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  1. Re: Just started, please help me with a fragnance

    Not gonna lie, I read this and my first immediate thought was - “Damn, does he know something I don’t know?” Hahahaha I’m such a dummy. :rolleyesold:
  2. Re: Perfume Pyramid: What is the reason for categorising ACs the way they have been?

    Don’t try and incorporate the pyramid into your work. There’s no set defined amount or percentage of top/base/middle notes. It’s beneficial to know where certain compounds impact and work in a...
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    Re: Tonquitone PCMF DEPR

    Yes to all of this!!! Ha! I love it. It is true, as paul suggested, musks always work best with friends.
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    Re: Alcohol based perfumes

    Some perfumes have solubizers in them which allows for small amounts of water to “dissolve” into the perfume alcohol solution. Do not add water unless you have the proper additives. It is my...
  5. Re: Suggestions on making an Elemi accord which functions in the mid the base range.

    Thank you all for the great suggestions so far! I'm looking forward to trying them once I am back home!
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    Re: Projection on fragrance

    I agree that DHM could be used. I also agree that it is very brazen and to me it EASILY takes over a fragrance. Are the majority of your ingredients in the base note range? I know that most woody...
  7. Suggestions on making an Elemi accord which functions in the mid the base range.

    Hello all! Iím curious if anyone has some suggestions on materials that could help extend the life of Elemi EO/Elemi Resinoid. Iím attempting to formulate a base and it is proving to be much more...
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    Re: About centifolether

    To me it is definitely first and foremost a sweet candy mandarin note, like the sharp waxy peel smell of mandarin with an orange EO sweetness. That gives way to a grapefruit like peel undertone and...
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    Re: Woody/Spicy notes

    I agree with all that’s been said so far. I’m thinking guaiacwood and it’s derivatives are likely responsible such as guaiacwood acetate and guaiayl acetate. Quite possibly some vetiver like...
  10. Thread: Cilantro

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    Re: Cilantro

    I second this. I must have the soap gene!
  11. Re: Starting kit of notes for pre-prod inspo for launching brand

    Welcome! You have big big BIG expectations, which is fine as long as you understand that they are not going to materialize quickly. At all. I don’t say this to discourage you, I’m just letting you...
  12. Re: Perfume Game: Summer's night near the coastline / beach

    Damn!! I need you around for all my life decisions Paul! I didn’t think that all the way through. Thankfully I haven’t shipped it yet. I do have some 1mL sample vials that I may be able to...
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    Re: How to study musks...

    You’re right Bill. It is fairly priced at perfumer supply house but on PA it’s around 500 dollars an ounce. Maybe depends on who manufactures it?

    Either way, it’s still a large investment for the...
  14. Re: Perfume Game: Summer's night near the coastline / beach

    I am planning on cutting up a paper towel(the extra fancy kind) into little squares, putting those squares into a small bag and then soaking them with the fragrance. I’ll then place it in another bag...
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    Re: Problem with marine notes

    I find it’s a great addition to brighten floral notes in watery accords/blends. I normally use it in conjunction with helional, floralozone, heliotropin and maybe a citrusy floral note like...
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    Re: Problem with marine notes

    I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss these compounds due to first impressions. I, like you and many others, agree that by themselves they are quite harsh and not at all easy to work with. However, they...
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    Re: Sharing One's Desert Island

    From my understanding and research along with personal experience, civettone and civet musk are completely different. Civettone is a constituent of civet musk but there are a lot of other...
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    Re: Oud reconstitution

    I too am eagerly awaiting a response to this.
  19. Re: Hey, will I be too much if i asked for feedback for another formula? :)

    I would say that the level of cassis base 345b is way way way to much for me. No one else has mentioned it though so maybe it’s just a personal thing that I made up in my head. I would also try...
  20. Re: Hey, will I be too much if i asked for feedback for another formula? :)

    This was my immediate first thought too!! XD
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    Re: Formula inspired by Terre D'Hermes

    I can say for a fact that Fraters formula is indeed a fantastic recreation of TdH. I was very impressed by it. Personally, I like it more than the original.
  22. Re: Does anybody have a formula for a Perry Ellis Aqua clone?

    I knew that this was a Firmenich formula but I couldnít remember/find the original. I did edit it and the resulting formula that I posted above turned out to be very similar to Quorum Aqua.

