How to "clean up" dirty smelling EOs?

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    6/28/13 at 1:50pm

    JungleNYC said:



    I love ginger, and nutmeg, etc…and i just got this wonderful Indian Vetiver.

    All of them have a pronounced "dirt" component to them. Which can be a turnoff, obviously.

    I'm wondering if anyone has any "go-to" combos for counteracting that overtone?

    I've been using hedione and rosewood, to varying degrees of success.

    Coumarin helps, imho.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the "earthy"ness, but I need to push it back, somehow.

    Or…maybe embrace it? Go "incense"??

    Any ideas would be welcome smile.gif

    6/28/13 at 2:25pm

    pkiler said:



    Get Ginger fresh EO, or ginger CO2.

    Use Mace instead of Nutmeg.

    Use a different Vetiver, like Bourbon Vetiver.

    6/28/13 at 10:40pm

    DrSmellThis said:



    Don't know what you want, but the simplest element might be something floral. But there are other ways, since earth is only one element.

    6/28/13 at 10:53pm

    Masha said:



    It's happens when the mix of components not so beautiful as each of components independently. May be it possible to find some good ratio for vetiver-ginger-nutmeg.
    I can imaging some conifers in this combination, pine or fir EO for "eathy"less.
    Or may be it's better to make a blend based on the Wonderful Vetiver, and looking for something to accent the Vetiver.

    Edited by Masha - 6/28/13 at 11:11pm

    6/28/13 at 11:32pm

    DrSmellThis said:



    Masha's idea suggests woods, an option.

    6/29/13 at 4:18am

    JungleNYC said:



    Thanks for the suggestions!

    In general, I wasn't trying to put them all together (although I do have one w/ nutmeg and the vetiver).

    I was definitely thinking florals, and in fact had some success from good 'ol geranium.

    Carnation seemed too dark.

    I don't own a lot of floral EOs, so I guess that means ACs for me. Not that that's a bad thing.

    6/30/13 at 2:26am

    Pears said:



    There's some good advice here. Ginger EO is made from the rhizomes (root ginger), so it tends to have an earthiness. Especially if the skin is used. Vetiver EO is also made from the roots, so it also tends to have an earthiness about it. I'd be inclined to follow Pkiler's advice and use a different Vetiver. You can also use Hinoki wood oil or Port Orford Cedar oil for a fresh, zesty, ginger note. Port Orford Cedar is often called Ginger Cedar. This place sells it at a decent price, although I've only tried the one from Liberty Natural.

    http://www.rosecityarchery.com/Rose_Of_Cedar.htm


    Edited by Pears - 6/30/13 at 3:12am

    6/30/13 at 7:47am

    Ramute said:



    I like vetiver with something sweet - vanilla, benzoin, peru balsam. Mimosa gives lightness, highlight all flowers, guaiacwood EO go well. Yuzu mandarin and vetiver smell divine, or bergamot, if you don't have yuzu. Citrus fragrances are often used to facilitate base note.

    7/1/13 at 4:08pm

    pkiler said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PearsView Post

    There's some good advice here. Ginger EO is made from the rhizomes (root ginger), so it tends to have an earthiness. Especially if the skin is used. Vetiver EO is also made from the roots, so it also tends to have an earthiness about it. I'd be inclined to follow Pkiler's advice and use a different Vetiver. You can also use Hinoki wood oil or Port Orford Cedar oil for a fresh, zesty, ginger note. Port Orford Cedar is often called Ginger Cedar. This place sells it at a decent price, although I've only tried the one from Liberty Natural.

    http://www.rosecityarchery.com/Rose_Of_Cedar.htm

    I have the Liberty Natural version, and to me I can't really stomach using it, because it just smells like cleaning liquids for the bathroom... What do YOU think about it?


    Edited by pkiler - 7/2/13 at 9:54am

    7/2/13 at 4:25am

    Pears said:



    I get what you mean about the bathroom cleaner, Paul. Although not in a bad way for me, it's very refreshing. It's the sharp, citrusy scent I think. I've just put some on a test strip and I'm getting freshly made ginger beer with lemons or grapefruit. It's got a real punch to it. To me, the Hinoki is like it's mellower cousin. Less sharp and more like the gentler stem ginger than root ginger. I prefer the Hinoki as it is straight up but the Port Orford Cedar could come into it's own once blended. Interestingly, the two are very closely related coming from the same genus, which contains only three or four other species. The Japanese buy up most of the available Port Orford Cedar wood because the grain, color and aroma remind them of their beloved Hinoki.


    Edited by Pears - 7/2/13 at 7:45am

    7/2/13 at 10:01am

    pkiler said:



    Since we are verring off far from the OP, I'll start a new thread for this Hinoki / Port Orford Cedar type conversation...

    7/5/13 at 2:50am

    mumsy said:



    For my pennysworth. I find if you want to lift something earthy. Try finding the other nuances within the ingredient you are working on and amplify those first. Then it will stay true to itself and be a bigger self but pulled where you want it to go in the direction of the main intent. So a very earthy vetiver may have other nuances of brighter greens, woods, smoke, even citrus. Find these out with your investigative nose on and ramp them up. The earthiness then has more of a match on to retain its dominance over the whole. IMO only.

    PS. I like dirt. Embrace it.

    7/5/13 at 7:15am

    JungleNYC said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mumsyView Post

    PS. I like dirt. Embrace it.

    Lol. I do too!

    I'm definitely going to try some things that go whole-hog in that direction: embracing it.

    Woods, incense, etc.

    My feeling is that would naturally be a heavy, more "winter" type frag. But I may be wrong.

    I started out trying to do a light, summer thing, trying to balance a little "dirt" in there. I think I was just overwhelmed at the power the "dirty" had in the mix. Especially the ginger, and the indian vetiver. They both quickly became "dirt notes" and no longer "ginger" or "vetiver."

    I'm def going to get some other vetivers, which will help immensely. And I have some other gingers, which i'm playing around with now.

    The nutmeg is still a favorite of mine. Not nearly as "dirty" (as in, actually earth-dirt), but more "dirty" in a fragrance wheel sort of way. Or at least how my brain processes, and categorizes it smile.gif