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    Re: Thick Jammy Rose - Advice

    Oh, sorry I didn't see that you could do that with firascone, will have to try!
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    Re: Thick Jammy Rose - Advice

    Here is one link to a rose accord on the board: http://www.basenotes.net/threads/420865-Taif-rose-accord
    There are suppliers that have rose accords made with damascone in it or you can get...
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    Re: Formula for Criticism

    I see it now... plus I was thinking of peach aldehyde which did not help.
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    Re: Overdose of BHT

    It's not like that on some things though, right? Like Lyral for instance, people keep using it because it is a favorite and the reason for ban was not important in their view. If the reason is...
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    Re: Overdose of BHT

    I know, so sad to lose things... except you were just going to wear it any way that would only be losing it in a different way. It's like a gain, something you are only allowed to smell but not wear....
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    Re: Overdose of BHT

    Oh, I found out the interesting thing about Lychee is you can use the skins like BHT in canning, preserving meat, but most interesting as possible surface bactericide in the garden.
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    Re: Overdose of BHT

    Well, it's never lost. Just mix half again, then then add 1/8 to 1/4 of your first bottle with the bht, then put that on the shelf till next time. No hurry since it will never go bad :laugh:
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    Re: Overdose of BHT

    Can you just double up your formula or is it too much material? Wondering what your intended percent was.
    Also came across something about it in lychee will try to find percentage. o interesting...
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    Re: Formula for Criticism

    Did you build with a purpose in mind for everything? I am looking at ald c-12 , diluted, and wondering is it a helper for the strawberry or rhubarb.
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    Re: Overdose of BHT

    Maybe look back at where you got the BHT and what it was for, it goes in flavor but not fragrance.
    Yikes - so scary to read things we are regulrly eating but are not safe on skin, makes you wonder...
  11. Re: Prunol base - Any info on the ingredients?

    I was just looking up the denaturants in an ethyl alcohol I purchased at walgreens. The MIBK is in there if you want to try out for your Prunol, but I think if it was used, it was not for odor. There...
  12. Re: the 'vapor-dry-crystallize' method - and why it can never work

    Sorry Alysoun, I guess putting that in quotes was confusing... this method I made up, and am trying to follow a pattern with it but not even sure a person could follow this or even if it would be...
  13. the 'vapor-dry-crystallize' method - and why it can never work

    I got it in my head that I should pay attention when building all accords to 'vapor-dry-crystallize' ratios - like you can only have so many ingredients that should turn to crystal, so much percent...
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    Re: Why is oil not used for enfleurage?

    So what does the lard smell like now, have you used some?
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    Re: Online Course by Melanie Jane

    well, you have no idea if this person or the hundreds of others generating a website are even REAL. I'd spend the $199 on some chemicals and read this board.
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    Re: Why is oil not used for enfleurage?

    Because you don't want anything 'stuck ' to the flowers you are removing.
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    Re: Why is oil not used for enfleurage?

    Purplecraze - This above is the most important, it's like doing a 'submersion' every hour for 24 hours, except you only stand there once. That's why it really works out to less trouble than...
  18. Re: Creating a leather fragrance to use on...leather

    LOL Yes Aberdeen- I was wondering if I have smelled leaher at all in the last few years. If it's not reminiscent of cleaning leather with saddle soap than maybe not...
  19. Thread: Ambroxan %

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    Re: Ambroxan %

    Thanks for attempting to clarify that, but I noticed that dilution is not always by mass percent when SHOPPING for ambroxan.
    So I thought that was important enough to bring up, albeit by one that...
  20. Thread: Ambroxan %

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    Re: Ambroxan %

    Well is it a mass / volume ratio then?
  21. Thread: Ambroxan %

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    Re: Ambroxan %

    10% ambroxan in dpg is a commonly sold.
    How do the suppliers dilute - by weight, by volume..
    If you purchase a dilution, and it is purchased in mL, can you assume the dilution is by volume?
    How...
  22. Re: Musk/Amber diffusive-ness suggestion Please.

