Has anyone of you ever flagged an ebay member?

    Has anyone of you ever flagged an ebay member?

    post #1 of 19
    Thread Starter 


    Because of obvious (I mean really obvious) price manipulation through a third member? If one of you took action, what was the outcome? Do they get warned? Will they be suspended?

    Thanks!

    post #2 of 19

    I once reported an obvious case of shilling. the person was bidding in $2 increments then when he went above the price, he cancelled the last bid. It was silly anyway, because the price was below the avg price for which that perfume went, and in fact there was a flurry of bidding at the end that led to a price that was twice as high.

    I don't know what happened to the bidder, one cannot see what happens to the bidder. But I think it is always worth to report suspicious behavior to ebay.

    cacio

    post #3 of 19

    I reported a rather serious very committed one who was re-listing the same items won by her friend (who never bid on anyone else's items) on the same day with the same pictures, etc.....

    They restricted her to 'BIN' 's & then a few people left bad feedback & she went away.

    I do feel that the 0.99 free listing policy at the time encouraged it.

    post #4 of 19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GraphiteView Post


    Because of obvious (I mean really obvious) price manipulation through a third member? If one of you took action, what was the outcome? Do they get warned? Will they be suspended?

    Thanks!

    I think that happened to me once. It appeared I was going to get a decent deal on a vintage frag and then out of the blue this weird, last minute bidding was started by an unknown bidder with a zillion bids in their history. I went ahead and suffered the obnoxious price increase fueled by this suspicious competitor The perfume is rare so I paid the price. I'll never buy from that greedy, Ebay bully again!

    post #5 of 19
    I flagged a person once or twice, but I don't think anything came of it.
    post #6 of 19

    Haven't had to do it yet.

    post #7 of 19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NineInchNellView Post

    I think that happened to me once. It appeared I was going to get a decent deal on a vintage frag and then out of the blue this weird, last minute bidding was started by an unknown bidder with a zillion bids in their history. I went ahead and suffered the obnoxious price increase fueled by this suspicious competitor The perfume is rare so I paid the price. I'll never buy from that greedy, Ebay bully again!

    In our country I understand that many people bid at the last second should shilling be suspected.

    They don't, however, always win as final bids are a matter of choice.

    post #8 of 19

    Ages ago before ebay tightened up on you being able to see the other bidders full details.

    I caught a seller bidding on some thing they were selling using a different name. It was quite funny and so easy to trace back, I had a low bid in. It was the last day of the bidding and no one else had bid, I did report and the auction was closed before the end.

    post #9 of 19

    It used to be way easier to find crooks on ebay. However last minute bidding doesn't indicate crookery necessarily. I sometimes browse the last minute auctions for fun and often bid late as a result. I like the thrill and just laugh if someone beats me to it with a higher bid. Last second bidding is common practice to prevent the price getting too high and therefore silly. I usually place an early bid if I find something to watch. I don't keep bidding the price up throughout, but I do return (if I remember) at the end to make sure it goes to me.

    I did flag a jewellery vendor once who was flogging off jewels and rolex's with no prior history. They had a rolex so called 'sold', but to a mystery buyer for a huge sum, and then no other sales. I merely told ebay to keep an eye open in case it was a scam, and ebay asked them to sell lower priced things first before selling high ones. They turned out to be a perfectly legit pawn shop who hadn't any idea how to use ebay well. Fair enough. I made sure my bid was honoured though. A very nice pair of real diamond earrings and no-one else trusted the vendor enough to bid with a zero rating. I think it did the vendor a favour in the end, they carried on by selling cheaper stuff first to gain their reputation, and got successful in the end.

    It works both ways if the customers keep ebay a 'clean' place.

    post #10 of 19
    Yes, Mumsy, "Sniping" is part of the fun of bidding on Ebay!
    post #11 of 19

    Happy that that I'm not the only 'sniper' here. 'Watching' and waiting often pays in my experience.

    post #12 of 19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lppView Post

    Happy that that I'm not the only 'sniper' here. 'Watching' and waiting often pays in my experience.

    Yes agreed, although sniping is a high adrenaline sport, especially with a choppy Internet connection!
    post #13 of 19

    I've won as many auctions with an early first bid as I have done with a late check up bid. You never can tell. Sometimes the earlier one pays because even more annoying than a lost snipe is a watched item that hasn't gone because no-one bid and you forgot it.

    post #14 of 19

    Haha, I often forget to log in too, or win with a forgotten bid

    I think that it's an accepted form of sport, provided we don't mind losing.

    post #15 of 19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mick_TrickView Post


    Yes agreed, although sniping is a high adrenaline sport, especially with a choppy Internet connection!

