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    Re: Stranded with 10 kg of aroma chemicals

    lets have a kg of 2-Acetyl Pyrazine, and everyone passing by will wonder who is having such a huge amount of popcorn!
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    Re: Recreating Bleu De Chanel

    i haven't smelled this one, but - as the title suggests - i bet it is built around Calone.
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    Re: Advice on formula

    this is not entirely true. there are quite a bunch of ACs easily available that are both long lasting and very diffusive. think of e.g. woody ambers, hedione, musks.

    @OP: my advice would be to...
  4. Re: Firmenich Oud Samples from "Sharing Innovation 2018"

    i'm very curious about the dextro nor limbanol! how does it compare to regular norlimanol?
  5. Thread: Sublime Vanille

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    Re: Sublime Vanille

    i don't know this particular fragrance, but i had some success bringing vanilla-like notes to the top with valspice. might be worth a try. its definitely more toppy that vanillin.
    and as bill...
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    Re: What is the highest use of peach aldehyde?

    thx for showing your formula to us!
    is the Maltol pure? if so, 5% is quite a heavy load and could be one of the reasons that the formula can take 5% C14. it actually sounds interesting to prepare a...
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    Re: What is the highest use of peach aldehyde?

    if the wood base is strong, it could take quite a load of the c14. i'm curious about your wood base ;)
    combinations of powerful ingredients are interesting all the times!
  8. Thread: Paul's Thread

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    Re: Paul's Thread

    thank you PK!
    your eventual return to basenotes would be very much appreciated!
  9. Thread: Hinokitiol

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    Re: Hinokitiol

    may i ask where you purchased the hinokitiol? its sounds like a very interesting AC!
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    Re: Formula: A Nod to Égoďste

    thanks for sharing! interesting to see your bases incorporated in a formula :)

    may i ask you about the use of hercolyn D in your cuir base? given that its a quite large amount, whats your opinion...
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    Re: Improving top notes

    for the formula given, and the fact you work all natural, i'd try a tiny tiny touch of cilantro leaf EO. its mainly aldehyde c-10 and will add sparkle to your top notes. be careful, its strong.
  12. Re: Advice regarding the diluting of civet absolute

    i'm having the absolute from robertet too, supplied from PSH, and i actually don't get a strong scatole note from it. its mainly cheesy parmesan urine and waxy...
  13. Thread: Taking my leave

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    Re: Taking my leave

    ^^^^^ exactly!
  14. Re: Advice regarding the diluting of civet absolute

    interesting experiment! i'm just a little concerned that even a small piece of NaOH will change the ph value quite drastically (assuming you are working in rather small tincture-quantities, but i...
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    Re: Problem with aldehyde C-12 MNA

    those materials can help taming aldehydes, to a certain degree...
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    Re: idea for mock oud accord

    being curious if anyone made it, too. it contains frightening 3% evernyl. maybe the civettone is balancing this?
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    Re: Problem with aldehyde C-12 MNA

    concentrates with aldehydes need way more time than one week for maturation. i recommend at least one month before evaluating. for final maturation 2-3 months, depending on your other ingredients.
    ...
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    Re: Small perfume sample atomizers

    don't know where you are based, but for Europe i can recommend: http://shop.hexapus.nl/perfume-bottles/p-1a/27092-1.html
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    Re: BHT usage percentage

    its also good to keep in mind that manufacturers already add BHT to some ACs. hedione is one of the most prominent. if added, its listed in the MSDS.
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    Re: can someone describe immortelle

    ^^^ yes!
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    Re: symroxane: what do we know about it?

    hm thats interesting, i do get a distinct fecal note from it.
  22. Thread: Lichee note

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    Re: Lichee note

    perfumers apprentice used to carry it. i'd drop them a note if they still can supply.
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    Re: ‘Sexy’ elements

    i was actually quite surprised that you didn't propose indole in your initial post :)
  24. Thread: Lichee note

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    Re: Lichee note

    a trace of dimethyl sulphide will be very helpful.
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    Re: ‘Sexy’ elements

    definitly indole, in traces. i'd recommend around 0.1%, but it depends on your final formula how much you will need.

    did you consider ionones? they play an important role in the perfumes you...
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    Re: Infamous benzyl benzoate to the rescue

    i don't think that its due to further dilution of the blend. the poucher quote - generously provided by pears - about the 'flattening effect' equals with my experience with BB.
    the aroma of benzyl...
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    Re: Sour Balsamic Vinegar Note?

    i'd try costus oliffac, sulphurol, thiomentone. none of those are explicitly vinegarish, but i can imagine they can contribute well to a wine accord. and as already stated by julian35, depending of...
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    Re: Masculine sweetness

    did you consider benzoin?
  29. Re: Remaking Gucci Gorgeous Gardenia for My Wife...

    i don't think its a formula, but an excerpt of a gc/ms analysis. it needs knowledge, experience and skills to turn that into an approximation of the original formula.
    perfumers apprentice is...
  30. Re: Non American members - Where do you buy your materials from?

    i agree with the points Dmitry mentioned. another problem is that there is a difference if a material is produced for fragrance production, or for other lab purposes. even if it is stated that the...
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    Re: Disposing of failed experiments.

