Timbuktu - what`s going on ...?

    Timbuktu - what`s going on ...?

    post #1 of 47
    Thread Starter 

    Dear fellow Basenoters, thanks for viewing & posting!

     

    Today I bought a L'Artisan Timbuktu with an extraordinarily golden juice. It is by far stronger than the bottle in use which I`ve bought about 18 months ago from my favourite seller. Both perfumes are really good. Both are close relatives. But the "older" has a pale colour and is more on the fresh, the one of today is more on the woody side with much more sillage, longevity, development.

    This makes me wonder. For quite a time I thouht that the one bought today might be a reformulated one - and the one in use might be the "original" formula.

     

    But I`m not sure anymore, because than the "reformulated" one would feel like a totally cranked up Timbuktu. Quite unusual in these times :-) :-)

     

    Anybody discovered similar things? Is there a "vintage" Timbuktu? Or has the scent improved with reformulation?

     

    All the best.

    Tim/Eule

     

    left: bought 2011/12.

    right: bought today.

     

     

    post #2 of 47

      Man, I can only hope that this is a trend for L'Artisan.

     

     The only L'Artisans that I have are all much stronger than the current juice.  In fact, I shy away from L'Artisan because of the sheer/transparent, weak nature of just about every current fragrance that I've tried.      

    post #3 of 47
    The engraving on caps look different. One might be an older batch or a counterfeit. Were they purchased from the same store?
    post #4 of 47
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by evogel View Post
     

      Man, I can only hope that this is a trend for L'Artisan.

     

     The only L'Artisans that I have are all much stronger than the current juice.  In fact, I shy away from L'Artisan because of the sheer/transparent, weak nature of just about every current fragrance that I've tried.     

     

    Hi evogel! Let`s wait & see what`s happening. This Timbuktu of today is perfect. Fingers crossed :) But I guess the batch I bought once is produced AFTER the Batch I got today. (They still have 3 bottles I saw ...)

     

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post

    The engraving on caps look different. One might be an older batch or a counterfeit. Were they purchased from the same store?

     

    Hi & thanks! Not same store - but both of good reputation.

    First bottle: "First in Fragrance"; second bottle: Heidelberg`s oldest perfumery (ParfĂĽmerie Frosch). The scents both are brilliant. Both definitely ARE Timbuktu. I`d prefer the one of today though. (And it looks "older" I`d say ...)

    post #5 of 47
    I'll check it out the next time I'm at the l'Artisan boutique.

    But yes, it does look more intense in your pictures.
    post #6 of 47
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hedonist222 View Post

    I'll check it out the next time I'm at the l'Artisan boutique.

    But yes, it does look more intense in your pictures.

     

    Dear hedonist! It would be nice to hear your opinion on this topic. Thanks a lot. May I ask which colour seems more common to you intuitively?

    post #7 of 47
    Frankly neither. The left feels too light & the right too dark. A shade in between the two.

    But I'll confirm soon.
    post #8 of 47
    I only ever came across the lighter version, but I will be on the lookout. Thanks for sharing this fascinating find.
    post #9 of 47
    Thread Starter 
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hedonist222 View Post

    Frankly neither. The left feels too light & the right too dark. A shade in between the two.

    But I'll confirm soon.

     

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rbaker View Post

    I only ever came across the lighter version, but I will be on the lookout. Thanks for sharing this fascinating find.

     

    Let`s see what`s happening the next days or weeks. Tomorrow I will talk to the perfumery who sold the darker one. Thank you for taking time, gentlemen.

    post #10 of 47
    Just checked my full bottle from years back. I have a 100ml with the old cap blue labeling. the liquid is closer to the darker one. have no idea what that means though.
    post #11 of 47

    I may have something of an answer for you.  But first, a couple of questions....

     

    Do you have the box?  If so, then what is the address of the Paris store on the back?  That will give you an indication of the age.

     

    I have been a fan of this house since late 2007 / early 2008, when I got into fragrance with LAP as my first niche house.  Since then, I have collected a fair number of their bottles, and many samples.

     

    I suspect that your darker bottle is an old bottle of intermediate age.  It is probably older than my first sample, but not as old as my super-vintage bottle.  I will post pictures momentarily.