    I was...
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    Re: A civet "absolute"

    Thank you Bill for noticing this and thank you Travis for your quick and excellent response to this. I received a refund and all in all I find the material I purchased quite lovely as is. (It was...
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    Re: Making Schiff Bases

    This is how my Cinnamic Aldehyde/MA Schiff base turned out. It’s at less than 50% dilution, that’s a clear glass vial and it’s half full, I just shook it a bit. 127169127170

    I think this could...
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    Re: Making Schiff Bases

    If only they all made white crystals. Would be easy to handle and would also push the reaction forward to completion much faster!

    I appreciate your response and am relieved that this isn’t...
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    Re: Making Schiff Bases

    Do you have any experience with Cinnamic aldehyde/MA Schiff base PKiler? I’m in the process of making one but I have never had such a dramatic color change before. It’s essentially black right now...
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    Re: what do you think of this formula?

    I think that's a solid formula! Its well built and has a good structure to it. I'm assuming you are going for a Fruity/Floral/Musk Blend. Some notes would be to maybe lower the percentage of Dewfruit...
  28. Re: Does anybody have a formula for a Perry Ellis Aqua clone?

    Happy to see you experimenting and making it your own! The sandalwood is an interesting addition and im curious how that has worked with things!

    What conditions are you working in? Are you...
  29. Re: Does anybody have a formula for a Perry Ellis Aqua clone?

    For the cedroxyde just use the cedramber but increase it to 1.5x the amount. Don’t use ambroxan with it. The allyl amyl glycolate is a hard one to replace, honestly there isn’t much that can replace...
  30. Re: Does anybody have a formula for a Perry Ellis Aqua clone?

    If you need any advice on suitable substitutions or things to leave out let me know! (I know you have limited compounds to work with)
  31. Re: Does anybody have a formula for a Perry Ellis Aqua clone?

    Eau de cologne for men (Firmenich) Ratio Grams (8) Parts
    Aldehyde C-12 MNA (10%) 1.0% 0.08g 10
    Allyl Amyl Glycolate 1.5% 0.12g 15 ...
  32. Re: Does anybody have a formula for a Perry Ellis Aqua clone?

    I don’t have one for this but I do have a really solid formula for an aqua quorum type formula.
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    Re: I Compiled the Glen O. Brechbill Writings

    Incredible!! Many thanks!
  34. Re: New (but with a background in biochem)

    I would also like to say that the TPA starter kit has a great selection of most of the core ingredients, and with them you can do a lot. I would say that you may want to get clearwood (A fantastic...
  35. Re: New (but with a background in biochem)

    Hello and welcome! Iím a chemistry guy here and I also did a biochem concentration in school! Nice to have you! I am in agreement with Pkiler, the ingredients you mentioned especially the watermelon...
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    Re: How much musks are too much?

    In my experience I’ve never really ever managed a level of to much musk, and I’ve really pushed it. Musks are so soft and warm they are practically impossible to over do, they can begin to mute the...
  37. Re: Most frustrating part for creating a perfume

    Thanks Paul! I appreciate you sharing this.
  38. Re: Most frustrating part for creating a perfume

    Id take the time to learn how much one ac changes when you believe it has taken over. Smell the AC by itself and then smell the blend and see what differences you can detect. Isolate in your mind the...
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    Re: Patchoulol refinement or substitution

    Thanks! I’ll check it out and see what other goodies I could stock up on while I’m at it. :)
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    Re: Patchoulol refinement or substitution

    Thanks so much for you’re thoughtful and informative post as always. I’ll just have to find a seller and stock up when I get the chance. I’ve got the proper equipment to run a distillation but...
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    Patchoulol refinement or substitution

    Hello friends, I have quite a few formulas that call for patchoulol. I know that it is present in large quantities in light patchouli oil and i was wondering if anyone has any experience in...
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    Oh, I see now. My apologies! I think it’s because it’s extracted from natural sources but still pretty pricey.
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    It’s Vetiverol, not benzyl benzoate.
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    I used TEC. I ground it up as fine as I could get it and then sifted it to remove any bigger impurities. Then I added the TEC and slightly heated it until I got it all dissolved. I then ran it...
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    Many thanks Xii! I’m glad you like it! :grin:
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    Sounds good! I need to get me some of the resinoid, or make my own if I can source some good resin. It’s one of my favorite notes.
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    It’s there to extend the life of the bergamot EO. You could just substitute it with more bergamot EO. If you have bergamal that would also work (though I have always thought it to smell a little off...
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    Re: Hermitage Oils bottles

