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    Re: Recommend me a LEATHER scent

    The funny thing is leather has no smell of its own--it's a preserved product. The notes we associate with leather come from the vat liquors and the conditioners that are applied after tanning--mostly...
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    fragrances new to me

    I have several questions

    I has anyone tried Bklyn Dry Goods and D.S. Durga's Spent Musket Oil?

    Has anyone tried D.S. Durga's Bitter Rose, Broken Spear?

    How about Union's Gunpowder Rose or...
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    Re: How can you tell gender?

    Free speech? This wouldn't be the first Internet Discussion Forum where free speech went begging. The fact that there is a portion of the membership that would like to explore such questions is of no...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    There are several mis-perceptions, particularly about kilt, here...

    First, no one that I know wearing the kilt swings his hips. It is a function of gait pure and simple. This is akin to people who...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    First off, I'm not attacking anyone for wearing whatever they want. That's an assumption that you...and perhaps a few others with private agendas...are imposing on this conversation. So defend...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    Several of your posts seem to be imputing motives for people that are too personal for you to have any basis for making other than wishful thinking or speculation.

    If people refuse to accept the...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    Hmmm...well, I suppose "welcome" may have been too strong a word. I think if someone gave me flowers out of the blue, I be bemused. I like flowers. I love the smell of rose and lily of the valley and...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    It is in the world I live in, cully...and the world my father lived in, and his father before him, time out of mind.

    I don't begrudge you the right to create (if you can) a "brave new world" that...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    It's alright to give a woman whatever she wants on her birthday. Many women would welcome flowers. Most men I know wouldn't.

    Why does that seem like "stating the obvious?"
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    I never said nor implied that. It's a self-inflicted wound if you took it that way.



    I would respectfully point out that I must share that interest to some extent...I'm not just wearing Old...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    You know, the fact is that I've been here a while...despite the low number of posts that some find unconscionable...but I mostly listen and absorb. I try to spend at least as much time learning as...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    It's a toss up between Annick Goutal's Eau du Fier, Fumidus and a weird homemade blend of vintage English Leather and rectified birch tar. In that order. I also like Yatagan, Vintage Tabarome,...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    Yes, we are more than flesh and blood...even if there is no evidence to support that proposition. But the discussion is not, never has been...at least not in my mind... whether we can rise above our...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    I think the biggest problem I have with these remarks is this:



    I don't see that our perceptions of masculinity or femininity has changed much if at all in 40,000 years. Some gender roles have...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    Posts 121 & 122 take this thread further away from the OP's intent but I, personally, don't think that we can or should try to dictate the direction a discussion can go, anymore than we can or should...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    If that's the case, I apologize. I read it wrong. The internet doesn't let us hear tone of voice or see facial and bodily expressions.

    Again, my apologies.
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    You'll pardon me...but you quoted me. If you're gonna quote me, read me...that way you'll know what I said and what I believe.
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    ^ See post #88. I don't know any circumstance where kibitzing is considered polite.
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    No offense taken...I recognize sarcasm almost immediately when I see it. But I notice that a lot of "these" types of conversations (this one too) tend to start out serious and innocent (mostly) and...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    Har har...quite the wit! But I think there's a misconception here....most of us who see these things a little more starkly, do so for different reasons than you may want to believe.

    Fragrance,...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    Not at all. I thought your remarks were earnest and cogent. Few people can have a real discussion (as opposed to prattling chit-chat) without disagreement...it's in the nature of people, being...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    No worries, mate. I've been steam-rolled by better minds and certainly more coherent ones...even if they do have more than 100 times the posts I do.
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    I don't know that fragrances...particularly marketed fragrances...are intrinsically male or female. But if we accept that there are real, demonstrable differences in gender...both physically and...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    ^+1000




    "A glass with you, sir" :beer:
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    I don't think much would change...people like me, who prefer certain notes, would still prefer those notes. People who wanted to thumb their noses at convention would still be waggling their fingers....
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    This is an astonishing remark if only because if you think about it, every discussion on this forum falls into that category...some folks detect celery in Yatagan, some do not. some think Kouros is...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    Brain Sex: The Real Difference Between Men and Women, Anne Moir, David Jessel

    Here's four pages or so by way of introduction...
    ...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    That's the kind of thing I had in mind...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    Stereotyping--that strikes me as one of those old bugaboos used to scare small children and uncertain personalities. I don't prefer "masculine" scents because I lean toward one stereotype or another....
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    I know you won't agree but I don't think conditioning has anything to do with it. As if we were entirely receptive to brainwashing and could not ever transcend it. I think we come into this world...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    I think you are certainly correct...fragrances themselves have no inherent gender but aren't certain notes associative?

