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    Re: Best way to clean your supplies?

    Doesn't this have to be done VERY slowly? I seem to remember reactions of acids & bases releasing a lot of heat. What are the warnings & precautions necessary to avoid qualifying for a Darwin Award?
  2. Thread: Organ

    by ECaruthers
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    Re: Organ

    No organ ever seems big enough, as the 'working' photo shows. How do you reorganize? Is there an expansion method?
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    Re: What does sex smell like?

    I see the advantages of a great title!

    When I started this thread I thought that four Demeter fragrances (Sex on the Beach, Sex on the Beach South Beach, Redhead in Bed and Between the Sheets)...
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    Re: Classic Fougere Proportions?

    Thanks, Gido. His ingredients are again different from other lists I've seen. He adds Bergamot to the Lavender in the top note, a Geranium heart note, and vetiver instead of patchouli in the base. ...
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    Re: Classic Fougere Proportions?

    Alas, I found no fougere formulas at The Perfumer's Apprentice.

    The White Lotus formula may be very good but I'd prefer one that uses Coumarin instead of Hay Absolute, since I've read that...
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    Classic Fougere Proportions?

    I've been surprised at not finding a recipe or formula for a classic fougere. The basic ingredients are listed many places, usually something like, "Fougere is a type of perfume that has lavender,...
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    Re: Perfumers alcohol in the UK?

    You can also ask for Polish Rectified Spirits at a liquor store. I just bought a one liter bottle for 20 US$ so 8 GBP seems reasonable.

    In the US, laws vary from state to state. The 96% stuff...
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    Re: Looking for perfumery filters

    I have not tried cutting up a home heater filter but it seems reasonable. They're labelled by the size particles they will remove and you get multiple layers, each multiple square feet, for a few...
  9. Re: Following Raw Materials to Final Product

    If you can't follow the trail yourself, you can follow it vicariously. Celia Lyttelton picked the ingredients for a bespoke perfume in London, then went around the world to see where the components...
  10. Re: I need some help and a good nose

    Hi, Sean,

    First, my sincere sympathy in the loss of your friend. Too many have suffered such losses.

    Second, if your friend was as dedicated as you say, he probably kept notes, maybe even a...
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    Re: Man up my Frag tips?

    I'd vote for lavender or frankincense top notes, some leather, and a sandalwood base note. Maybe some rum? I remember a sales associate telling me that men's colognes used to all be tobacco +...
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    Re: Woody base recipes

    Hi,

    I don't have most of the chemicals you'rre using. The ones I do have don't individualy smell like mold or gasoline. So I suggest that you smell as you go. E.g., start with your sandalwood...
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    Re: Perfume - how to improve longevity?

    You can also slow evaporation by using an unscented oil as a carrier instead of alcohol. But however you slow evaporation, the initial smell will be weaker. To compensate for that, you need higher...
  14. Re: using the right solvent in the right material

    OK, let me try these two questions.

    Polar molecules have parts with a small positive charge and other parts with a small negative charge. The most common polar molecule is water, H-O-H. The...
  15. Re: au bain marie heating, max. alcohol temperature

    Let me repeat merry.waters caution against heating in a closed container. Wikipedia has a graph of ethyl alcohol's vapor pressure vs. temperature. Between 50 C and 100 C the pressure goes up about...
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    Re: a good scale - 0.01 or 0.001g?

    You have to upload your photo to a web site like Photobucket, then past in the link into your post.
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    Re: Perfumers apprentice accords

    You might try asking a few other people about your musk dilutions. I haven't worked with them but I've read that many people have trouble smelling them. Maybe others will find them stronger than...
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    Re: a good scale - 0.01 or 0.001g?

    Look on eBay for digital scales and balances. You can measure to less than 0.001 gram but it's really hard to control your additions that finely. Figure a rough rule of 1 gram for 1 ml, so you'd...
  19. Re: using the right solvent in the right material

    There's related discussion in the "Why an absolute?" thread.

    We still lack a table or list of common aromachemicals and the solvents that work best for them. Extraction from real plant material...
  20. Re: Is there a technical set of measures for the duration of particular aromachemicals?

    If a student wants clear data (as easy to analyze as possible), then it's a good idea to use pure materials. A chemistry department should have lots.

