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  • 13th January 2014, 08:12 AM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Interesting that different batches of oils are blended together for a more consistent odour profile. I thought they'd just blend everything together. Does this mean that some amount of oil is left behind?

    Also, I wonder if any of the Australian Santalum Album trees will be allowed to reach their full maturity before being harvested? Maybe this way they could offer a superior grade of oil in addition to the regular one (assuming an older tree would give a superior oil - maybe not?).
    Hello again Renegade,

    Santalum album or in this case Australian album oil is very stable - eg. its composition does not vary significantly from batch to batch however as a natural product, some variation does occur. The blending allows TFS to match a customers' previous order as closely as possible. The blending also achieves a more consistent product like champagne etc. If an oil was "out of whack' then it would be blended up or down for consistency.
  • 3rd January 2014, 09:24 PM
    lpp
    The results of the draw have been announced here
    http://www.basenotes.net/content/191...ift-Recipients
  • 3rd January 2014, 09:19 PM
    surge

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Man I love the new basenotes --- I hope I win...one thing I learned is that over the past 15 years the price has increased on a compound basis by 16 % per annum.
    Thanks for the opportunity and great article series. I love you guys!
    Oh well I missed the draw too -- congrats to the winners. Gotta pay more attention dammit lol.
  • 3rd January 2014, 06:41 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by elve View Post
    I had no idea that they use santalum alba roots to make oil. plus many other things. I'm glad to participate :)
    An elf! Hello Elve, you just missed the draw. The root oil was news to me too. All I can do now is wish you a Happy 2014 and hope you do not miss any other treats this year!
  • 3rd January 2014, 06:39 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    Oh Drat, was there a deadline that I've missed....? Too bad...

    I've been "watching" the Aussie Sandalwood industry grow, wading through the earlier versions of Sandalwood that had the note I don't like, I call it an "Oily parakeet cage" note.

    While on the exhibition floor last year in Long Beach California for the Cosmetics Chemists suppliers Day, I happened upon an Aussie Sandlewood distiller who said he'd worked at Mt. Romance, been in charge of something, and he knew exactly what note I was talking about, and he called it a "Cat's Piss" note. He promised me some samples of his new and improved Aussie Sandalwood, But I have yet to hear from him...

    I use the Aussie Sandalwood in some of my perfumes, where I can mask that oily parakeet cage note aspect.

    I know that I'm spoiled, but after being in Mysore in the late '80's, and enjoying the old mysore grades, and now I've acquired some 1930 Mysore sandalwood oil, I still have to give a nod to old mysore sandalwood. But I am waiting very patiently for the rise of the Aussie Star of Sandalwoods... :-) Hoping it improves every year...

    PK
    That is a great note description Pkiler. I have a smelt it too and called it a urinous note. This is not always a bad thing in perfumery which as you state can be masked. Sometimes it is a fleeting note. Very cool to have some vintage. I hope you can enjoy comparing your treasures to the new oil. No draw for you but the contact details are at the end of the post if that interests you. And a Happy New Year to you and your perfumes.
  • 3rd January 2014, 06:34 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    And the Sandalwood Oil Gift Recipients have been announced...
    Happy New Everything to you all for 2014 and Beyond.
  • 2nd January 2014, 06:53 PM
    elve
    I had no idea that they use santalum alba roots to make oil. plus many other things. I'm glad to participate :)
  • 2nd January 2014, 09:41 AM
    pkiler
    Oh Drat, was there a deadline that I've missed....? Too bad...

    I've been "watching" the Aussie Sandalwood industry grow, wading through the earlier versions of Sandalwood that had the note I don't like, I call it an "Oily parakeet cage" note.

    While on the exhibition floor last year in Long Beach California for the Cosmetics Chemists suppliers Day, I happened upon an Aussie Sandlewood distiller who said he'd worked at Mt. Romance, been in charge of something, and he knew exactly what note I was talking about, and he called it a "Cat's Piss" note. He promised me some samples of his new and improved Aussie Sandalwood, But I have yet to hear from him...

