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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Glad to hear that you have the correct variety, considering all the time and effort you have invested in the project.
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Mumsy, I'm hoping that you did request the Alpinia galanga version of Galangal, that being the variety that is commonly used in Thai cuisine. The name of Galangal is also applied to Kaempferia...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    I recall that when I first started seeing articles about Aromatherapy in P&F that the discussion was mainly focused on the idea of there being a new market to exploit for the sale of fragrance by the...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Manuel, would the formulation based on J.sambac that you are working on be intended as a women's fragrance, or would it be something that males, in the western world, would also be able to wear (in...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    Yes ProfessorBats, it seems that what was in the past regarded simply as Herbal Medicine has somehow been turned into Aromatherapy.
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    Well put Mumsy. It seems that in our current time, there are way too many people that feel the need to create a religion and philosophy around some activity or another where none at all is required....
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    ProfessorBats, I really was not attempting to dispute anything that was said by DrSmellThis, just mentioning that I can see problems developing in his expressing his views as I see once again the...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    Nizan, or are you referring to the idea that the English writers manage to convey their thoughts with so many less words? I wish I had that same talent.
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    I fear all this comes down to semantics, yet once again. The definition of "natural" varies extensively, depending on who is doing the defining of it so much so that it has become pretty well...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Reading your comment about how Tuberose is so different in concentrated vs. diluted form has motivated me to dig out my samples of Tuberose and dilute one of them to see how much an improvement is...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Having read so often about the odor of the Durian and the odor always described as basically, very unpleasant, I find Manuel's comment about the Malay varieties of Durian being "the most fragrant",...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    It does seem like a different thing from what is common as a source of starch in Hawaii by the select grouping of individuals who consume it. I have never seen or heard of it in HI. being used in any...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Nizan, I would guess that it is possible that you are familiar with some variety of Taro that is different than the varieties that are grown and consumed in Hawaii, and they are the only ones that I...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Mumsy's description of the use of Taro in Thailand sounds similar to its usage in the islands of the state of Hawaii, where it is a popular food staple amongst the ethnic Hawaiian folks born and...
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    I don't know who Christopher Brosius is (you know, us illiterate Americans)...but I believe that synesthesia also refers to the criss crossed neural circuity of the sorts that I made reference...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    Sorry to have had that one be so lengthy, as was a prior one of mine. I can sympathize with those who can not endure the thought of drudging through my more excessive literary expression, so I might...
  17. Just would like to mention Chris that I much...

    Just would like to mention Chris that I much enjoy your blog. You provide an awful lot of good useful information.
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    Interesting stuff. That some people can "see" sound, while others can hear "colors", I wonder if there are people who see or hear odors? Maybe Poucher was seeing them when he included the color chart...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    In response to your comments Mumsy about the use of naturals, I feel the need to add that I find it rather odd that there is held such a strong negative attitude by many modern perfumers when the...
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    I think Dave does cover all the major bases at one shot. I know Lemongrass, Galangal, Ginger, Basil, Coriander, and Coconut are probably standard menu ingredients for most any Thai curry dish....
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    BTW Mumsy, at least you had the advantage of knowing what FCO was, and having access to it. I first used Jojoba when I desired to not use DPG, nor Alcohol, at that time I had never even heard of FCO....
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    Yes Mumsy, it took me a while to understand that oils as the carrier dampen scent, and as well, keep it closer to the skin. I thought I was imagining things the first time I mixed a blend with Jojoba...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    Situations that took place with myself yesterday, in two different social settings, and relating to the effect that an error on my part regarding the amount of a personal blend that I put on in the...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    I was recently going through some things that I had blended six years ago, actually mainly for the sake of finding some bottles to empty, clean and reuse. While the majority of my "compositions" in...
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    Re: Can't find Poucher's book online

    Mumsy, I have checked Archive.org endless times for Poucher's books...seeing the link that you provided takes me to the book by Atkinson...with a book title similar to that of Poucher's series. Are...
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    Re: Can't find Poucher's book online

    I don't recall the date of production for my Volume 1 copy of the book, but I purchased it in 1986, and it was my introduction to the components of fragrance. After I sent the above post that I...
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    Re: Can't find Poucher's book online

    The version of Poucher's perfume books commonly available for download, Edition 10, does not include the first of the three volumes (The Raw Materials of Perfumery).

    I have searched all over for...
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    Re: Identity help, Please...

