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    Re: Favorite "won't break the bank" scale?

    You're welcome, Paul :) They are perfect for training classes. Enjoy yours, they are huge fun! :)
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    Re: Favorite "won't break the bank" scale?

    You're welcome :)
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    Re: Favorite "won't break the bank" scale?

    For my beginners students I recommend this one:
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  4. Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? closes Sept 22nd

    My thoughts exactly! :thumbsup: Sounds like a great plan :)
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    Those are fab, Paul :)
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    Thank you for participating and chatting with me :)
    I still need to decide on my choice....

    This is so exciting :D

    There is also a chance of receiving doubles LOL
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    Sounds great :)
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    Dear Adam, that is lovely of you to offer, but the problem has been resolved.
    As long as everyone posts no ethanol dilutions, ethanol tinctures, crystals, flammable or too strong materials, we are...
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    Great :vrolijk_26:

    Please note that it is not a rule to send only pure materials. If they are too costly, too strong (please don't send any 100% Geosmin! LOL) or flammable or can pose trouble if...
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    Does this agreement work for you though?

    Everyone ok with this?
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    Dear Mumsy, you shouldn't worry so much.

    Here are the rules peeps ;)

    NO ETHANOL
    NO ALCOHOLIC TINCTURES
    NO FLAMMABLE OR OTHERWISE RESTRICTED DUE TO LOW FLASH POINT AROMATICS (yes, this...
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    Next week Monday (September 2nd) I'll edit the final list of participants, including random numbers of their samples and information on pure/diluted materials or notes like materials needs to be...
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    Not necessarily, but you may do that. Chose whatever you have enough stock of and/or like and/or think would be educational. It's up to you, really.
    Are the materials pure or diluted?
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    Do you dilute them, or send them pure?
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    :thumbup::thumbup:

    That is very kind of you, Paul :)
    If I may suggest to add such lovelies as extra's and not as part of the blind sniff? In order to protect the 'blind' aspect...

    That sounds...
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    Great to havd you :) please don't worry, it's about smelling and I'm sure all participants love the sniffing experience and exchange in itself. Do you also have enough solvents? There might be pure...
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    Great thanks :) Do you have enough materials and solvents (ethanol, IPM, DPG)? Can you afford international shipping to probably at least 4 other people?
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    Great! :) Where do you live?
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    Totally agree, Mumsy.

    Let's see if everyone has the right solvents at home. And also my experience with dilution that there is maturation process so that might delay the sniff or influence the...
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    Shout out to:

    Trufflehunter? Australia
    newtothis?

    do you still want to join?
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    I understand, dear, thank you for getting back at me (good tip: I'll add the question in a reply for the others too!)

    Force with the domestic issues and thank you for keeping an eye out for us :)
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    Thank you Adam & BAGreat! :vrolijk_26:

    If we go with 1 group Mumsy's suggestion might work to cut down on shipping expenses:
    designate 1 receiver per country that then distributes the samples...
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    That is very sweet of you :engel017: let's see if it's needed.

    Does anyone have a strong preference for either a small group or a big group? A local or an international one?
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    Lol mumsy :D

    I like your idea, but is it worth the extra trouble for such a small hobby project? And this would only work if there are more participants from the same country. So in this case it...
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    LOL Adam :evil:

    I get you, Paul, but if it doesn't sit well with Mumsy, we need not make anyone feel uncomfortable. (I do the same with small amounts of alcohol and gifting all around the world,...
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    Wow, that would be a treat, handsome ;) But only if you join in with the blind sniffing too :D
    And I'm sure everyone will behave properly :grin:
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    Good points Bob, love the idea of a small vial in a plastic bottle, nifty packaging!

    The point I was trying to make is that a blind sniff should be uniform in order to be kinda objective... If...
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    OMG if handsome Adam is joining the party, this event is sure to prove some brilliant fun :D
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    You're totally right, I'd love to share a sniff with you :D
    Even if it means we'll need to miss on your fab tinctures ;)
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    Re: Ambroxan doesn't smell at all!!!

