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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    That is strange. I was surprised at the price too, because I remember you had posted here before, that it was around $17/gram. Which is a very reasonable retail price.
    So I was shocked by $43/g,...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Yessirree, nothing but! Driven personally all the way from Pahang... and sadly we didn't get to have any.
    Aside from frozen Durian, Durian mochi, Durian icecream etc, I think its been over a year...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    For educational purposes, here are some examples of wood grades that are used for typically producing low grade (which should not cost more than $150/bottle, retail), and for producing high grade...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    I will be the first to admit, I have no clue about the Arab royalty's ranking system, as far as their refined sensibilities are concerned. :)
    All I know is, their collections are quite impressive --...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    You're welcome. But do please consider what Alshareef mentioned, because everything he stated is true. And I had indeed generalized, but only because I believe it was a valid generalization (by...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    @Alshareef,

    Whoops, yes you're correct: that's a sweeping generalization. There are indeed tiny boutiques speckled across the GCC that do have higher grades of agarwood compared to the Big Boys....
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    I just returned from a trip to The Emirates. I made it a point to thoroughly gauge the state of affairs of the oud market there, and its far worse than I had expected. :(

    I know some folks here...
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    Re: Give me a oud without any rose

    Another vote for this one. Yes, there are clear undercurrents of genuine oud in this frag, although the synthetic oud also starts to emerge after about half an hour. But its blended in very well....
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    In my humble opinion, Borneo Adventure will be more enjoyable to most noses. Its a painfully beautiful oil, its a 100% copper extraction after all.
    In general, I focus mainly on maximal...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Ah! Adam's "Borneo Adventure" is up!
    I had the pleasure of smelling it before anyone else, as Adam came over to my place last week. :D

    Bottom line: if you ever wished you had had the...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Welcome @all! If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.
    Since I only sell wood wholesale to large clients (China, Gulf Arab countries, Japan, and Vietnam), I hope my posting about...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    As Faheem said, the grading system is not set in stone and agreed upon across the different oud-producing countries. Wish it was though, it would definitely make things a lot easier! However, many...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Wajazakum, and you're welcome. : )
    I hope I was able to shed some light on what is perhaps the most unknown part of the oud trade. Trust me, if you're ever able to come here, you will learn a lot....
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Chachaji, the answers to the core question you're implying here has already been answered above.

    But why do you say there's no clarity as to what 'actually' goes into the pots? If photos and...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Uh oh, its getting hot in here... :undecided:

    Kyarazen pretty much summed it up: its a matter of opportunity cost, but I would add: only in cases where the oil is distilled from incense-grade...
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    Re: Oud lovers who love sandalwood...

    I have to second MrP's excellent recommendation. Although the top notes are unmistakably New Caledonian, which I personally am not a fan of (along the lines of Amyris and Siam wood), those notes...
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    Re: Oud noob. Need some help

    Do you mean that 'Indonesian oud' may be another term for 'synthetic oud'? Or that most of what comes out of Indonesia and is sold as real oud is actually not?
    Both are, to a large extent, true. ...
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    Re: Oud noob. Need some help

    Excepting of a very few, very small indie outfits, I'm not aware of any commercial, Western fragrances that contain actual oud. The vast majority seem to rely on a small number of 'oud/agar' bases...
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    Re: Is "budget oud" an oxymoron?

    I never noted down the contact details for any cultivated oud suppliers, except for one in Cambodia. The reason being, I've tried several times to gauge (and even trigger) interest in cultivated...
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    Re: Is "budget oud" an oxymoron?

    I cannot emphasize enough, that I was specifically referring to wild oud only. The Dhen Al Oud Moataq is from cultivated Indian trees (and btw it does smell pure to me) (and its still much more than...
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    Re: Is "budget oud" an oxymoron?

    I thought I'd share my thoughts on this topic as well..

    Firstly, my hat off to Ajmal, they are one of the few companies who fully acknowledge it when they mix other substances into their oils,...
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    Re: Recommendation for oud chips

    Hmm, that's strange. Are you sure it was genuine Cambodian? Much wood that isn't Cambodian is sold as 'Cambodian'.
    Cambodian (i.e. Crassna) agarwood is actually the least spicy. Indian and Malaysian...
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    Re: agarwood from the tropics

    @hadji,
    I received a free sample package of wood from Africa some months ago, inquiring if it was agarwood. However, there was no email provided that I could reply to.
    Do you recall sending a...
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    Re: What are you wearing today?

