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    Re: Please help me find my group

    Thank you all for the kind help!

    I'll get copying the above and will wait, just don't know where to check back to see if all the info has been restored because the URLs have also changed.
    ...
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    Please help me find my group

    Apologies for this, as I simply cannot seem to find my way back and there are too many posts and too little time to read it all.

    I'm especially bummed about losing all the work I had put into the...
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    Re: Improved site search - please read

    Thank you, dear. I totally missed that part, I only read a few subfora here...
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    Re: Improved site search - please read

    I must be missing something but to which search engine are you referring?

    This one:
    http://www.basenotes.net/search.php
    ?

    I don't see any improvement there?
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    Re: Handsome, manly bottles?

    This would probably make the best fit:
    http://www.accessoriesforfragrances.com/
  6. Re: NPR Radio Interview now available for listening... - with Paul Kiler, PK Perfumes

    Nice talk, Paul, well done!
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    Re: Raw materials blind sniff?

    Great :) 1 down 2 to go :D
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    Raw materials blind sniff?

    A few mentioned the blind nose training in another thread, so I was thinking, now that the blind sniff of perfumes is no longer an option due to shipping problems: would any DIY and other perfume...
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    Re: Perfumers education

    This is a strict all natural course, taught by self-taught all natural perfumers that don't follow IFRA nor EU regulations and also follow the strict All Natural Perfumers Guild ethos. So if you're...
  10. Thread: Going to Grasse

    by Irina
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    Re: Going to Grasse

    Gecko, I would suggest to contact Jessica September Buchanan from http://www.1000flowers.ca/ As she now works in Grasse and has cultivated some relationships with local growers she might be able to...
  11. Re: Chart of Most Frequently Used Perfume Notes by Deborah Dolen

    Trying to duplicate a fragrance by marketing blurbs only, is not the best idea.
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    Re: Are our skins really that different?

    What a gem of a remark! :) Kitty heaven indeed!
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    Re: Formal Fragrance Training Courses

    You're most welcome, Foster! If your intention is 'just a hobby' I would say: invest those fees in good materials & equipment and enjoy the ride :)
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    Re: Formal Fragrance Training Courses

    Formal training is mostly offered in-house if you work for a fragrance house or a cosmetic company that have their own fragrance department. You could look into such local companies. Most of the time...
  15. Re: Fragrance families: which method of categorizing do you prefer and why?

    Sounds cool to me, if it works for you, that's the most important thing!

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    You are very right!
    We had some very intellectual talks in the Chandle Burr's Untitled Series...
  16. Re: Fragrance families: which method of categorizing do you prefer and why?

    Yes, it was indeed difficult to make that point, thank you for re-reading :)

    Actually categorizing is a very useful universal human cognitive brain function ;)
    But I totally get the individual...
  17. Re: Fragrance families: which method of categorizing do you prefer and why?

    Thanks, Cacio, I understood the ;) I think it makes perfect sense to make your own categories as you get more and more acquainted with different kinds of perfume. I really like your 'fruitchouli' :)...
  18. Re: Fragrance families: which method of categorizing do you prefer and why?

    Thank you guys! I've altered the thread name a bit as my question regards which method of categorizing fragrance you find the most helpful and not what category fragrance you enjoy most. So sorry for...
  19. Thread: Gcms

    by Irina
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    Re: Gcms

    I have no idea, as the company I worked for had a bulk contract with them (several analysis each week) and I was told they were the best price for the best service. They were incredibly fast,...
  20. Fragrance families: which method of categorizing do you prefer and why?

    During perfumer training I was taught a fragrance wheel of fragrance families that is slightly different than most perfumistas use like BN's directory for example. ...
  21. Thread: Gcms

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    Re: Gcms

    I would recommend
    http://www.intertek.com/
    They have reps for many countries and are reasonably affordable. Make sure you explain what you need your analysis for. If you have a description like:...
  22. Re: Starting "open source" perfume formula's; donate yours!

    Hi Jeroen,

    Sharing is always good! :tekst-toppie:

    The thing I personally like about those demo formulas is that they offer a free way to really learn how to formulate like pro's do. And many...
  23. Re: Starting "open source" perfume formula's; donate yours!

    There are LOADS of open source demo formula's available from the big 5, all very easily searchable here:
    http://www.perfumersearch.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12&Itemid=9
  24. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Ivana, dear, I'm sorry but I think that something is going wrong in translation. I think that you should take some time and re-read all the input here as some of your words contradict themselves. ...
  25. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Thank you, David for taking the time to answer Ivana's questions, very interesting!
    And I totally agree with you, Mumsy.

