Let's try this again

    Let's try this again  

    post #1 of 37
    Thread Starter 

    The point of the thread was mainly so that I could save money because there are millions of fragrances out there and I can't try them all, and I simply didn't want to miss out on the ones that are important to know, and there is such a thing just like there is for books, movies and every artform. Some works are culturally, aesthetically and or technically significant and they must be known.

    I already have an idea, obviously number 5 I bought for that reason, Shalimar, Joy, Mitsouko, and Jicky are on my to buy list, what else, oh Pierre and Gallet's Eau de Cologne, which is the first eau de cologne, or mass produced perfume right? What else should I buy?

    post #2 of 37
    Thread Starter 

    Oh Number 19 is also on my list.

    post #3 of 37

    Alien?

    post #4 of 37
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tony TView Post

    Alien?


    Are you serious?

    post #5 of 37
    Let's not.

    Use the Search function and if you want some help from people here try to grow some manners. Calling people bitchy, snobbish and hostile may impress a few of the brahs but the grown-ups have seen this sense of entitlement come and go a million times.

    This Sub-Forum is dedicated to discussion about the industry and general topics, BTW - you may find some traction in the Starting Out area - and try to say 'please'.
    post #6 of 37
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mr. reasonableView Post

    Let's not.

    Use the Search function and if you want some help from people here try to grow some manners. Calling people bitchy, snobbish and hostile may impress a few of the brahs but the grown-ups have seen this sense of entitlement come and go a million times.

    This Sub-Forum is dedicated to discussion about the industry and general topics, BTW - you may find some traction in the Starting Out area - and try to say 'please'.

    Being nice didn't get me anywhere around here; I know there are others who will help me and give me suggestions.

    post #7 of 37
    Oh change the record already. You're not a victim of anything but your own arrogance and ignorance. You've been bleating on about this on multiple threads now.

    You asked for the fragrances to smell that will make you an expert on perfume. You wanted a shortcut to be an expert and didn't get one.
    You blazed into a thread shooting your mouth off and criticizing a perfumer and his work, without even having tried it.
    You said ignorant and offensive things to people who keep perfume diaries, and thought it was funny when they said you were being disrespectful by judging them as too rich or broke.
    When people do offer you opinions, you essentially shoot them all down because you think you know everything.
    You also think anyone who disagrees with you are snobs.
    And then there are your "omg" hysterics about losing your sense of smell...and that's in between the endless White Diamonds/Madonna/Fracas worship.

    And lastly, you question everything. Get off your ass and Google once in a while, instead of sitting there waiting for someone to dump the answers in your lap. Read the wealth of information that's already on here. Use the search function.

    You were given many suggestions in that thread- harden up and go back in to retrieve it.
    post #8 of 37

    Don't feed the troll.

    post #9 of 37

    Okay, heres a short list of the ones that I would ask you to try. Please, sample them first though.

    1. Idole-Lubin

    2.1270-Frapin

    3. Philosykos-Diptyque

    4. Eau de Sud-Annick Goutal

    5. En Passant-Malle

    6. Musc Ravageur-Malle

    7. Bahiana-Maitre Parfumer & Gantier

    8. Les Jeux son Faites-Jovoy

    9. Fusion sacree pour lui-Madja Bakali(IMO its unisex)

    10.Iris Gris (or Encens & Lavande)-Serge Lutens

    There are thousands of different scents out there as you mentioned, these are just a couple of ideas.

    Cheers

    Rex

    post #10 of 37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blohanView Post

    Being nice didn't get me anywhere around here, all I got were snobs and know-it-all selfish ASSHOLES like you the first time around. Not interested in hearing what the likes of you have to say at all, I know there are others who will help me and give me suggestions.

    Mr.Reasonable is an outstanding member on here.

    You need to think about your participation and attitude on here. It shan't be tolerated.
    post #11 of 37

    I wrote up a blog post about this but it's mostly from the "masculine" perspective. There's also the issue of reformulations. Why not start with the "Perfumes: The Guide" book? Bering a newbie is tough because you have to read and sample at the same time, trying to incorporate all the information, which for me took months (just to get the "basics" sorted out).


    Edited by Bigsly - 7/14/13 at 8:45pm
    post #12 of 37
    Blohan, I remember reading that thread and thinking that some members were being unnecessarily hostile and a little rude in response to your query. However, your reaction to this was probably not the best either and in many ways, was probably worse than the treatment you received initially.

    There's something to be said though about the way some thread posters are treated on this site. I often read some threads and subsequent responses from other members and wonder why some people choose to respond in such a negative, rude manner.

