ANIMAL SCENTS

    ANIMAL SCENTS

    post #1 of 67
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    I am planning to realize a project here with Basenoters about animal scents, more particularly with the little known Hyraceum.

    You can have info about this material and the little animal at the Hyraceum page.
     

    Hyraceum is the secret ingredient of Duchauffour and Denyse Beaulieu in "Aube a Seville".
     

    This project would be about the effect of Hyraceum on your favorite perfume. How would it change it in intensity, longevity, sillage and above all would it raise the attention of people on you, being a pheromone ingredient.

     

    It should be remembered that this aromatic material is rare, existing only in a small region of South Africa, where it is found in fossilized deposits whose number is very limited. As Hyraceum becomes known and requested, the deposits will likely be finished in 20 years or so.

    However, by fortune the animal who produces it cannot be killed or held in captivity for its perfume. Read the details on the Hyraceum page.

    post #2 of 67

    Hi & nice to meet you!

    Subscribed. Feels like a stunning quest. Well, I`ve read your site some weeks ago. I`m a lover of such materials in my perfumes and now ask myself where this note can also be found. Haven`t tried Seville a l' Aube yet. Will be back!

    Tim

    post #3 of 67
    Thread Starter 

    Ciao Tim. Welcome here.
    I believe that Duchauffour was the first one to use iHyraceum. An other interesting material for experiments would be Civet. Nowadays synthetic civet aroma is used in perfumes. It would be interesting to find out in which reformulated fragrances it was used and to add it again in them.

    I believe that Shalimar is one of those. I do not know if Jicky still does, probably basenoters will know better than I.

    post #4 of 67

    Ciao AbdesSalaam Attar (is this correct?)

    You`re mentioning precisely what I thought by reading of your suggestion this morning. I have good results adding Oakmoss E.O. to my Mitsouko & I`ve read about guys doing the same with Ambergris tincture. I know your website, but I`m not very deep into this Topic, deeply interested though. I`m practicing this refinery-thing quite lighthandedly by adding the oakmoss drop-wise until it gets close to my reference vintage-Mitsy.

    Nevertheless I`m thinking all the time about getting the Civet back into things like Kouros or recent Narcisse Noir & other stuff. Should be more of a task and would need dillutions I guess. It would also be intreresting adding those ancient animalics to some recent (niche-)classics (which would have to be found out at first, will think about it.)  

    Now night is falling, tomorrow's gonna be quite a bit of a work day. But definitely a Project I`d love to follow!

    Buonanotte!

    Tim
     

    post #5 of 67
    Thread Starter 

    Oak moss is one of the botanical materials that has a pheromonal dimension both in smell and in effect. Other ones are Vanilla, ribes, Buchu, Cumin, Sandalwood, Cinnamon, ecc...

     

    However the experiments would be about animal scents only at this point. If you have in mind to test adding Civet and Hyraceum to a reformulated frag notorious for its animal component, I would be glad to send you the material to do it, hoping that you will report your conclusions here.
    The shipping cost is at your expenses though, it is 9 euros by by paypal for trackable post office parcel (10/15 days to the US) or the double by UPS express. Or else the samples are free with any order passed at profumo.it.

    contact for samples: profumo@profumo.it

    AbdesSalaam

    post #6 of 67
    Ciao from the smartphone; hope this will be sent. Just in short now, will PM you later as I've had another idea. Would be glad to cooperate. Tim
    post #7 of 67

    Ciao. PM sent. I`d start with Kouros. We`ll keep in contact :)

    Favourite perfumes: Mitsouko, Timbuktu, Paco Rabanne pour Homme, Anthracite, Lonestar Memories & other Tauers, diverse Chypres & Fougères, Patchouli-themed scents, some Powerhouses (Kouros, Yat, Jules, Marbert Man, Zino)

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    Thread Starter 

    I am glad to see the big interest that this project elicits.
     