    ^^^^^exactly this!
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    Re: First perfume - what to add?

    hedione develops a slightly sour note when going bad, it takes quite some time though.
    i think you don't have to worry about a metallic aspect.
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    Re: First perfume - what to add?

    dihydrojasmone has a distinct warm celery note, similar to cis jasmone. it is very useful in a jasmine accord. wouldn't recommend that one for your purpose right now.
    the jasmine base might work,...
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    Re: First perfume - what to add?

    i'd like to propose celestolide for the musk-part, bright clean sparkling, and easy to dose. 10% of the formula are easily possible without overtaking your other materials.

    for extending the ylang...
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    Re: Ink and Hairspray

    Apo Patchone Coeur has an inky aspect, similar to m-cresol.
  36. Re: Looking for materials like Methyl Pamplemousse with longevity

    i want to add labienoxime to the listed materials.
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    Re: Possible Grossjman substitutes?

    i disagree with you. a mixture of materials with elements that stand out, is a mixture, and not an accord. an accord needs to be balanced to create something new.

    talking about substations of...
  38. Thread: green top note

    by pavomi
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    Re: green top note

    i once worked on a green compost-like top note for a room scent, and the key was dimethyl sulphide in combination with mainly leaf alcohol and galbanum pyrazine (with quite a heavy load of benzyl...
  39. Thread: green top note

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    Re: green top note

    i highly recommend theaspirane in combination with stemone. and galbanum pyrazine might fit this formula also very well. its green in the direction of green bell peppers, and not grassy green like...
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    Re: I don't like the term "blender".

    totally agree here (beside that every substance will also contribute to the aroma and cannot be reduced to its function...).
    for me its the same with the term 'modifier', which i absolutely didnt...
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    Re: Study plan suggestions

    completely agree, especially with creating simple and easy accessible accords. you can find a lot here in the forum, and @ the good scents company.

    and talking about wearing notes as RSG...
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    Re: Art of Scent 1889-2012

    that looks wonderful! the museum also provides a very interesting series of talks on you tube, but you most likely know about that. totally enjoyed ralf schwieger: "clean and sexy don't necessarily...
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    Re: Thick Jammy Rose - Advice

    i'm pretty sure pell wall can source it for you as a special order. it will be a different price tag than at perfumers apprentice though.
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    Re: Thick Jammy Rose - Advice

    for making it velvety i'd recommend dimethyl sulphide (in tiny tiny traces!), guaiac heart (robertet) might be helpful too. try to incorporate powdery musks like velvione or cosmone, those will work...
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    Re: Accord in Polo Green/Z-14/Italian Cypress

    my sample of costausol from perfumers apprentice is warm woody, oily (a bit in the direction of rancid oil), very earthy and fecal. these notes resemble some aspects of costus root co2. out of my...
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    Re: Incense Materials

    benzoin is great in incense! and labdanum/hydrocarboresin are awesome in combination with cistus EO. cistus has a lovely dry incensy drydown.
    try to replace amberxtreme with ambrocenide. to my nose...
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    Re: Evaporation Rate / Molecular weights

    very true of course. but i disagree that creating schiff bases is a method to turn top notes to base notes, out of my experience.
    i handle the results as new aromas, that may smell similar, but wont...
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    Re: Evaporation Rate / Molecular weights

    sorry pears, i wasn't able to decipher your initial post in this details. didnt want to question your opinion. getting it now, and i totally agree :)
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    Re: Evaporation Rate / Molecular weights

    but, converting aldehydes to schiff bases does not necessarily mean turning a top note to a base note. most of the times the aroma impression of the initial aldehyde is quite different to the...
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    Re: Okoumal and Adoxal EU/UK

    PM if you want me to send a sample.
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    Re: Musk/Amber diffusive-ness suggestion Please.

    there *might* be something wrong with your iso e.
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    Re: Okoumal and Adoxal EU/UK

    same problem with purchasing okoumal in DIY amounts here in EU. i just recently got it imported from perfumers apprentice by a visiting friend, again and again. would be awesome if for example pell...
  53. Re: Orris or Irone? Violet leaf or 2,6-Nonadienal?

