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    Re: List of safest synthetics?

    Miniature perfumes... best to search in collectibles/ miniature perfumes then search for someone selling a 'lot' of several. Generally someone not selling other perfumes, just getting rid of a whole...
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    Re: List of safest synthetics?

    Nice links Pears... lots of things I will scale back on using those lists.
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    Re: List of safest synthetics?

    You won't be able to tell with strips sent in the mail. Most perfumers have standard and favorite materials they use, and suggesting otherwise... you might be insulting them.

    Try this:
    buy a...
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    Re: List of safest synthetics?

    If you want to switch to chemicals, at first avoid those mentioned in my post above... they are completely overused in most perfumes and will make a sensitive person uncomfortable, to say the least....
  5. Re: Genetics, Concentration, Dilution, Hyperosmia, Parosmia, etc.

    Do you think it has something to do with previous exposure too? So many times people are anosmic because there is no reference. They may not have used perfume much, and won't recognize synthetics as...
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    Re: List of safest synthetics?

    1. water
    2. carrier oil
    3. alcohol
    4. materials safe at > 40%
    5. materials safe at > 30%

    No big secrets coming out, just look for more IFF loyals: ethylene brassylate, Iso E Super, hedione,...
  7. Re: Melon accord - attempt, fail, and observation.

    good one, though I don't get any melon vibe, just ozone sillage monster. I know helional can kick c-7 and melonal across a room.
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    Re: i love pistachio ...

    Well looks like these things occur in nature so much... it would be hard to avoid.
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    Re: Problem with aldehyde C-12 MNA

    Can you just remix without it? If trace is bothering you in there, it may not belong at all. Then put some ratio of the first mix in with some part of second mix in a third container and let all 3...
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    Re: i love pistachio ...

    Ah! I have been looking for flavor exract perfume formulas I did not realize that much benzaldehyde would be in there but thinking about it, remember pistachio does have slight cherry taste.
    Does...
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    Re: Bringing a fragrance to market

    State regulations, local regarding manufacturing, FDA compliance and familiarity with laws as applies to cosmetic.
    Following IFRA guidelines is optional, not law.
    Some sell online and take a risk,...
  12. Re: "Burping" and the General Aging of Fragrances

    :laugh: I had to look up ange'ls share... and found a 'buttload' IS a unit of measure.
  13. Re: "Burping" and the General Aging of Fragrances

    I want an oak barrel in 10 ml sizes. I could just drill some holes and get corks :)
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    Re: can someone describe immortelle

    That would probably be best but I find myself interested more in top chemicals in there, and others descriptions help define most impressionable chemicals. I feel like from these responses I could go...
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    Re: can someone describe immortelle

    Also would anyone say 'flower that is not floral...'
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    Re: can someone describe immortelle

    Thank you so much everyone now I remember the search it had nothing to do with floral but memory scent I was working on -
    Is anyone getting a location memory - barn or stables or field or hot summer...
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    Re: Peach essential oil

    Sugar alcohol.....so is rum!
    I found the site its Australia don't know the laws but the bioalcohol companies are using deceptive practices that trick some perfumers somehow, that there no...
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    Re: Peach essential oil

    Well for perfume safe ingredients stick with perfume suppliers.... or make your own ingredients.
    I think there are only a couple of places in the world you can buy alcohol perfume without...
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    can someone describe immortelle

    A while back I searched for 'most fragrant' flower or 'most memorable smell', not sure the terms I was using but kept coming across immortelle in top 10 lists or stories.
    Then every time I looked up...
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    Re: Peach essential oil

    Also could be cold press carrier oils like peach kernel , raspberry, pumpkin, etc.
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    Re: Sour Balsamic Vinegar Note?

    Where is OP?
    We are going on here and they probably just went and bought the cognac oil, right?
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    Re: Sour Balsamic Vinegar Note?