    You could start by looking at ethanol (the...
  21. Re: Is there a technical set of measures for the duration of particular aromachemicals?

    Stroll,
    Just to elaborate a little on David's answer, the higher the vapor pressure, the more of the material is in the atmosphere above a saucer of the liquid. So, the higher the vapor pressure...
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    Re: Why an Absolute?

    I like geko's answer. Repeatability is certainly part of the reason for professionals. If you start with different concentrations at different times, then you have to use your nose to 'calibrate'...
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    Why an Absolute?

    There's a really interesting thread on how to make a vanilla absolute. Rather than take that off on a tangent, I'll ask here, why would you want an absolute instead of a fairly concentreated...
  24. Stephen Colbert introduces inEscapables to one-up Febreze NoticeAbles

    If you missed it, here's the video
    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/380313/april-04-2011/the-word---that-new-smell-smell
    and he provides enough smelly neologisms to spice up...
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    Re: The Economist: Making sense of scents

    Read the full journal article here.
  26. Re: Fragrance Research - What do you want most?

    Several times now I've spent $20 for a pack of 6-8 samples from a niche perfumer. It was money well spent. Kitty & I found what we liked and what we didn't. And comparing/contrasting within a set...
  27. Re: Fragrance Research - What do you want most?

    I agree and would add that lots of other flowers could provide inspiration. I have a mum with a great floral-herbal smell. The flowers of irises smell great and are very different from the...
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    Re: fragrances and health

    1) Thanks to gandhajala & Dr_Rudi for the links to relevant papers. I may not draw the same conclusions as the papers' authors but more information is better than less.

    2) I remember reading...
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    Re: Sacriligeous

    I've had good results putting a little cologne on an ordinary cotton pocket handkerchief & carrying it in my shirt pocket. If I go into a crowded room or a flower show, I just move the handkerchief...
  30. Re: Can someone here please explain the economics of perfumery?

    Great point about the sample packs. I've also gotten packs from Neil Morris, Andy Tauer, Ineke and Czech & Speake. On average I like about one out of every group really well.

    But I also like 100...
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    Re: Making essential oils yourself

    The simplest thing is to just extract with alcohol. Put your rose petals or whatever in a zip top plastic bag. Add enough Everclear or high alcohol unscented vodka to get them all thoroughly wet. ...
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    Re: Last question about dilution....

    Also, I find that 30-60 ml is a convenient quantity to deal with. Smaller lots require measuring out fiddly-small quantities of some component. Larger quantities tend to be wasteful. Making up...
  33. Re: Can someone here please explain the economics of perfumery?

    I think there are two reasons for the 50, 75 and 100 ml bottles. First, most people buying perfumes & colognes want something to wear somewhere between once a week and twice a day. (We aren't...
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    Re: Luca Turin Fragrance Testing - True?

    There are two main differences between fragrance on skin and fragrance on paper.
    1. Fragrance evaporates more slowly from paper. The paper is cooler than body temperature. I find it easier to...
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    Re: Are you allowed to sell home made perfumes?

    "anyone can make and sell [anything] as long as they conform to the legislation," is probably about right in most countries. But "the legislation," is going to include sales taxes in some countries,...
  36. Re: Bumbling Cops Steal $1,000,000.00 Worth Of Perfume

    See the discussion on Avery Gilbert's blog, epecially the way the estimated value went from $50,000 to $1,000,000.
  37. Re: How do people successfully dissolve essential oils in carrier oils to make perfume?

    I also once tried adding vanilla extract to an oil. I thought it would be conveninet because real vanilla EO is expensive and there are other flavored extracts that would be fun. I'm embarased to...
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    Re: Anyone interested in taking over my aromachemicals?

    Yes, I would be interested. I have some, but my collecting has been haphazard.

    Thanks, Irina.
  39. Re: A beginners question about oils, dilution and bases

    mumsy, I also use dilutions in oil to learn what different notes smell like. I need the extra time that the slower evaporation provides. My estimate is that a 10% dilution in oil will initially...
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    Re: Aromatherapy - what have you tried?