    Nice IPP that you thought to contact Kew...I had not the slightest thought of it being in the Tea family. Even without the species being determined with certainty, the identity is now much narrowed...
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    Re: Identity help, Please...

    I can see the similarity in the stamens and anthers in the Top Tropicals pic, but I think the Magnolias tend not to have the large clusters of flowers as shown in Paul's picture. Also, flowers of...
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    Re: Identity help, Please...

    I see you are right on Choisya being in the Rutaceae...I was mixing that up with Chorisia (a member of the Bombacaceae), my error. Paul's image does look similar to Choisya...shall be interesting to...
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    Re: Identity help, Please...

    Isn't Choisya in the Bombax family?
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    Re: Identity help, Please...

    To add some more Latin Nomenclature related confusion...there is also the genus Pittosporum, which contains a couple hundred species, and of which, some as well go under the name of "Mock Orange".
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    Re: Identity help, Please...

    IPP, Philadelphus is the genus, there are many species within the genus. Not to say that I know that the plant is definitely a mock orange. It does look to me though that it is a possibility. Mock...
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    Re: Identity help, Please...

    It might be some variety (ie. some species) of Mock Orange...one of various species of Philadelphus.

    Compare to Philadelphus coronarius:

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    Paul, you're referring to the fellow in Tempe, Arizona...the fellow who had an article about him and his nursery in The New York Times?

    I should give the URL, which is:
    ...
  36. Re: Simple way to make a heavily resinous scent?

    I don't know that I understand them properly... but I do get the feeling that DrSmellThis does understand them well enough, and by way of my limited experience, I can appreciate what he has to say in...
  37. Re: Out with it.. what is the worst blend you have ever made?

    I would have to add here that my worst would be variations on the theme of Eau de Turpentine.

    Nizan, Frankincense (Boswellia) probably would do just fine where you are. It is collected in Oman...
  38. Re: Simple way to make a heavily resinous scent?

    DrSmellThis, re-reading your post and your comments about how natural ingredients will ultimately dictate the outcome...I agree and find that if one is willing to accept this fact, that natural...
  39. Re: Can you mix synthetic ingredients with essential/natural oils ?

    If you do some searching through the threads in the DIY forum here, you should find a good amount of information regarding the mixing of naturals with synthetics. You will find actually that the...
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    Re: frankincense accords

    Sounds wonderful, like what I have been looking for. Thanks very much.
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    Re: frankincense accords

    Paul, I was looking at that product listing for the resinoid at Nemat yesterday...information in the front of their site indicates that they do not add any solvents extenders, etc. to any of their...
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    Re: frankincense accords

    Thanks very much for your reply and for providing the information that you have. Most helpful to me, especially in terms of my taking for granted that the Absolute, so called, that I have is actually...
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    Re: frankincense accords

    Looking at different sites, I find that Nemat offers a resinoid from India...I might give that a try.

    You are lucky to have access for purchasing so easily at a local shop.

    Renegade, on...
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    Re: frankincense accords

    Thank you for the information Ramute. I read things about New Directions that cause me some concern as regards to ordering from them, but maybe I should just take the chance and see how it goes. I am...
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    Re: frankincense accords

    Chris, you touched on a subject that has been on my mind of late, and for which I am still unable to find the precise answer to. But I know that your portable raw materials of perfume encyclopedia...
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    Nizan, where is the information that you refer to as available that provides the identification of the impurities in ACs?
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    Thanks Paul...I didn't intend to kick up such a storm. Poor composition on my part for the post as it was placed.
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    Nizan, it was the reply (other thread) to your comments about the difficulties you were having with your use of Indole that also had me feel a sense of deja vu about what I was thinking about the...
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    Or maybe I should have used the word "business" as opposed to "industry" (as I did use) in regards to the marketing of essential oils. Again, my oversight.
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    It wasn't my intention to direct criticism towrds the Ventos company. I did jumble together too many different themes in one post, and realize that it appears that I was directing my criticism...
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    Chris, maybe another way of saying it would be to just use whatever one feels comfortable with to use?
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    I suspect that we both think it...Just that you cannot say it, and I can, and that is only because you are involved in the development and growth of a business of selling products that rely on the...
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    I was quite amazed to read David's explanation (regarding Vetiveryl Acetate, in the thread on Velvione) that it is possible that some ACs are produced by simple treatment of a complex essential oil,...
  54. Re: Simple way to make a heavily resinous scent?