    Ah, now we have new ones, moss balsam and liverwort. Sound like they were trying to infer 'balm' to advertise viscosity. I do have to try that Horehound and Sarsaparilla tincture in the cognac one...
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    Re: Sour Balsamic Vinegar Note?

    Pears, that makes sense they are using medicinal herb as well to describe
    What I saw about balsams earlier, referred to resins that produce benzoins, so it is only like 5 trees.
    So vermouth, on...
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    Re: Sour Balsamic Vinegar Note?

    Is it more like wine like than distilled product if has a fermented smell? I don't know brandy but cognac has no ferment smell so aromatic I would use to dilute formula instead of vodka.
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    Re: Sour Balsamic Vinegar Note?

    I get the idea that wine-vinegar industry idea of balsam aroma is different, it sounds like they are describing pine scents even turpentine.
    I have thought balsam is sweet without turpentine of...
  26. Re: Something similar to Spikenard / Liquorice?

    I think of damascone as black when not combined, I wonder if black rose type concepts increase dosage on that.
    In gourmand I think of basil as black, but not smooth.
    I wonder about common chemicals...
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    Re: PICS: new storage compartments

    Oh what a nice vintage look... maybe you can find old library card size stock and put some formulas on them. Super job on fitting your hobby stuff into nice décor.
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    Re: Sour Balsamic Vinegar Note?

    Unfortunately every ferment I did this year trying to get good starfuit extract turned to wild yeast after not making all the sugars alcohol- a sugary wild yeast mess, almost ten times. A lot of...
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    Re: Sour Balsamic Vinegar Note?

    Wow, I saw that but just googled the Aceto Balsamico di Modena and didn't see the pdf you listed. I would definitely want to know how so many of these panel people are getting plum as aroma its so...
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    Re: Sour Balsamic Vinegar Note?

    Pears,
    thank you for the links, there is so much interesting other stuff in there like the huge use of potassium given the time era, and double distillation of rose water method, sounded like...
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    Re: GC/MS and GC-FID interpretation method?

    R-
    two things:
    maybe don't always adjust everything in the analysis, because first impression can be more dramatic by increasing volatiles instead. You know how you smell a rose from a distance...
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    Re: Sour Balsamic Vinegar Note?

    I have a raspberry seed oil that was colorless/ nearly odorless that I use regularly for aftershower, after a couple of months it turned pink and smells like raspberry vinegar. Imo, degradation...
  33. Re: the 'vapor-dry-crystallize' method - and why it can never work

    Thanks Sky -
    This is fascinating about this reaction with the crystals, were you mixing in humidity possibly? I have to see that!
    Also now this gives me an excuse to shop Veratryl Aldehyde now,...
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    Re: GC/MS and GC-FID interpretation method?

    I would think it would look more like a log function but maybe ... ask one of the smart people who 'belongs' here.
    Then it can go in the 'only correct people need apply' archives.
    I am skulking...
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    Re: GC/MS and GC-FID interpretation method?

    Yeah but how did you get from 70 to 17? Is this calculated with vapor pressure in a known equation, or an example based on known weights?

    edit: sorry it says in first post you are using math
  36. Re: the 'vapor-dry-crystallize' method - and why it can never work

    Well I meant in the original post HOW it dries on skin, and wanted to check on glass what residue is left. Between the posts above, ,I am going to venture a slightly more educated guess about dried...
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    Re: GC/MS and GC-FID interpretation method?

    not sure about the last part never heard, but wondering how you do this part is that the same as relative odor impact or roi 'adjusted' for headspace sampling? Is this something you calculate or it...
  38. Re: the 'vapor-dry-crystallize' method - and why it can never work

    Okay both of you telling me they would eventually evaporate completely... is good enough that I don't have to sit and watch materials dry on glass now. :)
    I think with things like cedarwood,...
  39. Re: the 'vapor-dry-crystallize' method - and why it can never work

    So you stop yourself at wondering what it dries to? I can't stop thinking about the polyurethane incident maybe. And I need to learn basics at the library maybe... need hard copy on single...
  40. Re: Perfumers: Vintage Fragrance compared to Modern Fragrance construction