    I don't think you can get the smell of skin without fatty acids. You are in the right direction with the lauric acid, but really need the acids like in the narcotic flower group although I don't know...
  23. Re: HELP Using Fragrance Oils For Making Perfume Oils :)

    I think also it depends on how you approach most other things I life. If you have other interests in the past at what speed did you accumulate knowledge and hands-on experience, at what ratio between...
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    Re: Using up mediocre formulas

    Just don't put a perfume that has phenylacetylaldehyde in bubble bath... omg it gets stronger and won't come off.
  25. Re: Raspberry base 3226 circa 1940 clarification

    what are you using for rose... accord or single chemical?
  26. Re: Raspberry base 3226 circa 1940 clarification

    Sounds nice with rose and amber, Bebenez. ...which Ionone would be likely?
  27. Re: Newbie Question - Combining oils with different %

    In your example, because your vanilla will never be more than 1%, that puts your labdanum total less than 0.5% and oakmoss at .01% by volume, right?
  28. Re: HELP Using Fragrance Oils For Making Perfume Oils :)

    Hi Anura -
    Fragrance oils are just fine for using alone or combining with essential oils and can make beautiful perfumes. You are right, there is not much help for blending if you want to make them...
  29. Re: Plum accord and DMBCB - butyric acid question

    Yes I know your plum accord is coming, I am actually making a 'stand-in' for now with apricot and a couple other things , want to see how it goes in the whole perfume and if I need anything else. ...
  30. Re: Plum accord and DMBCB - butyric acid question

    Okay now that makes sense I see it is a food ingredient too and this probably means diminish in milk items then, and not related to essential oils.
  31. Re: Plum accord and DMBCB - butyric acid question

    I think I need to just avoid EO's. It is not likely there are essential oils in Robertet's accords, right?
  32. Plum accord and DMBCB - butyric acid question

    Trying to make a plum base and have ingredient that says this on TGSC:
    ."...Needless to add, that the smallest traces of free Butyric acid are quite detrimental to this odor picture"

    1. Is there...
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    Re: Change in Schiff base mixture

    Maybe instead of root beer your choice of cola ....
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    Re: Change in Schiff base mixture

    Oh really that is interesting... maybe the entire thing they are smelling is your accord then this other molecule you speak of., and possibly some of what is in the leather fragrance.
    The first...
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    Change in Schiff base mixture

    My son visited and mentioned that his perfume 'turned'. I said "Awww, I'm sorry we will just make a new one." To which he replied "No, it didn't turn bad... it just tuned into something ELSE. There...
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    Re: fixing coffee bean

    Jennifer - I was waiting for some P.A.coffee flavors to come before replying again here. I was going to say that I read somewhere that Tonka is a fixative possibly extender for naturals, as are some...
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    Re: Balsamic sawdust power accord

    oops double post
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    Re: Balsamic sawdust power accord

    Wow, did this ever evolve into different materials... I took out Bacdanol because of reading it was masculine, lol.
    I ended up buying only Timbersilk chemical off this list. Was disappointed it...
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    Re: fixing coffee bean

    Beautiful accord Jennifer -
    Can you go with a premade fixative, or you are trying to stick with the naturals?
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    Re: Top note help for Jasmin green apple

    Well how far in, to the top... like past the 30 minute mark? I think sometimes the best fix for green harsh is warm balance. I am surprise you don't already have that going on with the benzoin. Maybe...
  41. Re: Just posted a new formula, tropical driftwood on the beach

    I like the sound of that Blackwood mixture, and how you combined it with florals and tropical to make it a unisex fragrance.
  42. Thread: Paul Kiler!

    by Thea in Fl
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    Re: Paul Kiler!

    This is so wonderful to hear. Was he on the forum giving advice while in Europe... seems like I saw a post just the night before this event would be.?
    Super review Diddy... thanks for sharing that. ...
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    Re: How do you tincture body odors?

    Muskroot, do you detect a cashew note in yours?
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    Re: How do you tincture body odors?

    It gets more of a cashew note with age
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    Re: How do you tincture body odors?

    Bwaaaaah, Alysoun, thanks for the laughs :smiley:
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    Re: How do you tincture body odors?

    I am not familiar with alchemy - what happens after you make the perfume part... you then combine with metals or...?
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    Re: How do you tincture body odors?

    Why why whyyyy do people want to smell like they already had sex.... I get wanting to smell pre-sex if pheromones is ever proven, but no one wants you if you smell like you already had sex, ...
  48. Re: Looking for known accord suggestions from my list of materials (Newbie)

    Okay here's one of the best materials threads for now. http://www.basenotes.net/threads/394657-Your-top-10-perfumery-raw-materials?highlight=favorite
    also the top 100 was nicely divided into batches...
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    Re: Manufacture of Concretes/Absolutes

    Pears, this answered two nagging questions - are some materials chopped before extraction, and something about enfleurage I couldn't find anywhere else - thanks!
  50. Re: Looking for known accord suggestions from my list of materials (Newbie)

    You can make sex with those materials if you can just get the breath smell right, and a little cocoa on drydown :wink:.

    Really though this is a great materials list , it looks like you put some...
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    Re: Balsamic sawdust power accord

    Never mind I see just different makers.
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    Re: Balsamic sawdust power accord

    Thanks Graham - I see Creating Prefume has both Norlimbanol and Timberol, different prices but same chemical name... any ideas?
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    Re: Balsamic sawdust power accord

    Ooooh... that says cinnamony and vanilla in some descriptions, sounds nice... Thanks.
    I really don't want sawdust, just want to explore the woods for a while and think I like the balsams, but not...
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    Re: Guava accord?