    Ivana: I'm afraid that you are right: the commercial designer or big niche...
  26. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    This is possible: if you make it for yourself, not for profit. Look also at the small all natural indie perfumers, their profit is very small.

    If I take the price breakdown in the picture above,...
  27. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Agreed and all the above is written and meant with all the respect. I would be grateful to hear more about the above and always stand corrected if I got my facts wrong.
    So please David if you know...
  28. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Really, David?

    If you take the picture I showed earlier

    http://www.mimifroufrou.com/scentedsalamander/images/prix_revient_parfum.jpg

    Here they talk about the price of juice at 0.75 euro. If...
  29. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    The truth of any luxury items people buy is that the majority wants the best but also cheapest. So what consumer say they want and what they actually buy is based on this principle. Meaning if you...
  30. Quality control for DIY/indie perfumers: tips & tricks

    I thought it was appropriate to ask around, especially for those that also sell their creations: how do you manage quality control?

    Meaning:
    How do you know/insure your materials are pure,...
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    The business side of DIY/indie perfumes

    In response to this question



    Dear Ivana, it is not that simple. You have to imagine that in order to get that $15 for 10 ml of pure fragrance that will be diluted up to 100 ml + $15 for the...
  32. Sticky: Re: DIY Suppliers List

    It is totally legitimate to add your and any suppliers here and everyone is grateful for sharing experiences, so thank you again! :thumbup:

    Your tale about the dogs does make me smile :D The thing...
  33. Sticky: Re: DIY Suppliers List

    Thank you for sharing!
    I tend to don't buy mixtures any more and sampling oud is so expensive... So how do you know if something is genuine aside from reviews? My short experience with GC/MS...
  34. Sticky: Re: DIY Suppliers List

    Looks good, thanks for sharing! What did you purchase?
  35. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    I second David's recommendation of Infusion d'Iris by Prada and most Chanels have a nice orris base, like 31 Rue Cambon. Many Guerlains, especially vintages also contain that soft powdery round orris...
  36. Re: Are we all drinking the kool-aid and buying into hype?

    This is a FANTASTIC idea LHBI!!!
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    double post
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    Thank you so much for the clues, David! I will get some samples of those. Sulfurol was suggested to me when I was working on a milk chocolate accord.

    Ivana, dear, real oudh is very very rare, very...
  39. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Both Ivana for starting this thread and David for his very helpful posts and actually everyone that joined in, it is a fascinating thread!

    I am hypernosmic to both...
  40. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    What David says is true. Here is another popular article that shows you the price breakdown of perfumes:

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/05/22/celebrity-perfume-cost-breakdown/

    Here is an...
  41. Re: IFRA restrictions and EU regulations are NOT the same: some facts

    You're most welcome :D thank you for reading!
  42. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Ivana, dear, here is a nice blog about it:
    http://boisdejasmin.com/2012/02/the-price-of-luxury-perfume-1.html

    You know my favorites :)
  43. Re: Why aren't chemicals stronger smelling to begin with?

    So now I'm curious: what is the answer?
  44. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Agreed!
    I think it all comes down to personal taste. This article may be interesting in this light:
    http://virsanghvi.com/Article-Details.aspx?Key=904

    It basically says that what you 'think'...
  45. Re: It's the End of the (Perfumed) World as We Know It

    In a former thread I tried to explain in layman's terms about EU and IFRA and why perfumes change:...
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    Re: testing with cheap oils

    It all depends on the skill of the perfumer and the formula. I have smelled beautiful creations with cheap materials and awful ones with expensive materials.
    Why do you ask?
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    Re: the anti-fragrance

    I would say the crunchy granola types that are against deodorant and anything with 'nasty chemicals': wholefoods scent? LOL
  48. Re: New house Juniper Ridge with three Backpacker’s Cologne

    I totally love this concept! Wish I could experience them, but then again just like with Slumberhouse, they are exclusive to the US...
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    Re: Do you remember smells literally?

    Wow, David, now I can appreciate your skill even more! Thank you so much for sharing your vast experience with us here, not many people realize how precious this is!

    Ambolt, I also love your...
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    Re: A sad day at Pell Wall

    I'm so sorry to hear about your loss, Chris *hugs!* Enjoy the puppy cuteness :)
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    Re: Do you remember smells literally?

    Totally agree ^^^^

    David: do you still 'train' or smell things on a daily basis? Or did anything change after your retirement?
  52. Re: Micro samples... would that be of any interest?

    Most small sample vials fit in an envelope. I have been trading samples for years and there are several ways to go about it. Here are some of my tips.

    First avoid the 1 ml straight vial with that...
  53. Re: Micro samples... would that be of any interest?