    Today for me: a ton of Malaysian agarwood smoke, Malaysian & Papua oud oils, and finishing touch: Al-Kindi's mukhallat "Refinement".
    there's something about this blend... something soporific,...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    With regard to actual 'literal' contaminants, then no, I haven't observed any differences. It is as you mentioned - the evaporating water is pure distilled H2O and hence there is no difference in...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    Ha! Good one. :P

    Regarding cleaning.. well, it was just the usual thing: no proper regular cleaning, which of course is standard practice. So there was mildewy stuff growing at the bottom of the...
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    Re: Your Favorite Ouds

    Ditto that! Wonderful creation, this Indonesian Oud by Zegna.
    Also.. Ajmal's Mukhallat Oud Maliki as well as Shams are pretty oud-intensive as well (barny type though), I used to enjoy that type in...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    Well, I'm in Vietnam right now, done with all the work I had to do... so I decided to check out Basenotes... to find a subject being discussed here which fascinates me greatly! :)
    I'd like to share...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Woops, @Mark, I think maybe you meant it should be around 13ml in volume (but the same weight as 1 tola of water)?
    I totally agree: micro-drops of oil missed here and there *really* add up when...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    @Igor: believe it or not, every single one of them is Thai! :D
    But they're all Thai Thai, and not 'Cambodian' Thai, i.e. from Crassna trees that were imported from Cambodia.

    Its amazing that you...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Okay, so I got 6 oil samples from FeelOud/Adam. Many of you may already know he moved to Thailand.
    I don't know what he's planning, but it looks like its gonna be something big!

    I think this is...
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    For vendors who send packages to Canada, here's a...

    For vendors who send packages to Canada, here's a useful read:
    http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodnatur/about-apropos/53_recommend_nhp-cps_tc-tm-eng.php
    Back when this article was published, it was...
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    @5MeO: Absolutely. In fact, the whole issue with...

    @5MeO: Absolutely. In fact, the whole issue with oud (as far as USDA is concerned) started with this whole 'therapeutic essential oils' thing, as explicitly explained to me by a USDA person. Once...
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    Yeah, I had a suspicion that was the case. A...

    Yeah, I had a suspicion that was the case. A bunch of vendors in Bukit Bintang know me very well by now. I often swing by the area (its about a 10 minute walk from my home), and many were not happy...
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    Hi guys, Just thought I'd give you all some more...

    Hi guys,
    Just thought I'd give you all some more insight/updates from my end.

    The post by TheWorldInScents pretty much sums it up. There are essentially three U.S. legislative/regulatory bodies,...
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    Feeling Cambodi today... On my way to Cambodia,...

    Feeling Cambodi today...
    On my way to Cambodia, with EO Oud Mostafa #4 on my wrist.
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    No clue.. there are probably a bunch of factors,...

    No clue.. there are probably a bunch of factors, which I simply oblivious to. Not all essential oils are distilled the same way, and sandalwood is certainly one which I have no experience with the...
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    I want to echo what AlShareef said; it is very...

    I want to echo what AlShareef said; it is very very bad. Not just for agarwood (I would in fact say the losses would be in the tens of millions, not just thousands), but moreso for the people there....
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    @Fungus- I talked to the Sri Lankan distiller...

    @Fungus-
    I talked to the Sri Lankan distiller today, and I can confirm what you stated: most distillers do indeed try to expedite the extraction. To get the heavy aromatic compounds, the...
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    @AlShareef: I agree 100%. the crystal concern is...

    @AlShareef: I agree 100%. the crystal concern is very genuine, and something I am very wary of as well. Over time, the lead in the crystal does leach (even defenders of crystal admit to this), so...
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    Ohh, haha no way! I'm by no means a sandalwood...

    Ohh, haha no way! I'm by no means a sandalwood expert, which is why I came here with my bewilderment in the first place. So those shoes are a little too big for me to fill.
    Remember.. a week ago I...
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    Okay, that's true... : P 'on steroids' probably...

    Okay, that's true... : P
    'on steroids' probably sounds not-too-pleasing in the olfactory aesthetics sense. But what I meant was.. basically, its stronger because it seems to has more volatile...
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    Yeah, those old-school crystal bottles can be...

