tuberose alternative/synthetic?

    tuberose alternative/synthetic?

    post #1 of 10
    Thread Starter 

    Does anyone have an accessible source for a tuberose synthetic that is relatively close to the real thing? Does such a synthetic or accord exist anywhere?

     

    Or is it better to just save up for a good absolute?

     

    I have never had the opportunity to smell tuberose (either absolute or actual flower) and won't likely soon, but I really would like to add it to my collection and would be ok with a reasonable synthetic alternative until I have a bit more spare cash to afford an absolute. I know a lot of commercial fragrances use synthetics for it but I can't seem to find any good information about it online.

     

    Thanks in advance for your help. I apologize if I missed an earlier thread about this, but I ran a search and couldn't find anything.

    post #2 of 10

    What Country are you in?

     

    This would be called a Tuberose "Base".  It would essentially be a sophisticated fragrance oil.

     

    You can make your own according to published formulas, or buy some.

     

    Probably a good mix of being the most reasonably priced versus closer to the flower is at TGSC:

    FR102715   tuberose  *
    msds 25 grams
    $9.59
    100 grams
    $18.06

     

    Found Here: http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/pricoffr.html

     

    The prices only go up from there.  The more you pay, the better they smell.  

     

    There's a Firmenich $450/kilo base in Carnal Flower, and I have samples of an AURAM $800/kilo base, and a Firmenich $1500/kilo base.  They get progressively better and faithful to the flower.

     

    Then there is the Absolute at it's sky high cost, then there's a Phyto Extraction base that is almost twice the price of an Absolute.

     

    For Tuberose, it's about what price you want to pay...

    post #3 of 10
    Thread Starter 

    Thanks Paul, that was the exact type of information I was looking for and couldn't find.

     

    I appreciate the response!

    post #4 of 10

    What is the name of the Firmenich aromachemical?

    post #5 of 10
    Has anyone tried their tuberose base? There's so much I'd love to try from them, but I don't think they ship outside the US.

    I tried their Leather base years ago, and it was eye-meltingly powerful. It smelled sort of like a slightly more concentrated (!) version of Duro by Nasomatto.
    post #6 of 10

    I haven't tried that base from the GDSC, and I wouldn't like to use a base that I don't know its constituents . 

     

    Does anyone knows the tuberose aromachemikals of Firmenich and Auram that Pkiller has mentioned?

    post #7 of 10

    The current/older cheaper $400 Kg tuberose base is 

    Tubereuse 41285 SAF Firmenich

    The reformulation of this base is labelled like this on my bottle from Vigon:

    Tuberose 95712  Firmenich

     

    The very expensive one is:

    Tuberose 95711 Firmenich

     

    I can smell 41286 in Carnal Flower, mostly because I know it best, it's possible that other nice tuberose bases are in Carnal flower, but I haven't taken the time to ID them yet.

     

    I think that only few others would know the Auram products, they are harder to obtain in small qty's.

    post #8 of 10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nicok View Post
     

    I haven't tried that base from the GDSC, and I wouldn't like to use a base that I don't know its constituents . 

    Was that TGSC, instead of GDSC?

     

    Well if you feel that way, you'll have to get each base tested to find out what's in it, because no one will tell you the complete contents of their bases.

    post #9 of 10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by edshepp View Post

    Has anyone tried their tuberose base? There's so much I'd love to try from them, but I don't think they ship outside the US.

    I tried their Leather base years ago, and it was eye-meltingly powerful. It smelled sort of like a slightly more concentrated (!) version of Duro by Nasomatto.

     

    Ed, Is this TGSC that you are referring to?

     

    If so, you're right, TGSC doesn't ship otuside USA.

    You can always have it shipped to me and I can repack and ship when you're buying some materials from my supplies available.

    But for any other progression to this conversation, please message me through my website.

    post #10 of 10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
     

    Was that TGSC, instead of GDSC?

     

    Well if you feel that way, you'll have to get each base tested to find out what's in it, because no one will tell you the complete contents of their bases.

     

    You are right, and in fact I am using bases but products such as Auranone, that I know they will always be there. 

    I don't know what type of company is TGSC. Their base maybe awesome, but I wouldn't like to experiment in a composition with their tuberose, make something I like and one fine day find out that  they don't sell it anymore. 

     

    As regards to the synthetic tuberoses of Firmenich I had no success searching them with the codes you have. I only found a material called Cyclopidene (formely tuberose acetate) and I can't get it in Europe. If you can sell me some smaller quantities of any of these, just let me know. i'd be really thankful. 

    class="

    6/12/13 at 8:37am

    ksennish said:



    Does anyone have an accessible source for a tuberose synthetic that is relatively close to the real thing? Does such a synthetic or accord exist anywhere?

