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  1. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I forgot to say I got ColHP's version yesterday and have been testing it on a strip. Patchouli galore! In a good way. I'm sure there must be a lot more patchouli here than I used in mine. I get a...
  2. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Thanks for the review Cybervoltage. I would definitely be into sharing formulas here. Lets wait until everyone has smelled each others though. There is actually no eugenol as such in mine, maybe very...
  3. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I received a nice little box of "humidor sprays" today. And I didn't even know my humidor needed spraying.

    Thank you Mumsy! And you included a sample of the vintage too - I wasn't expecting that....
  4. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I'll give it a go, thanks. Sounds relaxing at the very least. This cold has been pretty short lived, I'm nearly over it now. Normally they drag on for ages.

    Also, an interesting thing is that...
  5. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Actually, I'm just getting over a particularly bad cold – maybe it travelled over to you in the envelope! I don't think I ever had a cold as bad – sneezing, headache, fever, shivers, sweating and now...
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    Re: Brand New Smelly Game

    Fragrance B sounds nice for spring. The given notes are quite different to those of Zino, so it should be a nice change.

    I'll certainly give it a go. Thanks David!
  7. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Fancy! :wink: Can't wait to smell it. Knokitoff indeed!
  8. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    "Zino by Renegade" has made it past the post office clerk and is hopefully on the way to the five of you now.
  9. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Sounds great. OK, I'll go ahead and PM everyone with my address and they can reply with their own. I'm looking forward to smelling all the different interpretations, it should indeed be fun.

    EDIT:...
  10. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Renegade = Ireland.

    So, 5 people to send samples to - that's not too bad. I'll make mine up today. So we all send each other our samples individually, is that correct?
  11. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I'll have mine ready to send this week. I've been working on it over the weekend. It doesn't seem quite "finished" yet, but then again some reviews seem to suggest Zino is a bit rough around the...
  12. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Coumarin is definitely sweet to me, but with a dryness too. I haven't yet used any replacements or alternatives to coumarin, although I know there are some offered.

    For me, it doesn't smell...
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    Re: New Baby Smell

    Maybe you could track down some Baby Oil? Although I doubt it's distilled any more these days. And if it is, it's normally from the more unpleasant smelling babies that no one wants.
  14. Re: Recs please for a newbie that wants to give her sandalwood it's just due +

    Good sandalwood oil, to me, is pretty subtle - especially when diluted. So if you don't want to wear it pure, or don't have enough to do that, then I would be very careful with your blend, keep it...
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    Re: A Message To Our Community

    BA, I have no problem with what you're doing at all. I don't think it's for selfish reasons and even if I did I wouldn't care. I have nothing against entrepreneurship. And like I said, now that I see...
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    Re: A Message To Our Community

    OK, just had a look. $4.99 isn't that bad actuallly. I'm such a cynic.
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    Re: A Message To Our Community

    $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

    Sorry, but I like it here just fine. Good luck to you though.
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    Re: Stereotypical men's cologne

    And now the new stereotype in mens fragrance seems to be dry woody types like 1 Million, Invictus, Bleu de Chanel. They all remind me of airport duty free shops.
  19. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Sorry I haven't been posting on here when I said I'd join in. I'm disgustingly lazy.

    I did make one version when we began; not bad but too sweet and powdery. I made another yesterday and I still...
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    Re: Linalool - A Flavor Perspective

    Wow, a versatile material indeed. I have thought to myself before how versatile it is in perfumery, especially with floral bases like honeysuckle, lily, orange flower, even carnation, jasmine,...
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    Re: Where to get perfumers alcohol online

    First of all, I'm sorry if my tone seemed mocking. I don't doubt that this is a good source and I applaud you for taking the time to share it.

    I was just amused, surprised (and perhaps even...
  22. Re: First ever perfume finished with a crimped bottle......

    Looks great, and I like the colour of the perfume too. Lucky daughter!
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    Re: Apologies to DIY

    Great to have you back here Saponier, and I'm glad you're starting to feel a bit better. We all had so much fun smelling the materials you kindly sent and I hope you'll enjoy your return to Fragrance...
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    Re: Arctander Perfume and Flavor Chemicals

    Yikes, that's a lot of pages to copy.

