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  1. Re: Sonic Maturation - discussed in "Working the Bench"

    Good info Bill, thanks. I've mostly used generic, non industrial units but they work well enough for my purposes.
    I thought it might also be worth a mention here that a heated ultrasonic unit is...
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    Re: Rosewood source or substitute

    Thanks for the added info Chris, I'll try those ratios.
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    Re: Rosewood source or substitute

    I don't think it sounds odd Bill,
    I've done the same thing but being a newbie I always question if what I'm experiencing is worth relating.

    Actually, I've combined a bit of rosemary, coriander...
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    Re: Strong Cedarwood Variety

    I'm by no means a cedar expert but the Texas cedar I have is more aromatic smelling than the Virginia I have and it's smell is less "cigar box" and closer to what I smell in closets and cedar lined...
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    Re: Rosewood source or substitute

    I'm sure it depends on the Rosewood and the Ho wood but I've noticed a slight difference between the two I have. My Rosewood, from White Lotus, smells a bit more camphorous and less fruity than ho...
  6. Re: Sonic Maturation - discussed in "Working the Bench"

    Thanks for that clarification Bill
  7. Thread: Benzoin Siam

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    Re: Benzoin Siam

    Hmmm, it's all relative I guess. Compared to other resinoids or "absolutes" that I have (Labdanum, Oak moss, vanilla - all have to be spooned/scooped) the John Steele benzoin doesn't really seem so...
  8. Thread: Benzoin Siam

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    Re: Benzoin Siam

    I have the John Steele 50% Benzoin abs from PA and it's as liquid as any other material I have, not particularly thick in any case...
  9. Re: Sonic Maturation - discussed in "Working the Bench"

    I've used an ultrasonic cleaner for this purpose and have inquired about it's use, here, in the past. I think I was given the crazy guy nod and brush-off at the time and no real discussion came of...
  10. Re: Your Exaltolide may not be Exaltolide... really.

    Is it possible that the manufacturer changed their process or have degraded their materials? From what I understand there can be a serious lack of oversight in China in manufacturing. I have been...
  11. Re: Your Exaltolide may not be Exaltolide... really.

    No way to delete double posts?
  12. Re: Your Exaltolide may not be Exaltolide... really.

    The "Exaltolide" I purchased from PA in Jan of 2013 is nearly a crystalline solid, it's a very "clean" smelling musk.

    Would Angelica Root work for you in this composition - despite IFRA...
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    Re: Alpha-Irone source?

    I have the Alpha-Irone @ 10% from Perfumers Supply House, it's a very nice material although quite subtle. When I tinctured my own orris root I detected a wonderful, warm, woody, floral, aroma that...
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    Re: Search recipes or formula of disigner

    I know this is a s t r e t c h but is it possible that MK is an unspecified Methyl Ketone?
  15. Re: You can learn perfumery at Basenotes. Thanks.

    Yes, that's probably the way to go... Occam's Razor
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    Re: Search recipes or formula of disigner

    Perhaps V is for Violet which might certainly add powder in spades with the right accord
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    Re: D carvone, does anyone have?

    PA currently has Carvone-L, I have a small sample. I've never seen D-Carvone for sale anywhere.
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    Re: How to make a Light Floral

    In addition to Hedione (HC) Hydroxy Citronellal, Hexyl Cinnamaldehyde, Lilial, Lyral, Nerolidol, Neryl Acetate and Geranyl Acetate all smell light and floral to me.
  19. Thread: Beta ionone

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    Re: Beta ionone

    I find Alpha Ionone White Coeur to be similar in odor strength to Beta Ionone with the Alpha taking the lead due to it's dry and powdery aspects, to me the Alpha stands out in a mix more because of...
  20. Re: You can learn perfumery at Basenotes. Thanks.

    Congratulations, I'm glad to hear of your success!
    I wish I could make the same declaration, I'm still struggling to make something I like, lol.
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    Re: My new perfumer's organ!

    Very nice and congratulations!
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    Re: How to get better longevity?!

    You have to design the formulation with longevity and silage in mind but it's hard to say what, specifically, is going wrong without knowing more about your particular formula and what exactly you...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    The 1yr old frankincense tincture I made is sticky when applied directly to the skin but when I add it to a composition the stickiness is not, at all, apparent. I've nearly depleted mine, when I...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    I have a Frankincense tincture that is about a year old. I put the resin inside of an electric spice grinder and stuck it in the freezer for an hour or two before grinding it to powder. I used 11g...
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    Re: Un Jardin Sur Le Nil

    Very nice, thank you!
    This looks like it might be the Raseda Body mentioned in the formula:
    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1049041.html

    reseda acetal
    hyacinth narcissus reseda...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    Thank you for taking the time to sum this up.

