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    Re: Buying decants and samples (UK)

    The problem was with Scentsamples system, but they sorted it out pdq and I've had no problem with subsequent orders.

    The site I bought from was http://www.scentsamples.uk.com/

    There's another...
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    Re: Buying decants and samples (UK)

    My order turned up today - there was a problem with their system. I'll be buying from them again.

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    Re: Buying decants and samples (UK)

    Hmm... I ordered some decants a week ago and as yet have no decants or reply to my mail asking what's happening. I'll give 'em another couple of days then see if I can get a refund from paypal.

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    Re: Zinc in the life and smelling of a Perfumer

    Zinc is an essential trace element and you'll get very ill if you don't have any. Though spraying it up your nose sounds like a bad idea, especially as you'll get enough if you eat a balanced diet.
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    Re: Buying decants and samples (UK)

    This is great news - I used to buy from scent samples before they vanished from e-bay.

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    Re: Cherrywood source?

    If I find out I'll be sure to post.

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    Re: Negative emotions scents

    How about iodoform? That's what you can smell in hospitals. I doubt if it's any use in perfumery, mind.

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  8. Re: S.O.S. Room stinks of chemicals and can't ventilate due to storm

    Cyclodextrins. eg Febreze floor cleaner. Pour it on neat.

    Interesting article about them - by Luca Turin - here:

    http://doublebasenotes.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/purification-by-luca-turin.html
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  9. Re: Concentrated alcohol and possibility of stripping color from clothings

    That'll depend on the dye...

    Reagent and Dye Solubility Chart:

    http://www.ihcworld.com/_technical_tips/solubility_chart.htm

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    Re: Cherrywood source?

    I have a few ml of cherrywood EO and it's rather lovely. The person who gave it to me should be in the country for a few days near Christmas; if I see him I'll ask about its availability.

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    Re: Where to get some rare absolutes

    'Don't GIVE a newbie a fish, TEACH them HOW to fish'

    Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day
    Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life

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    Re: how do u clean your glass beakers

    Vanillin dissolves quite easily in acetone, so that'll work.

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    You need to use actual acetone rather than nail polish remover, because that has other stuff in it.

    Then...
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    Re: New and a little confused...

    Let's say you want to make a rose perfume.

    You could use some rose fragrance oil (but you won't know exactly what's in it, and you might not be able to obtain any more)

    Or you could make a...
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    Re: New and a little confused...

    The formulae aren't that scary when you realise that, say, a jasmine base may contain twenty or thirty aroma chems. Because you can always use real jasmine. And, of course, the real jasmine consists...
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    Re: New and a little confused...

    Could be. I don't know.

    Though at least one of the 'aldehydes' oils is a little more informative, as it lists some exact percentages.

    Contains allergens as defined under the European Cosmetics...
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    Re: New and a little confused...

    Some companies do provide an MSDS, though they don't give the exact amounts. I received a free sample of 'Sandalwood Fragrance Oil' when I ordered some ISO E (ages ago now) and checked out the data...
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    Re: Books for Novices

    Someone lent me a copy of the Curtis and Williams. It's good. I saved money on materials as it provided sample accords (with variations and explanations), which gave me a direction - instead of...
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    Treatments for Anosmia

    Found this as I was idly browsing my life away this morning, and thought that it might come in useful if anyone loses their sense of smell.

    Living without smell or flavour
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  19. Re: NPR Radio Interview now available for listening... - with Paul Kiler, PK Perfumes

    Neato!

    And you take photos! Me too. I really like the last three in your Soulvoices and Timeshadows portfolio. I made similar photos when I was experimenting with home made lenses.

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    Re: Handsome, manly bottles?

    How manly does the bottle have to be?

    Maybe an aluminium bottle? You could punch a name in with metal stamps.

    Call it MILITARY EFLUX COLOGNE XXX009BZ or something...

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    Re: Metal in contact with perfume

    Aluminium has a protective layer of aluminium oxide that usually prevents further corrosion, though some acids expose the bare metal.

    Apparently, patchouli oils are affected by iron. Patchouli...
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    Re: Anosmic to benzoin

    I have benzoin from olfactik diluted to 10% in ethanol. It smells like sweet toffee with a touch of smoke, though it's not very powerful (at least to my nose)

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    Re: storage of "other" aldehydes

    Lewisite (2-chloroethenyldichloroarsine) smells of geranium, apparently. But don't put it in your blends.