    I would especially be interesting in trading samples of raw materials.
  54. Re: IFRA restrictions and EU regulations are NOT the same: some facts

    Thank you for the kind words, you're very welcome :)

    Indeed there are many issues with how this works. My personal issue is for example that while being allergic to many of the 82 ingredients, it...
  55. Re: IFRA restrictions and EU regulations are NOT the same: some facts

    You're welcome, hope it makes sense.
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    In several threads and throughout fragrance fora and blogs there are several misconceptions about IFRA restrictions and the EU regulations. Especially the difference between the 2 doesn't seem to be...
  57. Re: 82 New Allergens in Perfumes: The Death Toll on Fragrances as we Know Them

    I'm working on a thread that will probably explain more, with links and everything. Please bear with me at is quite a lot. Thank you.

    Posted here:...
  58. Re: Where to smell the very first original of the classics?

    Thank you, David, that is exactly the answer I was looking for.
  59. Re: 82 New Allergens in Perfumes: The Death Toll on Fragrances as we Know Them

    Sorry to say but this article is bs: the EU won't further restrict any of those substances. The manufacturers of fragrance or any cosmetics just need to put on the label if any of the 82 are present...
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    It was passed on by her mother, an artiste, that survived the WWI by seeking shelter in Paris. I hope to see Madame again soon, so that I can listen to more of her stories. And it's very good for my...
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    Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E07

    I thought CB didn't do indie? It must be someone from the big 5, right?

    I'm curious too :)
  62. Re: Where to smell the very first original of the classics?

    I think that some perfumes are worth a great deal, as they are so rare, especially very old ones. Try finding an old Guerlain and see for yourself what it may be worth ;)

    As for my encounter with...
  63. Non-native Anglophones vlogging in English about fragrance, scent, smell, olfaction?

    Anyone knows of any?

    Links are hugely appreciated!

    Thanks :)
  64. Re: Where to smell the very first original of the classics?

    Sure :) If I knew something about Polar Bears or Bengalese Tigers, I would do that ;)

    But I'm a perfumer and this is my passion, so I guess that's why I feel invested. I guess it's all about...
  65. Re: Making an Absolute - Process, lessons learned, and recommendations

    gecko214, that sounds like such hard work, but highly entertaining, thank you so much for sharing!
  66. Re: Where to smell the very first original of the classics?

    Ivana, dear, while I understand what you mean and agree, this is not what my intention is: replicating that 1923 Mitsouko and sell it to the public.

    I think rather in terms of preservation. Like...
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    Re: Free Natural Perfumery Course

    Interesting, I will check in the webinar if time allows it cos of the time difference.

    I can't help but cringe at terms like 'chemical sensitivities' and 'synthetics can make you sick' but the...
  68. Re: Where to smell the very first original of the classics?

    Thank you so much, Mumsy. Yes, storage seems to be key.

    Actually with a historically correct library I didn't mean actually cataloging the vintage versions and presenting them to the public, but...
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    Re: Vintage die hards: help needed!

    This is awesome, thank you sooo much!!!!



    I didn't understand what you meant by that, but now I do, so thank you. Does/did this knowledge influenced your work as a perfumer?

    And do you have...
  70. Re: Where to smell the very first original of the classics?

    Thank you, Paul, these are very good suggestions. Emailed you back :)



    Thank you so much for your input, the specific examples are very helpful! I have a decant of Coty's Chypre from TPC and I...
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    Re: Vintage die hards: help needed!

    Thank you so much for your input, Cacio :)
    GC/MS for old perfumes requires such specific skills, it is not easy to identify raw materials that are long gone. So now I see that the Osmotheque...
  72. Re: Where to smell the very first original of the classics?

    Actually I wasn't sure about perfume being an art, till this experience.
    Also I'm not looking to own or collect the old ones, just trying to reconstruct the artisanal knowledge of such heritage. I...
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    Re: Vintage die hards: help needed!

    I think those animalics are the key. Plus I wonder if the aging process does favor some perfume materials after all? Especially base notes, I think?

    I have no idea how the Osmotheque works, but I...
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    Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E07

    A party in your nose :grin: No worries, Red, I just add it to my wishlist, will get a decant somewhere after the reveal. It worked with the previous episodes perfectly :)
  75. Re: Where to smell the very first original of the classics?

    Thank you both for the insights :) Lovely to hear about your experience, David.

    Now that I have experienced what that heritage actually is, it makes me sad and nostalgic. I will do some research...
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    Vintage die hards: help needed!

    Hi guys,

    I can't stop obsessing about this:
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/321336-Where-to-smell-the-very-first-original-of-the-classics

    I really thought I didn't like vintage stuff. Here...
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    Re: The rave about vintage formulations

    I thought so too... Till yesterday's mind blowing experience with a 1932 Mitsouko. Life changing.

