Justifying your convidence that a distributor is safe

    Justifying your convidence that a distributor is safe

    post #1 of 11
    Thread Starter 

    Reading several (many) threads that explore fakes, I have come across a certain confidence about some of the best known distributors. I have bought perhaps five or six things from Fragrance.net, and have no reason to doubt the products I received or their products in general. So, please do not take this question as a back-handed indictment of them or other on-line retailers.

    So, after all that qualification, here is the question. Why do some of you say, with such authority, that something is "not a fake" if it was bought from a certain retailer? How and why do you have such confidence? I am not doubting you, I just want to hear the thought process behind your assertions.

    Of course, this is not a mere hypothetical scenario, as I am thinking about a rather high end product from a certain controversial company (reading between the lines is simple) but I am more interested in the above question (perhaps) than a discussion about a particular perfumer and their incidences of fake products. Tt does strike me as odd that I can get some high end products at Fragrance.net for half off (and come to think of it, some good designer fragrances for at least that off).

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    post #2 of 11
    My confidence in FragranceNet comes from buying from them over and over and always being happy with the outcome. Also, a companies reputation goes a long way in giving me peace of mind or warning me to stear clear. Not sure if this is as "concrete" of an answer you're looking for, but it's my thoughts on the matter.
    post #3 of 11

    It's like your barber..

    Been going to him for years..

    Then 1 day he's not their..

    Quit-called in or whatever..

    What do you do??

    let somebody else give you a haircut??

    Or hope he called in and come back the next day??

    post #4 of 11
    Looks like you answered your own question when you said:

    "I have bought perhaps five or six things from Fragrance.net, and have no reason to doubt the products I received or their products in general."

    That's going to be everyone's answer. Their trustworthiness has been earned by countless thousands.
    post #5 of 11
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RedRaider430View Post

    Looks like you answered your own question when you said:

    "I have bought perhaps five or six things from Fragrance.net, and have no reason to doubt the products I received or their products in general."

    That's going to be everyone's answer. Their trustworthiness has been earned by countless thousands.


    Well, if I thought it was only about reputation, clearly, I would not have asked. Maybe it will be everyone's answer, but my sense is that some people have thought through the notion of "gray" market and other potential factors.

    Thanks for the responses thus far.

    Thanks for the response

    post #6 of 11
    For me, I simply haven't noticed any definite difference in the quality of the product coming from Fragrancenet or similar discounter from a more mainstream channel like Nieman, Macy's or Nordstrom, so until I see a noticeable difference, I see no reason for myself not to go with the less expensive option.
    post #7 of 11
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by timmy-jView Post

    My confidence in FragranceNet comes from buying from them over and over and always being happy with the outcome.

    This is where my defense of a retailer will always come from, whether Fragrancenet or any other company. Also, most basenoters are experienced enough to know when a frag is fake or not, so when they say, "So and so doesn't sell fakes (and it's based on personal experience), chances are, they did not receive a fake.

    post #8 of 11

    I rely on the original brand owner to police the market of fake product. Fakes are much more rare than you might guess and relatively easy to shut down by the original company. Most companies go after fake product makers by filing law suit or getting court injunctions against the distributors and resellers and eventually work their way back to the source. I rely on the original company to aggressively protect their brands by stopping fakes at all stops of the distribution chain. At least that is my perception of how it works, whether it does or not.

    Mostly when I see discounted name brands sold online at a reduced price it is grey market products coming from large retailers who are managing inventory by unloading their excess inventory to online sellers (dumping it) to move it fast and for cheap prices. This happens all the time and is really difficult for the original brand owner to stop. Grey market tactics must happen and actually benefits everyone for these methods to continue. Did anyone notice that the month after Barneys closed their Dallas store all of a sudden lots of Serge Lutens bottles were being sold at 40% off at different fragrance online sellers until they ran out of stock. That inventory was genuine and I am sure it didn't come from Serge Lutens directly. Large retailers have to be able to discount their excess inventory somehow and this is mostly what is happening when we see highly discounted prices of big brands from online sellers.


    Edited by Buzzlepuff - 8/22/13 at 8:55am
    post #9 of 11
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BuzzlepuffView Post

    I rely on the original brand owner to police the market of fake product. Fakes are much more rare than you might guess and relatively easy to shut down by the original company. Most companies go after fake product makers by filing law suit or getting court injunctions against the distributors and resellers and eventually work their way back to the source. I rely on the original company to aggressively protect their brands by stopping fakes at all stops of the distribution chain. At least that is my perception of how it works, whether it does or not.

