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    Re: Has my Osmanthus ab gone off?

    That does not sound right. Dried fruit, apricot, very sweet, some dark leathery notes - a very strong distinctive odor and not one you’d mix up with olive oil. Or do you mean brined olives?
  2. Thread: Making Fougere

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    Re: Making Fougere

    Maybe you are perceived as trying to redirect traffic from this site to your YouTube channel. That in itself is a business for some. Not saying this applies to you but I could easily see it seeming...
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    Re: Name the 3 most beautiful material you know

    Assuming of excellent quality:

    Old sandalwood
    Agarwood from Aquilaria sinensis
    Rose otto or jasmine Morocco
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    Re: American Oud — Ensar Oud

    Looks like it’s basically oud oil plus solvent - alcohol or whatever alternatives exist for sprays. So the price / value balance on this will largely be a function of the % concentration of Oud and...
  5. Re: Rain - The Chemical Compounds Behind The Smell Of Rain

    Cultivated Thai agarwood oil when highly diluted can produce a very lifelike fresh rain / forest floor / riparian zone scent. Depend on how the wood is prepared and distilled but this is an aspect...
  6. Re: Rain - The Chemical Compounds Behind The Smell Of Rain

    So there is a version of borneol in soil? Whenever I am raking up the bamboo leaf mulch around my house I get clear whiffs of a borneol type scent. Any chance this is methylisoborneol
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    Re: An enfleurage question about lilac flowers

    Great thread, inspiring.
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    Re: Amber (fossilised)

    I’ve burned little chips - many years ago. It’s quite intense and arresting. A very sharp pleasant tart evergreen scent. I enjoyed it.
  9. Thread: Ambroxan %

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    Re: Ambroxan %

    I think he said that it is ALL by weight (prior to bottling). So yes there may be 7ml of perfume in a bottle, but when that perfume was formulated the perfumer used a formula based on weights of...
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    Re: What Oud/Mukhallat are you wearing today?

    Any link to ripe oud’s store? Thanks.
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    Re: Strength and longevity questions

    Excellent response.
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    Re: Working with Ambergris and Musk

    I’ve only smelled a few - some dark gray, one paler. For all I know the specimens I have were atypical. The older whiter one was just pleasant - mild, earthy, mossy, marine. The darker ones have a...
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    Re: Working with Ambergris and Musk

    I believe the whiter chunks lack the fecal notes and are generally preferable if a mild ambergris effect is desired. The darker stuff is more pungent and more fecal. This is from a few personal...
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    Re: Working with Ambergris and Musk

    More focus on ambergris, less on past disagreements and character assessment would be good.
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    Re: Working with Ambergris and Musk

    My dealings with al shareef have all been excellent. I have sampled roughly a dozen of their products (oud oil). 100% of them were exactly as advertised.
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    Re: Working with Ambergris and Musk

    That escalated quickly...
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    Re: Working with Ambergris and Musk

    Can’t ambergris have many textures / colors / consistencies based on the age of the specimen, the location in a chunk, etc? I’ve seen black, brown, gray, white... the black stuff can be tar-like and...
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    My experience is with naturals of plant origin. I would include ambergris and musk were they not problematic. These are things I experience as almost complete perfumes in themselves in spite of...
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    Re: Temperature affecting scent of ambrette seed

    Ambrette oils get rancid I think. The ambrette CO2 oil I have developed a rancid note that was pretty obvious after a while but subtle at first.

    Maybe the oil oxidized, and the smell is more...
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    Just found this. Bump worthy.
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    Re: What Oud/Mukhallat are you wearing today?

    Feel oud bio Thai... yum. Floral, wafts of Vietnamese and Cambodian oud nuances. Great oil
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    Re: How to tame Labdanum Absolute.

    Labdanum and cistus oils I have smelled are quite varied in scent. Maybe try a few different sources? I I have smelled some that blend very well and others that are way too pungent.
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    Re: DIY solvent extraction

    https://www.extractcraft.com/ethanol-recovery-appliances

    Cheaper, for ethanol, could be used to extract and concentrate, recover solvent.
  24. Re: Majid iterji musk al ghazal red grade 1 and black musk musk KL

    That company also sells the most blatantly fake ambergris fragrance as a genuine ambergris extraction. It has visible white chemical precipitate and reeks of the chemical ambroxan. Stay away from...
  25. Re: Majid iterji musk al ghazal red grade 1 and black musk musk KL

    I’ve tried the red musk. Lots of complex multilayered synthetic musk on top of what might possibly be a little actual musk extract. There was this notorious AA musk gazelle made by Ajmal years ago....
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    Re: Agarwood chips and chunks for burning?