    I've tried lavender a couple of ways and it just evaporates too fast to use at bedtime. That is, a fragrance I spray is gone well before I fall asleep and I don't want to leave a candle burning when...
  41. Re: A beginners question about oils, dilution and bases

    First, you are technically making 1/11 dilutions (30 drops of EO in 330 drops to solution). For 10%, add only 270 drops of coconut oil, so you have 30 drops of EO in 300 drops of solution. But I...
  42. Re: How do people successfully dissolve essential oils in carrier oils to make perfume?

    In my experience most EOs disolve in most oils. If an EO doesn't like oil, it's probably more like an oil or alcohol than an oil. The problem of mixing alcohol and oil is very much the same as...
  43. Re: The end of perfumery: root-beer-scented roses

    Ah, but a chocolate-rose or a leather-rose 'fume might be just the trick the industry needs to get men wearing flowers.
    ... Actually, I have leather & rose accords in my lab.
    ... More later.
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    Re: Aromatherapy - what have you tried?

    Here's an interesting article about using scent to make medication easier for children. It's mostly about the advantages of laughing gas (NO, nitrous oxide) for children who need minamally invasive...
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    Re: Basenotes...The Fragrance (AKA Pong Idol)

    Thanks for the link 30roses.

    Grant, Danielle,
    Is there an update on the plan? The original post said the fragrances would be presented at at initial meeting on Feb. 4. Has the first round of...
  46. Re: Article: Final three fragrances announced in Basenotes / CPL Aromas Fragrance Project

    Add my congratulations. I look forward to all three. Some I can compare to things I have smelled. And it will be good to smell an absinthe 'fume so I don't have to drink the drink.
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    Les Parfums de Grasse

    Does anyone have experience with this line? There were 4-5 different scents available at TJMaxx today. But I didn't find them as a house in the BN Fragrance Directory. Nor did I find them with a...
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    Re: Making Room Sprays Last Longer

    mrclmind, this sounds great. I don't know the brown sugar holders. Can you describe them more or link to a picture?
    Thanks.
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    Re: How to burn pure frankincense and myrrh?

    I don't know how generally this works but I've found that I can burn my lumps of myrrh and frankincense directly. I put them in the empty aluminum cup left when a tea candle had all burned up. Then...
  50. Re: Fragrance formulation sheets and beginning.

    Mumsy, I also suggest saving those "failed experiments." These are important data in your learning about how individual smells combine to make new smells. Even if it's not what you want today,...
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    Sticky: Re: All your briefs...

    When will the three selected briefs be annnounced?
  52. Re: U.s. National basenotes meet-ups: 2010, 2011, 2012?

    It sounds interesting. Any idea how long to get to Ashland and how long the tour would take? Maybe we'd do that some of sunday and wait until Monday to drive back.
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    Re: Synthetic vs. Natural Perfumery

    Thanks for those who bumped this thread. Scentophile's initial post is great & worth periodic re-reading. While I'm not as turned off by seeing "All Natural" or "Organic" on a label as I am by...
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    Re: designing a degree about smell

    Back when I went to college (the last millenium!) we had to pick a major out of the catalog, not create one. I guess professors were suspicious of what we'd make up.

    Anyway, if you want to use...
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    Re: What is the deal w. MPG?

    What's required to become a perfume distributer?
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    Re: Making Your Own Room Spray

    The suggested proportions will give a very light scent. If you spray it on linens as you are ironing them, you'll get a nice burst of scent but no persistence.

    I've made mixtures that are this...
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    Re: unlimited resources

    Taking "unlimited resources" seriously, the obvious answer is, Buy everything! The right vanilla to use may be different for one 'fume versus another.

    The next step would be to outfit a lab...
  58. Re: Irritating questions asked at perfume stores...

    May I respectfully suggest assuming that an unfamiliar SA is human until she/he proves otherwise? Maybe even have your own ice breaking question ready. I always hope the SA knows more about what's...
  59. Re: Th Joy of dirt - why cleanliness may be going out of fashion

    I vote for clean. And for choosing what you smell like by wearing perfume, not by wearing last night's dinner or this morning's workout.

    I was in the hospital, Dec. 22-24, for a full hip...
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    Re: Question about BN reviews

    I suggest becoming a supporter. It's a great way to support BN and then your reviews appear at once. I submitted one review before I became a supporter. It didn't appear and didn't appear and I...
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    Re: Candles are banned.