    In my teens class division dictated what a person wore, if anything. Back of the high school bus smelled different than the front if you will. Expanding on that olfactory nightmare would be a whole...
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    Re: Time between diluting and blending

    Why wait? there is little to react with, besides alcohol, right?
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    Re: Time between diluting and blending

    If you dilute materials first, before blending, does not the mixture have to age much longer than leaving alone? Like age before adding alcohol speeds up the first part of maturation.
  43. Re: the 'vapor-dry-crystallize' method - and why it can never work

    I was reading the post you put up on another thread and heptanol for instance evaporates losing a large amount of weight in comparison to others. I thought of heptanol as something that evaporates...
  44. Re: the 'vapor-dry-crystallize' method - and why it can never work

    Yes. Also if all resins or saps go into crystalline group, or are they flakes of resin when dry. Or even if they came in essential oil form, are they a resin anymore, like cypress cedarwood...
  45. Re: the 'vapor-dry-crystallize' method - and why it can never work

    Does anyone know how to find out which chemicals are crystals when dry? Other than sampling on glass., how to judge dried perfume materials?
  46. Re: Perfumers: Vintage Fragrance compared to Modern Fragrance construction

    All this and class division in my world. The scents you speak of were not the ones in my neighborhood in the 80s maybe. I can name them if you need.
  47. Re: Blast from the Past: REALLY recommended especially if fairly new to perfuming but even if not!

    Wow I forgot so much... had to look it up.
    We forget some things learned in kindergarten, but i know one of you knows the shortcut to the king...
  48. Re: Adding Glycerine and Distilled Water for longevity

    when I search for things like this I must be using the wrong keywords, or you don't rely on google much, or you know the names to look for or something? This is the kind of article I was looking for...
  49. Re: Blast from the Past: REALLY recommended especially if fairly new to perfuming but even if not!

    my thoughts are along the lines: the past is but an acorn on your head, chicken little...
    I also am dense... can't figure out who is henny penny and foxy loxy here.
  50. Re: Perfumers: Vintage Fragrance compared to Modern Fragrance construction

    op-
    Was reading intently following industry differences in construction, changing consumer demographic, until you just inferred some kind of superiority of the 80's.
    Eh hehehe eeeeewww.
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    Re: Wanting to extend aroma longevity

    dang it Paul where were you earlier -
    to snp85-Psh is perfume supply house - https://perfumersupplyhouse.com/product/long-lasting-lemon-exclusive/
    the lemon says it lasts up to 5 weeks
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    Re: Wanting to extend aroma longevity

    for packing you may want dried jasmine, citrus rind, spices in small mesh bag, or herb teabag will scent the box, or fabric softener sheet with light perfume under the paper
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    Re: Loss of smell

    Not only from memory, but not memory of materials, if you knew my build method you would laugh. I even have something that induces anosmia so I don't think too hard. I like to make something I have...
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    Re: Loss of smell

    also look for ENVIRONMENTAL causes of added injury lack of healing before going to ent doc.
    Chemicals or even perfumes in the room you sleep, broken toilet gasket or rocking can do real harm,...
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    Re: Loss of smell

    I would say 'how awful for you...' but all I can think of is that with your 10 years of knowledge, and those materials, now is the time to really use that, without the cumbersome imposition of the...
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    Re: how to make notes disappear faster?

    thanks as always Pears, as my search two days in a row somehow degrades into unconsciously making microtube benzene structures that provide transdermal delivery of all the unknowns.
    Slippery slope...
  57. Re: Brigitte Bräutigam: Calimbao - Chypre-Fruity

    I would be interested to see if this leans apple or plum in the cherry accord, possibly pie-like if combining with ambrettolide.
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    Re: how to make notes disappear faster?

    Yeah, I couldn't pick out 'this is a chypre, this is an oriental, etc..' so they sat a week or two and I tried to categorize differently, by too chemical, or other reasons to dislike there aren't...
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    Re: how to make notes disappear faster?