    If you are willing to pay premium / US retail prices, there are some places to get smaller amounts. I have received positive reports from more than one person I trust on all of the following...
  27. Thread: Oud forum

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    Re: Oud forum

    Bring back the oud forum!:thumbup::thumbup:
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    Re: Oud forum

    So how's progress on reopening the oud forum going? :huh: ok so I exaggerated when I said I'd never mention it again...
  29. Re: Introducing myself and a question about using Real or Oud Replacers in Perfume

    Oud has diverse aromas. Inexpensive oud from cultivated trees purchased directly from a producer can be as cheap as $100-$200 for 12 grams but this may or may not be of acceptable quality.

    Some...
  30. Re: Homemade Musk oil with Sandalwood and musk grains

    In my experience the sandalwood really "damps down" the musk scent - really mutes some of the more heady notes of musk and transforms it into a heavy, felty, dense scent. This scent is delightful in...
  31. Thread: Oud forum

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    Re: Oud forum

    Thanks for the update. I also totally understand as an overwhelmed parent. I won't mention it again. I'd be happy to help but as a long-term participant I may not have the most detached...
  32. Re: has anyone tried making a sandalwood tincture out of sandalwood dust?

    The oil is nowhere near as rich and true to the scent of wood as a good tincture. The oil is wonderful and the tincture couldn't replace it but there are delightful aspects of high quality wood that...
  33. Re: has anyone tried making a sandalwood tincture out of sandalwood dust?

    I've had great luck tincturing sandalwood as well. It was very high quality powder purchased from an incense manufacturer in Japan. This tincture was one of my favorite sandalwood fragrances - I...
  34. Thread: Oud forum

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    Re: Oud forum

    Can we get an eta on this?
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    Re: Oud forum

    I think it's high time to either open the forum again or at least make the material available to read as some of us spent a *lot* of time gathering that information.
  36. Thread: Oud forum

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    Re: Oud forum

    Actually grant said he intended to reactivate the forum but was too busy. Maybe now is a good time?
  37. Thread: Oud forum

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    Oud forum

    Can we please get the oud forum up and running again? It has been a LOOONG time now!

    Thank you.
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    Aged patchouli and viscosity

    I have a question about patchouli oil. I have several well aged samples (about 15-20 years sitting on my shelves). I believe all of these are high quality oils (all from suppliers that take purity...
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    Re: Sandalwood / Santal

    I smelled an amazing New Caledonian sandalwood absolute that Eden botanicals used to carry. Unusua top note but the dry down was a very classic warm woody sandalwood aroma. Nicest scent of the New...
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    Re: How would I make my own crude Jasmine oil?

    I distilled jasmine concrete a few times. Made a very nice intense and concentrated jasmine essential oil. A lot of work / mess though...
  41. Thread: Disappointed

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    Re: Disappointed

    Thanks for the response. It will be interesting to see what happens when it is reopened as many of the oud lovers have regrouped at other sites.
  42. Thread: Disappointed

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    Disappointed

    I'll keep it simple. I am disappointed with how Basenotes, Grant, mods, etc. handled the closure of the oud forum. I know on one level no one owes the oud lovers anything, and there were problems,...
  43. Thread: Ambergris

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    Re: Ambergris

    Funny - I've never understood the isopropanol association. Ethanol, yes - I see ambergris as somehow merging with ethanol in a surprising way. Got to go sniff the rubbing alcohol again I guess!
  44. Thread: Oud

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    Re: Oud

    I'm not sure, Mandeel! To me it seems like they have killed the oud forum. I'd suggest anyone with an interest in learning about oud head over to the ouddict.com site. Conversation is picking up...
  45. Thread: Oud

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    Re: Oud

    It's working now, thanks! Not sure what I was doing wrong. I guess we'd better make sure we don't redirect this thread too much. I will restrict my comments here to oud from this point
  46. Thread: Oud

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    Re: Oud

    I am going to try signing up for ouddict again... I also couldn't make anything work on my mobile devices, which are what I usually use when posting or reading here. Any luck with iOS at that site?
  47. Thread: Oud

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    Re: Oud

    I for one would like to be able to continue hearing others' impressions and experiences with oud and related ME fragrances. It is looking like this might not be the place for this to happen, in...
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    Re: Where is the oud forum?

    We will be patient. With literally thousands of dollars on the line for these purchases, it is not surprising that some of this was happening. It will probably never go away, but let's hope there...
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    Re: Oud lovers who love sandalwood...