    sometimes the perfumer chooses complexity, another time maybe simplicity. there is not 'better'. it mostly depends on the briefing what materials are to be chosen to achieve a matching result.
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    Re: Separation Anxiety

    thats exactly what i meant when asking which oils you are using. very sorry for not being clear in my initial post...
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    Re: Separation Anxiety

    what oils are you using?
  56. Re: Is their a better way to accord formulating than the Jean Carles Method beyond using 2 materials

    you should acquaint yourself with the materials as deep as possible. use scent strips and make notes about aroma, longevity and strength. compare your EOs/ACs/etc and make notes about strength...
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    Re: Top note help for Jasmin green apple

    have you tried ethyl methyl 2 butyrate?
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    Re: How to Create an Accord?

    aromachemicals and essential oils should be handled equally to form the concentrate, that will be diluted after maturation to become your final product, e.g. a perfume.
    at the end, essential oils...
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    Re: Raw Materials Shelf life.

    the information given on tgsc site might be to be considered when you buy directly from the manufacturer. purchasing materials from resellers is a totally different story as you never know how long...
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    Re: How do you tincture body odors?

    for my last order (9 items á 25gr) i got charged $18,50 shipment to central europe. i don't know how they manage to keep the shipping rate so low, compared to other usa based suppliers.
  61. Re: Looking for known accord suggestions from my list of materials (Newbie)

    welcome to this forum!

    did you read this:
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/393147-Welcome-new-at-DIY-fragrance-members!-Read-this-first
    you'll find a discussion about the most important 100 ACs...
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    Re: beta terpinyl acetate CAS: 10198-23-9

    there are tons of awesome materials freely available. it simply depends on your skills to use them. learning skills means - out of my personal experience - getting to know the materials.

    whats...
  63. Re: Looking for non citrus topnote suggessions for a vetiver fragrance

    prenyl acetate is simply wonderful with ylang ylang, maybe hexyl acetate works for you, maybe even benzyl acetate. para cresyl methyl ether is great with ylang ylang, and very useful to compliment...
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    Re: How to clean sample bottles?

    very beautiful, but !!€€€!!

    i use those sometimes for finished perfumes...
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    Re: How to clean sample bottles?

    i wouldn't re-use plastic caps. cross contamination guaranteed. buy them in bulk size, its not so expensive and worth it.
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    Re: beta terpinyl acetate CAS: 10198-23-9

    see the single ingredients as building blocks, and you will start to see many castles raise the more you know your materials :)
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    Re: beta terpinyl acetate CAS: 10198-23-9

    well, sometimes it changes, sometimes its linear until fade out. but both characteristics can be precious when handled precise. without knowing your materials its impossible to create a formula that...
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    Re: beta terpinyl acetate CAS: 10198-23-9

    you get acquainted with your materials at your perfume working place: get test strips and a notebook (or do it digitally, as you prefer...). dip the test strip in the ingredient, write down date and...
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    Re: beta terpinyl acetate CAS: 10198-23-9

    hey there, just a short story:

    when i started, i spent hours and hours researching ingredients, and i was all the times so absolutely convinced that if i get this or that it will change...
  70. Thread: Making EDP

    by pavomi
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    Re: Making EDP

    hello gabriel0270, you should take some time and read this:

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/393147-Welcome-new-at-DIY-fragrance-members!-Read-this-first


    it will cover most of the questions...
  71. Thread: Making EDP

    by pavomi
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    Re: Making EDP

    what ingredients are you using? where did you purchase from?
    without this information its nearly impossible to provide advice.

    and, i cannot second the recommandation to add water for increasing...
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    Re: Very simple accords for newbies

    good! and now go on with the classic rose accord ingredients and add traces of eugenol or eugenol-related materials and see where it takes the accord :)
    when the accord is done to your likings,...
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    Re: Very simple accords for newbies

    i also want to recommend the book 'The Formulation and Preparation of Cosmetics, Fragrances and Flavors' by Louis Appell. its a fantastic resource for formulas.
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    Re: Very simple accords for newbies

    e.g.: very classic rose accord: phenyl ethyl alcohol + citronellol + geraniol. try to bring the first two in balance, and then start adding the third one. you'll learn a lot about your materials...
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    Re: Warm, dusty middle notes?

    i'd recommend palisandin. smells like dust on hot bulb to me. maybe a touch of musk R1. sorry, these are both basenotes...
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    Re: What should I keep, skip or get in this kit?

    if you are interested in 'fresh & clean' fragrances i'd definitely add celestolide, a very bright and sparkling musk. and further bright and very contemporary feeling basenote-additions could be...
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    Re: Amazed again, a Watermelon molecule...