    I use the Aussie Sandalwood in some of my perfumes, where I can mask that oily parakeet cage note aspect.

    I know that I'm spoiled, but after being in Mysore in the late '80's, and enjoying the old mysore grades, and now I've acquired some 1930 Mysore sandalwood oil, I still have to give a nod to old mysore sandalwood. But I am waiting very patiently for the rise of the Aussie Star of Sandalwoods... :-) Hoping it improves every year...

    PK
  • 31st December 2013, 11:31 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by arlecchino View Post
    What a fascinating series of articles! Thank you Jordan.

    I had no idea at all that this industry had been in the planning to this extent in Australia since the '90's. It's very amazing when I think of the time, money, and foresight needed to accomplish this. I'm particularly impressed with the way the distillation process uses waste wood from the local timber industry and recycled water.

    It brings me joy that there continues to be such a demand for pure, natural santalum album oil and wood and that its value is still so strongly recognized. I like to imagine that if I were in Purna's place, I would make the same wise investment he did!

    I wish TFS all the best in their endeavors!
    Aha, a Purna avatar called Arlecchino in this the 21st century. Thank you for your fascination. It was fascinating to research and write up for you. Your good name is in the draw.
  • 31st December 2013, 11:28 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Fungusamongus View Post
    I'd like to be considered for the draw. Very curious about this oil as I am a sandalwood buff. What I learned that surprised me was the relatively low rate of cost increase per year (in the teens). My experience is that the price has been increasing faster. Maybe this is just retail in my region. I am excited about this project and very curious to smell how young oils like these compare to stuff distilled from older trees. Thanks!
    Nothing to consider; in the hat you go Fungusamongus. I hope that you can compare this young oil to vintage ones.
  • 31st December 2013, 11:25 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Darjeeling View Post
    Fascinating to read the description of how the Australian oil smelled and the possible impact of the Australian terroir on the product. It would be interesting to blind test this to make sure it wasn't due to some kind of expectation bias from knowing what is being sniffed.
    Hopefully it wasn't due to contamination from eucalypts in some way (e.g. small quantities of eucalyptus leaves getting into the harvest is thought to be responsible for a slightly minty quality in some Australian red wines).
    Those eucalyptus were planted in Issan in North East Thailand and drained the water table before anyone knew what was happening. They have cut them down now; a beautiful tree but only in its native habitat. All the best to you for conducting your own blind test. You are in the draw Darjeeling.
  • 31st December 2013, 11:21 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by DL Johnson View Post
    Thank you for a concise and informative history of the Sandalwood industry; especially pleased to read Australia's Santalum Album has been well received. I was surprised to find out the extent to which the plant was harvested (roots included!) and find comfort that forestry sustainability is being employed.
    Happy New Year to all!
    A Happy New Year upon You DL Johnson. I hope you find comfort with this oil. We will know soon as I have your good name in the hat for the draw.
  • 31st December 2013, 11:18 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinglsat View Post
    I was amused by the testers who could smell Australia in the new source of oil. I learned, to my surprise, that the oil improves with time.
    Very interesting series of articles, and thank you for the Giveaway.
    Ah, yes. Oud and Musk grains do the same like vintage wine. Popping you in the hat now Kinglsat.
  • 31st December 2013, 11:17 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennapa View Post
    Hi, Just got here, under the drawing wire. Now I need to go back and read everything. Thus far I learned that the Aussie sandalwood was worth more then the Mysore. Thank you.
    En pointe Jennapa. Right on time for the draw!
  • 31st December 2013, 11:10 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by juanderer View Post
    18% a year?!

