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    Re: I just don't 'get' Green Irish Tweed..

    I still believe that Pierre Bourdon, um pardon me, "Olivier Creed" created in GIT a great fragrance.

    Especially as it used to smell twelve years ago... one of the most memorable fragrances I ever...
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    Re: I just don't 'get' Green Irish Tweed..

    Except for (recently retired) old Creed propaganda sheets, would you be so kind to point us to a neutral/credible source that would corroborate that assertion? Thank you infinitely.
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    Re: Mysore Sandalwood essential oil query

    Green Irish Tweed in the '90s, to the extent I can trust my nose of then, used to include authentic, quality Mysore Sandalwood, which was wrapping the whole composition in an aura of quiet beauty and...
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    Re: KL Homme is FANTASTIC!

    Hey, SoS, nice presentation, I will try to sniff KL-H sometime soon.

    By the way, I finally ordered the Al Andalus Amouage Attar blind and I will report on it soon if you're still interested. (-:
  5. Re: If you were going to meet with an officer of Creed USA what FRAGRANCE based question might you h

    What I heard:

    Erroll Flynn
    Olivia Newton-John
    Fatty Arbuckle.

    I guess time will tell (-:
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    Re: brace yourselves!!! FEUILLE VERTE lovers...

    Well, before the phony Windsor came out there also was talk about how very limited, exclusive and already spoken for the edition was... there was talk about lists and how impossible it would be to...
  7. Re: Which creed gives you the most olfactory fatigue?

    Now that I understand better the relationship between Absolute Truth and Creed, I only have to say this:

    Creed is the greatest perfume house within the known universe.

    Creed never does anything...
  8. Re: If you were going to meet with an officer of Creed USA what FRAGRANCE based question might you h

    On the Creed Boutique blog, one finds this:

    http://blog.creedboutique.com/about-creed/gathering-superb-ingredients-for-fragrance/

    For seven generations, the CREED family has set aside time each...
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    Re: Amouage Homage Attar Initial Review

    1) As much as I came to respect the superior nose of Dullah, which is truly outstanding, I humbly disagree - Homage should be left just as it is. I also think that its "attar" concentration and...
  10. Re: Creed, different notes listed in UK and US online stores!

    No worries, at some point in time some Creed batch will fit any of the discrepant descriptions they may come up with.
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    Re: Right time for CREEDS

    How very thoughtful of CREED to create two different Aventuses, without even warning the buyer, moreover, offering him the opportunity to entartain himself, through the opportunity of gambling with a...
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    Re: Question about Aventus from a novice of it

    Sorry, I would share my experience about this, but even beginning to criticize Creed seems to be a largely risky proposition these days.

    It doesn't matter how substantiated one's impressions are,...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    "I wouldn't be surprised if a decline in the EDT sales is partially attributable to the negative backlash against the "marketing" of those scents."

    Very interesting, extraordinarily imaginative...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    I believe you, Primrose, thank you.

    I remember reading Napoleon was almost literally pouring Eau de Cologne on him.

    Then only colognes I can imagine doing this with, with no nausea, are Eau de...
  15. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    Dear Mike, I am sorry you find confrontational aspects in this discussion. Why, because I dared to doubt the genuineness of the over-enthusiastic information coming from a salesman, representing a...
  16. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    Sorry, Zztop, I believe your "translation" has so much "freedom" to it as to be useless. "Traduttore, traditore," as they say in Italy.

    Please continue to do what you feel like doing and rest...
  17. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    In translation:

    "hijacking threads" = not allowing blatant forms of spin go unchallenged

    "trolling" = politely dismantling misinformation and choosing not to respond in kind to personal...
  18. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    The BN'er just relayed what the SA told him on a recent visit. Can he just not relay that bit of information?

    Yes, he can, and yes, I can express skepticism.

    Otherwise, sorry, I don't have...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Do you happen to smell that? Which formula did they use and how accurate or even remotely accurate could it have been? Thanks.
  20. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    We are discussing a brand who has unsolved credibility problems. So somebody quotes one or two sales agents talking about how "excited" their bosses are about the latest fragrance they hope to sell....
  21. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    LOL. You are welcome to talk about anything you want. Nevertheless you cannot silence others from expressing their doubts about sale-pitches emanating from perfume-peddlers hired by the House of...
  22. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    Oh, did the Creed salesmen say that?

    Then it must be true.
  23. Re: Has anyone bought these Aventus Testers At Basenotes yet I just did...hope its all good.

    Perish the thought.

    Or, as the French are fond of saying, honi soit qui mal y pense.
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    The 'GIT Made for Cary Grant' story is the one that set off my BS meter. Bourdon creates GIT in 1985, Cary Grant passes away in 1986 at age 82.