    I learned the hard way with the rubber droppers. Cinnamic aldehyde, floralozone, Lavendar Aldehyde and Nepalva were all eager to eat away at it.
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    I know that creatingperfume sells myrrh resinoid. As for mine, I made it myself but I’m sure it’s not all that different. Thankyou for the links to the vetiverol, I’ll have to purchase some here...
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    Unfortunately I do not own any so I can’t say from personal experience. I have however read that vetacetex is similar and a cheaper alternative to vetiverol. I wish I knew more!
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    Yea, I do have a thing for that vetacetex ;P. If you have vetiverol you could use that. Though that’s a big if, kind of a hard compound to find.
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    If you decide to throw it together, let me know what you think! I’d love to hear your opinion.
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    Re: Hermitage Oils bottles

    Chemist here:

    I wouldn't add solvent to correct for evaporation unless you don't care about what dilution it is (I mean, i suppose you could weight everything out and do some math etc. but that...
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    Mine is at 17.99% according to my spreadsheet. Ha! I was definitely heavy handed with this one.
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    Re: Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    I'm sure that with a little experimenting I can lower it but haven't really had a need to as of yet. I made this formula back when I did formulas by drops ( Dark times ) so i tried my best to...
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    Sauvage-ish perfume formula.

    In the spirit of giving and an extension of good will to this community, im posting my Sauvage formula (its not really a clone, but very similar). I am relatively new here and I hope this formula can...
  57. Re: looking for a photo of the listed ingredients of Bora Bora Exotic for men.

    Well, you do have a damn good point there. I’ll check out those past forums and see what I can gather from them. Thank you :).
  58. Re: looking for a photo of the listed ingredients of Bora Bora Exotic for men.

    I’ve also got a pretty good approximation of it already and am trying to fine tune it.
  59. Re: looking for a photo of the listed ingredients of Bora Bora Exotic for men.

    I’m aware, it would just be somewhat of a starting point/help with choosing some of the correct ingredients. I’ve looked through the forums for anything regarding Fahrenheit and it’s quite an elusive...
  60. looking for a photo of the listed ingredients of Bora Bora Exotic for men.

    I know this is a shot in the dark and a somewhat odd request. I love this fragrance and am trying to reproduce it myself but Iíve lost the box to it :(. Itís akin to a lighter and sweet Fahrenheit....
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    Re: Diluting Flakes and Powders!

    I would say that depends on your particular environment and the purity of the compound and the diluent being used. It looks like Veratraldehyde is soluble in alcohol up to 50% but that's about all I...
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    Re: Diluting Flakes and Powders!

    If im understanding your question correctly, then yes. If you have a solid ingredient that dissolves readily in multiple solvents at roughly the same ratio then it is a matter of preference. I would...
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    Very kind of you to take the time to go over it! Your input is invaluable to me and I appreciate the time and money you put into my little endeavor here. It needs a few things to really make it into...
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    Re: Incense note needed

    May I suggest a blend by ROBERTET called Bois D'Encense. Its a lovely and unique blend that suits my needs rather well when I want a smokey incense warmth character. Its relatively inexpensive and...
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    Re: ambroxan alternative

    I agree with trying Fixateur 505. It isn’t cheap but it’s certainly a handy tool to have. As far as it being smoother and less sharp, I doubt you will be satisfied. If Cetalox is sharp to you then in...
  66. Re: Warming Styrax (Storax) Essence to use

    There are a couple of troublesome compounds like this. I have the same Styrax blend and depending on the day it is sometimes solid and sometimes liquid. I bought myself a small heating pad and have...
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    Re: Norlimbanol

    Its a lovely aroma chem. I use it frequently and it can be found in many different perfume demo formulas on the web. It goes by many different names, notably Karmawood and Timberol, so if you have...
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    Re: PK's Super Sugar Base

    I just mixed this up. It’s very nice PK. I’m going to try and incorporate it into a blend I’ve been working on that’s a watery green floral blend. Hopefully it will turn out decently and I won’t...
  69. Re: Perfume Game: Summer's night near the coastline / beach

    I'd really like to give this a go. I'm absolutely bored and this would be a fun activity and keep me productive! SIgn me up :D.
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    I believe your substitutions will only serve to make it a little more nuanced in different ways but they shouldn’t effect the direction of the composition. I’m just glad my work could give you some...
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    Awesome!! Please let me know how it goes!
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    Vetacetex is a blend that I have been using for some time that can be found at creating perfume. Its lovely, it is dark and kind of musty and sharp. I wouldn't really be able to compare it to...
  73. Re: Benzyl alcohol - can you smell yours for me if you've got it?