    That said, food smells seem to be neutral...or moreso, than wood notes or...
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    Re: gender sensibilities

    Cultures and cultural biases don't exist in a vacuum. They are expression of deep seated predilections and preferences....sensibilities that speak to us on a level that no amount of rationalization...
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    gender sensibilities

    I guess I ought to start out by saying that although some folks will insist that it is all "in the nose of the beholder," and others that there is no difference whatsoever...if we start with the idea...
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    Re: Leather - a study in 3 parts

    I've never smelled a leather fragrance that smelled like leather. leather is a cured and preserved product. Most leather that we come into contact with...close enough to smell it...is some sort of...
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    Re: Anthropomorphizing Scents

    Profumum Fumidus:

    "I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun."

    Chergui:

    "You know how to...
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    Re: Frag to wear to see a WWII-planes airshow?

    Vintage Tabarome...according to urban myth, both Winston Churchill and Humphrey Bogart wore it.
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    Re: DURO Vs Fumidus Vs LUI

    If anyone has any fumidus that they'd like to sell as a decant...PM me, please.
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    Re: Really smokey fragrances - Tourmaline, Fumidus

    Fumidus is one of the most unique. It is quite daunting at first but really mellows out quite nicely. Good silage and longevity.

    Black Tourmaline doesn't last long on me and smells a little, I...
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    Re: Tobacco scent with best sillage and longevity?

    fumidus
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    gun powder notes?

    Any fragrance out there with gunpowder (black powder) notes in the dry-down and good silage and longevity?
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    Re: Favourite leather fragrances?

    I think the problem is that leather is a strange beastie. It's very hard to isolate the notes that people associate with leather.

    First, most of the leather we come into contact with is chrome...
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    Re: Favourite leather fragrances?

    This is pretty weird but I bought a couple of 5 ml glass atomizers and I filled one with some original English Leather. Then I added a drop or so of rectified birch tar.

    The result smells as much...
  43. Poll: Re: Why do people think perfume and men is a gay combination?

    I suspect you are quibbling. And I think that to some extent the idealized, philosophically grandiloquent, dismissal of what is just common sense...with ample anthropological underpinnings...is more...
  44. Thread: Yatagan

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    Re: Yatagan

    I enjoy Yatagan very much. On me there is no celery and little that could be called animalistic. Body chemistry must have a lot to do with the wildly disparate perceptions expressed about it here,...
  45. Poll: Re: Why do people think perfume and men is a gay combination?

    I think it is a societal thing--the sterotypes that have been given credence in our cultures. Obviously, not all cultures have taken that tack.

    That said it may also be a "survival"...
  46. Poll: Re: Next purchase, something thats not as sweet? (Dirty English vs. Michael Kors)

    I've never tried the MK but I do have and like the Dirty English. The only problem is that it has poor longevity and silage on me.

    I agree with Yatagan. One of my all-time favourites!
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    most under-rated

    With my limited experience...Eau du Fier by Annick Goutal.
  48. Re: If you could only choose one cologne, what would be your choice?

    Eau du Fier by Annick Goutal. But since it is not widely available in the US, my backup would be Yatagan
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    Re: Michael Storer fragrances.

    I don't want to flog a dead horse here but I just wanted to point out that I don't/didn't want to demean any one's reviews or opinions...not the amateurs (I'm certainly in that group) nor the...
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    Re: Michael Storer fragrances.

    No, that's absolutely true...when you market something it is open for criticism. I made that self-same point in my original remarks.

    But the fact is that 99% of the people out there with...
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    Re: Michael Storer fragrances.

    I'll tell you something...I've worked with my hands for better than 35 years--made 99% of my income from creating beautiful, functional items for people. There's as much creativity and yes, even Art...
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    Re: Michael Storer fragrances.

    Just my two cents, but anyone who is creative...and certainly Michael Storer fits in that category...will recognize the conundrum--you put a crucial bit of yourself into your work ["you step up to...
  53. Thread: New Year's Eve

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    Re: New Year's Eve

    My wife wore Issey Miyake and I wore Monk. she overwhelmed me but I am sitting here about to retire and i still smell the Monk. All I could smell was vanilla at first but after a couple of hours of...
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    Re: glass vs. plastic

    Well, Thank you...that's kind of what I figured...I might even have made a similar remark in my original post but I do have some decants that are in plastic and I do wonder how long they will last.
    ...
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    glass vs. plastic

    I don't use fragrances every day, so I can go a long time on a 5ml decant (maybe as much as a year...given that I don't always wear the same frag).

    I read on this forum (?)...somewhere...that...
  56. Re: Need recommendation. Tauer L`Air du desert marocain, or Profumum Fumidus?

