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    Re: Not a duplicate: Best Designer Ouds

    That is a good point,
    however there are deals to be found in the niche market too,
    especially with certain lines and if you're open to decants.

    >>That RealOud looks right up my alley too, but...
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    Re: Not a duplicate: Best Designer Ouds

    Well that's a quaint restriction.
    In my experience, if a designer oud is half decent, then it is probably part of their boutique line.
    Maybe you could specify the budget limit, because the...
  3. Re: looking to try different types of agarwood for the first time

    If noone Stateside offers you an intro, pm me.
    I'm in Europe, and could put together a tiny parcel with a few introductory slivers.
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    Re: What are you wearing today?

    @blade
    What is it like?
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    Re: What are you wearing today?

    In lieu of a good Hindi?
    The way oud empties the wallet, I'm open to all cost effective substitutes ;)
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    @GaianMind
    Thanks for the description, sounds like Gyrinops to me, minus the frankincense note which I can't relate to.
    Well if you already love the JK sample and he can provide more, it seems your...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    @AgarwoodIndonesia & oud distiller
    thanks for the contributions

    @GaianMind
    Well that would depend on the wood I'd say, whether it is filaria or gyrinops.
    Maybe you could describe the profile of...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    "it is best to try and keep as many of the controllable variables constant and also limiting the introduction of other irregularities such as water types. "

    Makes sense, thanks.
    I guess academic...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Tried a couple of oils from 'Agarwood Indonesia', via our own 'oud distiller'

    East Kalimantan (Indah Kemilau)
    The opening to this oil is very dense, it has a strong piercing presence. Breaking...
  10. Re: What is the sexiest oud oil you've ever smelt?

    Oud Yunus!
    In that it makes me feel sexier,
    I don't think anybody smelling it on me would perceive me as sexier :P ;)
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    To be fair I don't think I've ever read a blurb claiming that the water source affected a steam distillation.
    If there is such a case perhaps you could point it out?
    The promotional materials I've...
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    Re: Your Favorite Ouds

    For a perfume that actually contains real oud I always suggest RealOud by Phoenicia Perfumes,
    we're talking the rougher barn-pong oud type here, with some bite.
    It is a small perfumery and as real...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    My impression of Al-Ghaliyah:
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/401021-What-are-you-wearing-today/page21?p=3532781&viewfull=1#post3532781

    >>There is no name or indication as to which store it came...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Oudh Qais by Al Shareef
    might have the most distinct fruits I've smelt in an oud. Often in ouds there is a muddled amalgamation of fruits, creating an abstract impression, but in Qais I could...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    @TWIS
    Fair enough,
    in the meantime while we've been discussing it, the layout has changed again!
    Pretty annoying really as I'll have to recheck my bookmarks...

    Anyway,
    if one has a bookmark...
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    Re: RK & Sons Attars/Mukhalats

    Well I emailed them 3 times and never received any reply.
    I can tell you that inspires little trust!
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    @TWIS
    >> they'll be stuck with this short thread which has only a very small % of the total knowledge base that had accumulated over years in the original thread.

    Nothing was lost during the...
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    Re: What are you wearing today?

    SOTD Al-Ghaliyah by Al Shareef Oudh

    This one definitely opens with an animalic bang; the musk in it just seems to overflow into the surrounding spaces with the sour of a barnyard oud melding...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    No, simply one of those threads that refused to die.

    It is a matter of different formatting, in the group each page was 10 posts,
    in the forum it is 60 posts long.
    If you do the math, you can...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    @okonos
    Welcome Back!
    nothing has changed really, the bulk and wealth of oud info is in three threads, this one
    the older oud one http://www.basenotes.net/threads/400983-Oudh-Ud-Aoud-lt-3-erz
    and...
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    Re: What are you wearing today?