    Am I the only one who thinks this?
    post #13 of 37

    I've been learning for YEARS and still don't know a whole lot, there are really no short cuts - Google can yield a wealth of info (or Bing or whatever) use it. Sample a few, learn what notes smell like for yourself - also NO ONE can describe to you the scent of Jasmine, or sandalwood or whatever, it has to be experienced for yourself, sample when you can, go to stores and try all the testers, go to nice places when and if you can and if you can't do that for one reason or another read, and take a chance now and then ordering a sample online. ASK people what they are wearing if you smell something you like on someone they will be usually quite happy to tell you, well except for those few woman who say "Oh I don't even know..." YES they do - one last thing - it usually takes FAR longer to sit and wait for answers on a forum than it does to just look it up yourself and a person may answer whose taste is FAR different from yours so scent questions especially along the lines of "Will I like, or will people like" are often a spinning your wheels exercise

    post #14 of 37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leo123View Post

    Blohan, I remember reading that thread and thinking that some members were being unnecessarily hostile and a little rude in response to your query. However, your reaction to this was probably not the best either and in many ways, was probably worse than the treatment you received initially.

    There's something to be said though about the way some thread posters are treated on this site. I often read some threads and subsequent responses from other members and wonder why some people choose to respond in such a negative, rude manner.

    Am I the only one who thinks this?

    Does the attitude of the O.P. in some of these cases influence the types of reply received, perhaps?

    Perhaps together with the recent tiresome spate of open trolling.

    Once a member has a reputation for reacting negatively (or argumentatively), subsequent threads may not be met with enthusiasm by regular posters, who may avoid the thread, leaving answering to others who might not initially be aware of the situation.

    I do agree, however, that some of the responses from members on both sides are on occasion negative andrude.

    Might trying to picture the other person with whom we are communicating as another human being, rather than an instant Google, be helpful?

    Equally, thanking people for their help doesn't cost anything!

    post #15 of 37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leo123View Post

    Blohan, I remember reading that thread and thinking that some members were being unnecessarily hostile and a little rude in response to your query. However, your reaction to this was probably not the best either and in many ways, was probably worse than the treatment you received initially.

    There's something to be said though about the way some thread posters are treated on this site. I often read some threads and subsequent responses from other members and wonder why some people choose to respond in such a negative, rude manner.

    Am I the only one who thinks this?

    No you're not the only one. It's gotten infinitely worse since the new site has come online.

    post #16 of 37
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by L'eaulitaView Post

    Oh change the record already. You're not a victim of anything but your own arrogance and ignorance. You've been bleating on about this on multiple threads now.

    You asked for the fragrances to smell that will make you an expert on perfume. You wanted a shortcut to be an expert and didn't get one.
    You blazed into a thread shooting your mouth off and criticizing a perfumer and his work, without even having tried it.
    You said ignorant and offensive things to people who keep perfume diaries, and thought it was funny when they said you were being disrespectful by judging them as too rich or broke.
    When people do offer you opinions, you essentially shoot them all down because you think you know everything.
    You also think anyone who disagrees with you are snobs.
    And then there are your "omg" hysterics about losing your sense of smell...and that's in between the endless White Diamonds/Madonna/Fracas worship.

    And lastly, you question everything. Get off your ass and Google once in a while, instead of sitting there waiting for someone to dump the answers in your lap. Read the wealth of information that's already on here. Use the search function.

    You were given many suggestions in that thread- harden up and go back in to retrieve it.

    Well if I ask it's OBVIOUS because I haven't found what I want on google, and I wasn't asking for shortcuts but that remark makes me think that you simply don't want to share any knowledge out of spite and want me to spend the thousands and thousands of dollars I'm sure you've spent on perfume, well it's not going to happen, and not giving me the answers doesn't make you any less petty.

    post #17 of 37
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hedonist222View Post


    Mr.Reasonable is an outstanding member on here.

    You need to think about your participation and attitude on here. It shan't be tolerated.

    I don't give a damn about your threats or who hedonist is. Don't care AT ALL.

    post #18 of 37
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leo123View Post

    Blohan, I remember reading that thread and thinking that some members were being unnecessarily hostile and a little rude in response to your query. However, your reaction to this was probably not the best either and in many ways, was probably worse than the treatment you received initially.

    There's something to be said though about the way some thread posters are treated on this site. I often read some threads and subsequent respoclass="

    7/13/13 at 11:29pm

    blohan said:



    The point of the thread was mainly so that I could save money because there are millions of fragrances out there and I can't try them all, and I simply didn't want to miss out on the ones that are important to know, and there is such a thing just like there is for books, movies and every artform. Some works are culturally, aesthetically and or technically significant and they must be known.