    The other distiller I found sell at about $3000/kg. Not sure about differences between the oils.

    I should add that they are very easy to deal with and called "Santanol". Minimum order is 1 kg...
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    Re: Oud lovers who love sandalwood...

    You can get the Aussie sandalwood for cheaper than that in the US now.
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    Re: What are you wearing today?

    And now I've added a swipe of the chan yan. This oil is still young but starting to show signs of evolution, some of the tangy fruit top notes starting to show hints of the oxidized tartness I love...
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    Re: What are you wearing today?

    UNS irian jaya. Kind of nutmeg spicy merauke / Papua type. A little medicinal smelling but not bad.
  53. Thread: Agarwood Wood

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    Re: Agarwood Wood

    I'm sure it's a coincidence.

    The wood packaging image can be found at this link (scroll down):

    http://www.essenceoftheages.com/baieido/baie5.html
  54. Thread: Agarwood Wood

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    Re: Agarwood Wood

    They sell an Indonesian agarwood called kokonoe-no-kumo (or something like that - I forget and don't feel like looking it up). How does the kanji relate in that case?
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    Has it been that long since this oil was released? Seems like it has only been a year... Time flies, I guess!
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    Re: Australia agarwood growers.

    Along these lines, I wonder if there will ever be a kind of certification of "organic" oud - this term is used unusually informally in the agarwood trade. I am used to this being associated with...
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    Re: Australia agarwood growers.

    Hot diggity! Can't wait to get some Aussie plantation agarwood oil... Wonder if anyone is planting any in South America?
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    Re: Australia agarwood growers.

    Australia has a wide range of ecosystems including tropical rain forest. I have no problem imagining agarwood species growing there.
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    I guess crude adulteration will be easy to detect. Sophisticated adulteration less so? It will be interesting to see the outcome regardless.
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    I am pretty sure there is a biological (I mean physical / not psychological) mechanism as well. Single molecules that are undetectable become detectable on repeated exposure. The mechanism of scent...
  61. Thread: Agarwood Wood

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    Re: Agarwood Wood

    Baieido sold chips with the kokonoe designation. I wonder if there is a different sense to those kanji?
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    Al shareef: you are correct, and thanks for reminding me of something I read about humans becoming able to detect certain molecules only through repeated exposure. You can have a change of your...
  63. Thread: Oud experiments.

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    Re: Oud experiments.

    No idea. It was one big piece when I got it back in '98. I broke it up having no clue of the value of large pieces of oud - I was very naive. The shop had other largish oud sculptures - it was...
  64. Thread: Oud experiments.

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    Re: Oud experiments.

    52581

    Here's the wood. Maybe 100g - not sure. It has a nice sweet smell. I bought the wood in 1998. It was old when I bought it... Pretty thick chunk, resin all the way through it. It's nice...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    For me this happens with a certain sharp peppery / bug spray note in Papua oils. If I haven't smelled one for a few months it really hits me. If I wear a Papua oil even once, I can't detect it even...
  66. Thread: Oud experiments.

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    Oud experiments.

    I have this Soxhlet extractor. I am thinking of doing an ethanolic extraction (resinoid?) of a batch of oud I bought years ago from a Chinese herb shop in California. It is a nice dark, clean...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    "-Olfactory fatigue and palette colouration"

    This, right here, is huge. I find olfactory fatigue to be a pernicious factor in my appreciation. I work with young people, and they ALWAYS detect...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    Even to assess one's own knowledge is a challenge. Many of us are sniffing oud in isolation, learning based on hearsay and web pages / blogs that have no peer review and conflicts of interest. This...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    @LC: I think what mandeel was saying (and I think he had a point) is that many people here only write positive reviews out of respect for the people they buy oud or get samples from. For example, if...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    LC - I know you will learn from this - didn't mean to question that! I just have never smelled the oil in question and I THINK I can already tell whose noses are "on" or "off". I suppose for those...
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    Re: Vintage Mysore sandalwood oil source?

    I don't know... Looks risky.
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    That's the spirit!
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    Re: conserving/aging oud oils

    Yes - this is important information... Which oils, please?
  74. Thread: shebaroud oils

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    Re: shebaroud oils

    Just applied some of the bruhindi. That is some wild and stanky stuff... Quite persistent, very fermented and musky. Not my favorite category of oud, but clearly an interesting oil and seemingly of...
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    Re: Beginning of an oud journey...

