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  1. Re: Advice in recreating the scent of American hot dogs & the scent of sunflowers

    Often they're just listed as "spices" or "spice extracts", so you may need to look at quite a few brands before you find any that list the individual spices. Spices and spice extracts often have a...
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    Re: Adulterated Benzoin?

    I would recommend that you avoid using water. My point was that the precipitation may have been caused by water to begin with. Tell us which ingredients that you added which caused the benzoin to...
  3. Re: Advice in recreating the scent of American hot dogs & the scent of sunflowers

    Anytime. I've taken a look at the ingredients of a few hot dog brands and the spices/extracts common to some of them are as follows: celery (seed), ginger, garlic, coriander (seed), nutmeg, mace,...
  4. Re: Advice in recreating the scent of American hot dogs & the scent of sunflowers

    For the smoke flavour you could use a trace of rectified birch tar. For the onions you could use onion oil, but you'd also need something for the caramelised effect such as furans, furanones and...
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    Re: What kind of cederwood is it?

    Yes, I have two samples from different suppliers. The fruity note is more of a middle note and the spicy and woody notes are base notes. The latter two last quite a long time on a scent strip, at...
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    Re: What kind of cederwood is it?

    Anytime. Yes, it's botanical name is Thuja plicata. It is traditionally used by the Native Americans to make totem poles, among other things. It would be difficult not to like the smell of this wood,...
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    Re: What kind of cederwood is it?

    Western red cedar wood smells more spicy, like cumin and nutmeg. It also has a top to middle note like lime or pineapple, but that would probably have dissipated in an old wardrobe. The wood often...
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    Re: Adulterated Benzoin?

    You would have to tell us what these other materials were and whether or not any solvents had been used. If any contained an appreciable amount of water then yes, precipitation would be likely.
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    Re: Need your opinion on this supplier?

    This is an old thread. Only theom needs an answer, although his question is rather vague.
  10. Thread: Oak moss

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    Re: Oak moss

    It sounds like you've had a lot of fun experimenting. I noticed that you said "soaking and drying". You may want to try it the other way around – first drying and then humidifying (see below):


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    Re: Low cost illusions of oud

    Anytime, perfumum.

    Civettine is a Firmenich trademark, which most likely refers to Civettictis civetta (African civet) or Viverra civettina (Malabar civet). Civet essential oil isn't commercially...
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    Re: Low cost illusions of oud

    Indeed, Serg. Unfortunately, it's use is restricted to 0.01% by the IFRA. If that isn't enough for your needs then you can also use 2-methoxy-4-ethylphenol (4-ethyl guaiacol), which has no...
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    Re: Low cost illusions of oud

    There may be another reason why certain oud fragrances possess a sandalwood note. To quote a recent Firmenich patent:

    "Typical perfuming co-ingredients commonly used in perfumery base having an...
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    Re: Low cost illusions of oud

    The description for the former certainly mentions sandalwood. The description for the latter mentions blonde woods, which might suggest the presence of a sandalwood accord. It also mentions leather,...
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    Re: Low cost illusions of oud

    Ah, I've just remembered that in the EU the Product Information File for each cosmetic product must contain the following:

    "Data concerning the impurities and traces in the raw materials and/or in...
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    Re: Low cost illusions of oud

    Penta sell m-cresol and all of the xylenols. They also sell 3-ethyl phenol although they don't list it on their site.

    Sigma sell m-cresol, 2,3-, 2,5- and 2,6-xylenol. Their 2,3-xylenol is listed...
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    Re: Bubble Gum Fragrance

    Aldehyde C-20 smells exactly like the bubblegum that you used to get from the old slot machines outside the newsagents. Unfortunately, it's usually only used in the flavour industry so most fragrance...
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    Re: Low cost illusions of oud

    Perhaps we could encourage the suppliers that visit here to stock some xylenols. They're relatively inexpensive and they offer a degree of complexity that the monoalkylated phenols don't have. As I...
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    Re: Low cost illusions of oud

    Of the six isomers, 2,3-, 2,5- and 2,6-xylenol have by far the lowest odour thresholds. They would therefore probably give you the most bang for your buck. However, their thresholds are still around...
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    Re: Low cost illusions of oud

    Firmenich use 3-ethyl phenol and 3-propyl phenol in some of their oud bases/fragrances but they have patented their use, which may be why they are so expensive to buy (> $2400/kg). A cheaper...
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    Re: What scents describe a warm starry night?