    I was amazed to learn that there is a sandalwood- based wart removal product in R&D stages. I wonder what impact in the price inflation of sandalwood this will have if it proves successful.
    Juanderer The Wanderder? Cool name. Yes the R&D is a massive and rigorous operation. Ha, inflation, I wonder too. Now I will stop wondering and put your good name in the draw. We will draw this soon.
  • 31st December 2013, 11:04 PM
    Jennapa

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Hi, Just got here, under the drawing wire. Now I need to go back and read everything. Thus far I learned that the Aussie sandalwood was worth more then the Mysore. Thank you.
  • 31st December 2013, 03:10 AM
    Kinglsat

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    I was amused by the testers who could smell Australia in the new source of oil. I learned, to my surprise, that the oil improves with time.
    Very interesting series of articles, and thank you for the Giveaway.
  • 29th December 2013, 06:15 PM
    DL Johnson

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Thank you for a concise and informative history of the Sandalwood industry; especially pleased to read Australia's Santalum Album has been well received. I was surprised to find out the extent to which the plant was harvested (roots included!) and find comfort that forestry sustainability is being employed.
    Happy New Year to all!
  • 29th December 2013, 11:42 AM
    Darjeeling

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Fascinating to read the description of how the Australian oil smelled and the possible impact of the Australian terroir on the product. It would be interesting to blind test this to make sure it wasn't due to some kind of expectation bias from knowing what is being sniffed.
    Hopefully it wasn't due to contamination from eucalypts in some way (e.g. small quantities of eucalyptus leaves getting into the harvest is thought to be responsible for a slightly minty quality in some Australian red wines).
  • 28th December 2013, 06:09 AM
    Fungusamongus
    I'd like to be considered for the draw. Very curious about this oil as I am a sandalwood buff. What I learned that surprised me was the relatively low rate of cost increase per year (in the teens). My experience is that the price has been increasing faster. Maybe this is just retail in my region. I am excited about this project and very curious to smell how young oils like these compare to stuff distilled from older trees. Thanks!
  • 27th December 2013, 09:36 PM
    arlecchino
    What a fascinating series of articles! Thank you Jordan.

    I had no idea at all that this industry had been in the planning to this extent in Australia since the '90's. It's very amazing when I think of the time, money, and foresight needed to accomplish this. I'm particularly impressed with the way the distillation process uses waste wood from the local timber industry and recycled water.

    It brings me joy that there continues to be such a demand for pure, natural santalum album oil and wood and that its value is still so strongly recognized. I like to imagine that if I were in Purna's place, I would make the same wise investment he did!

    I wish TFS all the best in their endeavors!
  • 26th December 2013, 10:08 PM
    juanderer
    18% a year?!

    I was amazed to learn that there is a sandalwood- based wart removal product in R&D stages. I wonder what impact in the price inflation of sandalwood this will have if it proves successful.
  • 26th December 2013, 02:10 AM
    Ularewolf

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan88888888 View Post
    Over the edge you go Ularewolf and into the hat for the draw. If you win remember that this is an ingredient not a composed perfume. This oil is also young not vintage. Hours of fun ahead for you!
    Oh indeed. I want to experience the ingredients more. Thanks for this opportunity!
  • 26th December 2013, 01:59 AM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Over the edge you go Ularewolf and into the hat for the draw. If you win remember that this is an ingredient not a composed perfume. This oil is also young not vintage. Hours of fun ahead for you!
  • 26th December 2013, 01:19 AM
    Ularewolf

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    The smell of sandalwood is something I don't know if I've truly experienced, so the "what it smells like" section was particularly interesting to me since I see the different areas it's harvested gives off a different smell. So cool! I would love to have a little bottle of this to experience a true sandalwood experience and relate it to fragrances I have smelled.