    Edit: I'm just kidding here. Lewisite is a nerve agent. David is right - there is no...
  24. Re: Who sells a good, budget friendly, uncut, vanilla fragrance oil?

    You can buy vanillin from e-bay. It's not expensive.

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    ... and you can obtain various spendy vanilla extracts here:

    http://www.hermitageoils.com/sale-sale-sale
  25. Re: Natural organic fruit flavors in perfume-making?

    'I have an automatic stirrer and I’ve been thinking of getting one that incorporates a heating element as well. They cost a few hundred pounds (and up) so I’ve been putting it off . . .'

    A water...
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    Re: With Ethanol & Without Ethanol

    That'll depend on yer Ayatollah:

    'Question :

    What is the fatwa regarding the use of perfumes on which it is "alcoholic"? Are these kinds of perfumes Najis and is it permissible to use them?
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  27. Thread: Hyrax Hyraceum

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    Re: Hyrax Hyraceum

    Yeah, like a cat litter tray.

    Hermitage stock it in the UK.

    http://www.hermitageoils.com/hyraceum-at-10-in-ethanol-africa-stone-1053

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  28. Thread: Blackberry note

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    Re: Blackberry note

    Cashmeran has a blackberry note. Along with freshly poured concrete and sweet camphor, so it may not be what you're after.

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  29. Thread: enfleurage

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    Re: enfleurage

    CO2 extraction at home is doable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2aIUemy9Xw

    I have a fair bit of experience with liquid CO2 (though I haven't tried EO extraction.) You need a deformable...
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    Re: Anosmic to hydroxycitronellal?

    I couldn't smell Ambroxan at all at first, so I sprayed the solution on my arm. Still couldn't detect it a couple of hours later so I topped it up. But by the end of the day I could smell it... ...
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    Re: Aroma chemicals!

    'Quick market research reply. Yes. :-)'


    I'm afraid this is even more unlikely to happen 'cos my prospective technical director/partner in crime is currently in Dubai* pouring over GC/MS analyses...
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    Re: Damp, earthy, mushroom?

    Don't forget to check the artisan section for other interesting things eg four synthetic sandalwood's and a range of musks.

    Hermitage do requests if you ask them nicely, though I don't know if...
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    Re: Damp, earthy, mushroom?

    Hermitage has Suederal.

    And a shed load of other new stuff in the 'New Lines' section. No Norlimbanol as yet, mind. I'm waiting for that before I put an order in.
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  34. Re: Where can I find 30ml Bottles like this in the UK?

    This company sells them, though you might have to buy a lot. How many are you after?

    http://www.continentalbottle.co.uk/index.html

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    Re: Fixatives and the Fleeting Scent

    I think that the perfumers term 'ozonic' is a little misleading as it seems to be used to describe fresh, oceanic smells. Actual ozone (O3) smells like halogens, metal, and sparks. The underground...
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    Re: Fixatives and the Fleeting Scent

    A bit o/t here, but does anyone know of an aromachem that smells like ozone? Not 'sea breezes' or 'ocean spray' but actual trioxygen.

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    Re: Fixatives and the Fleeting Scent

    You could always turn to the dark side...

    Precyclemone B

    'Also called myrmac aldehyde this material is manufactured by IFF, who describe it like this: “Clean, tenacious, ozone note with...
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    Re:

    You could always use a bit of everything...

    '...What happens to the leftovers? They get mixed into a big vat, thirty tons each year, and sold under the elegantly cynical name of Millefleurs. I...
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    Re: Cassis/Blackcurrant synth or accord

    'Really would appreciate in addition being pointed at just 4 or so aroma chems to start with because the more I learn the more I realise how little I know.'

    Iso E Super, hedione, ambroxan, and a...
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    Re:

    I have never made soap. But it seems obvious that if you're using NaOH then investing in a pH meter - or at least some pH paper - would be a really good idea.

    I also don't know much about the...
  41. Thread: Celestolide

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    Re: Celestolide

    You can buy magnetic stirrers for not very much from e-bay. Or you can make your own out of scrap parts. Then you can leave things to stir for as long as you like

    It's not really worth the hassle...
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    Re: Aroma chemicals!