    Fumidus can be downright nasty in its opening and hang there for literally hours--on a stale cigarette note. Once that passes, it mellows out into a very warm men's club accord--dark wood and scotch...
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    Re: questions about new layout

    Thanks..I don't know why I didn't see that.
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    questions about new layout

    Why are some posts listed with a blue icon of envelopes while others have a pink icon? What does it mean?

    What happened to the male/female gender sigils that attended (voluntarily) usernames and...
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    Re: What do you think of Sonoma Studios?

    Thank you.

    Man that's a great site. I hope they do well with their fragrances because they give you so much information about each one and so many options--you can buy one ml samples, 5ml...
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    Re: What do you think of Sonoma Studios?

    where does one get a sample of Fireside Intense?
  61. Thread: do you remember?

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    Re: do you remember?

    I don't know why but this doesn't work for me. I am a registered member of Ebay but this link puts me into a sign in screen and when I enter my UN and PW it just recycles itself. :(
  62. Thread: real leather

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    Re: real leather

    Thank you. I've ordered a decant of Or Black. If you know someone who's got a couple of ml's of Cuiron to sell, I'd be grateful.
  63. Thread: do you remember?

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    Re: do you remember?

    I suppose my nose has moved on but I wish I could find even a 99.9% empty bottle just to smell it once again. Of course, it would be great to have enough to wear it once or twice. Nothing on Ebay.
    ...
  64. Thread: do you remember?

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    Re: do you remember?

    Man!! You're good!! I think that's it! The bottles look right...both Live Oak and Green Moss are ringing bells, as is the Nine Flags brand name.

    Would these have ever come in a set? I don't...
  65. Thread: do you remember?

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    Re: do you remember?

    I think you're trending in the right direction--I'm sure it must have been a "mall" fragrance (although we had some pretty high end men's department stores in Minneapolis in the '60's). But the...
  66. Thread: real leather

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    Re: real leather

    You're right...it's not. After a while some of these descriptions sort of run together and I have it firmly in my mind that all the Montales have a prominent note of rose running through the...
  67. Thread: real leather

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    Re: real leather

    I'd like to try Cuiron but TPC doesn't have it and i haven't see it on Crystal Flacon or Scent Splits either. i don't know where to get a decant.
  68. Thread: do you remember?

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    Re: do you remember?

    I don't think so. I wore English leather around that time as well. I think I would have remembered.
  69. Thread: real leather

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    Re: real leather

    That's another one I looked at. But something in the reviews made me back off a bit...was it something about just smoked cigarettes?

    I really liked the idea of Profumum's Fumidus and on several...
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    Re: real leather

    Mudassir,

    Great you jumped in! I was about to contact you ...but wanted to sort through this issue first. Of the ones mentioned, the Cuir d'Arabie and the Helmut Lang Cuiron seem the most...
  71. Thread: real leather

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    Re: real leather

    Interesting. But I'm not sure what would make this smell of leather unless it is the birch.

    More importantly I generally try to sample a fragrance through TPC and they don't seem to know it...
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    Re: real leather

    You're not offending me...it does seem strange until you think about why a person does this--it's dern sure not for the money.:D there's lots of reasons why a person makes shoes ....don't get me...
  73. Thread: powdery?

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    Re: powdery?

    Will I get desenex in Vintage Tabarome?
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    Re: real leather

    One further bit of information...I am a bespoke shoe and bootmaker. I know what leather smells like in all its variations of tannage and currying--that's why I included the word "real" in my op. I...
  75. Thread: do you remember?

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    do you remember?

    I've been wanting to ask this question for a long time but I needed to hone in on my memories from 40 years ago. I think I've recalled about as much as I'm going to, so...

    Back in the sixties, I...
  76. Thread: real leather

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    real leather

    I'm looking for a leather fragrance...I read and followed up on the recommendations in a recent thread on this subject but most of the examples weren't really what I'm looking for...

    I'd like to...
  77. Thread: powdery?

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    powdery?

    I've noticed in the reviews here on BN that many of the "older" fragrances are described as being "powdery" or having a powdery note. Seems loke I picked that up in a review of vintage tabarome and...
  78. Thread: birch tar

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    Re: birch tar

    The Winter Woods sounds good and Creed's Cuir de Russie would be ideal if it were available anywhere.

    Most of the others were either designed for women or sound too floral or citrusy for my...
  79. Thread: birch tar

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    birch tar

    I really like the smell of birch tar. My favorite fragrance right now is Eau du Fier. Very nice.