    You could mix premade mango base with Paradisamide
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    Balsamic sawdust power accord

    This is probably a recipe for disaster but going to mix the following which I have not even ordered yet so I am open to other suggestions.
    Making a wood accord, want it to be very balsamic, but...
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    Re: Manufacture of Concretes/Absolutes

    I wonder about benzyl benzoate. It's a relatively cheap solvent, and you wouldn't have to evaporate out much since quite a large amount can be left in there. It might work if you like balsamic smell...
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    Re: Manufacture of Concretes/Absolutes

    Thank Pears. I guess this P.E.O.R.C. is not something we can access, doesn't look like we have similar in states.
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    Re: Delta Octalactone vs Bicyclononalactone

    Hi Spring - just wondering how this accord turned out
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    Re: Agrumen Aldehyde replacement

    https://www.creatingperfume.com/agrumen_aldehyde_light.aspx
  60. Re: Development Hell - Fragrance not turning out the way you want it

    Some of us enjoy development hell EVERY time.
    The 'stuck' part you do need to control. Have a funeral for it. Mix it with 50% cedarwood or something and put it in a cleaning fluid, bubble bath,...
  61. Re: Natural Isolates Apricot, apple, pear, etc

    Oh yeah I got so mad when I smelled the root beer! The money I wasted on craap! What just HAPPENED? Why is this my only good chemical? I went through days of that and it took RSG agreeing to make me...
  62. Re: Natural Isolates Apricot, apple, pear, etc

    I was after plum materials, cannot find over half, and then looked for plum or apricot extract... was willing to go with food extract. So I find on etsy, aftelier, and white lotus they are selling...
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    Re: Manufacture of Concretes/Absolutes

    Hi I see you started out your email with suggesting Hexane - does that mean you do find it superior to other solvents? Just wondering if it is about initial cost, ability to recycle, yield of...
  64. Re: Natural Isolates Apricot, apple, pear, etc

    Never mind - I see on P.A. they have some made by Robertet. The other sites were giving this weird description that it is a proprietary blend of isolates by distillers in france and it made me worry,...
  65. Natural Isolates Apricot, apple, pear, etc

    I keep seeing these at aroma chemical suppliers but it looks like food flavoring... they are suspiciously the same as what the wine flavor houses sell. Are these new aroma extracts or not?
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    Re: The more things I smell....

    I always worry about this, that I will become comfortable with something I initially disliked and then use too much. I think just because I like it better doesn't make it better, so I keep my first...
  67. Re: Is it uncommon to try a sandalwood accord from cedarwood and milky materials?

    I get it, thanks I needed that. (Yet that last one was more of an open ended question)
  68. Is it uncommon to try a sandalwood accord from cedarwood and milky materials?

    Or is it just better to go with sandalwood materials?
    If you use sandalwood materials do you use milk accord too?
    Wood chemicals that love cocoa aldehyde?
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    Re: Recreating Dior Eau Savauge...

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/459540-Recreating-Dior-Eau-Savauge-any-starting-ideas-(Or-Bleu-de-Chanel)
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    Re: Delta Octalactone vs Bicyclononalactone

    That accord you posted looks nice without either. I have gamma octalactone and bicyclononalactone and if I had to I would put the gamma octalactone instead, but do you have alc c8 or maybe ethyl...
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    Re: I've made a meme about perfumery

    Oooooh, sorry. Now I see it.
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    Re: I've made a meme about perfumery

    No I take it as antiperfume meme. Yet almost a good one. Add some deforestation and beached whales it might be a go.
  73. Re: Is there really no such thing as "fixative"?

    Encapsulation will be the next way to go... think sufactants not fixatives.
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    Re: I've made a meme about perfumery

    I don't get it...the last photo means what?
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    Re: Rose Accord attempt

    It really sounds awesome. I think I'm in for 1/3 if you get a third person. I can go half if you don't get at third in a couple of weeks if you are willing to wait, I don't need that much but one of...
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    Re: Rose Accord attempt

    Stupid question time... can you not simply add linalool to cheaper brand, or it has to be sucked from the earth to be valid?
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    Re: Rose Accord attempt

    Disgusting is an odd choice of word I guess I didn't want to say it... but it smells lovely floral, but 'threatening', like I have to be on high alert.
    I like these new chems I haven't seen these,...
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    Re: Rose Accord attempt

    That sent me on a wild search, looking for the soil type near Barreme. Most I could find was something about the many ammonites found there so I was thinking extra limestone for fossils and probably...
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    Re: Rose Accord attempt

    Good to know, and 'sigh' ... okay. Except the Barreme that looks like a long term goal.
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    Re: Rose Accord attempt

    good idea I will check this out!
  81. Re: Does dilution affect overall composition?