    So, perhaps a way of getting a reliable tincture from the resin would be to measure out resin and alcohol in equal weights, allow the resin to...
  27. Re: Ambrofix versus Ambergris, equivalent strengths?

    PA has Ambergris Olifac (IFF), I purchased some recently.
    https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-7370-ambergris-essence-i.aspx?keyword=ambergris
  28. Re: Question regarding safety guidelines for materials

    Thanks again Irina, I'll pour over those and see what I can glean from them.
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    Re: Okoumal from PA

    Nizan, I have mine at 10% and it's quite a bit stronger but not nearly as fatiguing as at 100%. Like Chris mentioned in his interesting and informative post, given that I understood it, you will...
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    Re: Supporting labdanum as base note

    BelAmi is one of my favorites, it has been reformulated since the shaker bottle, somewhere around 2006-2007, now it's in a rectangular bottle. I had both versions together and the shaker bottle...
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    Re: Okoumal from PA

    I would suggest comparing Okoumal next to something that is the opposite of amber, something not so "rich", not "spicy", not "woody", not "animalic"... definitely make sure other amber smells are...
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    Re: Okoumal from PA

    Hahaha, goes to show you how subjective smell is. Timberol, to me - in both odor strength and smell, is about as close to Ambrocenide as anything I have, with Ambrocenide having a bit of an edge in...
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    Re: Okoumal from PA

    Nizan,
    I've been anosmic to a few things from the start but eventually "learned" to smell them... it's a strange phenomenon but things that I could not smell at all eventually became very strong in...
  34. Re: Question regarding safety guidelines for materials

    Thanks Irina, I wasn't making any assumptions that the structure was similar, I understand the difference but the ways in which they are similar compounded with the ways in which they are different...
  35. Re: Question regarding safety guidelines for materials

    Thanks for clarifying Chris.
    I do put chili oil in my food... a LOT of it - I likes the spicy. In fact I rebelled yesterday and had habanero margarita's with Pulled pork nachos, covered in fresh...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    Ok, thanks for clarifying.
  37. Re: Question regarding safety guidelines for materials

    How sad :(
  38. Re: Propolis - various types from various places - long term experiment - samples welcome

    Yes, absolutely!
  39. Re: CIS-3-HEXENYL SALICYLATE Found in Essential Oils?

    I did have a brain malfunction, nothing out of the ordinary there but I took the text from your link above, lol.
    Yes, Cis-3-Hexenyl Salicylate only comes up for Narcissus - sorry for the brain fart,...
  40. Re: CIS-3-HEXENYL SALICYLATE Found in Essential Oils?

    Weird, when I cut and paste your AC type into the search string of EODB I get 70 different EO's vs typing it in by hand
    http://www.essentialoils.org/eoudb/view/Compound/880

    Guava fruit (Egypt)...
  41. Re: Propolis - various types from various places - long term experiment - samples welcome

    Silly me, I assumed for a long time that propolis and bee pollen were the same thing... I previously made claim to attempting a tincture of propolis with poor results but I had actually made a pollen...
  42. Re: Question regarding safety guidelines for materials

    I am familiar with penetration enhancer effects of EO's, DPG and alcohol. Perhaps I should have specified that I was most curious about AC's due to the fact that they are sometimes used as...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    Sorry, I'm not understanding your question, I thought I did mention EO in post #5 above. I do have several different frankincense EO's including a couple of CO2 extracts... Are the EO's a direct 1:1...
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    Re: Creed Aventus...isolating the mossy note

    Don't know, maybe Oakmoss givco? Quinolines? Verymoss? Guesses...
  45. Thread: The diy lab

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    Re: The diy lab

    Thanks, good to know, I will do that today!
  46. Re: Question regarding safety guidelines for materials

    Ok, thanks. I guess I assumed that if it was poisonous, somehow, to the skin that it would be moreso to the guts since there is no stratum corneum inside the body to prevent absorption and blood...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    All very helpful and thoughtful replies, I appreciate it.

    David, I probably will stick to the EO as I have it but I wasn't sure if the resinoid provides something the EO doesn't - stronger...
  48. Thread: The diy lab

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    Re: The diy lab

    Good to know, thanks Paul. I just got some cumin aldehyde, doesn't it also help to immediately dilute (quench) the aldehydes or buy them pre-diluted?
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    Re: setting up a workspace: odor "prevention"

    Thank you for that explanation Irina. So the polycaps inside of the bottles do contribute as they are pretty soft; the outer cap, however, is a hard and rigid plastic.
  50. Thread: The diy lab

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    Re: The diy lab

    I'm not a chemist so I can't say with certainty that the gasses do not somehow react but I know this is common practice and I have not heard of anyone complaining of nitrogen, argon or CO2...
  51. Question regarding safety guidelines for materials

    Why is the ingested amount for many materials higher than what is considered acceptable for use on the outside of the body - on skin? Photo-sensitization?
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    When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    Is the resinoid added to the rest of the solution as a solid or is the resinoid dissolved and diluted per some standard dilution? Is there any reliable way to determine how much resinoid is equal...
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    Re: setting up a workspace: odor "prevention"

    Irina, I'm not challenging your research or experience, I believe what you are saying, just wondering if different plastics and different pipettes were tested or if all plastics have been lumped into...
  54. Thread: The diy lab

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    Re: The diy lab

    Are you asking if you need a fridge?

