Curious... How much does a perfumer make?

    Curious... How much does a perfumer make?

    post #1 of 38
    Thread Starter 
    For a well known perfumer, how much would a company pay for a formula?

    And say, you found a perfumer on LinkedIn, presumably not famous, but knows what he/she is doing, how much do you think he/she would charge for a formula?

    I am daydreaming what if I could start a company selling perfume online. (Don't laugh smile.gif
    post #2 of 38

    Most Perfumers work for a Fragrance House so the Perfumes they create do not belong to them, but to their employer. Depending on their track record a Perfumer can earn quite a good salary. I have no idea how much an independent Perfumer (there are only a few) would charge for their work, but it wouldn't be cheap.

    post #3 of 38
    Also don't know but I imagine they would command big bucks.
    post #4 of 38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by David RuskinView Post

    Most Perfumers work for a Fragrance House so the Perfumes they create do not belong to them, but to their employer. Depending on their track record a Perfumer can earn quite a good salary. I have no idea how much an independent Perfumer (there are only a few) would charge for their work, but it wouldn't be cheap.

    I'm cheap ;-)

    OK maybe not that cheap . . .

    post #5 of 38
    Thread Starter 

    Hi Chris,

    I'm am checking out your website :) Great stuff so far!

    post #6 of 38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Magic KetchupView Post

    Hi Chris,

    I'm am checking out your website :) Great stuff so far!

    Thanks!

    post #7 of 38

    interesting question

    post #8 of 38

    Yes, there are a few of us freelance perfumers out there...

    I too am working on briefs for customers...

    Work is work, and price TBD...

    post #9 of 38
    Thread Starter 

    Indulge me with my newbie business plan. I am a video game artist getting tired of his job (a long story).

    I am in the middle of budgeting to see if I can afford my niche perfume project - think Federic Malle, but a million times smaller in scope.

    I have thought about learning how to make perfume of my own, but realizing that I could spend a good sum of money getting all the oils and equipment and praying for a winning scent, may be I should spend the money hiring a freelance perfumer to kickstart the project.

    If I can sell 100 50ml bottles online and breakeven, I would be very happy. (This is a hint of my budget)

    There are, of course, many obstacles (may be they are not to freelance perfumers who have been doing it for some time) - After acquiring a formula, I need to produce the perfume. Also a bit clueless here. Do I go to Perfumerapprentice.com and order all the ingredients? LOL

    Now freelance perfumers, after hearing my case, are you interested? I cannot detail my other half of the business plan, but may be we can talk?

    Cheers,

    Victor

    post #10 of 38

    Dear Victor,

    What you want is to establish a Line of Perfumes, is that correct?

    Your marketing strategy of online only might be just fine to sell 100 bottles, but will still require a great amount of effort.

    But the effort invloved is not worth your time I think, unless you tagert a larger sales amount.

    I don't think that there is enough return for your time, if you only wish to sell 100 bottles, unless you have a market cornered, and you are charging up the wazoo for your bottles. It would seem that the effort to sell 100 bottles should be adjusted to sell 1000 bottles.

    No, You won't be able to simply go to Perfumers Apprentice and buy the materials. Materials acquisition is a large amount of time for us freelancers. because we source from dozens of sources to obtain our raw materials. PA is ONE source, a great source, but certainly not all inclusive.

    What might be more commonplace, is to buy the concentrate from your perfumer. Plus, I'm not sure that you can afford to purchase the formula anyway, on your budget. It would seem a better business model for the perfumer to sell you the concentrate, so that their profit margin can improve, esp due to your lowball budget.

    This is the model I am working on with other customers.

    And then you need the bottles, caps, sprayers, labels, packaging... etc. Are you going to use screw tops, or crimp tops? If crimp tops, then you need to buy a crimptop machine to bottle.

    If you need to be tutored on all of these aspects of the business by your perfumer, don't expect all the extra time for free. (Since you admit to being "a bit clueless here.") - Just because I *can* answer your questions . . . .

    Perfumery is not instantaneous. It takes TIME... Do not be impatient, or impose unreasonable time limits, except if you expect poorer results.

    It might be too late now to develop and market something for Christmas 2013, unless something unusual happens, since there is only about three months left before the Christmas Season would start.