    I had dinner the other night with somebody...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Thank you, jcrich, my friend. Same best wishes to you.

    Suggestion for a future CREED fragrance launching catchphrase:

    "Mrs. Lincoln, the events of this evening apart, which divine CREED ...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    What he said. One of those few who didn't just trust "common sense" but did some inexpugnable research and offered the results for fair criticism.

    Often the pseudo-issue "I like Creed products...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Jcrich, thank you for your response. I am all for levity, but when I see myself accused by people (not you in particular) who know little about me of various imaginary sins please pardon me for not...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    "Anyone with an ounce of sense (therefore most BN'ers) knows that Creed's marketing is, at best, dubious, and at worst, total fiction."

    I believe that this is more about getting the information,...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    No to the first. Not anytime soon. Possibly yes to the second. Due to similar pressure, they've already changed their tune up to a point. I expect them to have to apologize at some point for...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Well, of course that Cary Grant, on his death bed, might have commissioned an expensive perfume from a (at the time) close-to-unknown Parisian boutique... I wonder whether the family buried a vintage...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    So how should we then baptize in turn the counter-movement which ignores the bulk of the historical evidence (or lack thereof)?

    "The Creedeniers"?

    (-:
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    This is getting a bit out of hand here guys.

    Not really. Provided politeness is being maintained on all sides, provided we don't insult each other, it was and remains a productive, relevant...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Well, nobody suggests anybody should stop patronizing whomever they please. Heck, I will continue to buy a Creed bottle once in a blue moon if I feel like it.

    The discussion was about the...
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    Re: Aventus - It is not all that

    I have never seen people frown like this as when I was wearing Aventus (or Amouage Gold), in minute quantities.

    If you'll allow for an understatement, Aventus compared to GIT is like the McDonald...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    No offense taken. I got used to being personally attacked when counterarguments are missing. It's a form of admitting that. [Moderators, please do not erase the post above of my friend, Captcrunch.]...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    As I said before, an analogy is meant to make people see the problem from a different angle, not describe a perfect identity of situations.

    Antiques are purchased based on its historic value....
  37. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    A great 2008 thread on Creed (which was unfortunately closed by Chris before it ran its course... apparently because the arguments "against" were too strong to be fairly addressed):
    ...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Zztop, you have a good night, too. Regardless of what you may think, I am not "the enemy."

    Believe it or not, there are people in the world who may be just as decent as you must be, yet have...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    I nominate Addict, WildThingy and HDS1963 to lead the charge because they are clearly the most passionate about this. There should be protests at the (regional) headquarters and no one should leave...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Oh, you're wisely predicting the "you're too unimportant for your concerns to be taken seriously by us" gambit from CREED.

    Much easier for them, evidently, to dismiss a legitimate, clearly...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Zztop, no analogy is perfect. No comparison is perfect. However, points are being made. Using the similarity between Tabarome Millesime and a newer, uglier, more expensive Creed fragrance. Or the...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Zztop, I appreciate the confidence, nevertheless, we don't live in the 17th century now. (I also believe there are BN-ers who visit Paris more often than I do.)

    A relevant email to Creed, followed...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Well, let's say some auction house sells an old chair for $74,000.00, under the claim that Louis XVI's royal butt, prior to decapitation, used to rest on that chair.

    Now, say it is revealed that...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    What a marvelous idea! Please share with us the gist of the reply you'll get.

    Perhaps all this ambiguity, not to use stronger words, will be finally put to rest.
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    In our day, with information circulating faster and easier than people, surely it wouldn't be so hard for CREED, whether in New York or Pyongyang or Paris, it doesn't matter, to go a little lighter...
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    Re: Aventus - It is not all that

    Absolutely impossible.

    No serious, honest company would even conceive of selling little bottles of fragrance, which cost them a few dollars to make, for hundreds of dollars, without a consistent,...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    A lot easier to do than it may seem . . . (-:
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    I am traveling to Paris quite often. I have visited the Creed boutique multiple times.

    If anybody would be so kind, what exactly is the Paris boutique supposed to answer which the (equally...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    Criticism and skepticism are just as much part and parcel of legitimate Basenotes activity as gushing and gregarious fanship.

    There is no reason to attack fellow Basenoters because they express an...
  50. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    One of the best classic colognes (best as in ingredient quality, not in any innovative aspects, but I could live with that) used to be Creed's Citrus Bigarrade.

    Unfortunately, it appears to be...
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    Re: Aventus - It is not all that

    Please let us know either way. Thanks.
  52. Re: Brands you avoid for reasons other than product or price?