    Yeah, those old-school crystal bottles can be pretty bad for oud oils. Notice I said 'old-school'... pretty much all oud sellers (including the Big Boys like ASAQ, Ajmal etc, as well as online...
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    Thanks for the info you guys! So that totally...

    Thanks for the info you guys!

    So that totally clears it up, because previously I thought there was no way Album grew in Indonesia... and yet what I'm sniffing is like Mysore sandalwood on...
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    You're welcome, Thomas!

    You're welcome, Thomas!
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    @Adam, I'm not sure about the age... I've just...

    @Adam, I'm not sure about the age... I've just seen photos and the wood is pretty dark, usually yellow wood is used but this one was orange-brown.

    By the way, I just came back from Borneo, and my...
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    @littlecrowgirl: What if I was to say... the oil...

    @littlecrowgirl: What if I was to say... the oil isn't not $7/gram.... I wonder if that would break any forum rules. ; )

    @Fungamomongus: could you summarize the main differences you have noticed...
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    Ah cool, thanks for the info @Fungusamongus. ...

    Ah cool, thanks for the info @Fungusamongus.

    @littlecrowgirl,
    I was shocked by the quantity the guy wants me to buy: a whole kilo! So if I do get it, I'd want to share it (read: offload) in...
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    Hey guys, So the test batch of the Sri Lankan...

    Hey guys,

    So the test batch of the Sri Lankan sandalwood oil is ready. The guy's gonna be couriering it to me on Monday, very excited to smell it!

    Quick summary:
    - Santalum album roots...
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    @hoschhti: I would guess one of the following 6...

    @hoschhti: I would guess one of the following 6 possibilities (or a combination of 2-4 of these): overexposure to direct sunlight when drying the wood, very low grade wood, high temp hydro...
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    Also, please look at the two attached photos....

    Also, please look at the two attached photos. Identical apparatus, identical temperature, identical extraction method... one has a bunch of wax and is cloudy even after fully curing, whereas the...
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    @Fung.. that's been my observation as well. BUT...

    @Fung.. that's been my observation as well.
    BUT what's interesting is that the presence of this wax can be a sign of a very low grade oil..... OR a very high grade oil, extracted from actual...
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    Wow, typo of the century, haha! Sorry I meant...

    Wow, typo of the century, haha!
    Sorry I meant richest, not the lightest. I had been talking about the color (green, gold, clear) and therefore accidentally said 'lighter' instead of 'richer' at the...
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    @littlecrowgirl, not sure haha! When I asked him,...

    @littlecrowgirl, not sure haha! When I asked him, his response was 'how many kilo you want buy per month", ha.
    I plan to go back to Sri Lanka real soon. I'll see if I'm able to get the most pristine...
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    So some of you already know I was in Sri Lanka a...

    So some of you already know I was in Sri Lanka a few weeks ago...

    I've been working with a veteran sandalwood wood supplier + distiller from the Sri Lankan sandalwood 'golden age'. The guy made a...
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    It served, and always serves, very well! : )...

    It served, and always serves, very well! : )
    Unfortunately, there's no gooey super king wood left over...
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    Owwwwh.... it turns out I did actually have some...

    Owwwwh.... it turns out I did actually have some more of it, but I wasn't informed. The hunters had arrived in Kuala Lumpur earlier this morning with the wood, but it was scooped up just now by some...
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    @KZ: are you referring to kyara or the gooey...

    @KZ: are you referring to kyara or the gooey Malaysian super king wood?
    If its the latter, the batch I was referring to is already gone (GLTASN of BN managed to get one nugget before a Chinese guy...
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    Thanks for sharing your thoughts, @ListenClosely....

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts, @ListenClosely.

    Incidentally I was talking to a friend in Ireland who is a beekeeper. He mentioned that propolis is composed of tree resins altered using bee...
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    Here's my 2 cents, but please don't quote me as...

    Here's my 2 cents, but please don't quote me as anything more than just someone just sharing his thoughts. I am merely sharing my opinion based on my own experiences.

    I am pretty convinced that...
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    Yes indeed! A customer from Germany was visiting,...

    Yes indeed! A customer from Germany was visiting, and I had promised to share these 2 rare things with him when he visited. : )
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    Yeah, its a very dangerous situation in Sri Lanka...