     

    The most recent LAP address, which I find on the boxes of recently purchased bottles is:

     

    L'ARTISAN PARFUMEUR

    2, rue de l'Amiral de Colgny 75001 Paris

    209, rue Saint Honoré 75001 Paris

    www.artisanparfumeur.com

     

    An address of intermediate age, which I find on samples and bottles obtained in 2008 and for some time after, is:

     

    L'ARTISAN PARFUMEUR

    Jean Laporte

    12, place VendĂ´me 75001 Paris

    www.artisanparfumeur.com

     

    Finally, the oldest age I can find, which does not include a web address (late '90's, perhaps?) is:

     

    L'ARTISAN PARFUMEUR

    Jean Laporte

    26/27, PASSAGE D'ENFER 75014 Paris

     

    I only find this latter address on my oldest bottles.  None of my samples have this address.  These apparently old bottles have octagonal (not heptagonal) shape and round caps.  I have obtained four bottles like this - three with the oldest address, and one with the intermediate address.

     

     

    Two of the ones with the oldest address are Timbuktu.  They were colored as deeply as yours, or slightly deeper.  I gave one to a friend and kept the other.

     

    The smell of these old Timbuktu bottles is - like yours - unmistakably richer and deeper.  Before they settle, they almost seem to have off-notes, which is very typical of old vintage.  My first sample of Timbuktu, which predated 2008, smelled much clearer and more transparent when I first smelled it in 2008.

     

    Now - here is some speculation / detective work.

     

    Both of the Timbuktu bottles look remarkably like the ones that were at my old C.O. Bigelow, before it closed.  The third old style / old address bottle is Mure et Musc Cologne, which I did, in fact, get at C.O. Bigelow when they had a 75% off sale.  And the 4th one with the intermediate address looks like the same bottles of L'Eau de L'Artisan which were at C.O. Bigelow, and which I came close to buying.

     

    Unfortunately, I missed the big sale on L'Artisan Parfumeur when C.O. Bigelow closed a bunch of its shops.  HOWEVER, I'm pretty sure I still got in on the action, because I got my two bottles of Timbuktu and the one bottle of L'Eau de L'Artisan when Fragrancenet.com had a HUGE fire-sale on L'Artisan Parfumeur, shortly after that.

     

    So - I think that your richer bottle is simply vintage Timbuktu.  This fragrance definitely ages - but rather nicely. :happy:

    post #12 of 47
    Here are my Timbuktu pictures...

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    post #13 of 47
    Thread Starter 

    Oh my GOD how LOVELY is THIS!! Dear redneck, it`s 5.50 in the morning here, I get some coffee and be back. Thank you so much for this. Really touching :)

    What I already can say is: This Timbuktu case might get a thriller. Now: Coffee.

    post #14 of 47
    Thread Starter 

    Okay, now, I checked my Artisan stuff. These are my observations :)

     

    1. Yesterday was a tough day and I didn`t take a shower. Now this Timbuktu applied on late morning and just a little bit in the afternoon still lingers on me what indicates that it is much stronger than the pale version.

     

    2. The pale version is much weaker. As I bought it once, I really liked this perfume, but couldn`t smell it for myself after two or three hours anymore.

     

    3. Funny thing is: This is the address -

    L'ARTISAN PARFUMEUR

    2, rue de l'Amiral de Colgny 75001 Paris

    209, rue Saint Honoré 75001 Paris

    www.artisanparfumeur.com

     

     

    4. While this should date the golden juice to the newest batches - it really smells like the octagonal bottle you`re discribing. I have a few octagonal L`Artisan Santal-Bottles, opened and unopened ones, which carry the Laporte Address on Place VendĂ´me and in Passage d'Enfer. And these bottles can age and change the colour through exposure to air I guess. One of the sealed Santals has kept its slightly yellow-greenish note; the other one which is a used tester has turned to a slightly brownish-yellow and consists more of base notes.

     

    5. The colour of your vintage Timbuktu & how you`re describing its scent absolutely matches with my yesterday`s golden juice. So my first conclusion would be that there might be bottles around filled with older juice, packed in new boxes. The second conclusion is that Timbuktu might have been undergoing a reformulation which improved it (to my nose at least). REALLY NOT SURE. 

     

    6. Interesting is also the cap: The pale version`s cap is different to the golden one`s looking more oppulent. Tha cap of yesterday has a slightly more "mass-market" feel.

     

    Don`t know if this will keep its mystery. Let`s see what the day will bring. Dearest redneck, I honestly thank you for taking time & this good conversation. Let`s keep exploring :)

     

    Yours,

     

    Tim   

    post #15 of 47

    Just checked mine. I bought it 3 years ago perhaps. Heptagonal bottle, 50ml with heptagonal transparent cap. the address is place vendome, but without Jean Laporte. The color of the juice is intermediate, like perfumisto's. It smells pretty strong.

     

    cacio

    post #16 of 47

    9/19/13 at 10:05am

    Eule said:



    Dear fellow Basenoters, thanks for viewing & posting!