     

    Or is it better to just save up for a good absolute?

     

    I have never had the opportunity to smell tuberose (either absolute or actual flower) and won't likely soon, but I really would like to add it to my collection and would be ok with a reasonable synthetic alternative until I have a bit more spare cash to afford an absolute. I know a lot of commercial fragrances use synthetics for it but I can't seem to find any good information about it online.

     

    Thanks in advance for your help. I apologize if I missed an earlier thread about this, but I ran a search and couldn't find anything.

    6/12/13 at 9:03am

    pkiler said:



    What Country are you in?

     

    This would be called a Tuberose "Base".  It would essentially be a sophisticated fragrance oil.

     

    You can make your own according to published formulas, or buy some.

     

    Probably a good mix of being the most reasonably priced versus closer to the flower is at TGSC:

    FR102715   tuberose  *
    msds 25 grams
    $9.59
    100 grams
    $18.06

     

    Found Here: http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/pricoffr.html

     

    The prices only go up from there.  The more you pay, the better they smell.  

     

    There's a Firmenich $450/kilo base in Carnal Flower, and I have samples of an AURAM $800/kilo base, and a Firmenich $1500/kilo base.  They get progressively better and faithful to the flower.

     

    Then there is the Absolute at it's sky high cost, then there's a Phyto Extraction base that is almost twice the price of an Absolute.

     

    For Tuberose, it's about what price you want to pay...

    6/12/13 at 9:19am

    ksennish said:



    Thanks Paul, that was the exact type of information I was looking for and couldn't find.

     

    I appreciate the response!

    9/13/13 at 4:21am

    nicok said:



    What is the name of the Firmenich aromachemical?

    9/13/13 at 6:05am

    edshepp said:



    Has anyone tried their tuberose base? There's so much I'd love to try from them, but I don't think they ship outside the US.

    I tried their Leather base years ago, and it was eye-meltingly powerful. It smelled sort of like a slightly more concentrated (!) version of Duro by Nasomatto.

    9/13/13 at 6:26am

    nicok said:



    I haven't tried that base from the GDSC, and I wouldn't like to use a base that I don't know its constituents . 

     

    Does anyone knows the tuberose aromachemikals of Firmenich and Auram that Pkiller has mentioned?

    9/13/13 at 8:08am

    pkiler said:



    The current/older cheaper $400 Kg tuberose base is 

    Tubereuse 41285 SAF Firmenich

    The reformulation of this base is labelled like this on my bottle from Vigon:

    Tuberose 95712  Firmenich

     

    The very expensive one is:

    Tuberose 95711 Firmenich

     

    I can smell 41286 in Carnal Flower, mostly because I know it best, it's possible that other nice tuberose bases are in Carnal flower, but I haven't taken the time to ID them yet.

     

    I think that only few others would know the Auram products, they are harder to obtain in small qty's.

    9/13/13 at 8:11am

    pkiler said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nicok View Post
     

    I haven't tried that base from the GDSC, and I wouldn't like to use a base that I don't know its constituents . 

    Was that TGSC, instead of GDSC?

     

    Well if you feel that way, you'll have to get each base tested to find out what's in it, because no one will tell you the complete contents of their bases.

    9/13/13 at 8:14am

    pkiler said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by edshepp View Post

    Has anyone tried their tuberose base? There's so much I'd love to try from them, but I don't think they ship outside the US.

    I tried their Leather base years ago, and it was eye-meltingly powerful. It smelled sort of like a slightly more concentrated (!) version of Duro by Nasomatto.

     

    Ed, Is this TGSC that you are referring to?

     

    If so, you're right, TGSC doesn't ship otuside USA.

    You can always have it shipped to me and I can repack and ship when you're buying some materials from my supplies available.

    But for any other progression to this conversation, please message me through my website.

    9/16/13 at 12:46am

    nicok said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
     

    Was that TGSC, instead of GDSC?

     

    Well if you feel that way, you'll have to get each base tested to find out what's in it, because no one will tell you the complete contents of their bases.

     

    You are right, and in fact I am using bases but products such as Auranone, that I know they will always be there. 

    I don't know what type of company is TGSC. Their base maybe awesome, but I wouldn't like to experiment in a composition with their tuberose, make something I like and one fine day find out that  they don't sell it anymore. 

     

    As regards to the synthetic tuberoses of Firmenich I had no success searching them with the codes you have. I only found a material called Cyclopidene (formely tuberose acetate) and I can't get it in Europe. If you can sell me some smaller quantities of any of these, just let me know. i'd be really thankful.