Why would Nemat International weaken a scent like it's Amber?

    Why would Nemat International weaken a scent like it's Amber?

    post #1 of 7
    Thread Starter 

        In 2010 I bought Amber by Nemat Int.(NI) from Whole Fools. 2011, bought it off Amazeon and found exactly what deadidol (from a  different post 'Nemat International Musk Amber smells like Ambre Sultan by SL') described, the oil was cut down so the scent was drastically weaker. More recently I ordered directly from nematinternational.com and was even more disappointed the bottles of Amber smelled like nothing. I know I am not losing my sense of smell (maybe my mind looking for a replacement) over these years. Others have realized the same thing. I called NI and explained how disappointed I am and it is a scent worth bringing back to it's original glory even if they have to raise the price to combat demand and their ability to supply the full essence of the scent. Is there a reason why NI would change or weaken a scent? Is it possible they could have sold their amber scent to another company? I found the roll on perfume oil -Love from Auric Blends to be similar, yet not quite as satisfying. I'm glum and unfortunately looking for a replacement. Any recommendations? I'm looking for a sweet  plus slight spice feminine Amber oil (not a perfume oil) that is a light clean scent yet not soapy, that blooms warmly, and is fragrant and sensual without a muskiness or bold spice. I think it's going to be a hard shoe to fill in order to replace a scent that worked well with my body chemistry.

    post #2 of 7

    The amber I bought based on suggestions here was indeed terrible. But it was under $10, so I just wrote it off. If you ask Abbas, I'm sure he'd be able to tell you what changed and why -- he's always been extremely helpful and forthcoming to me (I buy glassware from him). Also, they have a more expensive series of attars, so it seems that's the company's main focus.

     

    Is there a reason why you're sticking to oils rather than perfumes? I've actually run the gamut on amber and have tried a ton of them, so I might be able to steer you in other directions.

     

    With that said, Alkemia's Arabesque was surprisingly close to Sultan -- far closer than the Nemat oil -- but I don't know that much about it. Also, it's not exactly like Sultan (it was a little chalkier to my nose), but I think she sells samples for about $2, so might be worth a shot. I honestly don't know that much about Alkemia, but they have a massive fan base over at Fragrantica.

     

    Best of luck!

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    Thread Starter 

    Thanks Deadidol for the info. I like oils better that perfumes because they seem to have a consistent scent through the day. I have not dabbled much in perfumes, yet I am discovering how scent is a personal taste like anything else. So the Sultan, you described to be similar to amber musk, believe is different from the amber white that I was using. I would love any recommendations on Amber's. I am willing and ready to try something worth the price. One thing about oils is it is hard finding one without the essence of incenses, is that what you mean by chalkiness?

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    Originally Posted by Amberbubble View Post

    Thanks Deadidol for the info. I like oils better that perfumes because they seem to have a consistent scent through the day. I have not dabbled much in perfumes, yet I am discovering how scent is a personal taste like anything else. So the Sultan, you described to be similar to amber musk, believe is different from the amber white that I was using. I would love any recommendations on Amber's. I am willing and ready to try something worth the price. One thing about oils is it is hard finding one without the essence of incenses, is that what you mean by chalkiness?

    If you want a consistent scent that will last through the day, Amber Absolute is the way to go. Sadly it's discontinued, but you can still find it lurking around here and there. It's hands-down the best amber I've tried. It is incense based, but incense isn't chalky really -- it tends to be more sharp and slightly smoky.

     

    There should be threads on "best ambers" and what not, but for a brief, and very subjective shortlist of my personal favs:

     

    Amber Absolute (TF) -- amazing, powerful, linear blend of amber, incense, and woods.

    Ambre Sultan (Lutens) -- very spicy upfront, but dries down into something amazing.

    Ambre 114 (HdP)-- one of the most true to form, representational ambers I've tried. 

    L'Ombre Fauve (PG) -- an animalic, almost gourmand-ish amber

    Ambra Aurea (Profumum) -- slightly musky and incense-y

     

    I'm not a fan of oils myself, but they do tend to very very cheap, so that's a plus!

    post #5 of 7
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    Originally Posted by deadidol View Post

    Ambre 114 (HdP)-- one of the most true to form, representational ambers I've tried. 
    Same here.
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    Thread Starter 

    I'm so excited to try out some of these. Thanks so much, I am definitely the type who needs a second opinion and likes to know the details. I think I am finding a new interest in starting a perfume/oils collection. I think it is a new part of self expression I have never payed much attention to.

    post #7 of 7

    No problem! There are a lot to choose from, so sample away and see what works for you!