    Must be gratifying to have these first hand experiences with such a range of scents and to be able to interact directly with the folks that sell them... Wish there were opportunities for this kind...
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    Re: Musk / musk gazelle

    I have a sample of the ASAQ musk gazelle - just a few drops. Don't think it contains much actual musk (maybe it contains a little?) but it is an addictive scent. Another one of those "I can't stop...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    Well now I wish I'd smelled that material... I think there were enough positive reviews... But I have also seen positive reviews here of other oils I am certain are not authentic, so I guess...
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    Re: The Best Electronic Incense Burner....

    Agreed - the 3 min. is a bit short. I like the continuous temp. variation - that is nice.
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    I believe Adam is one person who, when they say "i distilled this oil" this can be taken literally! In the best of all worlds, we would know when "we distilled this oil" means "we asked someone to...
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    Re: The Best Electronic Incense Burner....

    That looks great! My current favorite electronic burner: my kitchen range. The only time I'm glad I don't have a gas stove is when I want to burn some aloeswood!
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    Thanks al shareef for the reality check. Of course copper pots are the traditional "degs" used by indian distillers and going far back in history, and of course distillation is an old art and...
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    Re: The Best Electronic Incense Burner....

    I have one. It's nice. Wish it got just a little bit warmer, but it is also my preferred way to heat rikkoku woods. When I first got it, it had an odd smell - plastic smell maybe? Took a lot of...
  83. Thread: Agarwood Wood

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    Re: Agarwood Wood

    I don't think it would impact the aroma if you are burning the wood on coals at full temperature. If you are hearing the chips with the Japanese method (low temp on mica plate) then it is maybe...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    It is nice to be able to get pure oud with some confidence from these smaller merchants. 15 years ago I was told pure oud oil was something which a person couldn't really hope to get in the United...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    Yes, "Buyer beware", and here is the one place to learn what to beware of. So we can discuss shady / misleading tactics by vendors to enable us to truly beware in an educated sense. Without this...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    If I had to guess, it seems to be a mistranslation. Using "kyara" could be attributed to hyperbole (or a reference to a species of agarwood, though I thought the species / kyara connection had not...
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    Re: Purity of your oils…

    It would be nice to have certainty about which oils were distilled from chemically induced wood and which from the drilled / non chemical inducing methods. It will ultimately come down (as always)...
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    Re: What to look for at ASAQ

    It's not that complicated. What kind of wood was used, how was it treated prior to distillation, under what conditions was it distilled, how was it treated after distillation? Simple enough.
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    Re: Authentic High Quality Agarwood

    I'd say form your own opinion on that matter. I am under the impression he makes top notch oils...
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    Re: Purity of your oils…

    Well there must be a happy medium between blind trust an libel. This is a discussion forum not a fan site so let's just let people express their opinions and leave it at that.

    There are people...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    That is why I brought this up here. It would be a disaster if every merchant started using the forum to promote their stuff, but it is a shame we don't have a way as consumers to respectfully...
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    Re: Purity of your oils…

    I am sure if the tree is inoculated with a chemical of some kind, it would show up. I recall reading somewhere a pretty good quantity of inducing chemicals are piped into the trees. I remember a...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread part 3

    I wonder if there is an acceptable way to indicate here that someone has agarwood pieces / oil they want to sell or offer for trade? It seems like this is a touchy area because on the one hand, many...
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    Re: Oud lovers who love sandalwood...

    Agreed. It turns out the OP had be re-using an older photo of a pristine bottle to show for illustrative purposes - to show the label style. Their bottle had a patina of age.
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    Re: Oud lovers who love sandalwood...

    I have observed gradual improvement over a 14 year period for sandalwoods. And I also have observed older oils remaining consistent in aroma. The improvements I see over the 14 years are an...
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    Re: Oud lovers who love sandalwood...

    Where'd your fiend find it!? I just want some tips to digging up my own. I see a lot of Fritzsche vintage bottles (most empty) on eBay...
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    Re: Oud lovers who love sandalwood...

    Wow - another one of these bottles. They've been showing up all the sudden, and amazingly well preserved! Where'd you find yours? Does this oil have a note of thymol in the top note? I smelled a...
  98. Thread: Ambergris

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    Re: Ambergris

    The web site says they are closed until further notice. You know anything?
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    Re: Oud lovers who love sandalwood...

    By the way, I went through the same thing with the parrot woman a few years ago. I explained to her that the product was fake, she was not helpful. I had to file a claim with eBay. The whole thing...
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    Re: Vintage Mysore sandalwood oil source?

    I remember when that brand was popular in health food stores, etc. Glad it smells good...
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