    Oh dear, sympathy, ours is mostly O.K. these days unless the electricity fails.

    post #16 of 19
    Thread Starter 

    Thanks to all of you for your replies!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hednicView Post

    Yes, Mumsy, "Sniping" is part of the fun of bidding on Ebay!


    Absolutely!

    I always bid on the last four seconds and enter the price I am willing to pay (usually it's a I-will-get-this price).
    Once it happened to me in this situation that Ebay popped up asking me to log in. Since then I am always logging out and in before bidding.

    In my particular case I won both auctions offered by the same seller – Chanel N19 100 ml Vintage EdT, boxed, and 28 ml vintage Extrait, sealed, double-boxed – but I was a bit irritated how high the Extrait went finally and checked the bidding record to have a look at the other enthusiast. After a quick research I found out that this member is only bidding on that specific seller's items (T-Shirts, pots etc) and having 18 withdrawn bids. Checking the sellers feedback confirmed that picture. During the past few month this member was bidding on every single item offered by the seller.

    I am really torn. I decided myself how much I want to pay for this (a little bit more than reasonable and without that third members intervention it would have been a real bargain), but the fact of the manipulation tweaks somehow and I was thinking about canceling the transaction. Well, I quite likely won't.

    However, I think I will report this kind of professional shilling to Ebay, hoping they will do something about it.

    So long and happy hunting!

    post #17 of 19

    I would definitely report that. It appears to be a clear case of underhand play. Not very sporting Carruthers!

    No need for that type of thing. Just start the bidding at the price that is the lowest they are happy at.

    There will always be another one, or get it and then demand a reasonable refund for cheating.

    I've got a vintage No 19 edt. and can send you some.

    6/30/13 at 9:55am

    Graphite said:




    Because of obvious (I mean really obvious) price manipulation through a third member? If one of you took action, what was the outcome? Do they get warned? Will they be suspended?

    Thanks!

    6/30/13 at 1:32pm

    cacio said:



    I once reported an obvious case of shilling. the person was bidding in $2 increments then when he went above the price, he cancelled the last bid. It was silly anyway, because the price was below the avg price for which that perfume went, and in fact there was a flurry of bidding at the end that led to a price that was twice as high.

    I don't know what happened to the bidder, one cannot see what happens to the bidder. But I think it is always worth to report suspicious behavior to ebay.

    cacio

    6/30/13 at 1:41pm

    lpp said:



    I reported a rather serious very committed one who was re-listing the same items won by her friend (who never bid on anyone else's items) on the same day with the same pictures, etc.....

    They restricted her to 'BIN' 's & then a few people left bad feedback & she went away.

    I do feel that the 0.99 free listing policy at the time encouraged it.

    6/30/13 at 1:51pm

    NineInchNell said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GraphiteView Post


    Because of obvious (I mean really obvious) price manipulation through a third member? If one of you took action, what was the outcome? Do they get warned? Will they be suspended?

    Thanks!

    I think that happened to me once. It appeared I was going to get a decent deal on a vintage frag and then out of the blue this weird, last minute bidding was started by an unknown bidder with a zillion bids in their history. I went ahead and suffered the obnoxious price increase fueled by this suspicious competitor The perfume is rare so I paid the price. I'll never buy from that greedy, Ebay bully again!

    6/30/13 at 1:55pm

    hednic said:



    I flagged a person once or twice, but I don't think anything came of it.

    6/30/13 at 2:30pm

    sjg3839 said:



    Haven't had to do it yet.

    7/1/13 at 1:12am

    lpp said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NineInchNellView Post

    I think that happened to me once. It appeared I was going to get a decent deal on a vintage frag and then out of the blue this weird, last minute bidding was started by an unknown bidder with a zillion bids in their history. I went ahead and suffered the obnoxious price increase fueled by this suspicious competitor The perfume is rare so I paid the price. I'll never buy from that greedy, Ebay bully again!

    In our country I understand that many people bid at the last second should shilling be suspected.

    They don't, however, always win as final bids are a matter of choice.

