Montale decant explosion WTF? Storage question

    Montale decant explosion WTF? Storage question

    post #1 of 15
    Thread Starter 

    So, I purchased a 5ml decant of Montale Oud Cuir D'Arabie in the fall, and I have worn it probably four times since then (I have struggled with the opening which smells very strongly of gasoline to me, but once I get past that, WOW, I'm in love). I went to wear it today to see what it would be like in the heat, and was pretty shocked to find that the bottle had nothing in it, and there was a thick oily substance around the base of the bottle that had been soaked up by the wood of the cabinet I keep my fragrances in it smelled lightly of the fragrance. I was just curious as to what may have happened here, the lid of the bottle was on snug, and my house doesn't go above 76F in the summer, or below 63F in the winter. I have a cabinet shelf that is nothing but decants/samples in spray bottles, and this has never happened before. I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas, as I lost a substantial amount of a decant of a fragrance that isn't exactly cheap, and most importantly I hadn't yet decided if I could tolerate the opening!! Thanks for any thoughts, or ideas, the cabinet isn't hit by direct sunlight, nor is it really close to a vent in the house, I am stumped as to how this may have happened.

    post #2 of 15
    How much time had passed since the last time you wore it or checked its contents? Did you notice any other differences in any other of your decants or samples?
    post #3 of 15
    How strange. Maybe the bottle had something wrong with it?
    post #4 of 15
    Probably a defective bottle, I had a similar thing happen in one of my travel atomizers where the alcohol evaporated, leaving just the oil
    post #5 of 15
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    How much time had passed since the last time you wore it or checked its contents? Did you notice any other differences in any other of your decants or samples?

    I hadn't worn it since at least January/February as there was snow on the ground. I hadn't really checked it out for probably a couple of months. All the other decants and samples are fine. Hadn't thought about a bad bottle. Oh, being had by a bad bottle is officially a new pet peeve. Guess, I should be happy I have only had this one with as much as I sample stuff.

    post #6 of 15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MuskOxView Post

    I hadn't worn it since at least January/February as there was snow on the ground. I hadn't really checked it out for probably a couple of months. All the other decants and samples are fine. Hadn't thought about a bad bottle. Oh, being had by a bad bottle is officially a new pet peeve. Guess, I should be happy I have only had this one with as much as I sample stuff.

    Yea it could have been a lot worse.
    post #7 of 15

    A 100 ml bottle of Blue Amber did that to me, en route, from the store in Paris to the my house in the U.S.. I blamed it on the altitude of the flight and the cold winter temperatures. Now I see it happens even under optimal storage conditions. I'm sorry you lost your fragrance. I'm voting +1 on "bottle defect." Nothing you could have done to prevent it.

    post #8 of 15
    I've had that happen to samples but the oily residue was in the bottle.
    post #9 of 15

    never happened to me

    post #10 of 15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by purplebird7View Post

    I'm voting +1 on "bottle defect." Nothing you could have done to prevent it.
    I'd say it would have to be, but strange nonetheless.
    post #11 of 15
    Thread Starter 

    Anybody else think I should chip out the wood that soaked up the oil and burn it for home fragrance, or have I officially lost it? After all the wood does have a faint hint of the dry down lingering.laugh.gif

    post #12 of 15

    You are one, sick cookie.lolk.gif

    I say -- burn it.

    Actually, I'm in favor of your contacting Montale. Whether or not they replace the bottle, they need to hear from people that this is not an isolated incident. It's not like you're demanding a replacement. On the off chance, they might offer.

    post #13 of 15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by purplebird7View Post


    Actually, I'm in favor of your contacting Montale. Whether or not they replace the bottle, they need to hear from people that this is not an isolated incident. It's not like you're demanding a replacement. On the off chance, they might offer.
    Agree. Nothing to lose by asking.
    post #14 of 15

    If the stuff actually was ejected from the bottle while it was sitting upright, I'd say it was the direct result of a poorly designed sprayer.

    Air inside the bottle expands and contracts with temperature variations....even small variations. If the sprayer does not have some kind of working check valve inside which seals against pressure changes (which most good sprayers seem to have) each cooling cycle will draw a tiny bit of air down the tube and into the bottle, where the tiny bubble of air comes out the end of the tube and rises up through the fluid where it joins the existing air in the container.

    All good so far...

    But when the cycle reverses, and warmer temps expand the air in the bottle, it's not air that comes back out, but the fluid that the tube is immersed in instead.

    I suspect that most makers understand this basic principal, and incorporate a check valve in their spray mechanism that resists these pressure changes, but cheap sprayers may have no resistance to it at all, and hence you get a sort of pumping action that inevitably empties the container of its fluid.

    Also, the *more* air in the bottle to expand and contract (the fluid itself will not expand and contract) the more pronounced the action.

    I had a fellow send me a decant from overseas with a sprayer like this. It had been full when he sent it to me, with just a bit of air at the top, but it lost about....10% of its juice in shipping. When I mentioned this to him, he was kind enough to send me some more, in a bottle that was about 1/3 full, and by the time it made it here, and despite it's sprayer being screwed on tight, that bottle had pumped every single last drop of the juice out....because of the larger amount of air that was inside to expand and contract.