    I also would love to dabble in fragrance-creation so this would definitely put me over the edge for that. :)
  • 22nd December 2013, 08:29 AM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    Thanks for the great series, Jordan. Interesting to read that the current price for the oil is above that for Indian Mysore oil. I read elsewhere a while ago that the end price is expected to drop when harvesting and production reaches its full potential to around $2700/kg (at around 3.7% yield) - which is still pricey!
    Hello Mark. Yes the market could very well do that or not! You have now been placed into the draw for a valuable and an historic oil.
  • 22nd December 2013, 08:26 AM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by TXAggie View Post
    I have a degree in Chemistry and Supply Chain Management so this series of articles was especially interesting to me. I would very much appreciate similar series on other essential oils. Thanks very much for the insight and history lesson.
    TXAggie, thank you for your comment. I learnt a lot myself in the research process for this series. Mentioning Supply Chain and History will place you in the drawl Just! With those qualifications I hope you have a rewarding and fascinating job.
  • 22nd December 2013, 08:20 AM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Cason View Post
    I am extremely surprised to learn the price of Australian sandalwood is more than the Mysore. That's hard to believe considering the price some charge for the oil. Maybe it's due to the availability. I prefer Australian myself. I have some oil from the nineties and it's Mysore but u think its inferior to Australian of today.
    Interesting Cason.Only your nose knows what it likes! Into the draw you go.
  • 21st December 2013, 07:56 PM
    TXAggie

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    I have a degree in Chemistry and Supply Chain Management so this series of articles was especially interesting to me. I would very much appreciate similar series on other essential oils. Thanks very much for the insight and history lesson.
  • 21st December 2013, 12:45 PM
    Mark
    Thanks for the great series, Jordan. Interesting to read that the current price for the oil is above that for Indian Mysore oil. I read elsewhere a while ago that the end price is expected to drop when harvesting and production reaches its full potential to around $2700/kg (at around 3.7% yield) - which is still pricey!
  • 21st December 2013, 11:15 AM
    Cason

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    I am extremely surprised to learn the price of Australian sandalwood is more than the Mysore. That's hard to believe considering the price some charge for the oil. Maybe it's due to the availability. I prefer Australian myself. I have some oil from the nineties and it's Mysore but u think its inferior to Australian of today.
  • 21st December 2013, 07:08 AM
    annamadeit

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    All great, big, relevant questions, for sure, Gimmegreen. I always think of sustainability (or anything else, for that matter) as rings on the water. Everything we do causes a definite ripple effect. But I'm afraid that as long as the sheer number of humans and their many actions on this earth so dramatically skews the fragile balance that true sustainability requires, no effort is ever going to be perfectly sustainable. I once worked on a Living Building Challenge, which has very strict rules about what is permissible. It was hugely challenging, and although everyone did the best they could, and in the end it was as good as we could get it, it still wasn't perfect. A humbling experience indeed. I think we just all have to highlight and cherish those that are trying, and realize that we can always do better. And most importantly - don't ever stop asking the difficult questions! :)
  • 21st December 2013, 07:04 AM
    annamadeit

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    See above...
  • 21st December 2013, 07:01 AM
    annamadeit

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Oops - I think I posted a reply in the wrong place... so sorry! It has been removed.
  • 21st December 2013, 06:25 AM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by JDBIII View Post
    Thank you for this fascinating series of articles. It certainly is inspiring to see sustainable practices used in the service of fragrance materials. I'm curious to know if there are any other surprises from other companies around the world who are trying to keep natural fragrance materials viable in an ever changing marketplace.
    If you come across a surprise from other companies JDB111 please let me know. At the moment I am investigating the Agarwood situation as it is in the red zone of Critically Endangered which is a mere two steps away from extinct. A similar situation exists to what was the sandalwood situation. In this case organic plantations have been planted across Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia and Viet Nam. The issue is the inoculation process which induces the Oud resin.

    These plantations have not all become successful. If this interests you my prelimary investigations (I have to say that the next link includes a reliable source in my opinion in case you think this is promotion) are in the article called The End of Oud.