    Ilija, just to add, if the fragrance isn't intended for the market place, then you can ignore any IFRA restrictions. Even some professional perfumers do but that's another story.
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    Re: What scents describe a warm starry night?

    Fair enough, but it is not necessarily about being new or innovative here. After all, the smell of a starry night is older than mankind itself. However, I understand your point and to clarify I am...
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    Re: What scents describe a warm starry night?

    For the "secure/safe" effect you could try using a Grojsman accord (Hedione, methyl ionone gamma, Iso E Super and Galaxolide). The Hedione will add a jasmine-like note and the Galaxolide has a...
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    Re: The smell of nutmeg absolute

    I haven't had the opportunity to try it but most suppliers list it as a middle/heart note. Several describe the odour as warm, woody, nutty, spicy and herbaceous. If that is in decreasing order, then...
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    Re: The smell of nutmeg absolute

    Parsley seed oil is particularly rich in myristicin. It may be worth blending it with nutmeg oil but it would largely depend on how herbaceous it smells.
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    Re: Adulterated Benzoin?

    Greetings adammaba. Indeed, benzoin is often adulterated. Try to avoid block benzoin, as it often contains dammar - an odourless resin. Block benzoin is also sometimes broken up into chunks before...
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    Re: Santalol - Robertet?

    Interesting, Parker. I'll certainly keep an eye out for that next year.
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    Re: recreating Japanese Cypress (Hinoki) ?

    Yes, aside from the smell of cloves, allspice berries do have a slight nuance of cinnamon (and nutmeg). However, it must be largely due to components other than cinnamaldehyde.

    Indeed, it wouldn't...
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    Re: recreating Japanese Cypress (Hinoki) ?

    They're both high in eugenol; neither contain cinnamaldehyde, except perhaps in traces. Perhaps you're thinking of the difference between cinnamon bark and leaf oil.
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    Re: "Drunk man" smell

    I'm assuming that this man wasn't so drunk that he pissed himself or threw up. Otherwise that's a whole different story, lol.

    If he was drinking at the pub/bar, then his clothes would have picked...
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    Re: recreating Japanese Cypress (Hinoki) ?

    Pimento is a synonym of allspice, but it's pretty easy to forget the finer details.

    Parchem sell a hinoki oil replacer which may be worth trying:
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    Re: recreating Japanese Cypress (Hinoki) ?

    I suspect that it's largely an issue of cost.
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    Re: recreating Japanese Cypress (Hinoki) ?

    Allspice doesn't contain cinnamaldehyde, except perhaps in traces. However, the analysis that I most recently looked at had a much lower eugenol content than normal. It therefore appeared that the...
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    Re: recreating Japanese Cypress (Hinoki) ?

    Hinoki wood oil is rich in cadinene, cadinol and muurolol. Allspice leaf (not berry) oil and pumilio pine needle oil are relatively rich in cadinene and cadinol, and Port Orford cedarwood oil is rich...
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    Re: recreating Japanese Cypress (Hinoki) ?

    I don't know if it will answer all of your questions but you may like to read the thread below. Scroll half way down for a more readable format:

    http://www.basenotes.net/huddlerarchive/376111
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  36. Thread: Beta ionone

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    Re: Beta ionone

    When there's more than one functional group involved, their positions relative to one another can have a bearing on the isomer designation. However, the position of the double bonds often bears no...
  37. Thread: Beta ionone

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    Re: Beta ionone

    As David suggested, the alpha, beta and gamma prefixes denote positional changes but not necessarily of the double bonds. For double bonds specifically, you need to study the full chemical names. I...
  38. Thread: Rose Fragrance

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    Re: Rose Fragrance

    Indeed, the quality can vary depending on the source. It was particularly useful before the isolation and synthesis of l-citronellol became more practical.
  39. Thread: Rose Fragrance

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    Re: Rose Fragrance

    Fair enough. It was worth mentioning, so that people can adjust the amount to suit their own needs.
  40. Thread: Rose Fragrance

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    Re: Rose Fragrance

    Indeed, alpha damascone is more apple-like. I can't quite recall the smell of delta, I've got it stashed away somewhere.