     

    Today I bought a L'Artisan Timbuktu with an extraordinarily golden juice. It is by far stronger than the bottle in use which I`ve bought about 18 months ago from my favourite seller. Both perfumes are really good. Both are close relatives. But the "older" has a pale colour and is more on the fresh, the one of today is more on the woody side with much more sillage, longevity, development.

    This makes me wonder. For quite a time I thouht that the one bought today might be a reformulated one - and the one in use might be the "original" formula.

     

    But I`m not sure anymore, because than the "reformulated" one would feel like a totally cranked up Timbuktu. Quite unusual in these times :-) :-)

     

    Anybody discovered similar things? Is there a "vintage" Timbuktu? Or has the scent improved with reformulation?

     

    All the best.

    Tim/Eule

     

    left: bought 2011/12.

    right: bought today.

     

     

    9/19/13 at 10:09am

    evogel said:



      Man, I can only hope that this is a trend for L'Artisan.

     

     The only L'Artisans that I have are all much stronger than the current juice.  In fact, I shy away from L'Artisan because of the sheer/transparent, weak nature of just about every current fragrance that I've tried.      

    9/19/13 at 10:15am

    Diamondflame said:



    The engraving on caps look different. One might be an older batch or a counterfeit. Were they purchased from the same store?

    9/19/13 at 10:30am

    Eule said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by evogel View Post
     

      Man, I can only hope that this is a trend for L'Artisan.

     

     The only L'Artisans that I have are all much stronger than the current juice.  In fact, I shy away from L'Artisan because of the sheer/transparent, weak nature of just about every current fragrance that I've tried.     

     

    Hi evogel! Let`s wait & see what`s happening. This Timbuktu of today is perfect. Fingers crossed :) But I guess the batch I bought once is produced AFTER the Batch I got today. (They still have 3 bottles I saw ...)

     

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post

    The engraving on caps look different. One might be an older batch or a counterfeit. Were they purchased from the same store?

     

    Hi & thanks! Not same store - but both of good reputation.

    First bottle: "First in Fragrance"; second bottle: Heidelberg`s oldest perfumery (ParfĂĽmerie Frosch). The scents both are brilliant. Both definitely ARE Timbuktu. I`d prefer the one of today though. (And it looks "older" I`d say ...)

    9/19/13 at 11:59am

    hedonist222 said:



    I'll check it out the next time I'm at the l'Artisan boutique.

    But yes, it does look more intense in your pictures.

    9/19/13 at 12:05pm

    Eule said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hedonist222 View Post

    I'll check it out the next time I'm at the l'Artisan boutique.

    But yes, it does look more intense in your pictures.

     

    Dear hedonist! It would be nice to hear your opinion on this topic. Thanks a lot. May I ask which colour seems more common to you intuitively?

    9/19/13 at 12:10pm

    hedonist222 said:



    Frankly neither. The left feels too light & the right too dark. A shade in between the two.

    But I'll confirm soon.

    9/19/13 at 12:37pm

    rbaker said:



    I only ever came across the lighter version, but I will be on the lookout. Thanks for sharing this fascinating find.

    9/19/13 at 12:49pm

    Eule said:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hedonist222 View Post

    Frankly neither. The left feels too light & the right too dark. A shade in between the two.

    But I'll confirm soon.

     

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rbaker View Post

    I only ever came across the lighter version, but I will be on the lookout. Thanks for sharing this fascinating find.

     

    Let`s see what`s happening the next days or weeks. Tomorrow I will talk to the perfumery who sold the darker one. Thank you for taking time, gentlemen.

    9/19/13 at 2:05pm

    hednic said:



    Just checked my full bottle from years back. I have a 100ml with the old cap blue labeling. the liquid is closer to the darker one. have no idea what that means though.

    9/19/13 at 7:18pm

    Redneck Perfumisto said:



    I may have something of an answer for you.  But first, a couple of questions....

     

    Do you have the box?  If so, then what is the address of the Paris store on the back?  That will give you an indication of the age.

     

    I have been a fan of this house since late 2007 / early 2008, when I got into fragrance with LAP as my first niche house.  Since then, I have collected a fair number of their bottles, and many samples.

     

    I suspect that your darker bottle is an old bottle of intermediate age.  It is probably older than my first sample, but not as old as my super-vintage bottle.  I will post pictures momentarily.