    There is some good news though; you are in the draw.
  • 21st December 2013, 06:16 AM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by gimmegreen View Post
    Annamadeit has already voiced part of what I was going to say.
    I am beyond pleased that a sustainable source of good quality sandalwood is being cultivated.
    But I, too, must raise questions of wider sustainability.
    There is usually little that is ecologically sustainable about plantation monocultures, especially over large tracts of land. Ecological diversity is certainly lost - not just of the flora of that region. However, I'm sure a tree plantation is better than, say, cutting down rainforest to plant GM soy.
    Nonetheless monocultures tend to be green deserts. And what about pesticide use? It would be interesting to hear TFS's views on such issues.
    Then there is the question of social sustainability. Is the work generated benefitting the local population or does it rely on staff who have been brought in from outside? Is it displacing traditional livelihoods? Does the company try to maximize employment or is the bottom line the only thing that matters - ie greater use of machinery to minimize numbers employed?
    Maybe these are unfair questions but they belong in the larger picture of sustainability.
    I'm not sure my post qualifies for the draw - but no matter. I have greatly enjoyed reading the articles.
    Gimmegreen, firstly, questions about any commercial entity are never unfair. I can report that not only are our Aboriginal sisters and brothers employed on this project but that TFS also sponsors soccer teams from these same communities. I think that TFS, based on the scale of the project is certainly increasing livelihoods in the growing regions. Pesticides; I do not know but I am happy to investigate and then report the findings back to you here.

    Sure you are in the draw based on your second sentence.
  • 20th December 2013, 10:35 PM
    JDBIII

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Thank you for this fascinating series of articles. It certainly is inspiring to see sustainable practices used in the service of fragrance materials. I'm curious to know if there are any other surprises from other companies around the world who are trying to keep natural fragrance materials viable in an ever changing marketplace.
  • 20th December 2013, 09:59 PM
    gimmegreen
    Annamadeit has already voiced part of what I was going to say.
    I am beyond pleased that a sustainable source of good quality sandalwood is being cultivated.
    But I, too, must raise questions of wider sustainability.
    There is usually little that is ecologically sustainable about plantation monocultures, especially over large tracts of land. Ecological diversity is certainly lost - not just of the flora of that region. However, I'm sure a tree plantation is better than, say, cutting down rainforest to plant GM soy.
    Nonetheless monocultures tend to be green deserts. And what about pesticide use? It would be interesting to hear TFS's views on such issues.
    Then there is the question of social sustainability. Is the work generated benefitting the local population or does it rely on staff who have been brought in from outside? Is it displacing traditional livelihoods? Does the company try to maximize employment or is the bottom line the only thing that matters - ie greater use of machinery to minimize numbers employed?
    Maybe these are unfair questions but they belong in the larger picture of sustainability.
    I'm not sure my post qualifies for the draw - but no matter. I have greatly enjoyed reading the articles.
  • 20th December 2013, 09:04 PM
    annamadeit

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Haha - yes! I am dreadfully predictable... I would love to know the names of those host plants. What a fascinating symbiosis - no wonder the oil is precious!
  • 20th December 2013, 07:52 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by annamadeit View Post
    Fascinating reporting, Jordan. Ever since you told me about the new Australian sandalwood, I've wanted to know more, so this was great! I have a couple of thoughts:

    I wonder what is done to the soil after a harvest. Is it left fallow for a while or...? Being that it is a mono-culture, I imagine certain nutrients need replenishing. (For comparison, the lyptus plantations of Brazil are said to drain the soil of nutrients.) Is there a companion plant that can be grown together with the trees to replenish as they go?

    Also, I was astounded to see the variation in trunk shape (based on the cross section of the logs. I imagine it is quite a craft to be able to use a machine of that size and power to reveal the heartwood without damaging too much of it. Those white ants probably took a lot longer, but I can see why that would have worked.

    I love the fact that the oil is traceable back to its growing location. I wish we did better with the tropical woods we get from other countries. Sadly, there seem to be some notable holes in that supply chain. Not to mention the added confusion with renaming woods into trade names and brand names.