    Call me if you wish to discuss, (951) 246-1759 USA, Pacific time zone

    post #11 of 38
    Thread Starter 

    Hi Paul, thanks for the reply. I've sent you a private message.

    post #12 of 38

    Hi Victor,

    For a company like mine, we would normally charge about $1,000.00 per formula created/sold. But like others above have stated, it depends on the perfumist and/or the company they work for.

    Gina Bouthiette

    Aromatic Fragrances International

    www.afi-usa.com

    post #13 of 38
    Thread Starter 

    Hi Gina,

    Thank you this valuable information. I will check out your website later tonight. (Is this your company or you work for them?) Do you also sell concentrate of that formula?

    Best regards,

    Victor

    post #14 of 38

    Hi Victor,

    I work for Aromatic Fragrances International as a Senior Account Manager. We make concentrates (key fragrances), or synthetic blends.

    Kind Regards,

    Gina Bouthiette

    Aromatic Fragrances International

    post #15 of 38

    Interesting thread.

    post #16 of 38
    I agree with Paul - you have to dream bigger to make it worth it's while. The question that keeps coming to mind though is why do you want to introduce your own line to a very saturated market? What would make you different? What's the story behind your line? What dream/image/phantasy are you selling? Ultimately this is why people buy fragrance.

    I think get distribution to some independent niche stores won't be hard. As long as you have adequate packaging and sales support, many would be happy to sell your line on consignment. My point is, don't limit yourself to the Internet. Getting into stores will take some peddling but is not impossible.

    Best of luck and keep us posted.
    post #17 of 38
    Thread Starter 

    I do have a "story" behind my line in my mind, but I don't want to reveal it here, just in case someone also thinks it's a good idea.

    Is the niche fragrance market saturated? I think the Internet always has a space for any product. And I am not betting my house and life savings on my perfume. And in fact, I am still researching.

    My revelation came when I was reading Luca Turin's Perfume review book. He gave a few of my favourite perfumes one or two stars. To me, they smell great. I obviously have not smelt as many perfumes as he has, but that's exactly the point - who have? I think, if I have a good concept behind my fragrance (I am not talking about what they smell like here), adventurous or curious people class="

    6/29/13 at 8:43pm

    Magic Ketchup said:



    For a well known perfumer, how much would a company pay for a formula?

    And say, you found a perfumer on LinkedIn, presumably not famous, but knows what he/she is doing, how much do you think he/she would charge for a formula?

    I am daydreaming what if I could start a company selling perfume online. (Don't laugh smile.gif

    6/30/13 at 1:47am

    David Ruskin said:



    Most Perfumers work for a Fragrance House so the Perfumes they create do not belong to them, but to their employer. Depending on their track record a Perfumer can earn quite a good salary. I have no idea how much an independent Perfumer (there are only a few) would charge for their work, but it wouldn't be cheap.

    6/30/13 at 6:39am

    hednic said:



    Also don't know but I imagine they would command big bucks.

    6/30/13 at 9:28am

    Chris Bartlett said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by David RuskinView Post

    Most Perfumers work for a Fragrance House so the Perfumes they create do not belong to them, but to their employer. Depending on their track record a Perfumer can earn quite a good salary. I have no idea how much an independent Perfumer (there are only a few) would charge for their work, but it wouldn't be cheap.

    I'm cheap ;-)

    OK maybe not that cheap . . .

    6/30/13 at 10:42am

    Magic Ketchup said:



    Hi Chris,

    I'm am checking out your website :) Great stuff so far!

    6/30/13 at 11:09am

    Chris Bartlett said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Magic KetchupView Post

    Hi Chris,

    I'm am checking out your website :) Great stuff so far!

    Thanks!

    6/30/13 at 12:24pm

    Tony T said:



    interesting question

    7/1/13 at 10:36am

    pkiler said:



    Yes, there are a few of us freelance perfumers out there...

    I too am working on briefs for customers...

    Work is work, and price TBD...

    7/1/13 at 6:12pm

    Magic Ketchup said:



    Indulge me with my newbie business plan. I am a video game artist getting tired of his job (a long story).

    I am in the middle of budgeting to see if I can afford my niche perfume project - think Federic Malle, but a million times smaller in scope.

    I have thought about learning how to make perfume of my own, but realizing that I could spend a good sum of money getting all the oils and equipment and praying for a winning scent, may be I should spend the money hiring a freelance perfumer to kickstart the project.