    Sounds awesome!
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Looks fabulous!
    Easy to be jealous of that array :)
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    The last thing I tried and liked was Red Musk,
    It is a smokey, ambery, musky aroma, one that is densely woven and very warm.
    I get an overarching Indian herbal quality to it which makes me think of...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Aloes of Ish has nice blends.
    If you're speaking of the ouds, I've tried a couple, they are low grade and of questionable purity.
    On the plus side, communication from Aloes of Ish is excellent,...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Yes, I've been stiffed a couple of times.
    One vendor actually argued the point to the death and insisted since he'd used a ruler to measure what he had sent, that he must be right.
    It was rather...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Could you elaborate on the effect a speck of dead skin can have on oud oil over time?



    I'd welcome any education if you are offering it.
    When you say pumparounds are you referring to...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    That is a completely ridiculous suggestion!
    by definition a sample is 'A small part or quantity intended to show what the whole is like'.
    In pefumery, unless specifically stated otherwise, the...
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    Re: Ethically 'Harvested' Deer Musk

    Fair point,
    let us say a natural diet then.
    to quote the one research papaer linked to :
    "
    Animals were fed a diet of leaves collected from the natural habitat and supplemented by artificial food...
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    Re: What are you wearing today?

    Great idea.
    I've been wearing Rose 31 the past couple of years for Easter,
    maybe I'll go bolder with some APLS,
    or I could stick to traditions and perhaps deepen Rose 31 with an oud ;)
    or go old...
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    Re: Mixing and measuring

    Purchase a jewelry scale something along the 200g x0.01g line
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    Re: What are you wearing today?

    Sulawesi by Oudimentary
  32. Thread: New home

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    Sticky: Re: New home

    It does, thanks!
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Actually my question was which is the oud listed between the Green Papua and Dark Papua, it seems to be another UNS, but I can't make out the writing?

    Regardless of expertise, it still makes for...
  34. Thread: New home

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    Sticky: Re: New home

    I tried searching older posts and can say the search function is still not working.
    thanks
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Thank you for the chart.
    Is it Magnifincense Dark Meghalayan under the CO2?
    What is between Green Papua and Dark Papua?

    For context, if I may,
    I'll just post some of the description you...
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    Re: Ethically 'Harvested' Deer Musk

    Yes I am aware of the internal demand in China, and that mortality rates were high in the beginning of trials, and the musk inferior to wild.
    I was wondering if advancements have been made over the...
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    Re: Ethically 'Harvested' Deer Musk

    I'd not thought of that.
    Although if one were to wait for the natural course, and pick out old deer that had died,
    one would think their peak musk production period would have already passed and...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Welcome back MrP!

    I was recently searching a copy of the oud flow chart you'd once made showing your ouds and the connections you'd made between them.
    The links to it had long expired, the group...
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    Re: Ethically 'Harvested' Deer Musk

    That does sound interesting!



    Sounds good to me.
    There are different philosophies and comfort levels. Personally, I'd like my musk blood free.



    Well, perhaps capture of the deer on...
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    Re: Ethically 'Harvested' Deer Musk

    Thanks, I am aware of Profumo.
    I wasn't aware of the background story, or perhaps only skim read it.
    It is pretty clear he got his musk from killed deer btw.
    The Marco Polo story about gathering...
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    Re: Agarwood/Kyara Inense Sticks

    No I have not,
    Baieido are one of the premium brands so I'm sure you'll be happy,
    however I believe the consensus on the forum was that their quality has declined somewhat over recent years.
    My...
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    Re: Agarwood/Kyara Inense Sticks

    Unfortunately, it seems Japanese incense is not as widely available in Europe as it is in the States.
    Also, U.S. companies will not (can not) ship out incense containing agarwood.
    And when you do...
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    Re: Ethical Deer Musk

    @Kaern
    Thanks, I am aware real musk is no longer used in mainstream perfumes. It is however still used in perfumery, other fragrant constructs, and TCM.
    Musk is not yet extinct, and its use has not...
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    Ethically 'Harvested' Deer Musk

    Hi,

    probably an improbability but is there such a thing as ethically 'harvested' musk available to buy?
    To further clarify I do not consider pods that come from culled Siberian populations as...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Alshareef,
    thank you for providing these images,
    it is great to get some visuals of resin formation under physical inducement.

