectarate or Fructalate can also be handy and although both are quite new to the market, neither is especially expensive.

     

    Fruity notes are highly sought after at the moment, so well worth exploring: good topic!

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    6/1/13 at 11:02am

    ION said:



    Hello guys and girls (are there any girls in here BTW?),

     

    I am experimenting with a red fruits accord and awaiting your ideas. Red fruits is my favourite fruity smell nuance and occasionally it works beautifully in a mix. I know the PA site has the formula of the one it sells. I have never smelled it.

    David thanks for your suggestion about the C10 and ethyl butyrate, it really works lovely with limonene for that orange impression.

     

    ION
    ionportraits.gr
    facebook.com/ion.portraits

     

    6/1/13 at 12:02pm

    David Ruskin said:



    Rasberry Ketone, Geranyl Propionate, Methyl Ionone, Dimethyl Sulphide, and para menth-8-thione; with a touch of vanillin and some Butyric Acid.  

    6/1/13 at 12:24pm

    ION said:



    Great! Unfortunately I don't have many of those aromachemicals. More suggestions are welcome. Maybe something clever with the basics? Thank you David.

    6/2/13 at 12:25am

    Masha said:



    Cassie(Acacia farnesiana) abs, Lavender Seville abs, Aglaia abs - there is some facets of the "red fruits" imo

    6/2/13 at 1:52am

    David Ruskin said:



    Benzyl Acetate, Linalol, Phenyl Ethyl Alcohol, Ethyl Butyrate; all pretty basic, but it won't be as good.   To have anything fruity you need a touch of decay ( a slight rottenness ) which comes from sulphur containing chemicals, or Butyric or Valeric acids.   Bourgeons de Cassie, or Bucchu both smell of Blackcurrent.   Aldehyde C16 (Strawberry ) with some Maltol.   A touch of Pepper oil.   I'm typing as I think here.

    6/2/13 at 2:12am

    David Ruskin said:



    And by the way, if you are serious about wanting a Red Fruits accord you really should get the materials that enable you to make it.

    6/3/13 at 6:57am

    ION said:



    Ok, David! I am looking for something simple (I don't believe in complex accords) and all the suggestions here are highly appreciated. Once I get hold of these materials I'll experiment further.
    Your opinion "To have anything fruity you need a touch of decay ( a slight rottenness ) which comes from sulphur containing chemicals, or Butyric or Valeric acids." is as valuable as the list of the chemicals itself. This is the kind of information we need either as knowledge or as confirmation of our suspicions.

     

    Now, an accord I made two days ago as a first sketch. It really smells good, fruity and red.
    Let me know what you think and develop further. Jsparla, are you there? :-)


    15  C16 5%
    4    Dihydro ionone beta 10%

    8    Isoraldeine 10%

    1    Anisaldehyde 10%
    7    Peonile 10%

    2    Gamma decalactone 5%

    2    Benzyl acetate 10%

    1    Methyl ionone 10%
    1    Vanillin 1%

     

    Now, that's pretty complex for my style but as I said a very first idea.

    6/3/13 at 9:10am

    David Ruskin said:



    My suggestions are usually simple.   I do not believe in giving finished formulae, and will only mention those materials that I consider important for the particular effect required.   Your base looks fine to me, but would be improved by the use of those materials that I mentioned before.   If you can I really would recommend you getting some Raspberry Ketone, and some DMS(in solution, it is a stinker) or some para-menth-8-thiol (likewise, another stinker).

    6/6/13 at 3:00pm

    ION said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post   If you can I really would recommend you getting some Raspberry Ketone, and some DMS(in solution, it is a stinker) or some para-menth-8-thiol (likewise, another stinker).

    Affirmative!

    BTW, the accord I gave above smells really nice after a few more days. Very perfumery-like. It reminds me of grenadine.

    6/7/13 at 1:46am

    David Ruskin said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ION View Post

    Affirmative!

    BTW, the accord I gave above smells really nice after a few more days. Very perfumery-like. It reminds me of grenadine.

    I'm glad to hear it.

    6/19/13 at 3:51am

    CherryBud said:



    Haha yes there are a few girls! ^_^ And I greatly enjoyed reading this thread, gave me a fee extra ACS too add to the wishlist haha!

    6/19/13 at 4:00pm

    Chris Bartlett said:



    For fruity, berry type accords I like ethyl butyrate, as David has already suggested, but I think ethyl methyl 2 butyrate and isopropyl methyl 2 butyrate are very useful for the bright, sharp part of the scent.  You might also consider Ionone beta as an alternative or addition to dihydro ionone beta: I think it's fruitier and less woody.

     

    A good cheat is to use some Cassis Base - that way you get the benefit of some of those more difficult sulphur and other trace chemicals without having to keep them in stock.

     

    I agree raspberry ketone is worth getting: smells like raspberry jam.  Though personally I'm hyperosmic to it and can't smell it at all until it's in such high dilution that most people can barely detect it, which makes blending with it a bit more challenging.  Consider strawberry furanone too, for that sort of effect.

     

    Depending on the direction you want to go Nectarate or Fructalate can also be handy and although both are quite new to the market, neither is especially expensive.

     

    Fruity notes are highly sought after at the moment, so well worth exploring: good topic!