    I have the second volume only (K-Z). I saw it on Alibris listed for something like $35. The listing didn't specify that it was only for the second part, but I...
  25. Thread: Safranol

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    Re: Safranol

    I think you're thinking of safrole, a different chemical.
  26. Thread: Safranol

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    Re: Safranol

    You probably mean safranal (not -ol). I would like to know more about this myself as I love the smell of saffron. It's limited to 0.005 % of a finished fragrance by IFRA - I wonder if it has much of...
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    According to the Scent & Chemistry book, "Dior Homme" contains "0.25% of the most expensive orris root absolute", while "Iris Silver Mist" contains 4.5% of orris butter.
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    Re: Lime / Vanilla Fragrance

    Expressed lime oil will give you a much more natural lime zest note as compared to the boiled sweets effect of the distilled oil.
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    I don't think you do; just money. If you want to familiarise yourself with the smell of orris root you can buy dried root online in many places and if it's good quality it should have the distinctive...
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    And the absolute should be even more expensive than the butter.
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    Where did you get it and how much did it cost?
  32. Poll: Re: Which BASE note do you think smells best with vanilla?

    With all due respect, may I ask why you want to know? Are you doing market research?
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    Mine are all kind of old-fashioned:

    Jasmine Abs (Officinale) - For its deep fruity indole notes and the richness it gives even in small amounts.

    Civet Tincture - An "ancient" smell, very...
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    Re: Heliotrope / Heliotropin

    Glad you liked it! I agree, it's a must have reference material.

    I must get some of those other materials myself. That costus oil is expensive though (it generally is, I think). I have some...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    That's very interesting about your 6-methylquinoline, Irina. I have to say, before I bought this material I was expecting something much more animalic and dirty myself. When I read the description on...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    OK, here we go:

    #176: 6-methylquinoline, 10% in DPG
    #351: Tahitian Vanilla Crystals, 20% in DPG ("Tahitian Vanilla Abs X Natural Vanillin")
    #793: Benzyl Salicylate, Undiluted

    They were not...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    Sadly, I still haven't received any notes from Paul Kiler, Saponier or indeed BAGreat - 3 people out of the 6 that I sent materials to.

    That's a bit disappointing, but I'm sure they all have good...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    How interesting, mumsy, that you picked up on the cherry / almond note in #934 - and even had the same guess as me. When I found out what the material actually was I thought I probably had just...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    OK, I suppose I'll have to post mine myself as well:


    #261


    1. Environment: Small room with a window and a door, no potent odours. Time and date: 23/10/2014, 12:00. Already diluted to 10% in...
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    Re: Variability of Birch tar oil?

    Thanks for sharing your results Pears, absolutely fascinating! Probably not something I'll be trying anytime soon myself, but maybe someday. There must be something like this on the market already -...
  41. Re: My Alcohol Perfume Is Oily Sticking Left On My Skin And Not Drying After Evaporate

    30% is a high concentration; most modern perfumes are far less. DPG won't reduce the oiliness at all, in fact it will simply make it worse. So, if a lower concentration doesn't result in a...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    Most interested. I might even mix it up myself.
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    Re: Variability of Birch tar oil?

    Interesting question Pears. You have probably read what Arctander has to say about birch tar oil - "...the most interesting components are the non-phenolic ones". I'm not certain whether guaiacol and...
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    Re: Naturals With Great Projection

    Patchouli oil.
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    Re: Where to get perfumers alcohol online

    Just had a look at that website. Not sure if it's genius or insane or a bit of both!

    "Extraction Artists across the globe know the secret, now, so do you."

    "KleenXtract is a revolutionary...
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    Re: is good sandalwood even a thing anymore?

    2.5 hours in and the santalol is a bit more pleasant although still quite plasticky and greasy smelling to me. Not sure I like it by itself. A fresh application reveals the urinous side. Without...
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    Re: is good sandalwood even a thing anymore?