    I tried Kolnisch Juchten (the real deal) but it smelled too powdery on me. My brother-in-law said...
  80. Thread: profumum fumidus

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    Re: profumum fumidus

    Well, I did misunderstand. I thought there were spritzers that would fit on the 1ml bottles...I don't know why I thought that. Now that I think about it, it seems ridiculous.

    Thanks for...
  81. Thread: profumum fumidus

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    Re: profumum fumidus

    I have heard of these sprayers that will fit in the 1ml vials but I've not seen any. Where did you get yours...or did I misunderstand?
  82. Thread: profumum fumidus

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    Re: profumum fumidus

    Thank you!

    Finally some definitive advice on how much to use from one of these pesky 1ml samples. A spritz or three is one thing but trying to apply any significant fraction of 1ml with that...
  83. Thread: profumum fumidus

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    profumum fumidus

    I got some samples of this and I quite like it. However, it seems like it doesn't last long.

    I also love (is that a word that applies?) Eau du Fier...it lasts all day and into the next morning on...
  84. Rote Farina Marke Kolnisch Juchten Eau de Cologne - Vintage

    I hope I'm not violating some rules here but I posted something on this a week or two ago.

    I have a 2.5ml glass atomizer from TPC (two spritzes missing).

    I don't care for the frag.

    I know...
  85. Thread: pure oud

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    Re: pure oud

    Where do you get these?
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    Re: pure oud

    But it says you have to be a previous customer who "purchased Kilian or other Oud fragrances."

    ???

    BTW...when one gets one of these tiny samples with the little plastic dipstick...how do you...
  87. Thread: pure oud

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    pure oud

    Does anything come close to ByKilian Pure Oud?
  88. Thread: Pure Oud

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    Re: Pure Oud

    Pure Oud is available at TPC in decants up to 5ml.

    What 'd like to know is if there is anything else that comes even close to the same accord?
  89. Thread: Profumum Roma.

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    Re: Profumum Roma.

    Where can you get a sample or a decant of Fumidus? TPC is out of it.
  90. Thread: Kolnisch Juchten

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    Re: Kolnisch Juchten

    According to TPC, Johann Maria Farina and Rote Farina Marke are the same [from the description: Johann Maria Farina (Rote Farina Marke) - Farina Gegenuber. ] and all I got was a 2.5ml decant. A 2...
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    Re: A new way to bend the gender barriers :)

    Well, I don't think my speculation went back so far as "monkey ancestors." 40, 000 years ago, we're definately talking about homo sapiens. And, if fact, 40,000 ybp it's homo sapiens sapiens that is...
  92. Thread: Kolnisch Juchten

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    Re: Kolnisch Juchten

    Well, this is Rote Farina Marke Kolnisch Juchten Eau de Cologne - Vintage.



    I know what the notes are supposed to be but having worked with oak tanned, valona tanned, sumac tanned, chestnut...
  93. Thread: Kolnisch Juchten

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    Kolnisch Juchten

    I recently acquired a decant of Kolnisch Juchten. I got it because the reviews here and at another site all raved about it as one of the best leather accords.

    Folks...I am a bespoke boot and...
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    Re: A new way to bend the gender barriers :)

    Well, I'm not a fragrance historian but I have read some history and I have a few friends that are bona fide historians.

    Based on what I know....I think the whole historical bit is a red herring,...
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    Re: A new way to bend the gender barriers :)

    I don't share your admiration of the "dandy"...either in modern times or in historic terms. The dandy has always been associated with a certain effete sensibility...something that perhaps derives...
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    Re: A new way to bend the gender barriers :)

    Since your questions don't seem to be in response to the OP, I am going to assume they are directed at me. I don't think it makes a difference whether I've heard of them or not. I suspect the...
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    Re: A new way to bend the gender barriers :)

    I know this won't be a popular sentiment, but this is the way I see it...

    There is no such thing as a masculine fragrance made for women. Or a feminine fragrance that men can wear. There is only...
  98. Re: Young gentlemen (ladies being welcome too) of powerhouse, conservatism and classi

    Oh, aye.

    But I'd never see the kilt as in any way feminine. It predates trousers and has too many militaristic associations (see my avatar)...and women never wore anything so "exposed" until...
  99. Re: Young gentlemen (ladies being welcome too) of powerhouse, conservatism and classi

    http://www.thehcc.org/discus/clipart/bigglasses.gif Kind of like this?

    http://www.bootmaker.com/pics/dresskilt2sm.jpg

    http://www.thehcc.org/discus/clipart/beers.gif
  100. Re: Young gentlemen (ladies being welcome too) of powerhouse, conservatism and classi

    Let's be fair--none of my choices...as one set of examples...even begins to resemble a barbershop. Most barbershop fragrances are just as insipid as any contemporary floral arrangement of notes.
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