    Finally - I always love a good legend! This was a great read. Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to put it all together into such a comprehensive presentation. Love it!
    Anna, thank you. I know you to have a strong ecological conscience and a love for trees. I have never met a tree that I did not like. I will not pretend to know the answers to your pertinent questions. I will however report back here after some further investigation with the answers as I like to know everything too! As the Santalum album is a hemi-parasite it requires 3 host plants to survive. Maybe these host trees regenerate into the soil before the next planting? Ha, now I already know that you will want to know the names of the 3 host plants! OK, I will rustle them up for you and others who may be interested.
    Before I continue this research I will plant your good name into the green hat for this draw.
  • 20th December 2013, 07:44 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by yukiej View Post
    I love sandalwood, but I didn't know anything about how sandalwood is harvested, so this series was very interesting and educational for me. I was especially struck by how incredibly low yielding the whole process is (2-3%???). I would love to compare the different kinds of sandalwood oil side by side some day.
    3.7% oil yield for this crop Yukiej, which includes the oil from the roots and stump as well as the tree above the ground. Yes, the % was new to me too. I hope you can try the differences on each wrist and one way to have a chance to do so is to pop your good name into the draw. Done.
  • 20th December 2013, 05:07 PM
    annamadeit

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Fascinating reporting, Jordan. Ever since you told me about the new Australian sandalwood, I've wanted to know more, so this was great! I have a couple of thoughts:

    I wonder what is done to the soil after a harvest. Is it left fallow for a while or...? Being that it is a mono-culture, I imagine certain nutrients need replenishing. (For comparison, the lyptus plantations of Brazil are said to drain the soil of nutrients.) Is there a companion plant that can be grown together with the trees to replenish as they go?

    Also, I was astounded to see the variation in trunk shape (based on the cross section of the logs. I imagine it is quite a craft to be able to use a machine of that size and power to reveal the heartwood without damaging too much of it. Those white ants probably took a lot longer, but I can see why that would have worked.

    I love the fact that the oil is traceable back to its growing location. I wish we did better with the tropical woods we get from other countries. Sadly, there seem to be some notable holes in that supply chain. Not to mention the added confusion with renaming woods into trade names and brand names.

    Finally - I always love a good legend! This was a great read. Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to put it all together into such a comprehensive presentation. Love it!
  • 20th December 2013, 03:05 AM
    yukiej

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    I love sandalwood, but I didn't know anything about how sandalwood is harvested, so this series was very interesting and educational for me. I was especially struck by how incredibly low yielding the whole process is (2-3%???). I would love to compare the different kinds of sandalwood oil side by side some day.
  • 20th December 2013, 02:33 AM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Hackensack View Post
    So many of the natural elements that make perfumery great have taken a beating, I'm very encouraged that someone had the foresight (and business sense) to work on establishing a sustainable source for albam sandalwood. Now, if we can just be sure nobody reports an allergy so that IRFA bans the stuff..............Great set of articles!

    --oakmoss fan
    Hackensack I hope you are not a prophet! The conspiracy theory is that all naturals will be eventually be banned by the said body so perfumers have to buy from the aromachemical companies in a Monsanto-seed-type scenerio. I do not subscribe to this theory but it is interesting to follow the multitude of opinions. However I know of no deaths or handicaps from let us say, oakmoss! And it is not like perfumers use Deadly Nightshade in their 'fumes. A great cautionary comment though from you, thank you. Let's put you in the draw. Done.
  • 20th December 2013, 12:51 AM
    Hackensack

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    So many of the natural elements that make perfumery great have taken a beating, I'm very encouraged that someone had the foresight (and business sense) to work on establishing a sustainable source for albam sandalwood. Now, if we can just be sure nobody reports an allergy so that IRFA bans the stuff..............Great set of articles!