    The man from Hermitage mailed me today to tell me that they should be stocking 'organic grain alcohol' within a couple of weeks. I put in a request and they'll also be stocking norlimbanol at around...
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    Re: Aroma chemicals!

    Hermitage have a rapidly expanding collection of interesting synthetics so it's even more unlikely we'll be doing it now.

    Check 'em out. Look under the 'artisan' tab.

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    Re: Aroma chemicals!

    'i had forgotten about olfactik. how are their goods?'

    I'm not really good enough to tell the quality of an EO straight off, so I worked out a test:

    I dipped a strip into Olfactic's bergamot...
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    Re: Time for oils to blend with alcohol

    I distil the very cheapest vodka I can find. Usually Tesco own brand. Sometimes I'm a little sloppy with the temperature, so I filter the product through a column of molecular sieves to remove any...
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    Re: ethanol absolute 99´5% for perfumes

    What does it smell of?

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    It shouldn't smell of naptha or pyridine (fish, apparently)

    It should smell like err... ethanol. Very cheap unflavoured vodka is the nearest...
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    Re: Cabreuva/Neridol

    I got my sample (Myrocarpus fastigiatus) from Hermitage

    http://www.hermitageoils.com/cabreuva-wood-essential-oil

    They've also started stocking synthetic sandalwood, which is off topic, but...
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    Re: Time for oils to blend with alcohol

    OK. The blending thing. You have to let blends of more than one thing stand around a while so all the hundreds of chemicals in the essential oils and aroma chems can slowly react together to form...
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    Re: Time for oils to blend with alcohol

    tert-Butyl alcohol forms an azeotrope with ethanol (I think) so it ain't going anywhere without a load of messing about.


    neither is the denatium.
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    Re: Time for oils to blend with alcohol

    I'm a bit confused here. Ethanol is ethanol is ethanol. It makes no difference how it's made.

    What do you mean by denatured, mumsy? Additives such as methyl isobutyl ketone?

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    Re: Cabreuva/Neridol

    It starts a little like cedar but twenty four hours later it's anise/cloves/eugenol (I have yesterdays test strip right in front of me :laugh:)

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    Cabreuva/Neridol

    I recently bought a few ml of Cabreuva wood EO. The blurb contains the following:

    'As it contains 35% Neridol it should be used in massage because Neridol is scientifically proven to penetrate...
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    Re: Mixing oil and alcohol

    Neither will mix very well with ethanol, so you'll just get two layers. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

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    Re: Alcohol-oil-water mixing

    Chances are any formula won't require water. Because water and oil don't mix. Simply use the ethanol you already have.

    The isoprop will probably come in useful for removing the last traces of...
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    Re: Aroma chemicals!

    http://www.olfactik.com/ (I order on Sunday and they usually turn up by Thursday via Royal Mail. In a cardboard bocks)

    and...

    https://www.hermitageoils.com/ (A bit faster than Olfactik, even...
  56. Re: blue Lotus, osmanthus, green tea and Sakura; What they complement and origins

    Hermitage oils sell blue lotus abs.

    http://www.hermitageoils.com/blue-lotus-absolute-nymphaea-caerulea

    I have no idea what it's like as it's so fantastically spendy.

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  57. Re: Making One's Own Molecule 01 (Straight Iso E Super)

    Perfumes are left to age after blending because all sorts of slow micro reactions may occur between the possibly hundreds of organic compounds (a natural oil may contain many compounds) you're mixing...
  58. Thread: Fresh Air

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    Re: Fresh Air

    The chem is the Humus Ether, also known as methyl fenchol.

    The accord came from a friend who works in the industry. He's allowed a certain amount of creative freedom to pursue his own projects....
  59. Thread: Fresh Air

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    Re: Fresh Air

    Further to this... I've been given a sample of an accord that smells like 'late night clean rain on dry city streets.' It's unusual stuff (it really does smell like clean London rain after a long...
  60. Re: Making One's Own Molecule 01 (Straight Iso E Super)

    1. I cant think of any reason why you would want to heat sterilise them. Rinse them with alcohol if you like.

    2. I reckon that all you'll need is a good shake to be good to go with your homemade...
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    Re: Very confusing to me - formulas

    'So am I right in thinking that if I was going to make a bottle of just ISO E and alcohol that I would use 2% ISO to 98% alcohol?'