    I already have an idea, obviously number 5 I bought for that reason, Shalimar, Joy, Mitsouko, and Jicky are on my to buy list, what else, oh Pierre and Gallet's Eau de Cologne, which is the first eau de cologne, or mass produced perfume right? What else should I buy?

    7/13/13 at 11:32pm

    blohan said:



    Oh Number 19 is also on my list.

    7/14/13 at 12:00am

    Tony T said:



    Alien?

    7/14/13 at 12:57am

    blohan said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tony TView Post

    Alien?


    Are you serious?

    7/14/13 at 2:26am

    mr. reasonable said:



    Let's not.

    Use the Search function and if you want some help from people here try to grow some manners. Calling people bitchy, snobbish and hostile may impress a few of the brahs but the grown-ups have seen this sense of entitlement come and go a million times.

    This Sub-Forum is dedicated to discussion about the industry and general topics, BTW - you may find some traction in the Starting Out area - and try to say 'please'.

    7/14/13 at 2:29am

    blohan said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mr. reasonableView Post

    Let's not.

    Use the Search function and if you want some help from people here try to grow some manners. Calling people bitchy, snobbish and hostile may impress a few of the brahs but the grown-ups have seen this sense of entitlement come and go a million times.

    This Sub-Forum is dedicated to discussion about the industry and general topics, BTW - you may find some traction in the Starting Out area - and try to say 'please'.

    Being nice didn't get me anywhere around here; I know there are others who will help me and give me suggestions.

    7/14/13 at 2:30am

    L'eaulita said:



    Oh change the record already. You're not a victim of anything but your own arrogance and ignorance. You've been bleating on about this on multiple threads now.

    You asked for the fragrances to smell that will make you an expert on perfume. You wanted a shortcut to be an expert and didn't get one.
    You blazed into a thread shooting your mouth off and criticizing a perfumer and his work, without even having tried it.
    You said ignorant and offensive things to people who keep perfume diaries, and thought it was funny when they said you were being disrespectful by judging them as too rich or broke.
    When people do offer you opinions, you essentially shoot them all down because you think you know everything.
    You also think anyone who disagrees with you are snobs.
    And then there are your "omg" hysterics about losing your sense of smell...and that's in between the endless White Diamonds/Madonna/Fracas worship.

    And lastly, you question everything. Get off your ass and Google once in a while, instead of sitting there waiting for someone to dump the answers in your lap. Read the wealth of information that's already on here. Use the search function.

    You were given many suggestions in that thread- harden up and go back in to retrieve it.

    7/14/13 at 2:51am

    Kagey said:



    Don't feed the troll.

    7/14/13 at 5:17am

    trex57 said:



    Okay, heres a short list of the ones that I would ask you to try. Please, sample them first though.

    1. Idole-Lubin

    2.1270-Frapin

    3. Philosykos-Diptyque

    4. Eau de Sud-Annick Goutal

    5. En Passant-Malle

    6. Musc Ravageur-Malle

    7. Bahiana-Maitre Parfumer & Gantier

    8. Les Jeux son Faites-Jovoy

    9. Fusion sacree pour lui-Madja Bakali(IMO its unisex)

    10.Iris Gris (or Encens & Lavande)-Serge Lutens

    There are thousands of different scents out there as you mentioned, these are just a couple of ideas.

    Cheers

    Rex

    7/14/13 at 6:19am

    hedonist222 said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blohanView Post

    Being nice didn't get me anywhere around here, all I got were snobs and know-it-all selfish ASSHOLES like you the first time around. Not interested in hearing what the likes of you have to say at all, I know there are others who will help me and give me suggestions.

    Mr.Reasonable is an outstanding member on here.

    You need to think about your participation and attitude on here. It shan't be tolerated.

    7/14/13 at 6:27am

    Bigsly said:



    I wrote up a blog post about this but it's mostly from the "masculine" perspective. There's also the issue of reformulations. Why not start with the "Perfumes: The Guide" book? Bering a newbie is tough because you have to read and sample at the same time, trying to incorporate all the information, which for me took months (just to get the "basics" sorted out).


    Edited by Bigsly - 7/14/13 at 8:45pm

    7/14/13 at 6:36am

    Leo123 said:



    Blohan, I remember reading that thread and thinking that some members were being unnecessarily hostile and a little rude in response to your query. However, your reaction to this was probably not the best either and in many ways, was probably worse than the treatment you received initially.

    There's something to be said though about the way some thread posters are treated on this site. I often read some threads and subsequent responses from other members and wonder why some people choose to respond in such a negative, rude manner.