    Bwahaha I love it. Although I did give up on the idea of using the bottles... they are magically engineered to let out a drop or two at a time.
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    Re: how to make notes disappear faster?

    That's part of the fascination, the amount of water but the sHELF life I'm thinking 40-50 years given the other bottles in the lot. I have thought until now that much water oxidizes everything over...
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    Re: how to make notes disappear faster?

    which reminds me that perfect alcohol water azetrope is impossible to figure given addition (or insolubilities) of ingredients to someone like me, sigh...
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    Re: how to make notes disappear faster?

    When I look into homologues it reminds me of wanting to know how far apart things in the benzenoid group can be, like a specific range or size.
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    Re: how to make notes disappear faster?

    excess verbiage in there may have been confusing. Out of the 50-some perfume samples one of the most provoking was one that disappeared. Like flush, zing, pleasant memories, optimism ... am I ...
  64. Re: Prunol base - Any info on the ingredients?

    I used this and it is not appropriate for perfume alcohol. I smelled it neat and used on arm it seemed fine, but as soon as you add something very pungent and bitter. Good for tools cleaner probably.
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    Re: how to make notes disappear faster?

    thank you that's already producing some 'wants' ... albeit hard htf on some materials. I am surprised at some of the sulphur materials being small
  66. Re: Hmmm, What makes Ammonia? I have an Ammonia note appearing in the bottle headspace.

    coffee /tobacco accords pyridine sometimes - ammonia smell
    just noticed that clicking on the molecular weights you posted
    but yesterday I was thinking about fertilizer contaminant - vegetal -...
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    how to make notes disappear faster?

    I bought several old perfume samples a few months ago for the bottles and to try and pick out notes. I was not able to pick up notes in most so they are too old, or I am just not good at that. One...
  68. Re: D'jwanna make money creating unusual best selling note combos for your perfumes? Scientific stud

    I once wanted info on top ingredient market share and I think it ended too confusing but there are many hints to possibly top 5 in places
    have a great night my peeps literally sighing as they wait...
  69. Re: D'jwanna make money creating unusual best selling note combos for your perfumes? Scientific stud

    ScienceDaily reprinted without issues
  70. Re: D'jwanna make money creating unusual best selling note combos for your perfumes? Scientific stud

    I guess the way I think wandered off into a program that culled database of basenotes that would award 'Grant' money.
  71. Re: D'jwanna make money creating unusual best selling note combos for your perfumes? Scientific stud

    Yeah, not my intent to irk just looked at it differently you didn't need to respond but I guess I did put a question mark on the end of rhetorical question! :)
  72. Re: D'jwanna make money creating unusual best selling note combos for your perfumes? Scientific stud

    I still don't see from where, the number of reviews info not listed in sources at least
  73. Re: D'jwanna make money creating new best selling note combos for your perfumes? Scientific study

    I cant imagine the cheapest perfumes or volume sales as highest profit... aren't they only there to define brand or attract a certain group?
  74. Re: D'jwanna make money creating new best selling note combos for your perfumes? Scientific study

    Is this real? Not sure these formulas match up with the references but maybe authors studied the fragrantica website and did not cite as source.
    But I like top ten lists so as to add to notes to...
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    Re: How do I get that crispness?

    I love that thread . Third time I read it. I don't understand why more people didn't answer 'BECAUSE you can buy that in the store...'
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    Re: Possible Grojsman substitutes?

    oh yeah, I would never even know the real copycats then, on these dates it appears was way earlier than I thought.
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    Re: Possible Grojsman substitutes?

    Your'e right, I read that article just a couple of days ago, what she said there was more of what I thought was linear. I want to delete my whole post now.
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    Re: Possible Grojsman substitutes?