    Ambroxan from hekserij is fine. I once broke a bottle at 10% in my lab and it was insufferable.
    Forget about it for a while and try again with a fresh nose, like David says.
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    I understand, Mumsy and thank you for all the info.

    So we have 2 options:
    1. you host an UK only sniff
    2. I host an international one that excludes flammable materials or ethanol...
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    There are a few ways to go about this:

    -host different sniffs per region: USA, Europe, international with different materials that are suitable
    -keep the no of participants low, up to 4 (max of...
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    p.s. to Mumsy and anyone involved in the prior perfume sniffs on this forum.

    There are a few, to me, very crucial differences to the prior sniffs, the Untitled series and this idea.

    -no...
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    Great idea! Let's incorporate this.

    But first I'd like to make a list of participants and potential problems

    So far I have:
    Irina, The Netherlands, all solvents fine
    BAGreat, USA, solvents?...
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    Great :) Let's test drive this here. If it's a success we can repeat in other forms depending on the wishes of everyone involved.

    Here is my proposal, please feel free to chime in. I'll add this...
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    Thank you both for your input! :tekst-toppie:

    Yes, we can certainly do this here on BN, with words. This would be option no 1.

    Option no 2 would be: is there anyone interested in making this...
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    A while ago I suggested a blind sniff for DIY perfumers but it got lost in the Hu(r)ddle experiment...

    So asking again: would anyone be interested In exchanging unmarked samples of raw materials...
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    Re: Labeling Against IFRA

    Bill is right.

    However in the US you are (oddly) protected by the FDA, by simply stating on your packaging:
    Warning--The safety of this product has not been determined.
    ...
  39. Re: New Podcast - WondAROMA, an exciting interview with Perfumers driven show format

    Cool! Well done, both of you ;) Will subscribe, smelly news is always fun :D
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    Re: Newbie here, confused about IFRA rules....

    @Imakescents, it's true, there are no easy answers, this is a time-consuming endeavor, see sticky topics on IFRA. Personally I have a database for this, that I partially had to pay for and partially...
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    Re: Newbie here, confused about IFRA rules....

    Hi there :)

    Sorry I'm confused with your OP



    So do you or don't you want to sell your creations (in the future)?

    PK already explained why you shouldn't use FO's. There are exceptions:...
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    Re: Newbie here, confused about IFRA rules....

    Welcome to the board :)

    It is helpful to give you better advice if you fill in which country you live in in your profile? Or do you plan to sell internationally including the EU (for example via a...
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    Re: Developing a formula - any help appreciated

    The harshness can change with time and maybe try a little less myrrh? Like PK says your naturals are probably muddling the waters and with more naturals you need more time for maturation and...
  44. Re: First 25-50 Aroma Chemicals - Newbie Starter Kit

    We've all been there, Enigma ;) I 'know' most long time members here for years and we've all been struggling with purchasing at one time or another cos of personal circumstances, being made redundant...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    That looks brilliant, Mumsy, I hope they'll be appreciated :smiley:
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    Re: Upcoming Podcast called WondAROMA

    Sounds great, keep us posted please :tekst-toppie:
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    You see, the world is small ;)
    Looking forward to your progress!
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    Nizan, do you intend to make a blend or just exploring aromatics that you may associate with dark blue purple? It's nice to read all the suggestions indeed :tekst-toppie:
  49. Thread: EU regs

    by Irina
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    Re: EU regs

    + 1 :thumbsup: wishing you all the luck, it's a tough nut to crack by DIY.
  50. Thread: EU regs

    by Irina
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    Re: EU regs

    Yes, adding to what David says: it is A LOT of work in a very specific field and no expert would give away their hard work for free ;)
  51. Thread: EU regs

    by Irina
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    Re: EU regs

    See siggy for an info thread I did here on BN. See also sticky on IFRA at the top of this forum. And if you need specific answers, I'd be happy to help, cosmetic legislation is my bread & butter ;)
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    Even cooler, Nizan ;) Anyways, yes I like the smell of burnt plastic or burnt hair well burnt anything LOL :vrolijk_1: Ow and Choya Loban too!
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    Cool job, Nizan :thumbsup: Prof Sobel is an awesome pioneer in the field!