    Personally speaking, I would have liked to see a cross-section of...
  46. Re: Quest for THE Assam OUD. The Journey starts !

    Good luck! If you run into a Hindi like Yunus, let us know
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    @Kyarazen, AlShareef

    >>actually its ok for a tree to have a rotten core... because the heart of most old trees are dead.... if you saw down some old growth koompassia or dalbergia...

    Can you...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    "I think I may have contaminated my sample or something with my own body oil, the opening smells like a sweaty, pungent gym bag now"

    Is that your natural scent? :P
    Delicious Scent indeed :)
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    Re: Agarwood oils - origins and production

    Sultanul Oud have one, Tarakano
    http://www.sultanuloud.com/collections/pure-oud/products/tarakano
    I've not ried it myself
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    @AlShareef, AgarwoodIndonesia >>Saudara...

    @AlShareef, AgarwoodIndonesia

    >>Saudara agarwoodindonesia said is accurate , that center piece is rot and it shouldn't be considered as Oudh,

    Which piece precisely?
    What am I looking for?
    I...
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    @5MeO "reminds me also of the green oil kyara...

    @5MeO
    "reminds me also of the green oil kyara scent as Oud Yusuf does"

    I know each piece of wood can differ, and that each nose perceives differently,
    but I'd just like to offer a counterpoint...
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    And old article linked to years ago, but I think...

    And old article linked to years ago,
    but I think a link to it should find a suitable home here in this thread:
    http://www.aramcoworld.com/issue/199706/the.roses.of.taif.htm
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    Re: Kyen Here is the latest copy from Ensar:...

    Re: Kyen

    Here is the latest copy from Ensar:
    In Thai, luew refers to the immediate surface area of the infection site on an agarwood tree. The second batch was a select kyen distillation of...
  54. Orgoglio italianO - Amouage had an attar, the Al...

    Orgoglio italianO -
    Amouage had an attar, the Al Andalus which was very much inspired by western fresh colognes.
    Think of it as Chez Bond with a spicier Arabian character.
    That one would be my...
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    kc3dl, it wasn't that bad. I was most surprised...

    kc3dl, it wasn't that bad. I was most surprised by the pretense and stalling... Usually vendors with substandard items fold very fast.
    I'm going through a more unpleasant one right now.
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    What is Kyen?

    What is Kyen?
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    Equally important in knowing who to trust, is...

    Equally important in knowing who to trust, is knowing who not to trust.

    I bought from norlinda72 off Ebay, I found the regular oud to smell nothing like oud so I sent a response:

    I received...
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    http://www.therisingphoenixgroup.com/#!products-an...

    http://www.therisingphoenixgroup.com/#!products-and-perfumes/c1rlf
    page 2,
    and P'Eau is a limited edition
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    I'd love to get some retrospective oudification,...

    I'd love to get some retrospective oudification,
    as such I would appreciate the opportunity to try past legends such as Borneo 3000, Oud Royale, Kyara Koutan, (old) Thaqeel, maybe Royal Kinam.
    Oils...
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    @goudaha "I asked TWIS if they would also...

    @goudaha
    "I asked TWIS if they would also consider partnering with EO as they have done with AA. Hope to get a positive response on that some day because TWIS offers oud oils in .75 ml bottles,...
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    @bluemoon has exceeded their stored private...

    @bluemoon has exceeded their stored private messages quota
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    @JDHawk I'm glad I made you smile, :) and here...

    @JDHawk
    I'm glad I made you smile, :)
    and here I was thinking only kyara could do that :P
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    Which do you find to have a chocolate smell to...

    Which do you find to have a chocolate smell to them?
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    @5MeO EnsarOud has new chips on his site ...

    @5MeO
    EnsarOud has new chips on his site

    @JDHawk
    I'd not be deterred by the description.
    I've read through it a couple of times and from what I see,
    only 2 points are made:
    a. West Papuan oud...
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    I believe the butane question has been previously...