    interesting!

    and btw: how do you determine the MW?
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    Re: Introducing myself + question about indole

    I recommend getting a sample from a different source to compare. (if you are willing to pay for the shipping costs (within EU, right?), i'd be happy to prepare a 10% dilution in DPG and send it to...
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    Re: Cloudy ingredients

    i know that juniper causes cloudiness, one has to chill filter the solution. all the others listed by you didn't cause anything like that in my experience so far.
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    Re: Introducing myself + question about indole

    i've never seen a solution of indole with that colour. did you already ask your supplier about the color?
    but most important: how does it smell?
  81. Re: Using/adding Iso-E Super to current production frags

    thats exactly my experience.

    my two cents: stay with layering (if its with iso e, ambroxan, hedione, musks etc), or get a perfume that is satisfying your expectations. adding materials to a...
  82. Re: Which Sandalwood base is closest in strength to natural Ssandalwood?

    did you try the base from Chris bartlett / pell wall, also sold at perfumersupplyhouse? thats a pretty strong one!
    and i'm curious about your own ones. mind to share some formula?
  83. Thread: Musk Mapping

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    Re: Musk Mapping

    :tekst-toppie:
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    Re: Marine seaweed scent

    its called choya nakh, and its aroma is heavy leathery mineral salty. a very outstanding EO that i love, but rarely use. i think you can get both at whitelotusaromatics.

    there have been quite a...
  85. Re: Hi guys. I'm looking to add some smoke (experiment) into some fragrances

    want to second parker25mv's advice of cypriol for a subtle smokiness.
  86. Thread: Orchid accord

    by pavomi
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    Re: Orchid accord

    some years ago i've been to an orchid exhibition, an extremely beautiful olfactive experience. the scents are as different as orchids look like :)
  87. Thread: Petitgrain

    by pavomi
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    Re: Petitgrain

    https://hermitageoils.com/product/petitgrain-bergamotier-essential-oil/
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    Re: symroxane: what do we know about it?

    if you can get it, then get it. it didn't say its the same, it just reminded me strongly on Oxyoctaline Formate. i'm still following both on blotters, symroxan got way softer, the strong green notes...
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    Re: symroxane: what do we know about it?

    smelling it right now, and i can understand what you mean with mushroomy aspects. my initial impression is conifer, green woody resinous and slightly earthy. the opening seems very bright. it's aroma...
  90. Thread: Accords vs base

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    Re: Accords vs base

    for my understanding, accords are notes, and bases are blends (that will most likley contain accords...) that imitate or interpret some preexisting (sometimes also fantasy) materials. eg. rose base,...
  91. Re: Help with ratios as I try to replicate this perfume

    as long as your EOs are not diluted in an oil base: yes it will work with ethanol.
  92. Thread: Musk Mapping

    by pavomi
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    Re: Musk Mapping

    thank you so much for sharing that julian! cheers to you!
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    Re: Is floral super(iff) worth trying?

    yes, sample it if you can. its an exceptionally bright and 'fresh' aldehydic note, flowery in direction of muguet with aspects of citrus. texture is contrasted, from metallic to dry slightly dusty...
  94. Re: Does this look like an okay Perfumer's Apprentice Order?

    i hope you don't perceive this advises as discouraging, as the opposite is meant. once again, please check out the 100 essentials for beginners, they will give a lot of satisfaction (and a solid base...
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    Re: Learning resources for a not-quite noob?

    reading the book 'Perfumery Principles And Practice' by Robert R. Calkin, J. Stephan Jellinek is a great way to get started. a version to download is available too, not really expensive. if i...
  96. Re: Does this look like an okay Perfumer's Apprentice Order?

    well, perfume making doesn't necessarily mean that you combine notes that you enjoy to smell. i think it means much more creating and enhancing the notes that you like and put them in a certain...
  97. Re: Cannabis Accord formula / recipe help / critique

    thank you!
  98. Re: Cannabis Accord formula / recipe help / critique

    may i ask where you purchased vetikol acetate in DIY amounts?

    (based on other threads you posted i suppose you are buying in small amounts. my excuses if i'm wrong!)
  99. Re: Am I using the wrong ethanol? (links provided)

    please, don't use rubbing ethanol for perfumery purposes. and mattmeleg, i recommend NOT to use bio fuel ethanol at all for on-skin-purposes. boy! ...
    if you can't get certified perfumery ethanol...
  100. Thread: Earthy notes

    by pavomi
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    Re: Earthy notes

    to the suggestions so far, i'd add ambrional 95 and indolearome.
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