    --oakmoss fan
  • 19th December 2013, 09:32 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by daid View Post
    This is great and very educative series of articles. There are many interesting facts I've learned. The most important part for me is the one about the smell, part 7. I'm very happy to read positive opinions of those who have a huge experience with perfumes (Clayton, Portia, Suzanne). As the situation with Mysore sandalwood in India is rather bad, it sounds optimistic to have such a great alternative enriched with the virtues of Australian ground ("...a note of the Australian bush in it – but just a hint"-Suzanne R Banks, "...a fresh version of the Mysore, still rich and lavish but different."- Portia.) It would be interesting to make the same perfume with Mysore and Santalum Album just to see the particular differences. I think that there are perfumers who have already done this experiment in their laboratories. All in all, it seems encouraging.
    Someone will be making that (cannot say who just yet but the person is quoted in the series but had to do so incognito) and I can't wait to smell the results. The big difference will be the aging at the moment as this 'young' oil's scent profile will deepen and widen with time. Daid you are in the draw.
  • 19th December 2013, 09:12 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch245 View Post
    I found it very interesting that Germany was the principle buyer of raw mysore sandalwood in the 1900s. Not the first country that would come to mind! The series was concise and nicely written; well done Jordan.

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    Well Switch245 that was very interesting but why why why did Germany buy buy buy? Maybe you or another Basenoter can answer this question as my research was limited to English, Sanskrit, Pali, Hindi, Bahasa Melayu and Mandarin. Least you think I am showing off; Google Translate is a dear friend of mine. You have a very clever phone that has put you straight into the draw using Tapatalk!
  • 19th December 2013, 09:05 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by DuNezDeBuzier View Post
    Thank you for this very interesting series on Australian santalum album Mr. Jordan.

    Reading my way through, I could not help but notice the similarities between the plight of Sandalwood - Santalum album out of the mysore area of India and Agarwood/Oud - Aquilaria malaccensis out of India and southeast Asia.

    Would you know (and be able to share) whether TFS has entertained the cultivation/inoculation of agarwood/oud for commercial harvesting in anyway similar to its efforts with Santalum Album in Australia?

    Mr DuNezDeBuzier, a good comparison. I have just written a draft of a 14 part Oud series covering the plight, plantations and outputs from this wood. I like your question but I cannot answer it. I will though when I have an answer. As far as I know Aquilaria trees do not grow in Australia. Maybe no one has tried? Or maybe further research will reveal 7600 hectares ready for harvesting next year after successful inoculation some years ago? There are successful plantations of Agarwood but there are far more unsuccessful ones due to the inconsistent results from the inoculation process. You can cultivate the trees in pretty rows but they do not all produce the resin that is Oud. Back on topic: you are in the draw. Simplex Sigillum Veri to you.
  • 19th December 2013, 08:51 PM
    Switch245

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    I found it very interesting that Germany was the principle buyer of raw mysore sandalwood in the 1900s. Not the first country that would come to mind! The series was concise and nicely written; well done Jordan.

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  • 19th December 2013, 08:48 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by demcav View Post
    Reading this series of installments about TFS's success in reestablishing santalum album as a sustainable species is truly a dream come true! "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Thank you for sharing this wonderful news, and a chance to sample the results!

    Dream come true; Yes! Hope yours do too demcav. In this case patience and vision played a big role in actualization. Your name just leaped into the draw.
  • 19th December 2013, 08:46 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by joshuaang View Post
    I have learnt, rather superficially, that Australian album sandalwood smells similar to Mysore sandalwood, only stronger, although I'd have to smell it for myself to decide! Great series, Jordan :)
    Always the best way Joshua Ang. Only your nose knows what it knows. It will be interesting to smell this batch in 10-years. It will be a collector's item and it may even be in your collection. It will also be interesting for you if you win so into the draw goes your name.
  • 19th December 2013, 08:43 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Pharmacist_Blender View Post
    I've been fiddling around with the replacement arochemicals (ebanol, javanol, santaliff, sandella) for ages trying to find something I like. I'm excited to get a sniff of this new supply!!! I'm thrilled to hear the santalol levels are so high!
    Aha, something new to put in your potions! And a name for the draw; Pharmacist_Blender.
  • 19th December 2013, 08:41 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdboy48 View Post
    A very interesting set of articles ! I imagine that TFS is anxious to get on with their harvest, as 14 years is a long time to wait. In time, perhaps they will be growing even older trees ?