    It's not absolutely necessary but some of your more volatile materials will go bad a lot faster with higher temps so I recommend it, I use a mini fridge. ...
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    Re: setting up a workspace: odor "prevention"

    When I originally set it up I had no idea what the color coding should be, I just used them as basic labels with material name, dilution % and solvent(s). Now that I've had some time to get my feet...
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    Re: setting up a workspace: odor "prevention"

    Mumsy,
    I'm not sure who you were offering the pipettor to but in case it was me, thank you very much for the offer but my Nexty is quite sufficient for my needs so I will decline.

    Your Mettler...
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    Re: setting up a workspace: odor "prevention"

    I just posted this pic in the DIY lab post but I'll post it here too for future reference.
    http://www.basenotes.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=23528&d=1387315997

    These little plastic cabinets...
  58. Thread: The diy lab

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    Re: The diy lab

    I personally don't like the "noise" created by all of the materials I have and use. I prefer to keep my materials in small bottles and inside of small utility cabinets that have transparent fronts...
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    Re: Maltol solubility issues

    Thanks for such an in depth reply Bill, I appreciate your knowledge on such things. I feel better about this having read your reply, what has fallen out of solution are fluffy crystals and so they...
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    Re: Maltol solubility issues

    I guess anything is possible... or maybe you have ethyl maltol which I've had no problem diluting at 10% with alcohol. I contacted PA and was assured that adulteration is not possible and that it...
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    Re: Maltol solubility issues

    Ok, 5% is working out fine so far, no separation. If it falls out of solution I'll post here otherwise it's working fine.
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    Re: Essential oil dilution

    Just dilute everything to 30% so that:
    A. You don't waste materials experimenting
    B. So that everything you blend will be at a final dilution of around 30%

    I dilute all of my materials to 10%...
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    Re: Maltol solubility issues

    Thanks Bill, that explains why the alcohol it's mixed with also smells of maltol but I wonder how gecko214 is getting 10%. Hmm, I'll try smaller amounts of Maltol to alcohol, I can't imagine needing...
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    Re: Maltol solubility issues

    Ok, so far I've tried Alc, DPG and IPM to no avail. What's up with this?

    It smells like Maltol, the PA bottle is labeled "Maltol Crystals", TGSC says alcohol is the solvent, gecko214 hasn't had...
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    Re: Maltol solubility issues

    10% is what I have been attempting. I have tried DPG but not IPM, I will try that.
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    Maltol solubility issues

    My maltol isn't dissolving in alcohol... If I heat the maltol and alcohol together the maltol crystals melt but it falls out of solution as soon as the alcohol cools. TGSC says that maltol is...
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    Re: Oud SigNature by Firmenich

    I just got this from perfumer apprentice but have not experimented with it or cataloged it yet. https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-5963-oud-aloeswood-blend-f.aspx?keyword=oud

    The only real...
  68. Re: Oilahuasca & Serotonin From Nature & Lucid Dreams

    Any reason why you don't just buy the essential oils to start or are you just wanting to learn the extraction process from the ground up? When you say "breeding the plants together"... Can you...
  69. Re: Looking for advice on a formula i created

    Seems like you want a floral chypre with a smoky leather base? Try out some different floral chypre formulations on the TGSC database and experiment with leather bases that use birch tar. ...
  70. Re: Oilahuasca & Serotonin From Nature & Lucid Dreams

    What I'm getting out of all of this is that TheDopeyOne is attempting to create/intentionally manipulate brain chemistry/physiological response in order to produce desired affects/mood...
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    Re: How to make Top note last all day?

    This cracked me up, thanks, lol!
  72. Re: Alpha Irone Now Available on Perfumer Supply House

    Sweet, I will definitely be placing an order soon!
  73. Re: Young Living FDA Inspections, Compliance, Enforcement, and Criminal Investigations

    Glad to hear that they are finally being held accountable, they've been making outrageous and outright false claims for a long time.
  74. Re: Advice on adding a baked/roasted nut scent that doesn't overpower?