    Thanks, Martin, this is a line I did not explore yet, at all.
  53. Re: Which fragrances never should have been discontinued?

    Les Hesperides de la Grande Serre by L'Artisan Parfumeur
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    I don't see anything wrong with that.

    It wouldn't deter me, either. You know, sometimes you buy products despite what you know about the ethics of the brand.

    Better not to know how sausage is...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    LOL... Hatred is a heavy word.

    It's not as if anybody sent some CREED luminary Luca Brasi's Eau De Sleeping Fishes. . . (-:

    There's some middle way here, you know. One can think Creed brought...
  56. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    Um, again, you are mentioning completely subjective notions here - criticism may seem unwarranted to the well-connected (insofar it contradicts the well-connected), yet useful to the...
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    Re: Aventus - It is not all that

    And the Oscar For Stating The Obvious Goes To....

    (don't take offense, just teasing)

    By the way, in the light of the serial recent Royal Screwups in the CREED quality, this passage from a...
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    Re: An Open Invitation To Creed...

    HDS, I understand your sentiments, but I wouldn't go so far. I really think they put out a couple of excellent fragrances, alongside with more mediocre ones and a good number of real duds. (In fact,...
  59. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    Once again, Zztop, one person's "troll" is another person's eye-opener.

    I could have expressed doubt about the veracity and objectivity of the opinions of somebody who had access to Creed products...
  60. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    You don't have to share how you got early access to future Creed fragrances and I will do you the courtesy of not guessing.

    On the other hand, attributing "obvious reasons" to others, claiming to...
  61. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    Sorry, zztop, finding some delicate difference between two fragrances doesn't mean that they are more different than they are similar.

    I didn't claim Tabarome Millesime and Spice and Wood were...
  62. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    I can see your point but, to be fair, CREED has made (or likely took credit for) at least a couple of memorable masculines, including one of my all-time favorites (reportedly created by Pierre...
  63. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    I remembered something interesting - many of CREED's claims ranging between suspicious and outrageous were not simply propagated by outside rumor-mongers. Even now on some sites the not-so-old...
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    Re: Aventus batch numbers

    I guess that a refund for those who got some of the flawed fruits of experimentation and inconsistency is not part of the brand's favoured policies.
  65. Re: Preview of new Creeds: Original Cologne, White Flowers, Jardin D'Amalfi

    Thank you for your takes on these - how did you get access to them, if one may ask?

    The only one I am familiar with, for obvious reasons, is Spice and Wood. I disagree with your presentation - bad...
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    Re: 10 Creed Samples Group Discussion Thread

    Anything in these latest public messages which could not have been solved through private messaging?
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    Re: Creed Aventus and olfactory fatigue?

    Same here. I had/still have a decant of the very first batch (the supposedly pineappley one). To be fair, I experienced no sillage/longevity/olfactory fatigue issues with it. The problem is that even...
  68. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    I have no trouble accepting a royal history, with the good and with the bad.

    I have troubles swallowing what is sadly a 90% made-up history, fairy tales preying on the good faith of the customer....
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    Re: Jean-Paul Guerlain Exrteme Racist

    Just so we're clear.... I know that the old Guerlain dude was accused because he said he worked like a "n....." on a given perfume? Was that all? Besides this rather unfelicitous figure of speech...
  70. Re: Does anyone besides me have horrible Creed sprayer issues..?

    It seems, based on multiple reports, that Creed sprayers got around 64% full success rate. That's wonderful and above other averages of the house, such as the "good" crops of Aventus!

    Given how...
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    Re: Jean-Paul Guerlain Exrteme Racist

    At least two Basenoters seem to have formed a consensus . . . (-:
  72. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    PS Fishing my Luca Turin guide, it says "Probably the only truly great fragrance produced by this firm, it was composed in 1985 by Pierre Bourdon".

    Is this corroborated from other sources? If yes,...
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    Re: Creed Aventus and olfactory fatigue?

    One also wonders whether in such case olfactory fatigue is not so much an annoyance as a gift from God.
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    Re: Creed Aventus and olfactory fatigue?

    Well, look on the bright side. At least it's a dirt cheap product.
  75. Re: Does anyone besides me have horrible Creed sprayer issues..?

    It could be that the sprayers are the only elements in the Creed paraphernalia which go back before 1970... possibly even 1760. . . it means I was wrong, they aren't lying always. . .
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    Re: What have people told you that you smell like?

    While wearing Xerjoff Uden, I was told by *two* people I smell like fresh, wonderful apple-pie!!!