    7/1/13 at 2:00am

    donna255 said:



    Ages ago before ebay tightened up on you being able to see the other bidders full details.

    I caught a seller bidding on some thing they were selling using a different name. It was quite funny and so easy to trace back, I had a low bid in. It was the last day of the bidding and no one else had bid, I did report and the auction was closed before the end.

    7/1/13 at 2:38am

    mumsy said:



    It used to be way easier to find crooks on ebay. However last minute bidding doesn't indicate crookery necessarily. I sometimes browse the last minute auctions for fun and often bid late as a result. I like the thrill and just laugh if someone beats me to it with a higher bid. Last second bidding is common practice to prevent the price getting too high and therefore silly. I usually place an early bid if I find something to watch. I don't keep bidding the price up throughout, but I do return (if I remember) at the end to make sure it goes to me.

    I did flag a jewellery vendor once who was flogging off jewels and rolex's with no prior history. They had a rolex so called 'sold', but to a mystery buyer for a huge sum, and then no other sales. I merely told ebay to keep an eye open in case it was a scam, and ebay asked them to sell lower priced things first before selling high ones. They turned out to be a perfectly legit pawn shop who hadn't any idea how to use ebay well. Fair enough. I made sure my bid was honoured though. A very nice pair of real diamond earrings and no-one else trusted the vendor enough to bid with a zero rating. I think it did the vendor a favour in the end, they carried on by selling cheaper stuff first to gain their reputation, and got successful in the end.

    It works both ways if the customers keep ebay a 'clean' place.

    7/1/13 at 3:36am

    hednic said:



    Yes, Mumsy, "Sniping" is part of the fun of bidding on Ebay!

    7/1/13 at 4:55am

    lpp said:



    Happy that that I'm not the only 'sniper' here. 'Watching' and waiting often pays in my experience.

    7/1/13 at 5:05am

    Mick_Trick said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lppView Post

    Happy that that I'm not the only 'sniper' here. 'Watching' and waiting often pays in my experience.

    Yes agreed, although sniping is a high adrenaline sport, especially with a choppy Internet connection!

    7/1/13 at 5:12am

    mumsy said:



    I've won as many auctions with an early first bid as I have done with a late check up bid. You never can tell. Sometimes the earlier one pays because even more annoying than a lost snipe is a watched item that hasn't gone because no-one bid and you forgot it.

    7/1/13 at 5:23am

    lpp said:



    Haha, I often forget to log in too, or win with a forgotten bid

    I think that it's an accepted form of sport, provided we don't mind losing.

    7/1/13 at 6:26am

    lpp said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mick_TrickView Post


    Yes agreed, although sniping is a high adrenaline sport, especially with a choppy Internet connection!

    Oh dear, sympathy, ours is mostly O.K. these days unless the electricity fails.

    7/1/13 at 7:00am

    Graphite said:



    Thanks to all of you for your replies!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hednicView Post

    Yes, Mumsy, "Sniping" is part of the fun of bidding on Ebay!


    Absolutely!

    I always bid on the last four seconds and enter the price I am willing to pay (usually it's a I-will-get-this price).
    Once it happened to me in this situation that Ebay popped up asking me to log in. Since then I am always logging out and in before bidding.

    In my particular case I won both auctions offered by the same seller – Chanel N19 100 ml Vintage EdT, boxed, and 28 ml vintage Extrait, sealed, double-boxed – but I was a bit irritated how high the Extrait went finally and checked the bidding record to have a look at the other enthusiast. After a quick research I found out that this member is only bidding on that specific seller's items (T-Shirts, pots etc) and having 18 withdrawn bids. Checking the sellers feedback confirmed that picture. During the past few month this member was bidding on every single item offered by the seller.

    I am really torn. I decided myself how much I want to pay for this (a little bit more than reasonable and without that third members intervention it would have been a real bargain), but the fact of the manipulation tweaks somehow and I was thinking about canceling the transaction. Well, I quite likely won't.

    However, I think I will report this kind of professional shilling to Ebay, hoping they will do something about it.

    So long and happy hunting!

    7/4/13 at 6:47am

    mumsy said:



    I would definitely report that. It appears to be a clear case of underhand play. Not very sporting Carruthers!

    No need for that type of thing. Just start the bidding at the price that is the lowest they are happy at.

    There will always be another one, or get it and then demand a reasonable refund for cheating.

    I've got a vintage No 19 edt. and can send you some.