    I believe the butane question has been previously answered.
    I recall reading it when I went through the thread.
    http://www.basenotes.net/group.php?discussionid=461&pp=10&page=709&do=discuss
    ...
  66. If I may say so, I consider the Di Parma...

    If I may say so, I consider the Di Parma decidedly mediocre. I'd not waste any pure oud on layering experiments with that one.
    I've not retained a complete memory of the Zegna, but from what I...
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    re Enfleurage I believe Trygve lives in Oman and...

    re Enfleurage
    I believe Trygve lives in Oman and has a distillation set-up there, and spesialises in frankincense.
    I wouldn't mind trying her frank oils :)
    http://www.absolutetrygve.com/
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    @AlshareefOudh I tried it, unfortunately I...

    @AlshareefOudh
    I tried it, unfortunately I picked an oil with a leathery/motor oil top note...
    The method seems to enhance the top note experience, very much like eating top notes,
    an aroma burst...
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    Yes ASAQ.

    Yes ASAQ.
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    From Zahras a while ago actually

    From Zahras a while ago actually
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    I have some Dehn Al Oud Cambodi, It is cambodi...

    I have some Dehn Al Oud Cambodi,
    It is cambodi only in name. Think of it in terms of a lower quality Hindi, a harsh powerful barnyard open which shifts to a woody hay base. I've not worn it in a...
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    @Thomas S. Yes, Marion's writing is lovely, I...

    @Thomas S.
    Yes, Marion's writing is lovely, I wish she still contributed. She is missed...

    Also this for regions
    http://www.fragrantica.com/news/OUD-SERIES-The-Smell-of-Oud-by-Terroir-5253.html
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    https://olfactoryrescueservice.wordpress.com/2011/...

    https://olfactoryrescueservice.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/oud-regional-profiling/
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    Locale, volume and pricing of the Patchouli...

    Locale, volume and pricing of the Patchouli should have meant it was genuine.
    If even that one was counterfeit, then there is little hope of any honest transaction with the vendor ever
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    What were the other oils you got? I believe...

    What were the other oils you got?
    I believe there was once mention of them having both synthetics and naturals. Obviously when shopping for naturals one would want to know what is pure and what not.
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    @kc3dl interesting combo, I'd think you'd want...

    @kc3dl interesting combo,
    I'd think you'd want to be precise with that kind of mix, i.e. mukhallat mixing,
    or have you at least pre-diluted some of the components?
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    @Kyarazen Best of luck in getting your oud GCMS...

    @Kyarazen
    Best of luck in getting your oud GCMS project funding. I hope you get the ball rolling soon.
    No doubt when you do get to it, some of the 100 samples you mention will prove to be less than...
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    @AlshareefOudh Perhaps then, you could align...

    @AlshareefOudh
    Perhaps then, you could align yourself with Kyarazen's spirit of openly sharing the knowledge.
    You could publish your findings with guiding notes on your upcoming webpage,
    or add to...
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    as a matter of interest. peculiar practices are...

    as a matter of interest.
    peculiar practices are at least interesting.
    Also if there is anything vaguely convincing about the reasoning one could always replicate on a micro scale with a lesser and...
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    "He did say in the clip that you don't have to...

    "He did say in the clip that you don't have to use expensive oils, cheap oils are fine. He is using the cheapest he could find."

    Obviously!
    I never thought otherwise, and I don't see why anybody...
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    Hi LadySara, I think the tendency is to move...

    Hi LadySara,

    I think the tendency is to move away from the larger Arabian orientated houses as one's experience deepens,
    so probably mosy have not tried the products you refer to. It is not that...
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    @Delicious Scent Plausible! I do get a menthol...

    @Delicious Scent
    Plausible! I do get a menthol feel in the opening stage, and later on I'd say the herbal sweetness I smell has a similar cooling effect such as menthol.

    @trucupey20
    Last time I...
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    Agar Attar review Upon application there's an...