     

    The most recent LAP address, which I find on the boxes of recently purchased bottles is:

     

    L'ARTISAN PARFUMEUR

    2, rue de l'Amiral de Colgny 75001 Paris

    209, rue Saint Honoré 75001 Paris

    www.artisanparfumeur.com

     

    An address of intermediate age, which I find on samples and bottles obtained in 2008 and for some time after, is:

     

    L'ARTISAN PARFUMEUR

    Jean Laporte

    12, place VendĂ´me 75001 Paris

    www.artisanparfumeur.com

     

    Finally, the oldest age I can find, which does not include a web address (late '90's, perhaps?) is:

     

    L'ARTISAN PARFUMEUR

    Jean Laporte

    26/27, PASSAGE D'ENFER 75014 Paris

     

    I only find this latter address on my oldest bottles.  None of my samples have this address.  These apparently old bottles have octagonal (not heptagonal) shape and round caps.  I have obtained four bottles like this - three with the oldest address, and one with the intermediate address.

     

     

    Two of the ones with the oldest address are Timbuktu.  They were colored as deeply as yours, or slightly deeper.  I gave one to a friend and kept the other.

     

    The smell of these old Timbuktu bottles is - like yours - unmistakably richer and deeper.  Before they settle, they almost seem to have off-notes, which is very typical of old vintage.  My first sample of Timbuktu, which predated 2008, smelled much clearer and more transparent when I first smelled it in 2008.

     

    Now - here is some speculation / detective work.

     

    Both of the Timbuktu bottles look remarkably like the ones that were at my old C.O. Bigelow, before it closed.  The third old style / old address bottle is Mure et Musc Cologne, which I did, in fact, get at C.O. Bigelow when they had a 75% off sale.  And the 4th one with the intermediate address looks like the same bottles of L'Eau de L'Artisan which were at C.O. Bigelow, and which I came close to buying.

     

    Unfortunately, I missed the big sale on L'Artisan Parfumeur when C.O. Bigelow closed a bunch of its shops.  HOWEVER, I'm pretty sure I still got in on the action, because I got my two bottles of Timbuktu and the one bottle of L'Eau de L'Artisan when Fragrancenet.com had a HUGE fire-sale on L'Artisan Parfumeur, shortly after that.

     

    So - I think that your richer bottle is simply vintage Timbuktu.  This fragrance definitely ages - but rather nicely. :happy:

    9/19/13 at 7:34pm

    Redneck Perfumisto said:



    Here are my Timbuktu pictures...

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    9/19/13 at 8:56pm

    Eule said:



    Oh my GOD how LOVELY is THIS!! Dear redneck, it`s 5.50 in the morning here, I get some coffee and be back. Thank you so much for this. Really touching :)

    What I already can say is: This Timbuktu case might get a thriller. Now: Coffee.

    9/19/13 at 9:31pm

    Eule said:



    Okay, now, I checked my Artisan stuff. These are my observations :)

     

    1. Yesterday was a tough day and I didn`t take a shower. Now this Timbuktu applied on late morning and just a little bit in the afternoon still lingers on me what indicates that it is much stronger than the pale version.

     

    2. The pale version is much weaker. As I bought it once, I really liked this perfume, but couldn`t smell it for myself after two or three hours anymore.

     

    3. Funny thing is: This is the address -

    L'ARTISAN PARFUMEUR

    2, rue de l'Amiral de Colgny 75001 Paris

    209, rue Saint Honoré 75001 Paris

    www.artisanparfumeur.com

     

     

    4. While this should date the golden juice to the newest batches - it really smells like the octagonal bottle you`re discribing. I have a few octagonal L`Artisan Santal-Bottles, opened and unopened ones, which carry the Laporte Address on Place VendĂ´me and in Passage d'Enfer. And these bottles can age and change the colour through exposure to air I guess. One of the sealed Santals has kept its slightly yellow-greenish note; the other one which is a used tester has turned to a slightly brownish-yellow and consists more of base notes.

     

    5. The colour of your vintage Timbuktu & how you`re describing its scent absolutely matches with my yesterday`s golden juice. So my first conclusion would be that there might be bottles around filled with older juice, packed in new boxes. The second conclusion is that Timbuktu might have been undergoing a reformulation which improved it (to my nose at least). REALLY NOT SURE. 

     

    6. Interesting is also the cap: The pale version`s cap is different to the golden one`s looking more oppulent. Tha cap of yesterday has a slightly more "mass-market" feel.

     

    Don`t know if this will keep its mystery. Let`s see what the day will bring. Dearest redneck, I honestly thank you for taking time & this good conversation. Let`s keep exploring :)

     

    Yours,

     

    Tim   

    9/19/13 at 10:12pm

    cacio said:



    Just checked mine. I bought it 3 years ago perhaps. Heptagonal bottle, 50ml with heptagonal transparent cap. the address is place vendome, but without Jean Laporte. The color of the juice is intermediate, like perfumisto's. It smells pretty strong.

     

    cacio





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