    Ah, okay... I misrinterpreted what I read then. Thanks for input I will read up on that again. Well then that messes up the whole impressionist comparison, right?
    I liked reading about that a...
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    I actually am getting a whole spare bedroom to myself in the process of making back porch into mil type area and hence the confusion as to what I want in there, what crafts do I want to continue,...
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    Re: How do I get that crispness?

    I just got cucumber aldehyde and am wondering if that can be combined with minimal other materials, or even ok neat?
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    Re: Possible Grojsman substitutes?

    Okay Matt-
    watched the video on accords but admittedly did not finish much after what you said on this, just would like to disagree that the intent was powdery, maybe it just turned out that way...
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    Re: Possible Grojsman substitutes?

    removed post that was nonsense...
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    Re: Possible Grojsman substitutes?

    15 minutes?! Okay I am not going on that long but will do a long write-up before looking at it. And I am going for different angle so it may not compare, because I am interested in writing about...
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    Re: Possible Grojsman substitutes?

    I can't watch your video right now, I am one of those who prefers written to moving at the computer, like as if I can only watch youtube on the phone or the tv, but will watch and I truly am curious...
  85. Re: I am so done with this ... I ruined my kitchen table!

    YeS Septime and PK, I have glass saved from enfleurage and other surface salvage easy to put on the kitchen table. I even found an old polyurethane cypress clock today and my fist thought was...
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    Re: Possible Grojsman substitutes?

    That is so true. And the need for more paint by number sets, that is something the industry is leaning to accommodate as that popularity grows.
    I am sorry now that I was attempting to make a point...
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    Re: Possible Grojsman substitutes?

    You are a great communicator. Something finally clicked with that association. I see why this is useful for many perfumer hobbyists.
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    Re: Possible Grossjman substitutes?

    I LIKE this post Matt. Can't say enough about how important that is to define. Not sure what democtratization means in context there but I will look it up.
    Let this obsession drive you but don't...
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    Re: Possible Grossjman substitutes?

    then what is your main thought when you post a video, are you speaking to a certain group or sharing your thoughts just because you feel like it, is there a goal or just way to catalogue your...
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    Re: Possible Grojsman substitutes?

    I think it is important and Matt does too (I hope)... I am guessing you mean take further discussion to pm? Is that what he means?
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    Re: Possible Grossjman substitutes?

    OMG because she worked at Iff with Benaim and they were superstars,, and the greatest thing you can do for your company is make a big monument to the company star ingredients to put your signature...
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    Re: Possible Grossjman substitutes?

    What about the masses? You are trying to make hard edged rules to memorize, that either define or s2perate mass from individual it is making my head hurt...
    The is all about your youtube confusion,...
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    Re: Possible Grossjman substitutes?

    In pretty much everthing I do, harmonious is not the goal. Something else is.
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    Re: Possible Grossjman substitutes?

    okay then... you crop a Mondrian you have disharmony, bad taste. You crop a Renior what happens?
    Think of them that way (for a little bit ;) not too hard then we will compare
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    Re: Possible Grossjman substitutes?

    example of hyperfocus = disharmony
    try looking at the whole picture
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    Re: Possible Grossjman substitutes?

    so you have cropped a really important portion off of one of the most recognizable works of an art, in order to demonstrate how its balanced? You are not aware but it is immediately recognized by...
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    Re: Possible Grossjman substitutes?

    Dude, did you just crop a Mondrian up there?
  98. Re: I am so done with this ... I ruined my kitchen table!

    I see you match up the numbers...so it would be an oil that contains Amyl acetate as constituent I will look into that before I try each separately, thanks for that.
  99. Re: I am so done with this ... I ruined my kitchen table!

    do you know of some? Maybe benzyl alcohol and the finish? Just so surprised because every time oil paints were messed onto it I could clean with turpentine before they dried no issues.
  100. I am so done with this ... I ruined my kitchen table!

    Something in my mix ate through three layers of polyurethane that was done at least 13 years ago.
    At first I was mad ... but then very curious as the aroma is still there after weeks. Haven't...
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