    Dorinia SA contains 2.5-5% beta damascone, but I think that 1-2% would more...
  41. Thread: Rose Fragrance

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    Re: Rose Fragrance

    The original formula contains 20% citronellol, 20% geraniol and 20% rhodinol. You've given 38% geraniol, so I'm assuming that this was based on the fact that rhodinol ex citronella usually contains...
  42. Thread: Rose Fragrance

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    Re: Rose Fragrance

    I doubt that it's anything personal, as he/she hasn't responded to anyone else's post.

    Adam, I agree, neither the damascones or damascenones smell much like rose on their own. Beta damascone...
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    Re: "Urinal deodorizer" oud for use in fragrance

    Synthetic oud has often been described as having a note reminiscent of band-aids. A band-aid note in wine and beer is often attributed to 4-ethyl phenol. The above patent mentions 3-ethyl phenol,...
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    Re: Nootkatone versus Orange Flower Ether

    Grapefruit oil contains aldehydes. Aside from nootkatone, the main contributors to the odor are aldehydes and sulphur-containing compounds. I'd recommend that you try the materials suggested before...
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    Re: "Urinal deodorizer" oud for use in fragrance

    1,4-paradichorobenzene was banned for use in cosmetics in the EU, in 2009. Roseaoud was launched in Europe, in 2011, so it couldn't contain 1,4-paradichorobenzene. It's likely that something similar...
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    Re: Nootkatone versus Orange Flower Ether

    Structurally speaking, decatone is very similar to nootkatone, and it possesses a grapefruit note. However, it also has notes of gardenia and rhubarb, which you may not be after. It's also quite...
  47. Thread: Orcinyl 3

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    Re: Orcinyl 3

    Perhaps PA read this thread. Diluting it to 10% will make it more affordable to buy for sampling purposes.
  48. Re: Flint and soil smell (How to obtain the mineral scents?)

    Good suggestions thus far.

    Mineral aspects in wine are often attributed to sulphur-containing compounds. Benzenemethanethiol (benzyl mercaptan), found in some wines, has been described as having...
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    Re: Woody like Cade ?

    Cade phenols smell smokey and medicinal, like cade really. I didn't realise that you were asking if I could do this for you. Unfortunately that's not the kind of service that I offer, I mainly work...
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    Re: Woody like Cade ?

    You can start with either but seeing as alkali washing doesn't remove the PAH, you'd want to use rectified in this instance. I used rectified myself.



    That would partly depend on whether you...
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    Re: Woody like Cade ?

    Hi Paul, I made it in the same way as the birch oil, below, although the ratio of lye to oil was slightly different:
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    Re: Woody like Cade ?

    Methyl guaiacol is another phenol that most likely exerts an effect in the dry down. For a darker version of pencil wood you can try using Nootka wood oil.
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    Re: Woody like Cade ?

    The darkness that you refer to may be from the heavier phenols such as ethyl guaiacol. Dephenolated cade oil smells very woody but not dark, so the heavier phenols most likely have a modifying affect...
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    Re: Timberol - EU supplier

    I haven't had the opportunity to try Norlimbanol/Timberol. Firmenich describe it as having a dry woody note in the patchouli direction. Would you say that this is more in terms of it having a similar...
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    Re: Woods - Norlimbanol / Timberol

    I haven't had the opportunity to try Norlimbanol/Timberol. Firmenich describe it as having a dry woody note in the patchouli direction. Would you say that this is more in terms of it having a similar...
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    Re: Alternative To Tobacco Oil

    You may like to read posts #2 and #4, below, for suggestions on a sweet tobacco accord:

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/421548-Sweet-pipe-tobacco-combination?p=3832305&highlight=#post3832305
  57. Re: Should I tincture, propolis, in alcohol or oil?

