GUERLAIN Batch Codes: an attempt.

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    7/24/13 at 2:35pm

    Andre Moreau said:



    ok, it's only an attempt to decode Guerlain's batches,  somewhat difficult and complicate.

     

    Roughly said, the very important thing however is NOT the exact year of production, BUT the historical period.

    This means it's important to detect a perfume produced before 2010/2011 (IFRA Rules.... ) and, even better, before 1999/2000 (restriction of oakmoss, dismission of "animalic fixatives" such as real castoreum, real civet, etc, and replacement with their artificial substitutes).

    This is a general consideration, not specific for Guerlain.

     

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    UPDATED in September 2013

     

    Anyway,  specifically for Guerlain, let's start and see:

     

    from 1967 to 1982  (zig-zag boxes, with "medallion") : up to 8-digits batches

     

    bar-code appears in 1988

    green dot symbol appears in 1992-3

     

    Probably from 1980, until 1995 : AT LEAST 6 digits batch-codes 

    (6-digits-batches starting with S,P,W,Y = 1985-1988

                           with U, M, D  =between 1989-1991

                           with Z, J....  between 1992-1994)

     

    Since 1996 until 2001 : 5-digits-ONLY batch codes
    1996  5 digits starting with P

    1997  5 digits starting with S example  (SX 0 VR)

    1998  5 digits starting with V example (VR 0 VR)

    1999  5 digits starting with D example (DB 0 FS)

    2000  5 digits starting with M

    2001  5 digits starting with U  (example: UT 01 K)

     

    since 2002: 4 digits batch code

    2002  4 digits starting with 2

    2003  4 digits starting with 3

    2004  4 digits starting with 4

    and so on...

    2005 = 5XXX = (example 5C01)

    6XXX = 2006

    7XXX = 2007

    8XXX = 2008

    9XXX = 2009
    0XXX = 2010

    1XXX = 2011

     

    NOW restarting: 

    2XXX = 2012

    3XXX = 2013 

     

    Anyway remember this game it's only for curiosity: IFRA "restrictions" rules began, softly, in 1991, then worsened around 2000, and "ruined" completely from 2007 onwards.

     

    The real deal is knowing if a perfume is before 2007, or before 2000, or before 1990, so.... enjoy !!

    Andre


    Edited by Andre Moreau - 9/11/13 at 12:01pm

    7/24/13 at 2:46pm

    nfn1983 said:



    thank you for sharing...

    7/24/13 at 2:46pm

    nfn1983 said:



    thank you for sharing...

    7/24/13 at 3:34pm

    Andre Moreau said:



    Just arrived from a friend :

    6-digits-batch codes starting with U, M, Z are between 1988 and 1993; starting with J is 1979 or 1980.


    Edited by Andre Moreau - 7/24/13 at 3:48pm

    7/25/13 at 8:05am

    rowan- said:



    Useful to know - thank you! Going by this, it would seem that I have 4 Guerlains from between 1988 & 1993 and 1 from between 1985 & 1987. Do you know if there were any significant (i.e. IFRA-magnitude) changes during that period or immediately after it?

    Also, I wonder why Guerlain's batch codes are getting shorter rather than longer…

    7/25/13 at 8:20am

    Andre Moreau said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rowan- View Post

    Useful to know - thank you! Going by this, it would seem that I have 4 Guerlains from between 1988 & 1993 and 1 from between 1985 & 1987. Do you know if there were any significant (i.e. IFRA-magnitude) changes during that period or immediately after it?

    Also, I wonder why Guerlain's batch codes are getting shorter rather than longer…

     

    Probably things become too complicated and all letters were already "used". 

    Anyway for dating bottles you can check bottles too, Guerlain adopted the bar-code in 1988-1989, and the greendot symbol in 1994-1995.

     

    so:

    no barcode on the box means before 1988

    barcode only means between 1988-to- (probably) 1993

    barcode and greendot together means after 1993.

     

    Try to see bar-codes with/without greendots and you will have some clues. 

     

    And, simply said, before 2000 quality was very high,

    and before 1990 even better; so don't worry.


    Edited by Andre Moreau - 8/31/13 at 1:41pm

    7/25/13 at 8:44am

    rowan- said:



    Thanks again. The older one doesn't have a bar code on its box, and all the others do, so this corroborates the information on the batch codes.

    8/3/13 at 2:15pm

    rowan- said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Andre Moreau View Post

    Just arrived from a friend :

    6-digits-batch codes starting with U, M, Z are between 1988 and 1993; starting with J is 1979 or 1980.

     

    Andre, I just unearthed one with a 6-digit batch code starting with D - any idea what year that might be?

    8/3/13 at 3:02pm

    hednic said:



    I'm always fascinated that someone is able to decipher all of this. Very interesting.

    8/3/13 at 3:10pm

    martinijo said:



    Thanks Andre.
    Good work as usual...

    8/3/13 at 5:51pm

    badarun said:



    Thx Andre, finally some way to check out my Guerlains...

    8/3/13 at 9:48pm

    Arij said:



    There are sites already for this stuff, if you guys didn't know already.

     

    http://checkcosmetic.net/

     

    http://cosmeticswizard.net/

     

    http://cosmetic.momoko.hk

     
    No one can fool you now. 

    8/4/13 at 2:35am

    rowan- said:



    The sites are probably decent enough for fragrances purchased in the last decade or two but it seems that they can't deal with some of the older batch codes, which is why I find this post such a useful resource.

     

    Interestingly, I once ran repeated searches on checkcosmetic.net and it gave me different production dates for the same batch code (!) I suppose they're more concerned with product freshness and that by now, it can't matter much whether the perfume was made in 1983 or 1986.

     

    Anyway they must have fixed it since then. I tried it again today and it simply told me that my Guerlain batch code should be between only 3 and 5 characters long.