Lavender and Mint notes… non-EO?

    Lavender and Mint notes… non-EO?

    post #1 of 12
    Thread Starter 
    I've been playing around with a nice little English Lavendar / Japanese Mint thing. Simple, but really nice.

    The problem I'm having is that it's really "oil heavy." Even though I'm rounding it out with some chems, it's still mostly oil.

    The "mint' is giving my skin the "aftershave" effect, where it's a bracing, cooling feeling.

    And, unlike any of my other creations, the heavy oil is staining my shirts from the spray (not permanently).

    So…

    If one wanted to move BEYOND EOs for Mint and Lavender, what are my options?

    (I've already got Dihydromyrcenol, btw)

    Thanks in advance!
    post #2 of 12

    Beyond EO's: I used menthol crystals before in after shave, they are nice and definitely give this cooling sensation. Dilute to 10% in alcohol.

    But then again, take a look atWintergreen; it is probably a good one too: it's so concentrated you will only need a 1% to 5% dilution probably compared to Japanese Mint.

    For the Lavender, you could try Lavandin or Clary Sage, although EO's they could stain less. Or you could try the absolute.

    Probably a combination with dihydromyrcenol and ethyl linalool in combination with only small portions of the EO's from above can do the trick.

    Best,

    Jeroen.

    post #3 of 12

    Japanese Mint, Cornmint? It's so light, at least in the two versions I have, hard to imagine that you've got a staining issue.

    PA has Menthone to buy,

    Watermint

    http://www.pureessentialoils.com/proddetail.php?prod=5413

    Bergamot Mint

    http://www.aromaticsinternational.com/bergamotmint107?keyword=bergamot%20mint

    Inka Mint

    http://www.runcato.com/shop1/product_info.php?products_id=80

    And linalyl Acetate coud be a good helper for the Lavender, just look up a GC for Lavender's constituents for ideas... Personally, I can't stand Dihydromyrcenol...

    post #4 of 12
    Thread Starter 
    Thanks for all the responses!

    The Mint is really strong, so that's probably not my problem.

    I need to get my hands on some other lavender subs, other than Dihydromyrcenol (although I've been using it more as a booster, than a replacement).

    I also think that my "oily" residue problem stems more from my novice status: I've gotten pretty good at crafting the scents, but I still have some to learn about "finishing" the frag in a professional manner.

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    post #5 of 12

    Terpinyl acetate is, like dihydromyrcenol a good background fragrance in this case. For the lavender aspect ethyl linalool is an option. With these light background materials you can dillute your fragrance, which may solve your problem.

    post #6 of 12

    In wide lavender family Kashmir (Lavandula angustifolia, grown in high altitudes in Kashmir mountains), are colorless and very light, pure, translucid, spacious; absolutely not oily: http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/product/lavender-essential-oil-organic

    post #7 of 12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JungleNYCView Post

    I've been playing around with a nice little English Lavendar / Japanese Mint thing. Simple, but really nice.

    The problem I'm having is that it's really "oil heavy." Even though I'm rounding it out with some chems, it's still mostly oil.

    The "mint' is giving my skin the "aftershave" effect, where it's a bracing, cooling feeling.

    And, unlike any of my other creations, the heavy oil is staining my shirts from the spray (not permanently).

    So…

    If one wanted to move BEYOND EOs for Mint and Lavender, what are my options?

    (I've already got Dihydromyrcenol, btw)

    Thanks in advance!

    If you want the mint scent, but want to avoid that bracing, cooling, aftershave effect then what you want is DMO (de-montholised oil) which is in effect a waste product left over from production of menthol from corn mint: it is the menthol, strictly the l-menthol, that causes that effect.

    In addition to the other suggestions for lavender subs / boosters I would also consider linalyl acetate and ethyl linalyl acetate. Both are clear, very volatile liquids that should give no staining problems. Personally I also like Dimetol in this sort of blend - it's a bit like a cross between linalool and dihydromyrcenol but brighter and more sparkling and again a volatile, clear liquid.

    post #8 of 12

    Another good herbal / lavender note: Aphermate, I don't know how I could forget it.

    post #9 of 12
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chris BartlettView Post

    If you want the mint scent, but want to avoid that bracing, cooling, aftershave effect then what you want is DMO (de-montholised oil) which is in effect a waste product left over from production of menthol from corn mint: it is the menthol, strictly the l-menthol, that causes that effect.

    In addition to the other suggestions for lavender subs / boosters I would also consider linalyl acetate and ethyl linalyl acetate. Both are clear, very volatile liquids that should give no staining problems. Personally I also like Dimetol in this sort of blend - it's a bit like a cross between linalool and dihydromyrcenol but brighter and more sparkling and again a volatile, clear liquid.

    Thanks Chris! I actually didn't even think of Dimetol. I'll give it a try.

    And I'll also put DMO on the to-get list as well :)

    post #10 of 12
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by janmeutView Post

    Another good herbal / lavender note: Aphermate, I don't know how I could forget it.

    Any idea where to get some?

    :)

    post #11 of 12

    I don't see any small qty sellers in the USA. Although It's not expensive...

    post #12 of 12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JungleNYCView Post

    Any idea where to get some?

    :)


    Unfortunately I have no idea where to get it in the States. You could ask your usual supplier in the US, as Paul mentioned it is not a very expensive material.

    For the rest of the world De Hekserij would be a source :)

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    7/31/13 at 3:33pm

    JungleNYC said:



    I've been playing around with a nice little English Lavendar / Japanese Mint thing. Simple, but really nice.