    Propolis contains primarily resins and waxes, the latter of which can cause clouding in perfumes. I would therefore recommend extracting it with alcohol, chilling at <0 C for 24-48 hours and then...
  58. Thread: Orcinyl 3

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    Re: Orcinyl 3

    You might want to ask Penta for a quote for 3,5-dimethoxytoluene. It's identical to Orcinyl in structure, except that the hydroxyl group has been replaced by a methoxy group. Some sources state that...
  59. Thread: Orcinyl 3

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    Re: Orcinyl 3

    Perhaps Givaudan patented it or the best means of manufacturing it and then licensed it to other companies. That would certainly explain the inflated price.

    Paul, they do that as a default for...
  60. Thread: Orcinyl 3

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    Re: Orcinyl 3

    Perhaps you could ask Penta for a quote (listed as 3-hydroxy-5-methoxytoluene) as it may be that Givaudan's Orcinyl has an inflated price. It shouldn't be too hard to manufacture; it's essentially...
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    Re: Birch Tar Question

    Judging by your pics, I'd say that you probably haven't used enough NaOH solution for the amount of phenols in the oil. This is one of the downsides to using a weak solution, it requires a lot to...
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    Re: Sweet pipe tobacco combination

    In case you missed it, Adam and I replied to your other tobacco related thread:

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/421548-Sweet-pipe-tobacco-combination
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    Re: Anyone making their own fragrances for soap?

    Try diluting it to 0.001-0.1%.
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    Re: Anyone making their own fragrances for soap?

    You may also like to try beta ionone, raspberry ketone methyl ether, strawberry furanone, strawberry furanone acetate and maltol. These are available as natural isolates, if that is still one of your...
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    Re: Percentage math question

    Thanks, David. I went to bed and zonked out shortly thereafter. I have to watch my diet but usually manage to keep it under control.
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    Re: Percentage math question

    Don't worry, it was just a joke. ;)
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    Re: Percentage math question

    The double post was rather ironic, don't you think? I'm hypoglycemic and just ate too much, now I'm feeling dizzy and close to passing out.
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    Re: Percentage math question

    double post
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    Re: Percentage math question

    Yes. Put the joint down bro! lol
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    Re: High Temperature (Colourless) Materials

    Thank you for taking the time to review each material, Renegade.



    Nicely put. One of the reasons for the difference is that unlike birch tar or cade oil, the extracts above are not...
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    Re: beta damascone versus beta damascenone

    Thanks for the generous offer, George, but I'm in the UK. Fortunately, I'll now be able to buy a sample from Graphite. Cheers!
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    Re: beta damascone versus beta damascenone

    George, sorry but I was asking if you had compared it to beta damascone, which has one less double bond than beta damascenone. Thanks.

    Pears
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    Re: beta damascone versus beta damascenone

    Thanks guys.

    George, I would imagine that Damascenone Total and Damascenone would smell very similar, as they only differ in their degree of purity. Have you had the opportunity to compare them...
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    beta damascone versus beta damascenone

    I have beta damascone but haven't as yet been able to source a sample of beta damascenone. Could someone please tell me how their odours compare? Goodscents describe the former as having a...
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    Re: Daily routines to keep the nose clear

    I certainly wouldn't recommend doing this as part of your daily routine, but on the odd occasion where you really can't afford to have a blocked nose, then you could consider using vasoconstrictors...
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    Re: Sweet pipe tobacco combination

    double post.
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    Re: Sweet pipe tobacco combination

    If you only wish to use natural materials, then you can use things like tobacco absolute, Liatrix absolute, immortelle absolute, styrax resinoid, labdanum resinoid, clove oil, clary sage oil and...
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    Re: Birch Tar Question

    Sodium hydroxide can be found in most hardware stores, in the drain cleaner section. It's sometimes sold under the name caustic soda or lye. Just make sure that it's the dry, undiluted form and at...
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    Re: Aldehyde C-20 (so-called)

    Thank you, David. It is, indeed, an isomer of C-16. The position of the methyl group appears to be responsible for most of the difference in aroma; for C-20, it's attached to the ring in the 4th...
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    Aldehyde C-20 (so-called)

    This one seems to be much more difficult to source in small amounts than the other so-called aldehydes. Time and again I find that suppliers list C-14 to C-18 but not C-20. Has anyone had the...
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    Re: The maximized wow-effect?