    Try three sprays of any 'fume you like on an inexpensive towel hanging over a towel bar in your bathroom. I find that some 'fumes will keep the bathroom smelling nice for a day and some for only an...
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    Re: Too many 'stinky' fragrance materials

    Irina,

    First be sure you're working in a well ventilated area. Since it's winter now, where you are, this may be a problem. If necessary, set up a fan to exhaust your work area.

    Second, try...
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    Re: How do I mix oil with dilluted alcohol?

    I have an 80% (160 proof) vodka (Brand = Devil's Springs). So far I haven't found anything I couldn't disolve up to 10%. I haven't tried greater than 10%. I've tried both EOs from the supermarket...
  64. Re: What is the worst male fragrance you've ever smelled?

    My new favorite expression: "When the Voodoo hit the fan."

    Thank you, Brielle.
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    Re: Adding Musk To Existing Fragrance?

    I would dilute a small fraction of each musk single note, first to 10%, then to 1%, and see what you like. Smelling these will tell you if you have to go down to 0.1% to get anything you (or those...
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    Re: Basenote problem! I'm Confused

    I think you should give it a day. Someone has to respond to the information that you've paid by changing your status. As of now, you still show as 'Basenotes Junkie.' When your payment has been...
  67. Poll: Re: What types of fragrance advertising do you consider affect your decision to buy fragrances

    I voted, 'use of a face celebrity.' I have to admit that attaching a famous name to a fragrance makes me more skeptical and less likely to buy.
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    Re: Ambergris in perfume

    Another possibility is to contact Linda at The Perfumer's Apprentice. She sells tincture of real ambergris. She also helps people who visit her store to make their own personal perfumes.
  69. Thread: Orchid

    by ECaruthers
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    Orchid

    I recently received a set of four orchid fragrance samples from Olympic Orchids, aka OrchidFinders. These were composed by Ellen Covey who also sells orchids. These are not single notes but are...
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    Re: Samples of DIY perfumes

    We received a very nice set of five fragrances, some of which can already be bought from the Olympic Orchidsí web site. Thank you, Ellen.

    We sampled each scent on a piece of paper towel (which...
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    Re: perfume with vanilla + rum (?)

    I think you have to approach this as an experiment. Whether the rum note is strong enough depends on your preferences. Maybe the first experiment is to just dab a little straight rum on your wrist...
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    Re: perfume with vanilla + rum (?)

    I know vanilla beans steeped in booze gives a very nice drink. My mother used to make her own coffee flavored liquor by adding instant coffee, sugar and a vanilla bean to bourbon.

    I can't...
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    Re: perfume with vanilla + rum (?)

    Start with a 0.75 L bottle of rum. With a sharp knife, slice the vanilla bean in half, from top to bottom. Put both halves in the bottle of rum. Store in a dark, cool cabinet for one month. After...
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    Re: Diffuser rings?

    Thanks, Ysacha,

    The rings at both these sites seem designed to hold oils in a trough, rather than to absorb and then slowly release an alcohol-based perfume. Does anyone have experince with...
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    Diffuser rings?

    A friend has described diffuser rings, which she says she used to see but hasn't in a while. They are ceramic rings, which can absorb some perfume, and that are shaped to sit on a light bulb. Turn...
  76. Re: kinda long story and a joke, (requesting help) read this if you have time to kill =D

    Guten abend, wie gaets? ... No wait... Hola, que tal? ... Nah, your English is much better than my Spanish. Welcome!

    I think also the book Perfumes The Guide might help you. From some of the...
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    Re: Dissolving jojoba oil

    Thanks, janmeut, that's good information to have. Does the same 4X rule work if I want to disolve an alcohol based accord in an oil?
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    Re: Dissolving jojoba oil

    Kefka,

    Thanks for the information. Ethyoxylation is a trick I haven't heard of before. I know surfactants can be added to help water and oil mix, but my reading suggests that success requires...
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    Re: Reformulation Thought for Today.

    I guess I might be happy that the Givauden-IFRA-EU connection is so public. This would be easy to use in any organized effort to oppose the EU or other governments from adopting IFRA rules.