    The problem I'm having is that it's really "oil heavy." Even though I'm rounding it out with some chems, it's still mostly oil.

    The "mint' is giving my skin the "aftershave" effect, where it's a bracing, cooling feeling.

    And, unlike any of my other creations, the heavy oil is staining my shirts from the spray (not permanently).

    So…

    If one wanted to move BEYOND EOs for Mint and Lavender, what are my options?

    (I've already got Dihydromyrcenol, btw)

    Thanks in advance!

    8/3/13 at 3:38am

    jsparla said:



    Beyond EO's: I used menthol crystals before in after shave, they are nice and definitely give this cooling sensation. Dilute to 10% in alcohol.

    But then again, take a look atWintergreen; it is probably a good one too: it's so concentrated you will only need a 1% to 5% dilution probably compared to Japanese Mint.

    For the Lavender, you could try Lavandin or Clary Sage, although EO's they could stain less. Or you could try the absolute.

    Probably a combination with dihydromyrcenol and ethyl linalool in combination with only small portions of the EO's from above can do the trick.

    Best,

    Jeroen.

    8/3/13 at 12:29pm

    pkiler said:



    Japanese Mint, Cornmint? It's so light, at least in the two versions I have, hard to imagine that you've got a staining issue.

    PA has Menthone to buy,

    Watermint

    http://www.pureessentialoils.com/proddetail.php?prod=5413

    Bergamot Mint

    http://www.aromaticsinternational.com/bergamotmint107?keyword=bergamot%20mint

    Inka Mint

    http://www.runcato.com/shop1/product_info.php?products_id=80

    And linalyl Acetate coud be a good helper for the Lavender, just look up a GC for Lavender's constituents for ideas... Personally, I can't stand Dihydromyrcenol...

    8/6/13 at 6:02pm

    JungleNYC said:



    Thanks for all the responses!

    The Mint is really strong, so that's probably not my problem.

    I need to get my hands on some other lavender subs, other than Dihydromyrcenol (although I've been using it more as a booster, than a replacement).

    I also think that my "oily" residue problem stems more from my novice status: I've gotten pretty good at crafting the scents, but I still have some to learn about "finishing" the frag in a professional manner.

    grin.gif

    8/7/13 at 12:30pm

    janmeut said:



    Terpinyl acetate is, like dihydromyrcenol a good background fragrance in this case. For the lavender aspect ethyl linalool is an option. With these light background materials you can dillute your fragrance, which may solve your problem.

    8/7/13 at 1:38pm

    Ramute said:



    In wide lavender family Kashmir (Lavandula angustifolia, grown in high altitudes in Kashmir mountains), are colorless and very light, pure, translucid, spacious; absolutely not oily: http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/product/lavender-essential-oil-organic

    8/12/13 at 10:29am

    Chris Bartlett said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JungleNYCView Post

    I've been playing around with a nice little English Lavendar / Japanese Mint thing. Simple, but really nice.

    The problem I'm having is that it's really "oil heavy." Even though I'm rounding it out with some chems, it's still mostly oil.

    The "mint' is giving my skin the "aftershave" effect, where it's a bracing, cooling feeling.

    And, unlike any of my other creations, the heavy oil is staining my shirts from the spray (not permanently).

    So…

    If one wanted to move BEYOND EOs for Mint and Lavender, what are my options?

    (I've already got Dihydromyrcenol, btw)

    Thanks in advance!

    If you want the mint scent, but want to avoid that bracing, cooling, aftershave effect then what you want is DMO (de-montholised oil) which is in effect a waste product left over from production of menthol from corn mint: it is the menthol, strictly the l-menthol, that causes that effect.

    In addition to the other suggestions for lavender subs / boosters I would also consider linalyl acetate and ethyl linalyl acetate. Both are clear, very volatile liquids that should give no staining problems. Personally I also like Dimetol in this sort of blend - it's a bit like a cross between linalool and dihydromyrcenol but brighter and more sparkling and again a volatile, clear liquid.

    8/15/13 at 5:57am

    janmeut said:



    Another good herbal / lavender note: Aphermate, I don't know how I could forget it.

    8/18/13 at 4:21am

    JungleNYC said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chris BartlettView Post

    If you want the mint scent, but want to avoid that bracing, cooling, aftershave effect then what you want is DMO (de-montholised oil) which is in effect a waste product left over from production of menthol from corn mint: it is the menthol, strictly the l-menthol, that causes that effect.

    In addition to the other suggestions for lavender subs / boosters I would also consider linalyl acetate and ethyl linalyl acetate. Both are clear, very volatile liquids that should give no staining problems. Personally I also like Dimetol in this sort of blend - it's a bit like a cross between linalool and dihydromyrcenol but brighter and more sparkling and again a volatile, clear liquid.

    Thanks Chris! I actually didn't even think of Dimetol. I'll give it a try.

    And I'll also put DMO on the to-get list as well :)

    8/18/13 at 4:23am

    JungleNYC said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by janmeutView Post

    Another good herbal / lavender note: Aphermate, I don't know how I could forget it.

    Any idea where to get some?

    :)

    8/18/13 at 8:53pm

    pkiler said:



    I don't see any small qty sellers in the USA. Although It's not expensive...

    8/20/13 at 10:33am

    janmeut said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JungleNYCView Post

    Any idea where to get some?

    :)


    Unfortunately I have no idea where to get it in the States. You could ask your usual supplier in the US, as Paul mentioned it is not a very expensive material.

    For the rest of the world De Hekserij would be a source :)





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