    Some excellent suggestions so far.



    One of the main differences would, of course, be years of training and/or experience. Mastering (or rather fine tuning or polishing) usually involves lot's...
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    Re: eucalyptus in perfumery

    In terms of fine fragrance, it is sometimes used in fougere accords, but typically in very small amounts.
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  83. Thread: China

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    Re: China

    If you just want a small sample for testing, then try the site below...

    http://www.alchemicabotanica.com/products/ai-ye

    I believe that they're based in ca, near your neck of the woods. If you...
  84. Thread: China

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    Re: China

    For the most, I would agree. Hong Kong would be one of the few exceptions (generally speaking), largely due to it's status as an autonomous territory. However, it would still pay to be cautious when...
  85. Thread: China

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    Re: China

    You're welcome, George. While you're at it, you might also want to check out...

    http://www.shiu-shing.com.hk/English/index.html

    Pears
  86. Thread: China

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    Re: China

    I don't know about aroma chemicals but for essential oils see below. Prices are in Hong Kong $.

    https://apagroup.com.hk/essential-oil/
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    Solid Storax (Styrax Calamita, etc.)

    Occasionally the subject of solid or classical storax comes up, so I thought that I should write a short piece for anyone who might be interested in the subject. I will first review the available...
  88. Re: Fixatives.... what are they and where to buy them? are they oils or something else?

    I'm sure that Burke would have made allowances if he had known your situation. You are welcome here anytime, Kellie. To get you started, I'd recommend that you read the sticky threads at the top of...
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    Re: Accord in Polo Green/Z-14/Italian Cypress

    Good stuff! You might also want to experiment with the oils of cypress (Cupressus sempervirens), basil, galbanum and armoise (Artemisia vulgaris). Samples of these can be bought from Eden Botanicals.
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    Re: Accord in Polo Green/Z-14/Italian Cypress

    The original Polo was one of my favourites, primarily because of the large dose of oakmoss that it contained. The original Halston Z-14 also contained a large dose of oakmoss, but from what I've read...
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    Re: Birch Tar Question

    NaOH is sodium hydroxide.

    I've taken a look at my old notes, and I washed the oil twice with distilled water. The reason being that it requires dramatically less water to remove the residual NaOH....
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    Re: Birch Tar Question

    Add the oil to a test tube, with a sufficient quantity of distilled water to encourage dispersal of the oil upon shaking. Secure the top, shake vigorously for a minute and leave to settle. If the...
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    Re: Anyone making their own fragrances for soap?

    Raspberry ketone is somewhat unusual in that it can be difficult to detect at higher concentrations. It also tends to perform better once added to a blend. I recommend that you read this:
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  94. Re: Styrax (Liquidambar orientalis) recommendations?

    By rarely, I mean that it is almost unheard of for it to produce any resin in Western Mediterranean and Israeli populations. One theory is that it needs a particular type of climate to produce resin;...
  95. Re: Styrax (Liquidambar orientalis) recommendations?

    I previously researched this issue, and it appears to be due to the fact that it rarely produces any resin. Someone has privately requested for more info, so I'll start a thread on the subject in the...
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    Re: Puzzled with ionones.

    In addition, alpha-isomethyl ionone smells more refined and less complex than the other two. It lacks much in the way of character by itself, but it has greater clarity than the others and can...
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    Re: Olfactory darkness and its ingredients

    I find Peru balsam to be much darker in aroma than Tolu balsam, but it may depend on the particular batch. Most of the Tolu balsam on the market these days is a reconstitution containing primarily...
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    Re: Anyone making their own fragrances for soap?

    Nice link, mintle. It is largely in accordance with my previous post, and he has a good understanding of the chemistry involved. I enjoyed reading your post. There are a good number of fragrance oils...
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    Re: Soap advice please... from animal products

    The spent fat from enfleurage was often used in soaps. However, the lye will often react with the aroma compounds present. If the fat has a strong scent, then you could preserve it by adding it...
  100. Re: Styrax (Liquidambar orientalis) recommendations?

    Genuine Styrax officinalis resin hasn't been available for over a century. If you'd like some clues as to what it smelt like, then let me know and I'll start a new thread on the subject, rather than...
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