    Other than that, I was told that I smell like a lemon when wearing Eau de Tropique or Citrus...
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    Re: Jean-Paul Guerlain Exrteme Racist

    Habit Rouge, on the face of it, seems proner to promote class hatred rather than race hatred.

    (Just kidding.)
  78. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Interestingly enough, all the Alfonso/Cary Grant/Don Juan etc. claims have recently disappeared from the official propaganda, nevertheless, the following assertion is still being made: "Green Irish...
  79. Re: What goes through your mind when you smell someone with Acqua Di Gio?

    "At least it's not one of the insulting ones".
  80. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Another relevant post from another older thread:

    I've been looking into the various Creed stories and legends as a kind of recreational easter egg hunt and it's an amazing look at how PR of...
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    Re: Windsor selling out...

    That's funny, I own and wear both Creed Windsor I and II. I don't find them to be subtantially different.

    Obviously there are other opinions.

    Quote from Dullah:

    To be honest the more I wear...
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    Re: Windsor selling out...

    Most people who complain about Creed fragrances on this forum don't buy them from authorized dealers anyway.

    What difference does that make in the case of Aventus, a 2010 fragrance, unless we are...
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    Re: Creed Feuille Verte...

    It is not likely, but if so, however slim the chance, I would surely love to know about it.
  84. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Dear Riddler, I was hoping you were trying to create a somewhat funny diversion. I see you were serious. "What I heard" (provided it is not backed by tangible evidence) is of no relevance....
  85. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Just so I explain the review... I usually don't leave reviews, I prefer to read reviews left by others.

    I decided during our past few days' conversation to warn the readers who might be enthralled...
  86. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Either this is a joke, and then it is not a joke in the best of taste, trollling rather, or it is serious, and then - once again! - evidence is needed for such serious, moreover, grave suggestions. ...
  87. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Thank you, Zztop, for your latest commentary. I will be the first to admit to a certain repetitiousness in my latest interventions. However, as long as obvious CREED propaganda is being offered...
  88. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Dear Martin, I much appreciated your polite response. I do not doubt you're sincere, and I can easily see why one could think/feel that way. After all, I had GIT on my shelf for the better part of...
  89. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    MoonB, this is the best reply you've offered me so far.

    No, I didn't accuse you (OR zztop) of being a Creed representative. There are people on these forums who obviously are. I'm not whining....
  90. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    I find the overall Creed marketing tack (or lack thereof), the blend of dignified fact and fiction, to be very clever, fun and entertaining (and harmless). Ok, so Winston Churchill reportedly liked...
  91. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Dear Zztop, it would be just as easy for me to presume personal/pseudo-psychological things about other posters when (and if) I run out of arguments.

    Too easy in fact.

    I choose not to do it. I...
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    Re: Windsor selling out...

    As of today, the customer "only" gets the chance to grab 162 Windsor flacons. . . that's from the Boutique, not including the Windsors which seem to pop out out of nowhere in unexpected,...
  93. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Zztop, I agree that France isn't everything. I mentioned it because in France Creed is regarded as little more than a joke good to fool gullible American people, eager to nourish "royal" fantasies...
  94. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Sorry, MoonB, I won't play the insults game.

    "Creed has never issued a public "propaganda sheet" as you so call it."

    With all due respect, this is simply not true. They did. The "legends"...
  95. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    The fact is that Creed's own propaganda sheets from around 1999 [such as those printed by the old Creed boutique) were naming ALL the names circulated around Creed's fabricated history, so they were...
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    Re: The Official Creed Green Irish Tweed thread!

    "Last I heard Erwin Creed sprays GIT in the shape of a crucifix on his chest before putting his shirt on."

    Well, if he were of Jewish faith, spraying a Star of David would have been a lot more...
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    Re: The Official Creed Green Irish Tweed thread!

    Last question: given that my GIT is being autographed by Erwin Creed, should I spray from an unnatural angle just so I preserve the signature, or should I smear the signature with my unworthy fingers...
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    Re: The Official Creed Green Irish Tweed thread!

    Dear Abby

    What is the best way to spray GIT?

    My grandmother says it should be one to the left knee, one to the right side of the chest, one to the neck but at a 145.5 degrees angle.

    My...
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    Re: The Official Creed Green Irish Tweed thread!

    All of us basenoters need to heed that advice, I think, including me . . .
  100. Re: Perfume is like Wine, Creed says. Interview with Erwin Creed in my local paper this morning.

    Nor will they likely prove it, anytime soon.

    Take Guerlain. I've read in the past the wonderful book "Guerlain, Perfume Bottles Since 1828" by Atlas/Monniot. I wish I'd have bought it, but I...
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