Completely new . some extremely basic questions.

    Completely new . some extremely basic questions.

    post #1 of 6
    Thread Starter 

    Hello everyone.

    I've came to realize i can create my own fragrances only today, about 5 hours ago.

    As a chemist student, from what i understood (please, correct me if wrong)

    a parfume, from classes of EDP and EDT is mainly composed out of:

    *Mix of some sorts of essences

    *Ethanol

    *a bit "fresh" water.

    *an emulsifier.

    = = = = until here what i know = = = =

    please further explain me, if you can:

    1) why is the water important ?

    2) what is the "risk" im taking by not puttingemulsifiers ?

    3) what are the recomendedemulsifiers to use ?

    4) and least for now, please, if you can link or share, what are the recomended ratio/proportions for normal home made EDP's .

    i know that there's not "absoulte answer" but i will be really thankfull for your answers from experince, as to what a "new guy" will want to try...

    Thank you in advance...

    Asaf

    post #2 of 6

    Suggest read DIY section stickies on 'How to Make Perfume' to start with :)

    post #3 of 6

    Hi Asaf,

    Welcome to Basenotes. I am rather new to DIY perfumery as well, I suggest you visit the DIY section as well.

    Personally, I've been mixing essential oils, everclear and glycerin. You'll need perfumer's alcohol or something very high proof.

    post #4 of 6

    Yes,sorry - Hi Asaf - and enjoy yourself.

    post #5 of 6
    Thread Starter 

    i looked there, but on thesticky area i saw only a "primer" thread..without the actualy DIY.

    actually, my answers are not really answered by the thread there

    if anyone of you, would be so kind to answer...

    post #6 of 6

    The easiest answer which avoids the entire use of emulsifiers, is, Don't Use Water.

    With a lot of water, and because oil and water don't mix, you need to add something that makes them not cloud the juice.

    Simply use a High Proof Ethyl Alcohol. Commonly, Perfumer's Alcohol comes as 170, 180, and 190 proof alcohol, and denatured with something. The 170 proof would be 15% water, but I've never used that low a level of alcohol.I pretty much stick with the 190 proof. The virtue of using lower proof alcohol, plus water is that the alcohol odor is reduced, also the cost of the alcohol is reduced by using water instead. It's more a high production manufacturing thing, than for onesy-twosies home based making.

    So, making it for yourself, use High grade High proof perfumers alcohol, forget the water and the emulsifiers. At 190 proof, I've never run into a clouding issue with too much water not mixing with the oils...

    I don't recommend the use of Glycerin. This seems to come from ill informed Internet hacks who tell the world how to make perfumes on youtube, and tell people to use Glycerin - COMPLETELY WRONG!

    Often, I will mix 15% - 20% perfume materials concentrate to 85% - 80% 190 proof denatured alcohol, Perfumer's Blend 39C for my work.

    Anymore questions should be posted to the DIY forum, this is the wrong place for this question...

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    6/13/13 at 3:07pm

    Varlix said:



    Hello everyone.

    I've came to realize i can create my own fragrances only today, about 5 hours ago.

    As a chemist student, from what i understood (please, correct me if wrong)

    a parfume, from classes of EDP and EDT is mainly composed out of:

    *Mix of some sorts of essences

    *Ethanol

    *a bit "fresh" water.

    *an emulsifier.

    = = = = until here what i know = = = =

    please further explain me, if you can:

    1) why is the water important ?

    2) what is the "risk" im taking by not puttingemulsifiers ?

    3) what are the recomendedemulsifiers to use ?

    4) and least for now, please, if you can link or share, what are the recomended ratio/proportions for normal home made EDP's .

    i know that there's not "absoulte answer" but i will be really thankfull for your answers from experince, as to what a "new guy" will want to try...

    Thank you in advance...

    Asaf

    6/13/13 at 3:15pm

    lpp said:



    Suggest read DIY section stickies on 'How to Make Perfume' to start with :)

    6/13/13 at 6:33pm

    rynegne said:



    Hi Asaf,

    Welcome to Basenotes. I am rather new to DIY perfumery as well, I suggest you visit the DIY section as well.

    Personally, I've been mixing essential oils, everclear and glycerin. You'll need perfumer's alcohol or something very high proof.

    6/14/13 at 12:19am

    lpp said:



    Yes,sorry - Hi Asaf - and enjoy yourself.

    6/14/13 at 8:53am

    Varlix said:



    i looked there, but on thesticky area i saw only a "primer" thread..without the actualy DIY.

    actually, my answers are not really answered by the thread there

    if anyone of you, would be so kind to answer...

    6/14/13 at 9:52am

    pkiler said:



    The easiest answer which avoids the entire use of emulsifiers, is, Don't Use Water.

    With a lot of water, and because oil and water don't mix, you need to add something that makes them not cloud the juice.

    Simply use a High Proof Ethyl Alcohol. Commonly, Perfumer's Alcohol comes as 170, 180, and 190 proof alcohol, and denatured with something. The 170 proof would be 15% water, but I've never used that low a level of alcohol.I pretty much stick with the 190 proof. The virtue of using lower proof alcohol, plus water is that the alcohol odor is reduced, also the cost of the alcohol is reduced by using water instead. It's more a high production manufacturing thing, than for onesy-twosies home based making.

    So, making it for yourself, use High grade High proof perfumers alcohol, forget the water and the emulsifiers. At 190 proof, I've never run into a clouding issue with too much water not mixing with the oils...

    I don't recommend the use of Glycerin. This seems to come from ill informed Internet hacks who tell the world how to make perfumes on youtube, and tell people to use Glycerin - COMPLETELY WRONG!

    Often, I will mix 15% - 20% perfume materials concentrate to 85% - 80% 190 proof denatured alcohol, Perfumer's Blend 39C for my work.

    Anymore questions should be posted to the DIY forum, this is the wrong place for this question...





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