    Am I the only one who thinks this?

    7/14/13 at 8:14am

    Katana said:



    I've been learning for YEARS and still don't know a whole lot, there are really no short cuts - Google can yield a wealth of info (or Bing or whatever) use it. Sample a few, learn what notes smell like for yourself - also NO ONE can describe to you the scent of Jasmine, or sandalwood or whatever, it has to be experienced for yourself, sample when you can, go to stores and try all the testers, go to nice places when and if you can and if you can't do that for one reason or another read, and take a chance now and then ordering a sample online. ASK people what they are wearing if you smell something you like on someone they will be usually quite happy to tell you, well except for those few woman who say "Oh I don't even know..." YES they do - one last thing - it usually takes FAR longer to sit and wait for answers on a forum than it does to just look it up yourself and a person may answer whose taste is FAR different from yours so scent questions especially along the lines of "Will I like, or will people like" are often a spinning your wheels exercise

    7/14/13 at 10:07am

    lpp said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leo123View Post

    Blohan, I remember reading that thread and thinking that some members were being unnecessarily hostile and a little rude in response to your query. However, your reaction to this was probably not the best either and in many ways, was probably worse than the treatment you received initially.

    There's something to be said though about the way some thread posters are treated on this site. I often read some threads and subsequent responses from other members and wonder why some people choose to respond in such a negative, rude manner.

    Am I the only one who thinks this?

    Does the attitude of the O.P. in some of these cases influence the types of reply received, perhaps?

    Perhaps together with the recent tiresome spate of open trolling.

    Once a member has a reputation for reacting negatively (or argumentatively), subsequent threads may not be met with enthusiasm by regular posters, who may avoid the thread, leaving answering to others who might not initially be aware of the situation.

    I do agree, however, that some of the responses from members on both sides are on occasion negative andrude.

    Might trying to picture the other person with whom we are communicating as another human being, rather than an instant Google, be helpful?

    Equally, thanking people for their help doesn't cost anything!

    7/14/13 at 2:22pm

    Awakening950 said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leo123View Post

    Blohan, I remember reading that thread and thinking that some members were being unnecessarily hostile and a little rude in response to your query. However, your reaction to this was probably not the best either and in many ways, was probably worse than the treatment you received initially.

    There's something to be said though about the way some thread posters are treated on this site. I often read some threads and subsequent responses from other members and wonder why some people choose to respond in such a negative, rude manner.

    Am I the only one who thinks this?

    No you're not the only one. It's gotten infinitely worse since the new site has come online.

    7/14/13 at 4:33pm

    blohan said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by L'eaulitaView Post

    Oh change the record already. You're not a victim of anything but your own arrogance and ignorance. You've been bleating on about this on multiple threads now.

    You asked for the fragrances to smell that will make you an expert on perfume. You wanted a shortcut to be an expert and didn't get one.
    You blazed into a thread shooting your mouth off and criticizing a perfumer and his work, without even having tried it.
    You said ignorant and offensive things to people who keep perfume diaries, and thought it was funny when they said you were being disrespectful by judging them as too rich or broke.
    When people do offer you opinions, you essentially shoot them all down because you think you know everything.
    You also think anyone who disagrees with you are snobs.
    And then there are your "omg" hysterics about losing your sense of smell...and that's in between the endless White Diamonds/Madonna/Fracas worship.

    And lastly, you question everything. Get off your ass and Google once in a while, instead of sitting there waiting for someone to dump the answers in your lap. Read the wealth of information that's already on here. Use the search function.

    You were given many suggestions in that thread- harden up and go back in to retrieve it.

    Well if I ask it's OBVIOUS because I haven't found what I want on google, and I wasn't asking for shortcuts but that remark makes me think that you simply don't want to share any knowledge out of spite and want me to spend the thousands and thousands of dollars I'm sure you've spent on perfume, well it's not going to happen, and not giving me the answers doesn't make you any less petty.

    7/14/13 at 4:34pm

    blohan said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hedonist222View Post


    Mr.Reasonable is an outstanding member on here.

    You need to think about your participation and attitude on here. It shan't be tolerated.

    I don't give a damn about your threats or who hedonist is. Don't care AT ALL.

    7/14/13 at 4:37pm

    blohan said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leo123View Post

    Blohan, I remember reading that thread and thinking that some members were being unnecessarily hostile and a little rude in response to your query. However, your reaction to this was probably not the best either and in many ways, was probably worse than the treatment you received initially.

    There's something to be said though about the way some thread posters are treated on this site. I often read some threads and subsequent respoclass="





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