    The Ambrein accord might provide a good base, it has an "orange cream-sickle" aspect to it, also consider the ethyl vanillin schiffs base for this. Nigella Damascena absolute is an excellent floral...
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    Re: Aromachemical accords

    Look up the Grojsman accord on this site, that might be of some use to you when using those particular aroma chemicals in an accord.
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/383874-Grojsman-Accord
  76. Re: Classic perfumery accords and other basic exercises

    I'll get some Ambroxan and compare but I currently only have Ambrox DL/Cetalox and a few other Ambers. The "Ambergris" tincture I made from the MF absolute has no smell, to me, once the fecal note...
  77. Re: Classic perfumery accords and other basic exercises

    Ok, back to square one, lol! They have a couple of other sketchy materials on their site too - gardenia and honeysuckle to name a couple.
  78. Re: Classic perfumery accords and other basic exercises

    There is this, I am withholding final judgement until they are properly aged of course. :)

    Is there any kind of standard evaluation period for determining when a formulation needs more of...
  79. Re: Classic perfumery accords and other basic exercises

    I'm finding this to be true of my recent experience. I've been re-creating fragrance formulas that I'm finding from various sources. I'm having to replace certain materials and guess at dilution...
  80. Re: Classic perfumery accords and other basic exercises

    I will, thanks for the suggestion!
  81. Re: Classic perfumery accords and other basic exercises

    That's good to hear, thank you so much for the confirmation. I've been concerned that I got ripped off. It's very fecal smelling, I recently tinctured some and it has been softening after a couple...
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    Re: Grojsman Accord

    Trite, moot, moving on. Have a good night folks.
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    Re: Grojsman Accord

    If his comment was indeed not pointed and there was no ill intent on his part then my response was unwarranted and in that case I sincerely extend my apology.
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    Re: Grojsman Accord

    I've never known anyone to go out of their way to feel anything, that suggests willful self harm or deceit which I can assure you is not the case. I guess I don't understand why you had to state...
  85. Re: Sandalwood essential for beard oil

    The ratios are determined by what you prefer, their application and also by the materials themselves as they can vary. Everything I've purchased from Eden has been good, no complaints.
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    Re: Grojsman Accord

    I actually like the smell of some laundry detergents, even violet-orris ones... I'm still unclear about who was "kvetching" if not missvanilla, an observation is sometimes merely an observation and...
  87. Thread: Butyric Acid

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    Re: Butyric Acid

    I have the butter CO2 from Eden and it smells like light, creamy, soured, butter... just a thought for those who want that note but might not want to use butyric acid or can't find it.
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    Re: Grojsman Accord

    I find the irones a bit tough to use sometimes, they've been used so much for baby/body powders and soaps, I find that I'm having to break my own bias toward them and use them in ways that don't take...
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    Re: Grojsman Accord

    I made one formulation using Isoraldeine 70 - because it's more orris to me, and it smells a whole lot like laundry detergent, maybe needs a little less galaxolide, lol.
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    Re: Grojsman Accord

    That's helpful, thanks for the explanation.
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    Re: Grojsman Accord

    This explains why Isoraldeine(s) and Methyl Ionone Gamma(s) smell so much alike. The isoraldeines reportedly have a little more staying power but they seem a little less voluminous and in some ways...
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    Re: Grojsman Accord

    Chris mentions above that substitutions can be used, he doesn't say which version is in the original formula. I'm wondering if the original formulation specifies a particular Methyl Ionine Gamma...
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    Re: Grojsman Accord

    Is there a precedent for using Methyl Ionine Gamma 95 vs Methyl Ionine Gamma 70 in the originators accord?
  94. Re: Sandalwood essential for beard oil

    I think Nizan is on to something with the Amyris, it's inexpensive and has a warm, woody, dry, cedary-sandalwoody smell. Texas cedar is a very dry and aromatic cedar. If you need it to smell more...
  95. Re: Taking the plunge for a White Lotus order?

    I would purchase the 1/16 oz quantity rather than the sample vials because they come in a small bottle with a screw on lid. Those little glass sample vials don't really stand up so the material flows...
  96. Re: Esters as Flavoring agents, Chemistry Class notes

    Could be useful, thanks Paul
  97. Re: Sandalwood essential for beard oil

    I cut my beard off today, got tired of being poked in the lip by bristle, lol.

    There are quite a few synthetics that attempt to mimic some aspect(s) of sandalwood, conducting a keyword search at...
  98. Re: Classic perfumery accords and other basic exercises

    I have done a little bit of this but it always turns out so bad for me, lol - This is why I started to focus on known accords. I read a post recently, by Chris I think, (paraphrasing) where he said...
  99. Re: Classic perfumery accords and other basic exercises

    This is how I have been reproducing the things I am familiar with. I'm using the EOU db and the internet to find GC/MS reports and using them as a reference in recreating some smells... The big...
  100. Re: Classic perfumery accords and other basic exercises

    Thanks,
    My only setback with musk accords is that I don't have some of the actual animal musks they are based on to compare. I hope to buy some Hyraceum sometime soon but the deer musk will be...
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