    I think the Santalol Hermitage sell is from Robertet. I bought 1ml of that and it wasn't as clean and smooth as I expected. I don't know what the purity of it is, but to me it is still a bit phenolic...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    Brilliant! Who knew such different worlds could collide... That is just perfect.
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    Just reading your #138 again - Irina says "Swamp thing" while I say "Straight-laced businessman". Quite the difference! I will have to dig that one out again.
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    #793
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    mumsy on #793:

    http://www.viewdocsonline.com/document/t4o13a
    ...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    #351
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    mumsy on #351:

    http://www.viewdocsonline.com/document/af5b2p
    ...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    #176
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    mumsy on #176:

    http://www.viewdocsonline.com/document/iy9pns
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    Re: Heliotrope / Heliotropin

    At 25% in IPM:

    http://www.proxisante.com/fr/nature-identique/775-heliotrope-a-25-sur-mip.html
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    Re: Blind nose training: ALL RECEIVED NOTES ON #292

    Wow! Sounds like an Etat Libre d'Orange blurb. Great imagination!
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    I'll be nice: sundown wherever you live.

    Seriously though, I understand sometimes life gets in the way. Of course, PK and Saponier, I can still add your notes to the others whenever you're ready...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    I haven't received any notes from PK or Saponier (or BAGreat [not sure if you received the materials I sent?]).

    I completely understand that some people are extremely busy, but could you let me...
  57. Re: Can you give me feedback for perfumersupplyhouse.com ?

    Nothing to worry about at all. Excellent products and even better customer service.
  58. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    Probably sweet orange oil, terpeneless.
  59. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    Also only a tiny amount of moss (not sure what the word after "Mousse" is... "Cawili"?). And no coumarin (as far I can see). Doesn't look right to me at all, but then I haven't tried it.

    But...
  60. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    I don't know which would have been used, if any, just that there seems to me to be a strong orris note in addition to the methyl ionone. I used 5% Orris Oil (=Butter) in mine (which seems like a huge...
  61. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    Trufflehunter, I don't think 3% of clove oil is too much. I have a tiny sample of vintage Mitsouko and indeed there is a strong clove note. I would guess it is even backed up with more isoeugenol for...
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    Re: Search recipes or formula of disigner

    Coumarin and vanillin along with the lavender, patchouli and rose element will give you a very strong powdery effect. The civet helps, as will a little orris. No nitromusk necessary. I'd guess there...
  63. Thread: Pipettes

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    Re: Pipettes

    The price would indeed be for 1000 pcs. I got 250 for €10.25 elsewhere. You will also need the little teats to draw up the liquid: like these. Not sure how many you get for that price, but you really...
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    Re: Search recipes or formula of disigner

    The original formula for Jicky actually listed Guerlain's own "Eau de Cologne Impériale" as one of its ingredients. See here.
  65. Thread: Pipettes

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    Re: Pipettes

    You can keep it next to the bottle without washing if you want but it is not ideal because you can end up with degraded aroma materials building up on the pipettes. I do it anyway (don't tell anyone).
  66. Thread: Pipettes

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    Re: Pipettes

    Then I would recommend something like these: https://shop.poulten-graf.de/en/oxid-oxid-3/oxid/oxid/Pasteur-Pipettes-VOLAC-disp-glass-150mm-in-pcks-of-1000-unplugged-BS5732-ISO7712.html

    They can be...
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Oh, I see. I was starting to feel guilty there for a moment as I had already revealed the identities to Mumsy and Newtothis (THEY MADE ME DO IT). Clean conscience now. Thanks.

    I am feeling much...
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    OK, my lips are sealed. Good luck with the video.
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Got your notes Irina, thanks!

    So far:
    notes sent to: everyone
    notes received from: Mumsy, Newtothis, Irina
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    Re: Advice on a formula

    Maybe some patchouli in the base then?
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    Re: Advice on a formula

    How about bumping up the rose note? A bit more absolute and a good bit of PEA. And maybe some aldehydes? C12 MNA for an incense effect since it's supposed to be "spiritual"? Some olibanum oil?
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    How sweet, thank you so much! :dankk2:
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    All done, and just in the nick of time as I definitely feel a cold coming on. I've sent reports to everyone. If I've missed anyone out let me know.
  74. Re: 2,6 nonadienal ( cucumber aldehyde ) in Arranging Fine Perfume Compositions - Brechbill

    Perfumer's Apprentice are offering "Cucumber Aldehyde Natural". Different product? When you click the link for the MSDS it gives the CAS No.: 18829-56-6 as opposed to 557-48-2. Descriptions seem...
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Going swimmingly! Finished making the dilutions today. Some very interesting materials amongst them. Definitely some I haven't smelled before. (Or have I?)
  76. Thread: Tolu balsam