    This is a bit off topic but sort of in the same ballpark. I have a small bottle of Dartanol (Bacdanol/Sandalrome) and it does not smell at all like sandalwood to me. It's much more green and hay like...
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    I am here to gleefully share the results of my labors and the fine advice of all of you who shared your knowledge with me. I am very pleased with the results and it is more along the lines of what i...
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    Very much appreciated!! I’m making progress here with mine, I am liking it so far and have found that the civet along with coumarin really work together for this project. I’ll post my formula here...
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    Thank you for the input Bill, I never considered this before! That is indeed quite a usefull tip! I would also like to add that I am not completely brazen and am aware of certain things that should...
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    I am looking forward to implementing everything I have learned! Should be doing some work on it tonight, I'm going to go back and start over with everything taking this new approach. I was thinking...
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    Awesome! Its a bit to masculine for me but that's not to say its a bad scent. Knowledge is power and I will absolutely take advantage of the resource you provided for me!
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    Thanks again for the feedback! Im trying to reproduce something along the lines of Versace L'homme and Davidoff Zino. At the moment I feel kind of like Bam Bam just smashing away till i find...
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    Thank you Tim! I will go back and play with it. I am already learning so much. The Black pepper i have is relatively smooth and pleasant (Albeit I have two kinds and one is very much the way you...
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    So far this is what I have. Its not where I want it yet, but it turned out really nice so far. Im totally open to any suggestions/edits
    -Beta Ionone 0.15g
    -Oakmoss Absolute 10% 0.3g...
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    Re: Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    Wow! Thanks so much! I’m going to get busy with your suggestions. I’ll let you know how it goes. Thanks again!
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    Help with an 80's Oakmoss Chypre Accord.

    Hello friends! I personally love the bold 80's oakmoss/vetiver/ionone scent that is signature of men's fragrances from that time. I have been trying to create an accord that embodies this smell but...
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    Re: Guava accord?

    I don’t have any personal ones but I found this list that has 3 different formulas on TGSCs website http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/demos/dm1012011.html
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    Re: How to tame Labdanum Absolute.

    Wow, why didn’t I think of that!
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    Re: How to clean sample bottles?

    I agree with the isopropyl alcohol suggestion. It’s also worth noting whether your using glass or plastic bottles. If they are plastic then they will retain the smell of whatever is put in them...
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    Re: How to tame Labdanum Absolute.

    This is a great point that I did not consider! I’ll look around for some different sources when I order my next shipment of supplies. The labdanum abs I’m using is the Perfumers Apprentice 50%.
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    Re: How to tame Labdanum Absolute.

    I did it in increments of .05g. The complete end weight is 10g and the labdanum content is at .4g. I’ll try tweaking it by .02g and see what happen! Thanks!
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    Re: How to tame Labdanum Absolute.

    Thanks! My wording was a bit off, but I should have said it influences the top notes too much so that there isn’t much transition in the scent when worn. My apologies!
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    Re: How to tame Labdanum Absolute.

    It’s also worth noting that the fragrance is a incense/oriental woody type.
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    How to tame Labdanum Absolute.

    Hello everyone! I have a question regarding labdanum absolute. I love using this and I have a pretty solid labdanum based cologne that I enjoy. My only concern is that the labdanum seems to overpower...
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    Re: beta terpinyl acetate CAS: 10198-23-9

    Maybe try a third party who can manufacture it for you? Here’s a link to one https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/chemistry/chemical-synthesis/custom-synthesis.html
  93. Re: Recommendation for a Top Note? (For Vanilla & Clove)

    Are you going for a men’s or women’s fragrance? I would suggest a touch of cardamom and a musk, a powdery one (like pentalide) if you have it for a women’s fragrance. If you are wanting a men’s...
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    Re: Perfume Formulation

    Oops! New here and somehow posted to the wrong thread!
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    Re: beta terpinyl acetate CAS: 10198-23-9

    I can’t find any suppliers online. I know you can purchase Alpha Terpinyl Acetate from Perfumers Apprentice. I second the suggestion of getting it made for you. That of course would not be...
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