    Sorry for being cryptic earlier, I actually mean a couple of natural ingredients like really good frankincense CO2...
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    Nizan, here is your answer ;)



    Lucky you, Paul! In the Netherlands we have to pay for everything. As a private citizen you are not even allowed to a digital copy, just a print (for an extra...
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    Nizan I'll ask and get back to you. As far as closed access publications go, I'm afraid I can't offer them openly & publicly for free... Most university libraries offer access for private citizens...
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    I totally get it, Bill ;) I need to deal with such things on a daily basis. Sometimes it's just not possible to publish every little details, jme as a scientist. That's why the information can always...
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    You're welcome ;)

    I know the author(s) and the scents, I'll ask permission if I may share that with you ;)

    The study is pretty sound statistically & methodologically imho but I may be biased...
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    A recent one that's been in the news
    http://www.medicaldaily.com/smelling-colors-our-brains-associate-odors-color-fruity-smells-are-pink-294002

    Original paper here:

    Cross-Cultural Color-Odor...
  59. Re: Fragrance Oils = synthetics. So why variances in quality???

    What Todd says :thumbup:

    A few additions.

    Fragrance oils are distributed to many different small suppliers. That means that they are exposed to more external potentially damaging factors (like...
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    Re: Question about PA Key Accords

    Indeed. Most perfume schools have such pre-made simple accords to train the nose on how different aromatics interact.

    And like DrSmellThis & Bill remarked, yes, most companies make finished...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    I agree with Thomash, just 1 small addition:


    It depends on how you define the process of smell. If it must involve the nose than indeed the skin doesn't smell. But if you define smell as a...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    Sorry David, but the fact is that this study does focus on a specific olfactory receptor namely OR2AT4, which is present in the nose as well as in skin
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/341152
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    Re: Violet Accord Formula

    Genetically random, you're born with it...
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    Re: Violet Accord Formula

    Anosmia to ionones is a quite common generic predisposition (about 40% of people cannot smell the violets). So definitely worth testing, ProfBats ;)
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Coconut milk, lemongrass, lime, cilantro & green curry.

    But for a wedding you are right on the money with your thoughts on white tropical flowers. I think something like Bronze Goddess could work.
  66. Re: Turning a basic idea into a full fragrance....

    You don't need more flesh, you need more skeleton ;) Synthetic aromatics are great in giving structure and creating space. Or is your goal a 100% natural perfume? With only naturals you'll never be...
  67. Thread: Scales

    by Irina
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    Re: Scales

    LOL I'm nodding here and empathizing cos it's infuriating! I feel so stupid too, every time it happens...
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    Re: Input on making a green floral scent?

    LOL this is exactly my first thought ;)

    And my second: 'damn, boy, that's heavy on the green and light on the floral' ;)
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    Re: Sweet fruity top notes

    Do you happen to have berryflor? In tiny amounts + beta-ionone or isoraldeines and just a very tiny amount of damascones, I personally really like it. With some phenylethyl alcohol, it's can get a...
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    Re: Dried Human Saliva Scent

    You're welcome and good luck on your quest! Please do check back with your progress :)
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    Interesting discussion, guys :thumbsup:

    Just talking from my own experience here, don't underestimate the power of training the nose. Years later means years of a billion new neural connections...
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    Re: Hello from a newbie

    A warm welcome, it's always nice to read someone's progress in the smelly world :)
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    Indeed David, that's what I read too: minuscule particles of activated charcoal. And some other synthetic solvents and polymers.

    Thank you, Pears, I see what you mean.


    And this is exactly...
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    Re: Dried Human Saliva Scent

    Ultrazur is ready available here
    https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-5976-ultrazur-g.aspx
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    You're right, Pears, the adsorption is the adhesion that was mentioned before. In this case it is still a bit of a mystery to me how to achieve that with an inert powder and aromatics that are mostly...
  76. Re: Fragrance oil longevity/strength difficulties

    You're welcome! :) Please do post the results of your experiments ;)
  77. Re: Fragrance oil longevity/strength difficulties

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/261938-A-question-regarding-the-use-of-isopropyl-myristate-in-perfumers-alcohol/

    I see it's no longer complete cos of forum migration problems a few months ago....
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    Re: Dried Human Saliva Scent

    I love such smelly conquests, the title of the thread made me chuckle!