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    Re: Tolu balsam

    Or get Tolu Balsam Absolute.
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    Re: Okoumal from PA

    Things I would put in the same family: Ambrocenide, Ambermax, Norlimbanol, even Aldron. They all have different nuances, strengths and substantivities of course but to me they all give a broadly...
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    Re: Okoumal from PA

    I can't remember if I could smell it neat. I think I have it tucked away now in a drawer somewhere because it was quite strong. Anyway, as far as I can remember it was another one of the seemingly...
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    Re: Okoumal from PA

    Yes, I got some last year and can smell it.
  80. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Isn't that a different fragrance? Davidoff by Zino Davidoff, not Zino by Zino Davidoff? :confused:
  81. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak7Hu5-BIp0

    I'm in!
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    Re: Musk ketone and DPG

    DPG just doesn't work. Haven't tried the other two you mentioned but Benzyl Benzoate or Benzyl Salicylate can be used (unfortunately they have their own smell).
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Got Saponier's today. So that's me ready to go.
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    Re: Plasticine / playdough

    Just tried 1 part Ambrarome to 3 parts Heliotropine. Works for me, although I don't have any playdough around to compare with.
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    Re: Plasticine / playdough

    Do you have Ambrarome? Maybe mixed with Heliotropine.
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Still just waiting on Saponier's to arrive. Hopefully in the next day or two.
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    Re: Scent for an exhibition

    I don't suppose you'd like to tell us what the exhibition is about, or if your scent is supposed to communicate anything in particular?
  88. Re: Is THIS Ambergris? (Old Fritzsche Brothers vial)

    No, all gone it seems. Nothing listed anyway. Seller is: wewisewomen1.
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Got PK's today. Merry Christmas to you too, Paul! Beautiful woodcut, and definitely the first Christmas card of the year! Might wait a while before sticking it on the mantlepiece though...

    And I...
  90. Re: Is THIS Ambergris? (Old Fritzsche Brothers vial)

    I'll have to leave it to you in my will Mumsy! Though I'm still young so don't hold your breath... :tongue:

    Yeah, it's quite a romantic little object. It was fortunate that there was anything at...
  91. Re: Is THIS Ambergris? (Old Fritzsche Brothers vial)

    Thanks luigi_g! It hadn't occured to me that it might have been an absolute. That would explain the appearance. Would an absolute or resinoid have originally been quite solid and needed heating to...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    Coumarin was the first one that sprang to mind for me aswell. Ambroxan smells sweet to me. I don't think Sandalwood Oil has been mentioned... or one of the sandalwood synthetics.
  93. Re: Is THIS Ambergris? (Old Fritzsche Brothers vial)

    Some more nice detective work Pears. Thank you so much.
  94. Re: Is THIS Ambergris? (Old Fritzsche Brothers vial)

    Thanks Chris, that's interesting to know. I suppose the mystery continues. This tincture is only about 4 months old so it will be interesting to see if it changes much after a year or two. That...
  95. Re: Is THIS Ambergris? (Old Fritzsche Brothers vial)

    Very interesting, Pears, thank you very much. Then, I see they also list "Civet Paste W" and "Orris Root W", both substitutes for the genuine material. I would have thought that if it was artificial...
  96. Is THIS Ambergris? (Old Fritzsche Brothers vial)

    http://i59.tinypic.com/2dh6xcj.jpg

    http://i59.tinypic.com/142dnax.jpg

    http://i60.tinypic.com/25tglja.jpg

    http://i58.tinypic.com/25a6a1g.jpg

    Okay, yes, I know it says exactly what it is on...
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Got Mumsy's today. Thanks!
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    Re: Musk xylene/musk ketone

    DPG doesn't work well at all. Don't waste your material. I've diluted musk ketone at 10% in benzyl salicylate and ethanol, and also in benzyl benzoate and ethanol. Unfortunately they do form crystals...
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Yes, I was actually expecting them to cost a bit more according to the online calculator. Maybe the Post Office lady was just feeling kind.

    Irina, I received yours today. Numbers all correct. I'm...
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    OK, mine are all sent now. Only cost €1.95 each. Now lets hope they get there. Please let me know if they do, or don't.
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