    Definitely try the water if you are lucky enough to have cloying scent at 5% dilution... at what percent water is it considered more of a bath spray? Do you add emulsifier if you use oils?
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    Re: Rose Accord attempt

    Aberdeen - I can't see the formula but what chemical(s) do you think are responsible for plum note later - I am really wanting to try a gourmand next.
    That is awesome you got the rose part to go on...
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    Re: Rose Accord attempt

    Thanks RSG. Yes, definitely peomosa and doremox on the list for accord, along with phenoxonal but I am purposely avoiding until I get this first part likeable.
    So, blood orange is orange plus...
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    Re: Rose Accord attempt

    Thank you Milhaus, truthfully it is cleaner before the addition of any replacements. I think a long time ago Birdie told me to start with just geranium and (citronellol?) but somewhere in all the...
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    Rose Accord attempt

    I finally finished a useable rose accord from a pretty neat study that had given the components and their relative strength percentage as they contributed to the aroma.
    I will find the source for it...
  86. Re: Does dilution affect overall composition?

    I think it is not an across the board thing, that much more dilution you might notice a change . In my limited experience it seems like some materials stand up to alcohol, some do not, they almost...
  87. Re: A question regarding the use of isopropyl myristate in perfumers alcohol

    Something is really wrong somewhere, for this to keep happening with the 'organic' heater fluid to people who have spent good money on oils. Propane and kerosene are organic too, right? Why do people...
  88. Re: EO Perfume blends - Fougere, Chypre, & Cologne

    Nico, this almost sounds like ranting from you considering what actually went on... Wasn't it just last week that Paul tried to help you out by saying take the lavender out of the alcohol sooner so...
  89. Re: How much essential oil can this cellulose paper take before losing scent?

    Yeah, just get that hanging diffuser bottle with the wood top I think it diffuses through the wood or something.
    (Or does triple L final note last that long already :)

    diffuser -...
  90. Re: How much essential oil can this cellulose paper take before losing scent?

    Don't make it last a week. If there is a little vial of oil you are selling with it that means it will last a year. You need them back to buy more oil to stay in business, 3 days tops.
  91. Re: Can't tell difference between two unlike chemicals - argh!

    Wow, 0.25 will be less than the benzaldehyde, which I would like to bump up since I can't smell it.
    Getting ready to buy amber extreme and cashmeran, do you think either of these can go with the...
  92. Re: Can't tell difference between two unlike chemicals - argh!

    Okay, it is the ambrettolide then, thank you both. Admittedly, it was at 5%, so probably not a good idea with weak materials like the tinctures in there. It smelled so good like that (at first).
    ...
  93. Can't tell difference between two unlike chemicals - argh!

    Should I be able to tell the difference between too much benzaldehyde and ambrettolide in a mixture? I had an herbal hay-like mix that I was happy with the smell of, but it had no diffusion or...
  94. Re: In need of help, regarding preparing a tincture with flowers.

    That is going to be such a nice project - I think at easter time they have those for sale, right?
  95. Re: In need of help, regarding preparing a tincture with flowers.

    Last night I made a long response here but it was so generalized I plopped it in another thread for general use.
    Regarding picking tuberose early it is probably to maximize bloom time. So many...
  96. Re: In need of help, regarding preparing a tincture with flowers.

    I heard here a couple of times that using Jojoba is not recommended because if you decide to mix an alcohol perfume later it does not like to dissolve. But if you like to use that oil daily and want...
  97. Enfleurage and other extraction - please share your methods floral and other

    Personally I would make the case for enfleurage here - try to remember that a picked rose continues to bloom over the next few days. Putting it in strong alcohol will only ensure that it stops...
  98. Re: what makes White flowers White flowers?

    I wonder if ylang and jasmine in citrus Floral category... even though it seems same is used in some muguets.
    Those' daisy' perfumes have the white scent down, seems like there is not a considerable...
  99. Re: In need of help, regarding preparing a tincture with flowers.

    Hi, you don't mention the type of flowers but have you looked into engfleurage, pressing into lard on easy to scrape surface (glass, plastic cutting boards, etc)?
    Secondly, try some flowers in oils...
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    Re: My Lavender Tincture Died

    Awww, Nicotiro ... bummer! Well look at it this way- you only lost 10 grams of tea. Some flowers do seem to get 'burnt' in alcohol, maybe try a small bit in oil with every new material.
    So you...
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