    Yeah, its a very dangerous situation in Sri Lanka right now. Trading wild agarwood is viewed by the government the same as drug trading in Sri Lanka (i.e. its a very serious crime, with serious...
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    @Thomas, for the appreciation process, what sort...

    @Thomas, for the appreciation process, what sort of room temperature do you recommend?
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    Has anyone tried AgarwoodIndonesia's recent oils?...

    Has anyone tried AgarwoodIndonesia's recent oils? I just saw his new lab setup and its quite impressive. I've spent the past several months flying to different countries in SE Asia and upgrading...
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    Can I cheat and post yesterday's? ;) Sinking...

    Can I cheat and post yesterday's? ;)
    Sinking grade Indian agarwood, Baieido's Ogurayama, and Vietnamese green kyara from Kyoto.
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    I couldn't resist jumping in.... Regarding the...

    I couldn't resist jumping in....

    Regarding the 'barnyard' note-
    In the case of Indian agarwood (Agallocha, and especially Khasiana from West Assam) can acquire a very fecal note. But this is not...
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    Ohh, its all finished now!

    Ohh, its all finished now!
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    Yep, it can be used for any thick oils. Hirta...

    Yep, it can be used for any thick oils. Hirta species oils can get VERRRRRY thick with age - even thicker than thick 'Cambodis'/Thai ouds. The same with some Malaccensis species ouds from Malaysia as...
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    The general rule with any essential oil...

    The general rule with any essential oil (including ouds) is that you want to minimise exposure to heat and light.
    But having said that, oud is a very hardy essential oil. In fact, if you see the way...
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    If I had an agarwood farm, I would employ the...

    If I had an agarwood farm, I would employ the honey technique as well.
    In fact, according to several authorities, honeybee activity is one of the key factors in the formation of kyara in agarwood...
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    Ermenegildo Zegna Indonesian Oud for me today....

    Ermenegildo Zegna Indonesian Oud for me today.
    One of the few western perfumes that has real oud in it. Its very blatant and in an impressive quantity, and although I think I do smell synthetic oud...
  72. Amit / RKSons had a pretty good Mitti attar too....

    Amit / RKSons had a pretty good Mitti attar too. Very nice dry earthy aroma.
    Dunno what the current stock is like (or if they even have any currently), I got the one I sampled like 2 years ago or so.
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    Good to see you back, divinemama!! Just wanted...

    Good to see you back, divinemama!!

    Just wanted to share a lovely resource with everyone. I was gifted this book by the Institute of Agarwood / Imperial Museum of Hong Kong. Lots of valuable...
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    @Star Code: That happens to me occasionally,...

    @Star Code:
    That happens to me occasionally, whenever I smell the same oil too much. A 3-4 week break from that particular oil fixes the problem.
    But it seems from what you said, that you're...
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    @Kyarazen, thanks for the info. @Aubuchon:...

    @Kyarazen, thanks for the info.

    @Aubuchon:
    Wow, I would love to experience that Sonoran Desert blooming aroma!
    Ensar is correct, the distillation can be designed to capture different aspects of...
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    Anyone else find this interesting?...

    Anyone else find this interesting?
    http://www.agarwood.hk/IOA/agarwood.htm

    In the view of current botany, four families of trees are known capable of producing agarwood.

    Thymelaeaceae:...
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    Heading out to Malaysia tomorrow, but one last...

    Heading out to Malaysia tomorrow, but one last post before I go.

    I just received my samples from Phoenicia Perfumes, and I must say I'm impressed! Usually the western perfume houses' take on oud...
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    No problem! Well, if you're just getting one I'd...

    No problem! Well, if you're just getting one I'd recommend Super Thai.
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    Its a very pleasant oud oil, absolutely no off...

    Its a very pleasant oud oil, absolutely no off notes. But I would actually recommend Super Thai for a couple reasons. Firstly, the aroma of the 2 oils is almost identical (Prachinbury Thai oud...
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    Thanks for the info, AgarIndo. After your post I...

    Thanks for the info, AgarIndo. After your post I also Googled it and found the same.
    Its too bad about the oil; so would you say the cultivated oil was not worth it?

    Congratulations on your...
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    @AgarIndo, Isn't Indonesia too southern to have...

