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    Re: Realistic Neroli oil replacer?

    Sounds roughly like a description of an oil composed more or less of the blend that I mentioned, with the components modified by distillation, and that added to some real neroli.

    Might include...
  2. Re: Need your Opinion- Should I Offer Robertet Naturals for Presale Perfumer Supply House

    The Robertet sample kit sounds like a great idea to me.
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    Re: Realistic Neroli oil replacer?

    I find Petitgrain blended with orange peel oil to resemble Neroli.
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    Re: What does Frankincense smell like?

    Please do let me know the results of your research, I will be most interested to hear of them.

    Alan
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    Re: What does Frankincense smell like?

    Hi James, the HeartNote from WLA really is quite different than the scent of frankincense when burned (or vaporized). A tincture of the Hojary version, or, the Absolute from Liberty, or, the Resinoid...
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    After reading Graphite's description of the scent of Mastic, I went back again to my tincture of same and gave it a more careful examination...on paper this time, as opposed to on the skin as was the...
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    Nicok, is the distilled oil of the resin Mastic similar in odor to that of frankincense EO? I ask as the scent of the resin reminds me of a milder version of the (already mild) scent of the resin of...
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    Reviewing this thread, I realize that I provided information on mastic in every form except for the form that irispallida had inquired about. The EO of mastic (PISTACIA LENTISCUS) can be obtained...
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    Re: Alternative Solvent

    Twas my pleasure SalJarallah. Hopefully others with more experience than myself can provide info on DEP, as well as a more comprehensive answer to your question as it relates to the usage of the...
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    Re: Alternative Solvent

    I have no experience with DEP, but can say with certainty that IPM is thinner (ie. mobile, flowable) than DPG, and would probably be the better of the two to try in an atomizer...again, "to try", as...
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    White Lotus Aromatics offers Mastic absolute "Lentisque", Scents of the Earth offers Mastic Gum Resin in two versions, crushed or as chunks. The fragrance of the absolute is entirely different from...
  12. Thread: Benzoin Siam

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    Re: Benzoin Siam

    Ethanol 95% dissolves LIberty's solid "Benzoin India" (aka. Styrax tonkinensis) just fine...sorry to be redundant here, having mentioned this in an earlier post. As to proportion of quantity of...
  13. Re: Unpleasant lavandin - 'spoilt' EO or trick of the mind?

    Arctander also makes reference to unpleasant notes that are present in various oils after they are first distilled and which disappear after a period of maturation. He even recommends, only for such...
  14. Thread: Benzoin Siam

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    Re: Benzoin Siam

    Just bumping this up for the sake of those who are interested in the topic....I had to edit my original post.
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    Re: Strong Cedarwood Variety

    Have to agree with JE Beasley, the Texas is stronger in comparison to the Virginia (despite the fact that botanically, neither of the two are actually cedars...in perfumery, they are considered as...
  16. Re: Unpleasant lavandin - 'spoilt' EO or trick of the mind?

    No David, I was not suggesting that you said anything about garlic whatsoever...I was referring to the time I inquired about an "odd" note in Lavender EO, and you responded that that the note was...
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    Re: Custom Bottle Manufacturer In US

    Paul, if this is still a consideration at this later date, maybe try contacting Arrowpack, In Carson, CA. regarding the Baralan bottles that they supply. These are made in Italy, and are stock...
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    Not in order of preference:

    1) Sandalwood
    2) Frankincense
    3) Vetiver
    4) Patchouli
    5) Fir Balsam Absolute
    6) Cedarwood
    7) Vanilla
    8) Styrax Resinoid
  19. Re: Unpleasant lavandin - 'spoilt' EO or trick of the mind?

    I have noted an unusual note in most or all versions of Lavender EO (never have sampled Lavandin), which David R. advises to be a top note that is commonly present in Lavender. I could not think of...
  20. Thread: Benzoin Siam

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    Re: Benzoin Siam

    The "Benzoin India" from Liberty is actually Benzoin Siam (but sourced from India, not Siam/Thailand)...:"Benzoin tonkinensis". Entirely solid, but dissolves easily in 95% ethanol.