    I...
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    Re: Any tips on soft floral notes?

    swe_tiger,
    Have you diluted your FOs yet? If you've only smelled the concentrates, then you may be pleasantly surprised by dilutions. I suggest taking small ammounts of each FO and diluting to 10%...
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    Re: A little giggle

    I was pretty sure Quarry saw the same thing that MK, Prim, Tao and I saw. Brielle's post is too deadpan for me to judge.
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    Reversing a Reformulation

    Here's an article about a Facebook campaign that has gotten Unilever India to promise to reverse a reformulation of 221 year old Pears soap. I found the reference on Avery Gilbert's First Nerve...
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    I nominate machine oil. It's used as a lubicant...

    I nominate machine oil. It's used as a lubicant and coolant in high speed metal-on-metal maching. Small ammounts remain to perfume many metal parts fabricated in machine shops. I find it instantly...
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    Re: Fragrance turns bad on skin

    paperinik,
    I suspect your experience is more common than the industry likes to admit. People are known to differ in blood type and tissue type. Scientists have found that underarm sweat can be...
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    Re: Any tips on soft floral notes?

    I have two thoughts -
    1) lilac. I used to get a FO from Bath & Body Works but I think they discontinued it.
    2) ylang ylang in greater dilution. To my nose, the smell of y-y goes from medicinal...
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    Re: Briefs we submitted

    mtgprox05 ,

    The advantage of working with professional noses is, they know how to balance the notes you suggested to get the effects you described. They also know how to add small ammounts of...
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    Re: Aromatherapy - what have you tried?

    DeniDithyrambia included some useful expereince using perfumes to help a friend in the hospital.
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    Re: Aromatherapy - what have you tried?

    I've experimented a little with different 'fumes on the pillow at bedtime. Cabochard (Green) and Azzao pour Homme (Fougere) were probably more aggitating than soothing. Realm Men (Oriental) and...
  89. Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    Ankica,

    Nature's Alchemy sells a variety of carrier oils. You'd at least know they were compatible with Nature's Alchemy EOs.
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    Re: Just starting out

    Depending on where you live you may be able to find 15 ml bottles of various essential oils in a drug or grocery store. Check the aromatherapy, health and beauty, and atural products departments. ...
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    Re: Jasmine, jasmine, jasmine!!

    I guess it was in the 18th century that leater goods and perfumes were most tightly linked. In those days, leather was made with fragrant natural products which were not so nice to smell. They were...
  92. Re: 2 men charged for selling counterfeit cologne, perfume

    I do research for a living (although not in 'fumes). When the company that pays for development of new products doesn't make profits, they respond by cutting costs. Eventually they cut the...
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    Re: Jasmine, jasmine, jasmine!!

    I know Jasmine initially from Twinnings. But I think the jasmine teas I've bought by the ounce at my local supermarket all had dried flowers among the tea.
  94. Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    Ankica,
    Trying your fragrance oil in at least one other oil would be an experiment.
    A) If the FO doesn't disperse in any oil, then I'd conclude that it probably contains water and/or alcohol, OR...
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    Re: Aromatherapy - what have you tried?

    Thanks, Nukapai, for what seems to me to be a very fair and balanced approach, at least to the psychological effects of EOs. The medical effects that you're looking for and that Nymphaea mentioned...
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    Re: Aromatherapy - what have you tried?

    Ankica,

    What smell or smells did you choose for the solid you will take for your job interview? Is the purpose relaxation or self-confidence, or something else?

    Since you don't like lavender,...
  97. Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    Ankica,
    I think the key problem is solubility. Most commercial perfumes use alcohol (with a little water) to disolve the aromachemicals. But the aromachemicals are all organics, as are jojoba and...
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    Aromatherapy - what have you tried?

    I know almost nothing about aromatherapy. But I'm curious. And I'm especially interested in people's personal experiences. So here are a few questions to kick off the discussion.

    What do you...
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    Re: Briefs we submitted

    Thanks, for posting, kb2003, especially Big Country. I grew up in San antonio and went to college in Austin. I've lived in much greener pastures for more than 30 years. But a few years ago, I...
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    Re: How to burn pure frankincense and myrrh?

    I've tried a couple of other things, semi-successfully.

    I dropped two tears each of Myrrh and Frankincense directly onto a candle flame. They caught fire and burned. I got a mixed scent along...
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