    Our experiment will start with Hyraceum and follow in a second step with Civet. This will allow us in the end to understand if Hyraceum (which is sustainable) can be a substitute for Civet (which is unsustainable)
     

    We shall work in team here, my part is to provide you with the material for the experiments. Your part will be that you make your experiments and report here the results.
     

    You will decide yourself with what fragrances you will make the experiments.

    Possibly it would be a reformulated fragrance that once contained animal ingredient, but this is not binding.
     

    How to enroll? Just write here in this thread the fragrance or fragrances that you would like to experiment with, and I shall PM you for the shipping of the material.

    How to realize the experiments? The material that I shall send will consist in dropper bottles , vials and a funnel. You will be able to blend your frags in the vials, spraying them in the funnel and adding drops of the Hyraceum tincture.

    What should you report: The experiments is aimed at observing the effect of Hyraceum on your favorite perfume. How would it change it in intensity, longevity, sillage and above all if it actually raises the attention of people on you, being a pheromone ingredient. It would be also interesting if you could be attent to the effect it has on your state of mind, emotivity, self assertiveness ecc..

    post #9 of 67

    Hi,

     

    I'd love to participate, great initiative! Fragrances I would suggest from my collection - Amouage Fate, Tom Ford Amber Absolute, Tom Ford Italian Cypress, Knize Ten, Bentley for Men Intense. What ever you would be interested in.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Mick

    post #10 of 67

    What an interesting idea!

    Unfortunately will have to pass due to domestic issues, but good luck & will be interested to read all about it!

    post #11 of 67
    Thread Starter 
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    Originally Posted by Mick_Trick View Post
     

    Hi,

     

    I'd love to participate, great initiative! Fragrances I would suggest from my collection - Amouage Fate, Tom Ford Amber Absolute, Tom Ford Italian Cypress, Knize Ten, Bentley for Men Intense. What ever you would be interested in.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Mick

     

    Instructions are in your PM, Mick.

    post #12 of 67
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    Instructions are in your PM, Mick.

     

    Received and actioned, thanks again!

    post #13 of 67

    I would love to try it.  Currently, I'm wearing aventus, l'eau d'issey, a-men and a-men pure malt.


    I do have a question, though.  Creed claims that Aventus has actual ambergris in it, which would already count as an animalic if they actually put it in, rather than one of the several synthetics touted as being "ambergris."  I have no idea how to verify that, but would love to find out.

     

    That being said, I have several other scents I'd be perfectly willing to try hyraceum with, and quite a few folks at work who'd be willing to smell the results.

     

    David

    post #14 of 67

    I have signed up for the experiment.

     

    In answer to your question, yes, Jicky has civet.  The last time I smelled the parfum, several years ago, it was a strong note, but not in the EDT.

     

    Natural perfumer Ayala Moriel makes a parfum called Treazon with hyraceum.  Here is the description:

     

    TREAZON

    84_3.jpgTuberose stems unveil toxic wintergreen; narcotic blossoms stare at death across the street. Nightfall. Window screens. Treazon is tuberose at its darkest and most dangerous moment – right after dark. From than on, the seemingly innocent little white flowers’ aroma is so intoxicating, that young ladies were prohibited from walking through tuberose fields, from fear that their decency will be betrayed, and their innocence defeated by lust. Treazon is a 2013 Indie FiFi Awards Nominee!

    Famlies: Floral

    Notes: African Stone TinctureAnise SeedBenzoin Siamese BirchCassis,Cinnamon Massoia BarkOrris RootTuberose Absolute Vanilla Absolute,Wintergreen

    post #15 of 67
    I've also sent an email so please don't dupe. If you're able to post to Australia then I'd love to take part.
    Modern Kouros is an obvious choice. Very interested to see the effect on Baudelaire and 1740 though. Also possibly Le Temps D'Une Fete since it's a floral that lends itself to further dirtying.
    post #16 of 67




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