    I was particularly impressed by their greenhouses, and the number of seedlings they are producing every year !
    En pointe Birdboy48. Imagine if they waited 50 years! You would be reading this story in 2063. Half a lifetime in this day and age. Your name has flown into the hat for the draw.
  • 19th December 2013, 08:38 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingpharroh View Post
    I learned that the traditional method of sandalwood oil production is burying the cut logs in the ground so that white ants eat the outside wood leaving the oil carrying heartwood uneaten. I also learned that the fragrance of sandalwood is a natural repellant to those ants. I would have thought the yield from the sandalwood would be much higher than 3.7%. This was a great series Jordan, thanks for doing it and thanks for the draw!
    Aha, that was a traditional method used in Indonesia and probably all over South East Asia. The same ants are maybe not in Australia but you never know as they are very close neighbours; make that geographically close. They have issues. Thank you for reading Kingpharroh. You are in the draw.
  • 19th December 2013, 08:35 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Bande View Post
    Really interesting. I have always liked Sandalwood and sought it out in fragrances, but never realized how/where it came from. The idea that the stumps are ripped out to obtain the oil was eye opening to say the least. :)
    Hey Bande. Yes I loved the stump extractor as did a few others here. Maybe your name will be extracted from the draw which you are now in.
  • 19th December 2013, 08:34 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by nwguy View Post
    I found it interesting that Santalum album requires 3 different trees in order to grow.
    I also like how transparent TFS is being with the whole process, from picking through distillation, even being so careful about each batch. It's so nice that there is finally a completely legal source for the oil from this species. Hopefully it will decrease demand for its Indian counterpart and help curb the poaching of an already depleted terroir.
    I am interested to know how this compares with the native spicatum in its profile and how it blends.
    I hope you find out nwguy. One way could be to put you in the draw. Done.
  • 19th December 2013, 08:31 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by fhayat View Post
    I had used the original sandalwood prayer beads from India and can"t wait to smell this"new genre" of sandalwood .
    A very enlightening and informative series
    I am often enlightened here myself Fhayat. 'New genre' - sure, such succinctness puts you in the draw. Succincticity to you!
  • 19th December 2013, 08:28 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by rattus_st View Post
    As a sandalwood lover, it's great to read that the Australian santalum album is now being planted and harvested sustainably and that it can rival the Mysore sandalwood in terms of fragrance profile.
    These have been very informative articles. Thank you for sharing.
    You are very welcome Rattus St. I have been chasing the story since 2012. I am so happy to be able to share this with you. Into the hat goes your good name.
  • 19th December 2013, 08:24 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by davido22 View Post
    The most inspiring thing I learned was about the Buddha's scent hut. I have been experimenting with the release of fragrances in contained spaces and the description of the disciples bringing their santal to burn in his presence gave me a sense of spiritual deja doppelganger. So far I am using my own little fumigation tent with my electric incense burner for safety's sake. I would love to put this Australian santal in a diffuser and annoint myself with its healing magick.
    Peace David. The Perfumed Chamber was a thrill to discover. Fumigation tent; photo please. I have been bathing in Australian album! Wafting your name into the draw now.
  • 19th December 2013, 08:19 PM
    Jordan88888888

    Re: Article: Sandalwood Dreams, Part 8: Uses and Markets + Sandalwood Oil Giveaway

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinan View Post
    I for one am glad to see a viable replacement on the verge. The synthetic takes on sandalwood just do not compare. This gives me hope that current houses can have some of their scents return close to or to their former glory. This entire series has been quite refreshing and has made me aware that there is an effort to find a viable replacement. I cannot wait to see what the future stores!
    It is a 'feel good' story in many ways especially as the effort has been successful. A nice change from the nightly news which I never watch. Sometimes I spray Trayee (Mysore Sandalwood) on my left wrist and Le Labo’s Santal 33 (Synthetic Sandalwood) on the right wrist just to enjoy the difference in wafts. This will also tune one's nose to these differences.

    Trayee
    Santal 33

    Zinan you are in the draw.
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