    @AgarIndo,
    Isn't Indonesia too southern to have experienced the icy effects of the ice age? I always had the idea that it was the northern hemisphere that was affected (and therefore India,...
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    Any time!

    Any time!
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    Jawed's standard oils are great for what they are...

    Jawed's standard oils are great for what they are i.e. non-incense-grade category. There are also some sources which have been discussed here before, and they are honest sellers - Muhammad Taftazani...
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    Thought I’d share a resource with everyone. ...

    Thought I’d share a resource with everyone.

    There’s a Malaysian guy currently residing in Australia, Jawed Tarin, who I’ve been talking to a lot lately. He sent me some samples of his oils to...
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    Ouuffff... that statue must easily be worth over...

    Ouuffff... that statue must easily be worth over a million dollars!
  86. Thread: Musk Grains

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    Hmmm, the product descriptions, product selection...

    Hmmm, the product descriptions, product selection as well as their address makes me think they're a certain seller that used to be popular on eBay once before they got banned.

    There are plenty of...
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    As for the testosterone thing, can't that be said...

    As for the testosterone thing, can't that be said for any form of heavy smoke inhalation? I think that's one of the things they warn tobacco and pot smokers too. So I would imagine it has to do with...
  88. Very, very different. KF has no ambery notes...

    Very, very different.
    KF has no ambery notes whatsoever. Its an oud-rose-musk combo. The Jawhara, on the other hand, is a classic Indian Amber frag. Very rich, and a bit more spicy than most Indian...
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    @Sparky, nice! Have you found the sweet spot...

    @Sparky, nice!
    Have you found the sweet spot for frankincense and sandalwood (assuming you've tried them on your souped up burner)?
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    @Thomas, You only need the tiniest little...

    @Thomas,

    You only need the tiniest little speck of kyara for chewing. Each of us had something like 1mm x 1mm x 0.5 mm. So pretty tiny!
    Like you, I also find oud oils (I would add: only those...
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    By the way, I had a couple of BNers (Oud

    By the way, I had a couple of BNers (Oud <3'ers to be more specific) over at my place on Sunday. Aside from testing oils and burning woods and kyara, we concluded the get-together by chewing some...
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    Ouuufff... hydro+copper could be amazing. Any...

    Ouuufff... hydro+copper could be amazing. Any idea what country the wood would be from? Hydro+copper would be great for Indian or Sri Lankan wood. For others, I might recommend something different.
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    Thanks for sharing, GLTASN! I think you would...

    Thanks for sharing, GLTASN!
    I think you would like oils from the copper pot better too. But if you do steel just right, they can be pretty amazing too! ; ) In fact 2 of the most well-known and...
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    By the way, for those of you who like spray...

    By the way, for those of you who like spray colognes....

    I was recently at an Al-Haramain in Abu Dhabi, and I noticed they had a spray called "Leather Oud", and an oil version as well.
    The oil...
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    Never heard of this blend, but if there's one...

    Never heard of this blend, but if there's one thing I've noticed with AO and ASAQ, its that their really expensive blends really smell great!

    As for Thaqeel vs Kalakassi, I think in terms of the...
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    Thanks for the info kyarazen. So I guess applying...

    Thanks for the info kyarazen. So I guess applying oud oil to the skin (as perfume) would indirectly be considered medicinal too? : )
    What about fumigation - is that used in CM as well?
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    What I'm curious about it how the oils are used...

    What I'm curious about it how the oils are used in Chinese medicine.
    Kyarazen, are they ingested orally? Or mixed into a balm base for topical application?

    @Fungusamongus: yes, I agree. In fact,...
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    I agree with Igor's impressions. To me, the...

    I agree with Igor's impressions.
    To me, the most salient features are the hot honey and warm balsamic aroma. The overall scent is very reminiscent of Borneo chips ever-so-gently heated, although...
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    Thanks for the photo, @masstika. Yes, that...

    Thanks for the photo, @masstika. Yes, that certainly does not look right! The kind of mulch/debris I was talking about is the tiny little bit created by the insects that trigger the infection, as...
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    @masstika, can you please take a closeup shot of...

    @masstika, can you please take a closeup shot of the dirt?
    Its actually true, in the case of hollow pieces, that you will can sometimes find a mulchy substance inside cavities. If its a lot, it...
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