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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    Hi flagellum. The description for dissolving that Paul provides is precisely accurate (ie. the shaking will save much time). After obtaining my small quantity (ie. one ounce sample, from Vigon), I...
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    flagellum, I have a small amount of what I believe to be the same (or very similar), a solid olibanum resinoid, from Firmenich, reddish-brown in color. It dissolves entirely very easily in an equal...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    Bill, one advantage for dissolving Frank raw resin in Sandalwood. as Luigi_g describes, might be, for example, the benefit provided for those who desire to have a blend of the scents of sandalwood...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    Luigi_g, using Sandalwood as the solvent sounds very logical, practical, and something I need to give a try with sometime soon. Seems like the method you describe would for certain applications take...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    I would think that at the quantities of resin and alcohol that you have used, it is probably safe to assume that all resins have dissolved at this point. There is a consideration of the possibility...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    JEBeasley, I'm not certain on this, and will leave the technical details as to the arithmetic calculations to the individual of whom you had inquired (ie. Chris), but I might suggest that you also...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    Thanks for the clarification Chris...so...I think I meant to say "by a combination steam and water distillation technique.". I think.
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    I do find that the tinctures that I have made from the raw exudate are closer to the original material than any Essential Oil SD (by far), as well as any CO2's that I have so far had acquaintance. I...
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    Paul, your comment does describe the similarities and differences of the two types of extracts very well.
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    Re: When a formulation calls for "resinoid"...

    Could the CO2 extracts of Frankincense be considered to be a version, or variation, of a frankincense resinoid?
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    Re: What smells say "Hawaii" to you?

    Would depend on the aspect of Hawaii to be characterized, ie. flowers/botanicals, or food?, beach/coastal areas or high elevation mountain locations, etc.

    On the floral side of things, I think...
  32. Thread: The diy lab

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    Re: The diy lab

    Aldara, Of course there are a lot of compounds that have the ability to be hazardous to one's health. My comment was simply in regards to the fact that there is no connection between one's subjective...
  33. Thread: The diy lab

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    Re: The diy lab

    Very briefly, you need to check the sticky threads in this forum for information on starting to learn about perfumery...in particular, The Primer on How to Make Perfume. Reading through other threads...
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    Re: Givaudan order

    Hi Christine, I'm honestly not sure if at this particular point in time I do really in fact have a genuine objective need for any of the things that Ventos offers and describes in their website. This...
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    Re: Givaudan order

    Christine, just now looked at this thread and found your comment with your mention that you can order from Ventos for purchase through PSH. Could you please advise as to minimum quantity or cost...
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    Re: German GC page, Is this of any use to us?

    Exceptionally convenient. Congratulations.
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    P.S. to the above...I used an "oil of anise" sold in the spice section at the supermarket, no idea if it is derived from botanical star anise eo (though a picture of such botanical is printed on the...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    I realize that using only naturals is rather far removed from the single AC's used in the cologne, but I did do some reading of various reviews of Old Spice in order to learn as much as possible...
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    Re: German GC page, Is this of any use to us?

    Yea Paul, I sure did misunderstand your comment. But your reply did provide lots of interesting information and will be helpful to me in the practical sense should a good deal of money just fall out...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    Thanks David for the clarification regarding my spelling error, and Paul for your recommendation/reminder to not forget about using the TGSC search/database.

    The topic of Old Spice hits home for...
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    Re: German GC page, Is this of any use to us?

    Well Paul...after searching about for the price on a gc setup, and seeing prices from $2,000 to $17,000+, I guess the question should be, where within this cost range is the location of a unit that...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    I get the impression I need to acquire some maltol sometime just for the sake of knowing what that smells like...I trust someone here (like maybe David) will know right off the identity of the...
  47. Re: Homemade Oil/ Alcohol Perfume Troubleshooting: Carrier oil doesn't bond with alcohol.

    Check the Wine Chateau web site. They offer Everclear, 95%, one liter, with shipping from New Jersey (which costs more than the product), came to $46. I appreciate that there is no denaturant in it....
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    Phthalide is not identical to the denaturant diethyl-phthalide, is it?

    Geez, asking about an AC in this forum has me feeling like the guy who comes in with his first post where he mentions how he...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    This thread reminds me of a recent situation where I wanted to determine the material that produced the right off the bat intense sweetness of Old Spice cologne. I know there is plenty of vanillin or...
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    Re: German GC page, Is this of any use to us?

    Paul, kind of scary to consider what the answer to the following question will be, but out of curiosity, what do those things cost, roughly?
  51. Re: A material/fabric that absorbs aroma and then smells of that aroma (for an hour at least)

    Seems like there might be some possible method that would get you at least partly to your desired goal. Only saying this as I remember buying a used car, at a used car dealer lot, many years ago that...
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    Re: How to make Top note last all day?