    Mostly when I see discounted name brands sold online at a reduced price it is grey market products coming from large retailers who are managing inventory by unloading their excess inventory to online sellers (dumping it) to move it fast and for cheap prices. This happens all the time and is really difficult for the original brand owner to stop. Grey market tactics must happen and actually benefits everyone for these methods to continue. Did anyone notice that the month after Barneys closed their Dallas store all of a sudden lots of Serge Lutens bottles were being sold at 40% off at different fragrance online sellers until they ran out of stock. That inventory was genuine and I am sure it didn't come from Serge Lutens directly. Large retailers have to be able to discount their excess inventory somehow and this is mostly what is happening when we see highly discounted prices of big brands form online sellers.

    An extremely helpful response; than you so much.

    post #10 of 11
    Thread Starter 

    Based upon the last response, I just purchased VIW from Fragrance.net. With the 21% off internet coupon I found, it was $133 for the 4 oz flask. Yes, the summer is ending here, but I do travel for work to hot, year round summer climates frequently (yes, this is my justification for buying something when I said I needed to chill out for a bit :)). Thanks to everyone for their helpful feedback.

    post #11 of 11

    Of course, this is not a mere hypothetical scenario, as I am thinking about a rather high end product from a certain controversial company (reading between the lines is simple) but I am more interested in the above question (perhaps) than a discussion about a particular perfumer and their incidences of fake products. Tt does strike me as odd that I can get some high end products at Fragrance.net for half off (and come to think of it, some good designer fragrances for at least that off).

    I've purchased many products from FragranceNet and have always been satisfied. Until I ordered a niche product from them - It was a off the cuff decision to order it and I didn't notice that it was a tester. It came without the cellophane, and it didn't smell anything like my sample of the product. I called and complained and there was no problem returning it without cost to me.

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    8/21/13 at 7:58am

    RichNTacoma said:



    Reading several (many) threads that explore fakes, I have come across a certain confidence about some of the best known distributors. I have bought perhaps five or six things from Fragrance.net, and have no reason to doubt the products I received or their products in general. So, please do not take this question as a back-handed indictment of them or other on-line retailers.

    So, after all that qualification, here is the question. Why do some of you say, with such authority, that something is "not a fake" if it was bought from a certain retailer? How and why do you have such confidence? I am not doubting you, I just want to hear the thought process behind your assertions.

    Of course, this is not a mere hypothetical scenario, as I am thinking about a rather high end product from a certain controversial company (reading between the lines is simple) but I am more interested in the above question (perhaps) than a discussion about a particular perfumer and their incidences of fake products. Tt does strike me as odd that I can get some high end products at Fragrance.net for half off (and come to think of it, some good designer fragrances for at least that off).

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    8/21/13 at 9:36am

    timmy-j said:



    My confidence in FragranceNet comes from buying from them over and over and always being happy with the outcome. Also, a companies reputation goes a long way in giving me peace of mind or warning me to stear clear. Not sure if this is as "concrete" of an answer you're looking for, but it's my thoughts on the matter.

    8/21/13 at 9:56am

    Tony T said:



    It's like your barber..

    Been going to him for years..

    Then 1 day he's not their..

    Quit-called in or whatever..

    What do you do??

    let somebody else give you a haircut??

    Or hope he called in and come back the next day??

    8/21/13 at 9:58am

    RedRaider430 said:



    Looks like you answered your own question when you said:

    "I have bought perhaps five or six things from Fragrance.net, and have no reason to doubt the products I received or their products in general."

    That's going to be everyone's answer. Their trustworthiness has been earned by countless thousands.

    8/21/13 at 10:25am

    RichNTacoma said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RedRaider430View Post

    Looks like you answered your own question when you said:

    "I have bought perhaps five or six things from Fragrance.net, and have no reason to doubt the products I received or their products in general."

    That's going to be everyone's answer. Their trustworthiness has been earned by countless thousands.


    Well, if I thought it was only about reputation, clearly, I would not have asked. Maybe it will be everyone's answer, but my sense is that some people have thought through the notion of "gray" market and other potential factors.

