New Poll on starting threads

    New Poll on starting threads  

    post #1 of 23
    Thread Starter 

    I would like some input on allowing a person to start splits with 50 positive feedbacks (no negatives) as opposed to the 500 post requirement.

    post #2 of 23
    Someone who accumulated 50 positive feedback's did not do it overnight, so they must have been a member for quite sometime. Being they were all positive is a very good sign they could be trustworthy.

    I guess the other question, should they be allowed to do multiple splits without proving they have earned the trust to do so within the community?
    post #3 of 23
    Is this supposed to be in the mods section.
    post #4 of 23

    Sounds tougher than Ebay for sellers

    post #5 of 23
    I think it sounds like a good idea, but 50 may be a little high. If we assume the average swapper/seller does 2-3 swaps/sales in a month, it would take them almost 2 years to reach 50+ feedbacks. Also, I don't think that one negative feedback should disqualify someone from doing splits. People can be very picky about their bottles, and some may leave negative feedback when it's not warranted.
    post #6 of 23
    Thread Starter 

    It should be tougher than Ebay...

     

    Multiple splits are a separate issue for now. We can visit that later but for now the policy seems right.

     

    One negative may be ok on a case by case basis, as on rare occasions I have deleted a revenge negative or one clearly without any basis.

    post #7 of 23

    Pardon asking the obvious, but if one can't post splits, how is one to accumulate 50+ feedbacks in the first place?  There are only so many personal exchanges or swaps a person can make, and not all of those will result in any feedback whatsoever.  I've been a member relatively short time, about a year, and although I have exchanged or swapped a few items with some BN members, only one I think posted feedback, the other feedbacks I have are from splits I bought.  The way I see it is that people are more willing to leave feedback when it's an official split, whereas personal bottle swap or sale rarely results in feedback left for the other party.

     

    So basically one would have to BUY 50+ splits from someone else to get 50+ feedbacks, before they can offer anything as a split on their own...?

    post #8 of 23
    Thread Starter 

    I do not agree. I am not sure why one would be more likely to leave feedback for a split. Sometimes members, particularly new ones, do not know they are to leave feedback or how to do it. It does take time to get 50+ selling or swapping, but the need to afford some protection vs. those who collect perhaps thousands of dollars is not unreasonable.

     

    I will leave this open for a few more days...

    post #9 of 23

    Sounds ok to me.

    post #10 of 23

    I think 50 feedbacks is fine. 

    post #11 of 23

    I think 50 feedback OR 500 posts would be more reasonable, or a lower combination of both (10 feedback, 500 posts).  I have been on this site for nearly 3 years and dabble in selling and buying and only have + 13 feedback (no negatives), so at my pace under the new "50" I might be able to split in about 8 years...  There are a lot of people who been shown to be reliable but would not have the VOLUME of 50 feedbacks. Just my opinion.  Thank you.
     

    post #12 of 23

    Unless there is an oversupply of splitters you are trying to ward off then I don't agree with the outright 50 feedback.  You're essentially locking the splits down to those already doing them, members like the above and myself who might have been on the boards for years and have clocked up some positive feedback already would have years ahead of us before we could do a split.

     

    I think a mix would be good but only because it shows that you have participated in the process and you understand how splits work, I guess to a lesser degree that you are trustworthy but if you have 500 posts etc and are going to this hassle im inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt anyway.  If you really want to add an additional layer of protection then enforce splitters to sign up for basenotes vip as that way you know theres financial record of payment back to them so its not completely anonymous as someone with 500 posts or feedback could be.

    post #13 of 23
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    Originally Posted by Osi1s View Post

    Unless there is an oversupply of splitters you are trying to ward off then I don't agree with the outright 50 feedback.  You're essentially locking the splits down to those already doing them, members like the above and myself who might have been on the boards for years and have clocked up some positive feedback already would have years ahead of us before we could do a split.

     

    I think a mix would be good but only because it shows that you have participated in the process and you understand how splits work, I guess to a lesser degree that you are trustworthy but if you have 500 posts etc and are going to this hassle im inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt anyway.  If you really want to add an additional layer of protection then enforce splitters to sign up for basenotes vip as that way you know theres financial record of payment back to them so its not completely anonymous as someone with 500 posts or feedback could be.

    I have to agree with this view, and with that of remik above. How are members going to get 50+ feedbacks? Just from buying others' splits? This could take years, and relies on other members leaving feedback, which in my experience is very hit and miss. For myself, I'm only really interested in Guerlain vintage and a very few niche products. What is more, anyone based in the UK can neither send out fragrances nor participate in CONUS-only offers, limiting their potential participation enormously. Under these circumstances, how is someone going to reach 50+ feedbacks? 

     

    Either 50+ feedbacks or 500 posts - or a combination of lower scores for both - is fairer, imo. Much better still is the suggestion to use vip accounts to give some kind of security. 

     

    I'd love to host a split and am working my way up to 500 posts, but if Basenotes moved the goalposts I think I'd just give up here, to be honest.

    post #14 of 23
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Osi1s View Post

    Unless there is an oversupply of splitters you are trying to ward off then I don't agree with the outright 50 feedback. You're essentially locking the splits down to those already doing them, members like the above and myself who might have been on the boards for years and have clocked up some positive feedback already would have years ahead of us before we could do a split.

    I think a mix would be good but only because it shows that you have participated in the process and you understand how splits work, I guess to a lesser degree that you are trustworthy but if you have 500 posts etc and are going to this hassle im inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt anyway. If you really want to add an additional layer of protection then enforce splitters to sign up for basenotes vip as that way you know theres financial record of payment back to them so its not completely anonymous as someone with 500 posts or feedback could be.

    I am sure stuigi can answer better than me, but I am reading his question this way . . .

    The current standard for starting a split is a member in good standing (no negative feedback) with a minimum post count of 500. This person may have only a couple of positive feedback scores, but has reached the 500 post threshold, so under current policies, they may start a split.

    What I think is being asked, for a member with 50+ positives, but has not reached the 500 post minimum under split policies to start a split . Should this person be allowed to start a split.

    Stugi, if I am wrong in my assumption, please correct.
    post #15 of 23

    I don't think i'll do any splits in the future, but, I like this idea the most from all feedback I've read on this thread...

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Osi1s View PostIf you really want to add an additional layer of protection then enforce splitters to sign up for basenotes vip as that way you know theres financial record of payment back to them so its not completely anonymous as someone with 500 posts or feedback could be.
    post #16 of 23
    +1 on the VIP idea. That at least shows the person is serious about this hobby, and not just coming here to make a buck quickly. That's what eBay is for.
    post #17 of 23

    What will probably be shot down, but I would consider something like this:

     

    Maybe a new person could do splits, if they were to send $250 to Basenotes as a type of seller insurance policy.  BN could hold those funds and use to settle disputes in case of splitter malfeasance.  Once they obtained the 50 feedback or whatever, it would be sent back to them.  I'm sure BN isn't willing to touch something like that, but that could work to show seller good faith, and also provide recourse for buyers.

    post #18 of 23
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by remik View Post

    +1 on the VIP idea. That at least shows the person is serious about this hobby, and not just coming here to make a buck quickly. That's what eBay is for.

     

    Slightly off-topic, but how does one become a VIP anyway? I've looked but can't find any information.

     
    post #19 of 23