    DrSmellThis, you left me kind of hanging there. Could you please expand on how the Linalool subjectively extends the life of citrus? I am also interested in the subject of fixation of citrus, and it...
  53. Re: How do I creater a better projection with natural fragrance?

    For Patchouli, I think you will agree that the 65% Patchoulol version is much cleaner, more accessible to those who find Patchouli too "dirty", strange, etc. PSH now has it, I love the stuff. I've...
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    Re: Plastic like smell

    Styrax of course is well known for its "styrene" odor, which is plastic like...but it seems unlikely that Styrax would be used in all of a full line of fragrance oils...though not impossible.
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    Re: Aroma chemicals quality

    The Sigma-Aldrich site provides much information on the origin of the various versions of their aroma chemicals. The pricing of their products has John Steele, in comparison, appearing to be giving...
  56. Re: Tincturing strength questions. Enlightenment needed please.

    Would this re-uptake by portions of the original material (waxes, resins, etc.) that fall out of solution be the reason for Dave's comment earlier in this thread regarding the need for long periods...
  57. Re: Tincturing strength questions. Enlightenment needed please.

    I understand and appreciate the desire for consistency from one batch to another. The normal variation in raw material from one batch to another though, I believe, will cause the attempt at...
  58. Re: Tincturing strength questions. Enlightenment needed please.

    I could be terribly wrong in this regard, but I get the impression that industry standards, and for that matter, standards of any sort, as they relate to tinctures and such, really only have...
  59. Thread: PSH's Zeppin

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    Re: PSH's Zeppin

    Well, I'll have to admit, I'm thoroughly confused now. What does Jimmy Page have to do with perfumery?
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    Re: Interaction with White Lotus Aromatics

    Glad to hear all is well now. I was also confused to hear of a problem, as it has always been a pleasure to conduct business with Chris and Suzanne.
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    I have looked at the listing for that, as well as the Data sheet for the same (or, promotional material, whatever it is called...has details on how the Ventos product is prepared from the resinoid,...
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    rynegne, would you be able to provide the source of the Olibanum Resinoid raw frankincense? I have hesitated on ordering the resinoid of B.serrata from Nemat only as I suspect (though am not certain)...
  63. Re: Sandalwood essential for beard oil (and other beard oil suggestions)

    I tried signing up for access to full texts at the ResearchGate site in the past, but was refused as they require members to have had articles that have been published (in scientific journals and...
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    Re: Sandalwood Oil

    Doesn't sound like the real thing. The water won't help.
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    Yes, I understood that from your earlier post, I was under the mistaken impression that you were thinking of adding the Eden, with your thinking it to be somehow different than the one you mentioned,...
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    I get the impression with oud/agarwood in general that only a trace amount could be used in a blend without sending things in
    a direction that would be outside the realm of social acceptability in...
  67. Re: Sandalwood essential for beard oil (and other beard oil suggestions)

    Is alpha-ionone and alpha-irone the same thing, with different spellings/names, or different molecules?
  68. Re: About to start my first attempt. Looking for a masculine cardamom-driver scent. Suggestions?

    Your investment in your college degree will more probably provide a better financial pay back in a shorter length of time.
  69. Thread: Clary Sage

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    Re: Clary Sage

    "Fatty" is probably more accurate a term to use to describe that aspect, but in the world of botanicals, "fatty" tends to imply "animal".
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    Thanks SoBearded...sounds like it is something I should have in the "library".
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    P.S. My mention of the Liberty product was in reference to the least expensive of their three Agarwood offerings. I have no experience with either of their two other Agarwood products.
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    Well, while Eden does not refer to their Agarwood as being Bouya, I think that it might actually fall into that category. You might be finding that word as a descriptor of the material in a site that...
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    Eden's Agar SCO2, over time, develops into what I recall the Japanese Aloeswood incenses that I used to burn to smell like. To an extent that it amazes me that such an odor of actual burning incense...
  74. Thread: Clary Sage

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    Re: Clary Sage

    Well, if you already have the absolute of Clary Sage, then I don't believe you will find the animal notes of which I made reference, as I was referring to the fact (I thought it to be one) that the...
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    The Benzoin did work out fine, and does increase longevity of the two fragrances I did tests on. I'll still give the Myrrh and Opoponax a try though for the sake of comparison and education.