    The only material I associate with saliva is Ultrazur in a very high dilution, trace like 0.00001%.

    Good luck and of you...
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    Thank you David for chiming in :) It's fun to discuss! During my time in the lab, powders were the bane of my existance oh, how much I hated to work with them!
    You have not only the inhalation...
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    Yes, I'm too inclined to believe it's about physical adhesion rather than chemical. As Pears rightly pointed out, talc is inert (meaning the chance that it reacts with other chemicals is slight) so...
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    Interesting, will look into the science behind it. My hands on experience in a lab is that scenting powders is a pain ;) Powders are good at deodorizing, but not so good at capturing the scent, for...
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    Hm, when working in a lab, I learned that talc itself is quite hygroscopic but now I looked it up in the literature and found this:...
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    p.s. I guess you mean 'why'?

    chemical answer:
    http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2566/does-baking-soda-remove-odors
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    I see 1 major problem with all powders: moisture. All the above mentioned are very hygroscopic substances (meaning they attract water from the air). Fresh plants are full of water and most peeps here...
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    Re: Where do I begin?

    Welcome :)

    I would say: make a good pot of tea (or coffee) and start by reading all the stickies. They should cover most of the basics and it's FREE ;)

    Enjoy!
  86. Re: Fragrance oil longevity/strength difficulties

    There are many oily solvents that are not per se vergetable oils from the grocery store, check out the sticky topics. I would say experiment with as many as possible in different dilution %,...
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    Re: Reformulation later?

    Not all FO's are created equal, some are made for use in candles or other non skin applications and for that different regulations apply. Please ask an assesor or expert.

    Cellier's original...
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    Re: Reformulation later?

    You mean like strawberry fragrance oil for example?

    I think you could take that chance if you limit yourself to 'single notes' and not blends with fancy names like 'the enchantress' or something...
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    Re: Reformulation later?

    I might be a minority here but my experience is that using bases is common practice for most well respected perfume companies. The advantage they have is the possibility (read money, materials and...
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    Re: Very simple accords?

    These are not so difficult to sketch, for most berries you can use ionones (the beta smell the most fruity to me but smelling ionones is one of those things that is genetically set so you just need...
  91. Re: Fragrance oil longevity/strength difficulties

    Ok so there are several issues here
    -the carrier oil as base, vegetable oils are not the best solvents of aromatics, meaning they can indeed dull a scent > solution: other solvents
    -essential...
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    Re: Vanilla (aka, help a single dad :)

    I would go with more accessible and cheap options that are mostly vanilla sugar aka vanillin scents. Out of the top of my head Yves Rocher Vanilla bourbon, the Body Shop Vanilla, any of the Demeter...
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    Re: Please help me find my group

    Thank you all for the kind help!

    I'll get copying the above and will wait, just don't know where to check back to see if all the info has been restored because the URLs have also changed.
    ...
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    Please help me find my group

    Apologies for this, as I simply cannot seem to find my way back and there are too many posts and too little time to read it all.

    I'm especially bummed about losing all the work I had put into the...
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    Re: Improved site search - please read

    Thank you, dear. I totally missed that part, I only read a few subfora here...
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    Re: Improved site search - please read

    I must be missing something but to which search engine are you referring?

    This one:
    http://www.basenotes.net/search.php
    ?

    I don't see any improvement there?
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    Re: Handsome, manly bottles?

    This would probably make the best fit:
    http://www.accessoriesforfragrances.com/
  98. Re: NPR Radio Interview now available for listening... - with Paul Kiler, PK Perfumes

    Nice talk, Paul, well done!
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    Re: Raw materials blind sniff?

    Great :) 1 down 2 to go :D
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    Raw materials blind sniff?

    A few mentioned the blind nose training in another thread, so I was thinking, now that the blind sniff of perfumes is no longer an option due to shipping problems: would any DIY and other perfume...
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