    Thanks for the responses thus far.

    Thanks for the response

    8/21/13 at 1:11pm

    hednic said:



    For me, I simply haven't noticed any definite difference in the quality of the product coming from Fragrancenet or similar discounter from a more mainstream channel like Nieman, Macy's or Nordstrom, so until I see a noticeable difference, I see no reason for myself not to go with the less expensive option.

    8/21/13 at 6:34pm

    Buysblind said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by timmy-jView Post

    My confidence in FragranceNet comes from buying from them over and over and always being happy with the outcome.

    This is where my defense of a retailer will always come from, whether Fragrancenet or any other company. Also, most basenoters are experienced enough to know when a frag is fake or not, so when they say, "So and so doesn't sell fakes (and it's based on personal experience), chances are, they did not receive a fake.

    8/22/13 at 6:31am

    Buzzlepuff said:



    I rely on the original brand owner to police the market of fake product. Fakes are much more rare than you might guess and relatively easy to shut down by the original company. Most companies go after fake product makers by filing law suit or getting court injunctions against the distributors and resellers and eventually work their way back to the source. I rely on the original company to aggressively protect their brands by stopping fakes at all stops of the distribution chain. At least that is my perception of how it works, whether it does or not.

    Mostly when I see discounted name brands sold online at a reduced price it is grey market products coming from large retailers who are managing inventory by unloading their excess inventory to online sellers (dumping it) to move it fast and for cheap prices. This happens all the time and is really difficult for the original brand owner to stop. Grey market tactics must happen and actually benefits everyone for these methods to continue. Did anyone notice that the month after Barneys closed their Dallas store all of a sudden lots of Serge Lutens bottles were being sold at 40% off at different fragrance online sellers until they ran out of stock. That inventory was genuine and I am sure it didn't come from Serge Lutens directly. Large retailers have to be able to discount their excess inventory somehow and this is mostly what is happening when we see highly discounted prices of big brands from online sellers.


    Edited by Buzzlepuff - 8/22/13 at 8:55am

    8/22/13 at 7:29am

    RichNTacoma said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BuzzlepuffView Post

    I rely on the original brand owner to police the market of fake product. Fakes are much more rare than you might guess and relatively easy to shut down by the original company. Most companies go after fake product makers by filing law suit or getting court injunctions against the distributors and resellers and eventually work their way back to the source. I rely on the original company to aggressively protect their brands by stopping fakes at all stops of the distribution chain. At least that is my perception of how it works, whether it does or not.

    Mostly when I see discounted name brands sold online at a reduced price it is grey market products coming from large retailers who are managing inventory by unloading their excess inventory to online sellers (dumping it) to move it fast and for cheap prices. This happens all the time and is really difficult for the original brand owner to stop. Grey market tactics must happen and actually benefits everyone for these methods to continue. Did anyone notice that the month after Barneys closed their Dallas store all of a sudden lots of Serge Lutens bottles were being sold at 40% off at different fragrance online sellers until they ran out of stock. That inventory was genuine and I am sure it didn't come from Serge Lutens directly. Large retailers have to be able to discount their excess inventory somehow and this is mostly what is happening when we see highly discounted prices of big brands form online sellers.

    An extremely helpful response; than you so much.

    8/22/13 at 7:56am

    RichNTacoma said:



    Based upon the last response, I just purchased VIW from Fragrance.net. With the 21% off internet coupon I found, it was $133 for the 4 oz flask. Yes, the summer is ending here, but I do travel for work to hot, year round summer climates frequently (yes, this is my justification for buying something when I said I needed to chill out for a bit :)). Thanks to everyone for their helpful feedback.

    8/23/13 at 9:59am

    foetidus said:



    Of course, this is not a mere hypothetical scenario, as I am thinking about a rather high end product from a certain controversial company (reading between the lines is simple) but I am more interested in the above question (perhaps) than a discussion about a particular perfumer and their incidences of fake products. Tt does strike me as odd that I can get some high end products at Fragrance.net for half off (and come to think of it, some good designer fragrances for at least that off).

    I've purchased many products from FragranceNet and have always been satisfied. Until I ordered a niche product from them - It was a off the cuff decision to order it and I didn't notice that it was a tester. It came without the cellophane, and it didn't smell anything like my sample of the product. I called and complained and there was no problem returning it without cost to me.





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