    I'm going to get to the bottom of this vintage & preserving old perfume art stuff. Might have...
  78. Re: Were to smell the very first original of the classics?

    Although I'm not so young (late 30's) and smelled some of the now prohibited and even rare materials, I'm just in awe of such masterpieces. I mean reading about it is 1 thing, actually smelling the...
  79. Re: Were to smell the very first original of the classics?

    Thank you, David :) The Osmotheque is on my 'bucket list'.

    Do you know if their original there is true to its first release?

    That is basically my question. Like with first edition books I was...
  80. Where to smell the very first original of the classics?

    Does anyone know? At the Osmotheque? (embarrassed to admit I've never been)

    Like the first original Chanel no 5?

    Or at least some kind of exact re-creation of the original formula?
    ...
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    Re: need some non alcohol perfume recipes for men

    Some free demo's:
    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/demos/dm1005291.html
    http://www.perfumersapprentice.com/perfumersworkshop/beginner/beginner.html...
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    Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E07

    When a perfume gives Red's writing groove back, it must be worth smelling it :) Wonderful to read your passion again, guys, thank you :vrolijk_26:
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    Re: Worst basenotes reviews

    I agree :) What I meant is rather: why would one write or read reviews? I think one's drive behind the writing is just as important. If I would write I would do so in order to help people when making...
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    Re: Worst basenotes reviews

    This thread illustrates exactly why I don't dare do reviews: I wouldn't know how to write about a fragrance leaving out all the talk on notes nor emotions/atmosphere. I appreciate when reviews do...
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    Re: FiFi Indie Nominations - What a Joke

    I wouldn't put is as bluntly as that. They are one of the first non-profit foundations of the fragrance industry (established in the 50's) and had a much bigger task and more money. They used to give...
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    Re: How hard is it to get into fragrance creation?

    Totally second this.
    Plus adding that most information available on the net is bogus. There are a few good books and blogs though.
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    Re: FiFi Indie Nominations - What a Joke

    To understand the FiFi Awards it might be helpful to read a bit more about who is behind it: The Fragrance Foundation:
    http://www.fragrance.org/about-us.php and their timeline...
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    Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E07

    LOL Sorry to hear about this, Red. But it's good to have a less 'pretty' fragrance in the series.

    That's why I asked about meringue because of the 'ewwww' effect of Adoxal.
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    Re: Reformulations that IMPROVED on the original...

    Yes and no. I believe the problem here is the lack of truth: the branding & label stays the same. That is one of the biggest problems with the industry imho: why sell a different juice in the same...
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    Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E07

    Ooooh this sounds very interesting, I have an affinity for all these creatures :D



    Does it remind you of lemon meringue?
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    Re: That list of ingredients on the label or box.

    Hi David, I don't feel comfortable to derail the topic by expanding again on my personal situation. I have written quite a deal on other threads about my allergies, please contact me privately for...
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    Re: That list of ingredients on the label or box.

    Sorry David, I should have underlined the above.
    A perfumer can also use natural isolates or aromachemicals that also exist in the profile of naturals and at least recreate some of the complexity of...
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    Re: That list of ingredients on the label or box.

    Not per se. There are a few natural materials/extracts with a low/below the INCI (=International Nomenclature Cosmetic Ingredient) level of perfume allergens like patchouli, cedarwood, vetiver,...
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    Re: That list of ingredients on the label or box.

    What David says. The breaking point is for the perfume allergens 0,001 % in leave-on products (like creams and perfumes) and 0,01 % in rinse-off products (like shower gels and soaps). Thus if a...
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    Re: That list of ingredients on the label or box.

    Listing the ingredients of perfume is mandatory, as with any cosmetics per cosmetics regulations (FDA for USA, EU directive for EU). 'perfume' or 'fragrance' is the 'secret formula' and may be listed...
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    Thank you for making me laugh so hard, sounds...

    Thank you for making me laugh so hard, sounds like you had a blast and I do hope you feel better :)
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    Re: Reformulations that IMPROVED on the original...

    I believe Ubar also falls into the category of well done reformulations.
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    Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E06

    This make me laugh really hard upon listening/watching (thank you for the link!) :D

    I also couldn't help and cringe at Burr talking so much and Jerome so little, just standing there nodding...
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    Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E06

    Red, if even you with your enormous patience and good will is getting bored, that must be sayin' somethin' LOL
  100. Re: Keeping update with the latest news on the fragrance industry: your favorite bookmarks/feeds?

    Thank you :)



    Thanks, I'll look them up :)



    Thank you, links are appreciated! :)
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