    And...
  76. Re: Sandalwood essential for beard oil

    Nizan, I have a fairly decent selection of naturals along the lines of the things that I personally prefer, and as well, find easier to use to produce the sort of things I like, yet, I have never...
  77. Re: Sandalwood essential for beard oil

    DrSmellThis, as far as the ionones go, I only have experience with the irones of Orris...don't even know if that is technically an "ionone", but as you mention the latter, could you please describe...
  78. Thread: Clary Sage

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    Re: Clary Sage

    ProfessorBats, try the absolute of Clary and I think you will in fact find it to have the animal type of notes that are buried rather deep down in the EO.
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    Re: Vegan conundrum....

    Without getting into the "cruelty" side of the discussion, I just want to mention that I find it interesting that some people think it utterly odd of me to decline the eating of the flesh of the...
  80. Re: About to start my first attempt. Looking for a masculine cardamom-driver scent. Suggestions?

    Amazed you could put that together Paul, considering all the requirements placed in the inquiry. So I'll add one question. Is the Cardamom
    extract you provide the link to very different from the EO,...
  81. Re: GC tests and the oxidation and polymerization products of fatty aldehydes

    I have been reading the Arctander book and find mention now and then of reactions with fatty constituents, such as myrcene, myrcenol and related compounds (hoping I spelled them correctly, or close),...
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    Thanks much DrSmellThis for the tip. Much appreciated. I'll give the Benzoin a go first, and then try the alternatives you mention if I find the Benzoin to change things too much.
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    Unless things take a turn for the worse with maturation, I think I am actually pleased, for a pleasant change of pace, with the outcome of my current formulation. I think I took care of the "dirty"...
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    Funny that you mention your current beneficial use of Himalayan Cedarwood in a blend. Only because yesterday I conducted a second test of a blend I am working on (forest type of thing), and first...
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    Maybe Choya Loban, the destructive distillation of Indian Frankincense (B. serrata) using Himalayan Cedarwood as a base.

    http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/product/choya-loban
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    Re: Olibanum Resinoid

    Scents of the Earth carries a nice line of products, but as far as Frankincense/Olibanum goes, to the best of my knowledge, they do not carry the resinoid...they do offer the raw botanical resins...
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    Re: Ambrette seed products, price variation

    James, I have found the people at WLA to be nothing other than a total pleasure to work with. Chris always gets back to me immediately, if not sooner, with answers to any questions that I have about...
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    Re: Ambrette seed oil supplier

    The SCO2 of Ambrette seed is much different than the EO, which shouldn't be a surprise, considering that the SCO2 process will have the extract include all sorts of botanical components that the...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    A very nice presentation your photos show. I trust that the bride and groom will much appreciate all of your efforts.
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    Re: Taking the plunge for a White Lotus order?

    David and Deadidol are both right on about the need for consistency for large volume production, and that neither WLA or Eden would be the vendors to depend on for such a business. In the terms and...
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    Re: Practice Briefs

    While I don't work in this manner at all anymore, I for a period in the distant past used a method that was sort of, kind of, a mix of the two themes presented by Bill and David, though my method at...
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    Re: Taking the plunge for a White Lotus order?

    Bill covers the marketing side very well. Nothing for me to add there.

    I did forget to mention though Cheechi that you can find that the such and such (ie. absolute, or SCO2, or whatever) sold by...
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    Re: Taking the plunge for a White Lotus order?

    Dave, I think you are thinking in terms of the larger businesses, as deadidol suggests. They are really the only ones who give away free samples, and then of course, only to businesses (or...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Nizan, I believe that Mumsy is referring to the leaves of the Pandanus plant (I hope she will correct me if I am mistaken)...the reference that you read about alcohol extraction, I assume, was...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Having no personal experience with Amyris, can you describe the benefit of using that over Sandalwood for the woody aspect (aside from cost consideration)? Also, what form, variety, etc. of...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Mumsy, is it the massoia oil that is providing the wood note, or do you have other ingredients that are as well adding to the wood aspect? (I'm going under the assumption that the Galbanum and Nutmeg...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Thanks Mumsy...I suppose it wasn't all as "self evident" to me as I originally thought it would be. I much appreciate your taking the time to explain all the details as you have to an extraction...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Thanks Mumsy, I will be giving it a try. You mention having tinctured it for eight days prior to initial separation (though would have let that process go longer if you were not working within a...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Mumsy, please pardon me if you have already covered this detail elsewhere in this thread, but can you provide for me the ratio of Coconut Oil to Alcohol that you used? Also, any special...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Well Paul, now I feel a bit silly, as, since writing the above, I pulled out the bottle of Frankincense tincture, which since having been filtered, (about a couple of weeks or so now), has been left...
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