    Don't forget to try the inclusion of Labdanum Absolute, and instead of the Frankincense EO, try Frankincense Absolute, or the modified "Heart Note" EO of Frankincense (to reduce or avoid the...
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    Re: Applying labels

    True, there would have to be some sort of seemingly logical connection between your perfume product and anything included in the packaging as an add-on sort of thing. But taking advantage of being in...
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    Re: Applying labels

    Maybe the shells would work if you get your product into businesses that are directed to the tourist trade. Tourists on vacation love all sorts of goofy stuff to bring back home.
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    Mumsy, I have that same tendency as you describe with the tweaking and then again, more tweaking. As I inevitably destroy the batch I am modifying, and tend to experiment with small quantities and...
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    Re: Applying labels

    I think the label material that mine were printed on, along with the ink which was I think printed in some sort of fashion similar to silk screening for the sake of the color separation (though not...
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    Re: Applying labels

    Jennie, I know that you didn't quite exactly state directly in words that it was complicated, but you asked about how to place a circle on a square bottle.I kind of think that the answer would be...
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    Re: Applying labels

    DrSmellThis....do you have a laminate placed on your labels? I didn't actually cut my own, couldn't as they were an oval shape, and I had them color printed in batches of a thousand per variety. I...
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    Re: Applying labels

    You have to find something in the label as a reference for positioning. If the label is a circle, then the lettering itself could be looked at as a horizontal line, and that would have to be parallel...
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    Re: frankincense accords

    The Heart Note version of WLA can actually have a nice effect if used very carefully. It does not have the high end of lemon or any of the turpentine aspects of many of the Frankincense EO's, but it...
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    Re: Applying labels

    Probably more practice of the motions involved than you would like to have yourself involved in doing.

    Depending on bottle and label shapes, a stencil for location and orientation might be...
  64. Re: How to stop fooling around with a formula and leave it alone?

    I also have that tendency to try and add just a little bit of something or another to a formula that I feel is already quite nice, but, maybe could be better. But having in the past turned a good...
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    We get irony to an extent, but are not born with a genetic predisposition to being aware of it in any situation where it prevails as apparently is the case with you folks in England.
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    I understand that the Vetiver EO used in this product is a fractionated version, with various rough edges of the plain distilled Vetiver removed through the processing. It was my reading about this...
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    Didn't really initially, but considered the possibly, since my suggestion was not offered with the intent of it being taken too seriously and was as well pretty much nonsensical to begin with. And if...
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    David, I assume that you know I was being facetious. You know my posting style well enough by now to know that I am dead serious in my postings at least once in a while.

    Hi DrSmell...

    As to...
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    David, it would be the ultimate in artificial and synthetic scent technology. But have no worries, you won't be forced to go that route, you can always consider a conversion over to natural perfumery.
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    If their god is not listening, then It would appear that their god is a slacker. This is something I have suspected for quite some time now. Confirmation of the fact has now been provided.
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    David, Thanks for the clarification.

    DrSmellThis, You know the saying that applies to the sciences in general, that the more you know about something, the more you realize how little you really...
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    I was under the impression, mistaken apparently, that Vetiveryl Acetate was the ester produced from Vetiverol, which is first extracted from the oil. So what I read you to say is that the acetylation...
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    Thank you David...Later in the day today, thinking of what I had posted earlier, I had some good degree of concern that my comments above would have me return to a mess of arguments refuting my...
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    Re: Advice on containing aroma chemicals

    Thank you both Mumsy and David for explaining. I am familiar with the topic of variations in molecular structure of what is considered otherwise to be the same compound, well, as same as a left hand...
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    Very possibly so a lessor problem with the synthetics.

    But I have wonders about the whole "low note vs. middle vs. high note" theory. That (theory) obviously has its' application, and works to a...
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    A bit softer, smoother than the usual Vetiver. Better for some applications, less so for others (as with anything I assume). If you do come across it, let me know what you think.
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    DrSmell, I intended, but neglected, to make reference to an idea that you mention in an earlier post in this thread....I was fascinated by your music analogy as regards phase cancellation and its'...
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    Re: Advice on containing aroma chemicals

    Mumsy, your comments to me about your use of AC's for use as reference material encouraged me to go ahead and acquire one (Vetiveryl Acetate) for the sake of comparing it to rectified, or molecular...
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    Re: Help with cestrum accord