    Nah. Give it loads. About 10% should do it.

    'Before...
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    Re: Orris concrete question

    Righto. Cheers Chris.

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    Re: Ethanol absolute 99.9

    There really isn't any need to use expensive anhydrous (absolute) ethanol unless you're planning on carrying out chemical reactions that require it. The standard 95% stuff will work just fine.

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    Re: Orris concrete question

    I should have mentioned that the cypriol was at 10% in ethanol. I've just returned to the bottle which has been ageing for a few days, and it smells good. It's as if it's taken the rough edges off...
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    Orris concrete question

    OK, questions...

    I've been given a gift of Orris Concrete (10% in DOA)

    Judging by the melting point the DOA is diisopropyl adipate, which isn't very soluble in ethanol.

    A little research...
  66. Thread: Moxalone

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    Re: Moxalone

    Assuming that 66 isn't a polycycle I'd say... *guess alert* yes it is.

    Maybe.

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  67. Re: Why aren't chemicals stronger smelling to begin with?

    Vanillin can be found on e-bay. It's about £3.50 for 100g. It's not 'the finest wild vanillin, extracted from rare vanilla plants in the thick jungles of Madagascar' but it's perfectly fine for...
  68. Thread: Moxalone

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    Re: Moxalone

    'In 1979, M. Klaus of F. Hoffmann-La Roche discovered by serendipity a new intense
    musk odorant with some damascone-like and woody nuances. In the course of synthetic
    work on aromatic retinoids he...
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    How do you like your musks?

    I've been trying out my small musk collection on strips, in an attempt to get to learn them. First thoughts:

    Romandolide: sweet, similar to the musk in branded fabric conditioner

    Velvione:...
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    Re: Cannabis in perfumery

    Good quality black hashish would probably work well in a fragrance. A lot nicer than the strong skunkweed aroma I sometimes get from passers by.

    I've not smoked either for years, but the black is...
  71. Re: Why aren't chemicals stronger smelling to begin with?

    Why? Because they don't stimulate as many receptor/glomeruli combinations. Or the ones that they do stimulate aren't considered to be very important by your brain. It probably wasn't necessary -...
  72. Thread: Musk blends

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    Re: Musk blends

    I think 'Galaxolide 50' refers to an actual product - sold as 'Galaxolide 50' - rather than pure Galaxolide diluted by weight to 50%. So if you or your supplier are diluting 100% Galaxolide, you...
  73. Re: Why aren't chemicals stronger smelling to begin with?

    Maybe an example would help?

    Try smelling some orange oil. Then try some of the components of orange oil. Start with limonene and linalool, then try octanal and decanal. The latter at full...
  74. Thread: Musk blends

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    Re: Musk blends

    Just discovered this today, and thought it might be useful.

    Apparently, 'Galaxolide 50' is in fact a solution of 65% Galaxolide. The '50' added to the name refers to the main isomer content of...
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    Re: what the heck is Iso E Super

    Just got some. Lovely stuff.

    I made a very simple Timbersilk/Ambroxan/Romandolide/Hedione blend and it's light and subtle and airy. Looking forward to refining it a little.

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  76. Re: What type bottle for diluting Aroma Molecules?

    I've got a load of clear glass bottles with metal screw caps. They have a rubber insert to stop leaks, which isn't a particularly good idea 'cos rubber smells. But they'll have to do until I source...
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    Re: The Rather Useful Simple Accord Thread

    Everything was at 10 or 20% dilution. I just divided everything by ten or twenty - apart from the jasmine and hyrac - to give the formula. So that's ten drops of labdanum at 100%. I used the EO,...
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    Re: Aroma Chemicals hardly smell?

    Maybe dilute it to 0.1% and then add it?

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    Re: The Rather Useful Simple Accord Thread

    Here is my latest accord fwiw. Formula f6a 'Honey Amber'

    Sweet Orange 12
    Bergamot 11
    Labdanum 10 (f6b will have less)
    Benzoin 10
    Coumarin 4
    Sambac Jasmin 10% 15
    Wardia 4
    Patchouli 3
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    Re: Anybody else trying this home distilling?

    Does that happen if you discard the first 5% or so that comes over?