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    6/27/13 at 9:11pm

    Amberbubble said:



        In 2010 I bought Amber by Nemat Int.(NI) from Whole Fools. 2011, bought it off Amazeon and found exactly what deadidol (from a  different post 'Nemat International Musk Amber smells like Ambre Sultan by SL') described, the oil was cut down so the scent was drastically weaker. More recently I ordered directly from nematinternational.com and was even more disappointed the bottles of Amber smelled like nothing. I know I am not losing my sense of smell (maybe my mind looking for a replacement) over these years. Others have realized the same thing. I called NI and explained how disappointed I am and it is a scent worth bringing back to it's original glory even if they have to raise the price to combat demand and their ability to supply the full essence of the scent. Is there a reason why NI would change or weaken a scent? Is it possible they could have sold their amber scent to another company? I found the roll on perfume oil -Love from Auric Blends to be similar, yet not quite as satisfying. I'm glum and unfortunately looking for a replacement. Any recommendations? I'm looking for a sweet  plus slight spice feminine Amber oil (not a perfume oil) that is a light clean scent yet not soapy, that blooms warmly, and is fragrant and sensual without a muskiness or bold spice. I think it's going to be a hard shoe to fill in order to replace a scent that worked well with my body chemistry.

    6/27/13 at 10:47pm

    deadidol said:



    The amber I bought based on suggestions here was indeed terrible. But it was under $10, so I just wrote it off. If you ask Abbas, I'm sure he'd be able to tell you what changed and why -- he's always been extremely helpful and forthcoming to me (I buy glassware from him). Also, they have a more expensive series of attars, so it seems that's the company's main focus.

     

    Is there a reason why you're sticking to oils rather than perfumes? I've actually run the gamut on amber and have tried a ton of them, so I might be able to steer you in other directions.

     

    With that said, Alkemia's Arabesque was surprisingly close to Sultan -- far closer than the Nemat oil -- but I don't know that much about it. Also, it's not exactly like Sultan (it was a little chalkier to my nose), but I think she sells samples for about $2, so might be worth a shot. I honestly don't know that much about Alkemia, but they have a massive fan base over at Fragrantica.

     

    Best of luck!

    7/1/13 at 11:56am

    Amberbubble said:



    Thanks Deadidol for the info. I like oils better that perfumes because they seem to have a consistent scent through the day. I have not dabbled much in perfumes, yet I am discovering how scent is a personal taste like anything else. So the Sultan, you described to be similar to amber musk, believe is different from the amber white that I was using. I would love any recommendations on Amber's. I am willing and ready to try something worth the price. One thing about oils is it is hard finding one without the essence of incenses, is that what you mean by chalkiness?

    7/1/13 at 3:22pm

    deadidol said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Amberbubble View Post

    Thanks Deadidol for the info. I like oils better that perfumes because they seem to have a consistent scent through the day. I have not dabbled much in perfumes, yet I am discovering how scent is a personal taste like anything else. So the Sultan, you described to be similar to amber musk, believe is different from the amber white that I was using. I would love any recommendations on Amber's. I am willing and ready to try something worth the price. One thing about oils is it is hard finding one without the essence of incenses, is that what you mean by chalkiness?

    If you want a consistent scent that will last through the day, Amber Absolute is the way to go. Sadly it's discontinued, but you can still find it lurking around here and there. It's hands-down the best amber I've tried. It is incense based, but incense isn't chalky really -- it tends to be more sharp and slightly smoky.

     

    There should be threads on "best ambers" and what not, but for a brief, and very subjective shortlist of my personal favs:

     

    Amber Absolute (TF) -- amazing, powerful, linear blend of amber, incense, and woods.

    Ambre Sultan (Lutens) -- very spicy upfront, but dries down into something amazing.

    Ambre 114 (HdP)-- one of the most true to form, representational ambers I've tried. 

    L'Ombre Fauve (PG) -- an animalic, almost gourmand-ish amber

    Ambra Aurea (Profumum) -- slightly musky and incense-y

     

    I'm not a fan of oils myself, but they do tend to very very cheap, so that's a plus!

    7/2/13 at 4:09am

    hednic said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deadidol View Post

    Ambre 114 (HdP)-- one of the most true to form, representational ambers I've tried. 
    Same here.

    7/2/13 at 10:19pm

    Amberbubble said:



    I'm so excited to try out some of these. Thanks so much, I am definitely the type who needs a second opinion and likes to know the details. I think I am finding a new interest in starting a perfume/oils collection. I think it is a new part of self expression I have never payed much attention to.

    7/2/13 at 10:33pm

    deadidol said:



    No problem! There are a lot to choose from, so sample away and see what works for you!