    I apparently used the incorrect term, but I was referring to the idea of larger molecules breaking down to smaller molecules. It has been quite some time since I took Organic Chemistry classes in...
  80. Re: Adding Vitamins C & E, glycerin, Polysorbate-20

    Jason, I believe the ethanol will act as a preservative (for inhibition of growth of many micro-organisms) to a good extent (depending on concentration of it that you use relative to quantity of...
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    Re: Making Myrrh More Palatable

    Very interesting to read both of the above posts. Thanks to each of you for the details...looks like I need to have some experience with using both Myrrh and Opoponax in blending. Seems to me that if...
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    Re: Making Myrrh More Palatable

    Paul, Myrrh is one I cannot figure out. I wonder if it is an acquired taste sort of thing. I read that it goes so well with this, that, and the next thing, yet I cannot appreciate any Myrrh that I...
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    Re: Velvione killing my vetiver

    DrSmell, your method of mixing two ingredients only to see how they interact sounds like a good practice, one I will start to incorporate myself. Thanks for the tip.

    I also love Vetiver....have...
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    Re: Orris Root CO2 solubility

    Waiting myself on some Patchouli 65%...the comments here now have me officially anxiously awaiting.
  85. Re: Adding Vitamins C & E, glycerin, Polysorbate-20

    There might be an advantage to the use of the addition of Glycerin for its sweetening flavor as I would guess that might help to overcome the bitter taste of the denaturants in the alcohol for those...
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    Re: Help with cestrum accord

    David, I was wondering if maybe phenolic compounds that were present would decompose to phenol, along with whatever else would result by way of the decomposition process. Is that possible?
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    Re: Materials Wishlist

    For all the people who are attempting to locate a material that smells like good Sandalwood, may I suggest trying Sandalwood (the real thing)? It may not be the same as Mysore of thirty years ago,...
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    Re: Spikenard - yikes!

    To my senses, Spikenard actually does smell like Valerian, but with a perfumey touch included in it...a little bit of a touch that is. I understand that Spikenard by itself was used as a "perfume" in...
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    Re: Help with cestrum accord

    David, I am getting the impression that the confusion in terminology, phenols vs. phenol, is much the situation here. As I mentioned briefly, phenols (ie. phenolic compounds, not phenol itself), are...
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    Re: Help with cestrum accord

    David, I have looked at the listings at the essentialoils.org site database for botanicals that contain the compound Phenol (not analogues, but "Phenol") and supposedly, it is contained in...
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    Re: Help with cestrum accord

    Nizan, I as well wish that I had a portable GC unit...would be great fun to sample all sorts of volatile things, in my case, I would be most interested in analyzing the headspace of endless tropical...
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    Re: Help with cestrum accord

    Thank you both Paul and Nizan for your replies to my inquiries. Prior to reading the posts here today, I was unaware that Phenol itself even occurred in biological nature (as a compound in itself...I...
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    Re: Help with cestrum accord

    I did search for Cestrum nocturnum in the CG database of essentialoils.org and do not find it listed, but going the reverse route, on a search for phenol, I do, to my surprise, find it present in...
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    Re: Help with cestrum accord

    Thanks Chris...Nizan, would you please provide a link to the GC that you refer to which indicates the presence of Phenol in the headspace of Cestrum nocturnum? I am curious about this one.
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    Re: Help with cestrum accord

    Paul, I know that there are many phenol analogues in nature, but the compound phenol itself is especially toxic. Do you use that frequently in perfume composition? I realize that you use it in a...
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    Re: Can you use too many naturals?

    Thank you very much Rasmuten. Your additional comments have helped me to better understand your first post. I see I need more practical experience with blending myself to see how much the sequence of...
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    Re: Can you use too many naturals?

    Rasmute, thanks much for your input here. Could you please explain which of the two procedures works out better for the blend overall (ie. olfactory character in addition to fixative quality), adding...
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    Re: Can you use too many naturals?

    IPP, I would assume that relative quantities have very much to do with the possibility of change of outcome as a result of change of order in which the various quantities of materials are added. Very...
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    Re: Can you use too many naturals?

    Yes Mumsy, there is a fair amount of redundancy in this thread...I think that will help for this thread to mature into a blend that is superior to the barebones thread without the redundancy.
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    Re: Can you use too many naturals?

    Nizan, That's how I understood what David was saying.
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