    Chemistry majors will also mention vapor-pressure concerns, and they may play also play a role as far as internal pressures are concerned, but for bottles that are stored upright yet still leak, in the long run it gets down to a lack of some kind of pressure-resistant check-valve in the sprayer I believe.

    post #15 of 15
    Thanks for that detailed explanation. I learned something completely new!
    class="

    8/1/13 at 4:22pm

    MuskOx said:



    So, I purchased a 5ml decant of Montale Oud Cuir D'Arabie in the fall, and I have worn it probably four times since then (I have struggled with the opening which smells very strongly of gasoline to me, but once I get past that, WOW, I'm in love). I went to wear it today to see what it would be like in the heat, and was pretty shocked to find that the bottle had nothing in it, and there was a thick oily substance around the base of the bottle that had been soaked up by the wood of the cabinet I keep my fragrances in it smelled lightly of the fragrance. I was just curious as to what may have happened here, the lid of the bottle was on snug, and my house doesn't go above 76F in the summer, or below 63F in the winter. I have a cabinet shelf that is nothing but decants/samples in spray bottles, and this has never happened before. I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas, as I lost a substantial amount of a decant of a fragrance that isn't exactly cheap, and most importantly I hadn't yet decided if I could tolerate the opening!! Thanks for any thoughts, or ideas, the cabinet isn't hit by direct sunlight, nor is it really close to a vent in the house, I am stumped as to how this may have happened.

    8/1/13 at 6:15pm

    hednic said:



    How much time had passed since the last time you wore it or checked its contents? Did you notice any other differences in any other of your decants or samples?

    8/1/13 at 6:25pm

    williampaul1969 said:



    How strange. Maybe the bottle had something wrong with it?

    8/1/13 at 6:33pm

    Switch245 said:



    Probably a defective bottle, I had a similar thing happen in one of my travel atomizers where the alcohol evaporated, leaving just the oil

    8/1/13 at 6:43pm

    MuskOx said:



    Quote:
    How much time had passed since the last time you wore it or checked its contents? Did you notice any other differences in any other of your decants or samples?

    I hadn't worn it since at least January/February as there was snow on the ground. I hadn't really checked it out for probably a couple of months. All the other decants and samples are fine. Hadn't thought about a bad bottle. Oh, being had by a bad bottle is officially a new pet peeve. Guess, I should be happy I have only had this one with as much as I sample stuff.

    8/2/13 at 6:18am

    williampaul1969 said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MuskOxView Post

    I hadn't worn it since at least January/February as there was snow on the ground. I hadn't really checked it out for probably a couple of months. All the other decants and samples are fine. Hadn't thought about a bad bottle. Oh, being had by a bad bottle is officially a new pet peeve. Guess, I should be happy I have only had this one with as much as I sample stuff.

    Yea it could have been a lot worse.

    8/2/13 at 6:25am

    purplebird7 said:



    A 100 ml bottle of Blue Amber did that to me, en route, from the store in Paris to the my house in the U.S.. I blamed it on the altitude of the flight and the cold winter temperatures. Now I see it happens even under optimal storage conditions. I'm sorry you lost your fragrance. I'm voting +1 on "bottle defect." Nothing you could have done to prevent it.

    8/2/13 at 4:18pm

    hedonist222 said:



    I've had that happen to samples but the oily residue was in the bottle.

    8/2/13 at 4:26pm

    Tony T said:



    never happened to me

    8/2/13 at 5:25pm

    hednic said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by purplebird7View Post

    I'm voting +1 on "bottle defect." Nothing you could have done to prevent it.
    I'd say it would have to be, but strange nonetheless.

    8/3/13 at 12:57am

    MuskOx said:



    Anybody else think I should chip out the wood that soaked up the oil and burn it for home fragrance, or have I officially lost it? After all the wood does have a faint hint of the dry down lingering.laugh.gif

    8/3/13 at 6:10am

    purplebird7 said:



    You are one, sick cookie.lolk.gif

    I say -- burn it.

    Actually, I'm in favor of your contacting Montale. Whether or not they replace the bottle, they need to hear from people that this is not an isolated incident. It's not like you're demanding a replacement. On the off chance, they might offer.

    8/3/13 at 7:30am

    hednic said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by purplebird7View Post


    Actually, I'm in favor of your contacting Montale. Whether or not they replace the bottle, they need to hear from people that this is not an isolated incident. It's not like you're demanding a replacement. On the off chance, they might offer.
    Agree. Nothing to lose by asking.

    8/4/13 at 3:24pm

    Birdboy48 said:



    If the stuff actually was ejected from the bottle while it was sitting upright, I'd say it was the direct result of a poorly designed sprayer.

    Air inside the bottle expands and contracts with temperature variations....even small variations. If the sprayer does not have some kind of working check valve inside which seals against pressure changes (which most good sprayers seem to have) each cooling cycle will draw a tiny bit of air down the tube and into the bottle, where the tiny bubble of air comes out the end of the tube and rises up through the fluid where it joins the existing air in the container.

    All good so far...

    But when the cycle reverses, and warmer temps expand the air in the bottle, it's not air that comes back out, but the fluid that the tube is immersed in instead.

    I suspect that most makers understand this basic principal, and incorporate a check valve in their spray mechanism that resists these pressure changes, but cheap sprayers may have no resistance to it at all, and hence you get a sort of pumping action that inevitably empties the container of its fluid.

    Also, the *more* air in the bottle to expand and contract (the fluid itself will not expand and contract) the more pronounced the action.

    I had a fellow send me a decant from overseas with a sprayer like this. It had been full when he sent it to me, with just a bit of air at the top, but it lost about....10% of its juice in shipping. When I mentioned this to him, he was kind enough to send me some more, in a bottle that was about 1/3 full, and by the time it made it here, and despite it's sprayer being screwed on tight, that bottle had pumped every single last drop of the juice out....because of the larger amount of air that was inside to expand and contract.

    Chemistry majors will also mention vapor-pressure concerns, and they may play also play a role as far as internal pressures are concerned, but for bottles that are stored upright yet still leak, in the long run it gets down to a lack of some kind of pressure-resistant check-valve in the sprayer I believe.

    8/4/13 at 3:45pm

    hednic said:



    Thanks for that detailed explanation. I learned something completely new!





Loving perfume on the Internet since 2000