    Agar Attar review
    Upon application there's an unmistakable oud barnyard pong that reaches out, but not far enough to be intrusive, and after half an hour that 'off-note' is completely gone, it's as...
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    @LittleCrow Thanks! Olfactory fatigue is a...

    @LittleCrow Thanks!

    Olfactory fatigue is a temporary phenomenon. Smelling a new oud on the first day wouldn't impair your ability to smell it the second, not unless you were taking a swipe...
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    I don't get visions, and as a general rule not...

    I don't get visions, and as a general rule not even isolated images,
    but I'd say a comparable experience to me is one of suspension,
    where wisps of the aroma distract you from daily routines; ...
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    @Scrumdiddlyupmtious re aged patchouli...

    @Scrumdiddlyupmtious
    re aged patchouli...
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    @Scrumdiddlyupmtious nice pics! Nice to see...

    @Scrumdiddlyupmtious nice pics!
    Nice to see Agarwoodindonesia offer his own stamp of style. I like it.

    @jjmoney
    I've never thought of Kritsana Pa and Purple Dervish as relatives.
    I'll have to...
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    @Sparky I've been happy with both the quality...

    @Sparky
    I've been happy with both the quality and pricing of Proudstyle products so far.
    Being in the EU it works for me. I can't use SKS because shipping and import duty would tip the balance....
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    @Sparky I've used over 100 vials from Proudstyle...

    @Sparky
    I've used over 100 vials from Proudstyle with no leakages and no breakages.
    Whereas I have received vials that leak, and I wish I knew the manufacturer of those,
    and I also once got 3ml...
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    I guess it depends where you are located,...

    I guess it depends where you are located, personally I use Proudstyle
    http://www.proudstyle.com/Items/Glass_Bottles/3258.html
    people I know in the US tend to use SKS...
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    I think if you cross post your 'challenge' post...

    I think if you cross post your 'challenge' post about finding good sandalwood nowadays it will make for a good thread starter.
    Personally I'd like to know where one can currently source good...
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    @fungusamongus kyarazen agarwoodindonesia I...

    @fungusamongus kyarazen agarwoodindonesia

    I believe both answers were referring to aetoxylon,
    personally I'm interested in trying both
    whether it be called gaharu buaya (aetoxylon)
    or it be...
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    @Kyarazen thanks 5kg is enough to bathe in...

    @Kyarazen
    thanks 5kg is enough to bathe in daily,
    I was looking to get maybe 10ml to try out ;)
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    @kyarazen speaking of buaya, where does one...

    @kyarazen

    speaking of buaya,
    where does one get buaya oil?
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    @agarwoodindonesia what do you mean by cork...

    @agarwoodindonesia

    what do you mean by cork tissued oud chips?
    by too quick do you mean a tree youngling that is not yet mature enough to fight the disease, so the disease penetrates to the sap...
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    To my understanding, wild is exactly that, just...

    To my understanding, wild is exactly that,
    just as you'd label a wild animal, it grew in a jungle unassisted, it was infected naturally, it triggered its resin and sat there without interference....
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    @PEARL @Sparky @edward t Thanks for the...

    @PEARL @Sparky @edward t

    Thanks for the suggestions some time ago about how to burn oud and where to get it from.
    I really like edward t's method of cutting little chunks with a wire cutter,
    and...
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    Alirican2: thanks for the suggestion. Oud Mostafa...

    Alirican2: thanks for the suggestion. Oud Mostafa did catch my eye, I'll think about sampling it.

    iris&oud: Thanks for the helpful description

    Andrew: I'd never considered mailing Ensar...
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    Hi, I was wondering if there's anything out...

    Hi,

    I was wondering if there's anything out there that is comparable to Yunus.
    I find the dry down of Yunus to be especially ethereal, there seems to be a fantastic depth to it and it's the only...
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    @PEARL @Sparky Thanks I tried again waiting for...

    @PEARL @Sparky
    Thanks I tried again waiting for the coal to form a white ash,
    more than a while actually, I guess I was overanxious when first trying and threw the oud straight into the fire.
    The...
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