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    Re: I Need Help, Making fragrance oil for burning

    You can separate the grapeseed oil from the alcohol (ethanol?) with a sep funnel.

    If you add the anhydrous magnesium sulphate (Epsom salts - dry in a low oven, or microwave if you're careful) to...
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    The Rather Useful Simple Accord Thread

    I'm currently reading a book that has the formulae for some simple accords. There are no ratios, and I've yet to test any of these, but I thought that they might prove useful.

    Please add to the...
  83. Re: What is the best way of getting a crystalline solid into perfume??

    What is the solid?

    In general, dissolving the solid in ethanol is the way to proceed, though I believe that other solvents are used on occasion.

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    Re: Anybody else trying this home distilling?

    I've tried this and yields are indeed low. But you can't buy fresher!

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    Re: Do you remember smells literally?

    The last time I smelled benzyl acetate was over thirty five years ago, but it was exactly as I remembered it as I opened the bottle the other day. So I think I can recall some smells quite easily.
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    Re: I've cracked this, I thought...

    It's a massive subject. There's plenty of information available on the web, but it's pretty disorganised. A site that went step by step through the production of a simple, wearable fragrance would...
  87. Re: What's a good, simple EO mix to add Aroma Chemicals to, for testing?

    Thanks Chris, I really appreciate your hints and tips. I've read your musks blog, and those - along with ambergris or a chem replacement - are almost certainly the thing that's been missing from my...
  88. Thread: new supplier?

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    Re: new supplier?

    I bought some ISO E from them before I found it for a much better price elsewhere. They sent me a free sample of their sandalwood fragrance oil. It didn't smell much like sandalwood, and as an...
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    I've cracked this, I thought...

    ...as I diluted my latest formulation - posted in another thread - and sprayed it on myself for road testing. Wow! I thought. This is pretty great. I was still thinking that an hour later, right...
  90. Thread: Fresh Air

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    Re: Fresh Air

    Thanks for the suggestions, Chris, and I might take you up on your offer. But first I need to upgrade my musk armoury for use in other projects. Hermitage look like they have a good range, so come...
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    Re: Please Critique my Recipe

    Thanks for the heads up, though I wouldn't know one from the other atm...

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  92. Re: What's a good, simple EO mix to add Aroma Chemicals to, for testing?

    You're welcome to use and abuse this formula I'm working on, but bear in mind that I've only been doing this for a few weeks so it needs a lot of work

    It also uses more EO's than you've specified....
  93. Thread: Fresh Air

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    Re: Fresh Air

    Feel free. Does anyone know where I can buy Calone or any of the others from a UK supplier btw?

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  94. Thread: Fresh Air

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    Fresh Air

    You're in a public place. It's a bit smelly. Not nice smelly, either. Maybe a packed bus or tube on a hot day in London. Someone walks by and you don't smell perfume, you smell air. Fresh...
  95. Thread: Refrigeration?

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    Re: Refrigeration?

    Yes. Put them all in a completely air tight box or your eggs and everything else will be sorry.

    I'm going to guess and say that anything citrus needs to be refrigerated, and that patchouli and...
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    Re: Tea tincture, and tinctures in general

    I'd better forget about the Daphne if they're poisonous. And I was freeze drying them..

    *kicks self for not checking*

    Never mind, my jasmine abs arrived today, and I'll just have to play with...
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    Re: Aldehydes: identification and storage

    That's useful info, Chris. Thanks.

    Do you know how long they take to trimerise? Are we talking days, weeks, or months?

    Edit: I'll check your blog and see if I can find out from the links
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    Re: Tea tincture, and tinctures in general

    The daphne in my garden is in flower.

    I'd better get out there...

    Edit: Only about 20% of the individual flowers on the heads are open, so I'll leave them to the weekend and see if I can find...
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    Re: Please Critique my Recipe

    I like the idea of the vetiver, mumsy; I'll try that as soon as I sort out a fresh supply of alcohol. I have labdanum abs 5% which is extremely rich and sweet, and the EO, which is a lot livelier,...
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    Re: Please Critique my Recipe

    Thanks to Chris and Jeroen for their links and formula tips; that's a really useful site you've made J. I'll work some of those up as soon as I obtain the ingredients.

    Here's my latest formula,...
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