    If I can sell 100 50ml bottles online and breakeven, I would be very happy. (This is a hint of my budget)

    There are, of course, many obstacles (may be they are not to freelance perfumers who have been doing it for some time) - After acquiring a formula, I need to produce the perfume. Also a bit clueless here. Do I go to Perfumerapprentice.com and order all the ingredients? LOL

    Now freelance perfumers, after hearing my case, are you interested? I cannot detail my other half of the business plan, but may be we can talk?

    Cheers,

    Victor

    7/1/13 at 7:35pm

    pkiler said:



    Dear Victor,

    What you want is to establish a Line of Perfumes, is that correct?

    Your marketing strategy of online only might be just fine to sell 100 bottles, but will still require a great amount of effort.

    But the effort invloved is not worth your time I think, unless you tagert a larger sales amount.

    I don't think that there is enough return for your time, if you only wish to sell 100 bottles, unless you have a market cornered, and you are charging up the wazoo for your bottles. It would seem that the effort to sell 100 bottles should be adjusted to sell 1000 bottles.

    No, You won't be able to simply go to Perfumers Apprentice and buy the materials. Materials acquisition is a large amount of time for us freelancers. because we source from dozens of sources to obtain our raw materials. PA is ONE source, a great source, but certainly not all inclusive.

    What might be more commonplace, is to buy the concentrate from your perfumer. Plus, I'm not sure that you can afford to purchase the formula anyway, on your budget. It would seem a better business model for the perfumer to sell you the concentrate, so that their profit margin can improve, esp due to your lowball budget.

    This is the model I am working on with other customers.

    And then you need the bottles, caps, sprayers, labels, packaging... etc. Are you going to use screw tops, or crimp tops? If crimp tops, then you need to buy a crimptop machine to bottle.

    If you need to be tutored on all of these aspects of the business by your perfumer, don't expect all the extra time for free. (Since you admit to being "a bit clueless here.") - Just because I *can* answer your questions . . . .

    Perfumery is not instantaneous. It takes TIME... Do not be impatient, or impose unreasonable time limits, except if you expect poorer results.

    It might be too late now to develop and market something for Christmas 2013, unless something unusual happens, since there is only about three months left before the Christmas Season would start.

    Call me if you wish to discuss, (951) 246-1759 USA, Pacific time zone

    7/1/13 at 8:02pm

    Magic Ketchup said:



    Hi Paul, thanks for the reply. I've sent you a private message.

    7/2/13 at 8:36am

    ginabou said:



    Hi Victor,

    For a company like mine, we would normally charge about $1,000.00 per formula created/sold. But like others above have stated, it depends on the perfumist and/or the company they work for.

    Gina Bouthiette

    Aromatic Fragrances International

    www.afi-usa.com

    7/2/13 at 8:53am

    Magic Ketchup said:



    Hi Gina,

    Thank you this valuable information. I will check out your website later tonight. (Is this your company or you work for them?) Do you also sell concentrate of that formula?

    Best regards,

    Victor

    7/2/13 at 9:11am

    ginabou said:



    Hi Victor,

    I work for Aromatic Fragrances International as a Senior Account Manager. We make concentrates (key fragrances), or synthetic blends.

    Kind Regards,

    Gina Bouthiette

    Aromatic Fragrances International

    7/3/13 at 2:18pm

    lpp said:



    Interesting thread.

    7/13/13 at 3:21pm

    ScentBound said:



    I agree with Paul - you have to dream bigger to make it worth it's while. The question that keeps coming to mind though is why do you want to introduce your own line to a very saturated market? What would make you different? What's the story behind your line? What dream/image/phantasy are you selling? Ultimately this is why people buy fragrance.

    I think get distribution to some independent niche stores won't be hard. As long as you have adequate packaging and sales support, many would be happy to sell your line on consignment. My point is, don't limit yourself to the Internet. Getting into stores will take some peddling but is not impossible.

    Best of luck and keep us posted.

    7/13/13 at 4:24pm

    Magic Ketchup said:



    I do have a "story" behind my line in my mind, but I don't want to reveal it here, just in case someone also thinks it's a good idea.

    Is the niche fragrance market saturated? I think the Internet always has a space for any product. And I am not betting my house and life savings on my perfume. And in fact, I am still researching.

    My revelation came when I was reading Luca Turin's Perfume review book. He gave a few of my favourite perfumes one or two stars. To me, they smell great. I obviously have not smelt as many perfumes as he has, but that's exactly the point - who have? I think, if I have a good concept behind my fragrance (I am not talking about what they smell like here), adventurous or curious people class="





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