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  1. Re: have you smelled the new Armani perfumes? do they have access to materials we don't have?

    For example:

    Armani Privé - Musc Shamal Giorgio Armani (2019) - with noreenal from V.Mane Fils (odor description: Aldehydic, mandarine, very powerful).
    Synthesis with a Rhodium catalyst and...
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    Re: That is IMPOSSIBLE ?!? Oakmoss gcms

    Methyl β-orcinolcarboxylate CAS 4707-47-5 is found in treemoss :
    http://doc.rero.ch/record/12241/files/Joulain_Daniel_-_Lichen_extracts_as_raw_materials_2_20090630.pdf

    and oakmoss...
  3. Re: When it says 'Vegetable Emulsifier' in the ingredients of a room spray- what does it usually mea

    A possible vegetable o/w emulsifier would be soybean lecithin e.g.
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    Re: That is IMPOSSIBLE ?!? Oakmoss gcms

    online: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/20644842.pdf

    And by reading you will notice that LC-MS would be a better choice.
    Otherwise, employing GC for VOCs in oakmoss/treemoss absolute, you have...
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    Re: Dry Leaves in the fall

    Somewhat herbal-peppery, where poivrol dont has the distinct herbal twist.
    Petasites is growing along creeks; has big leaves; the smell is released only during decay....
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    Re: Dry Leaves in the fall

    Last week, the brown leaves in the woods reminded me of some compounds like oak lactone, tabanone, even sotolone.
    At one place, I thought "...thats a bit like Terre d'Hermes..." and at another, its...
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    Re: Dry Leaves in the fall

    What kind of dry (yellow/red/brown) leaves do you have there?
    Here we have now chestnut, maple, linden, ... with a very nice wet sweet aromatic scent in the damascenone direction.
    And I believe...
  8. Thread: Captive

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    Re: Captive

    Patent search, e.g. Givaudan patent https://patents.google.com/patent/US6723313B2/en
    Pomarose = Example 2 (2E,5Z)-5,6,7-Trimethylocta-2,5-dien-4-one
    MS (EI): m/e (%)=41 (41) [C3H5], 55 (30) [C4H7],...
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    Re: Geranyl Isovalerate

    GC show mostly acetates used in fragrance.
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    Re: Geranyl Isovalerate

    Oxidation for shure? Esters are prone to hydrolysation. Small amounts of moisture will do this. And in the case of freed isovaleric acid (in this case) or butyric acid they are noticed because they...
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    Robertet Reconstitutions

    Hello, I am looking for reconstitutions from Robertet, http://matieres-premieres.robertet.com/category/reconstituions
    "RECOS are CHARABOT specialties, olfactive reconstitutions of the...
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    Re: Copycats... Again >:(

    What about the copies of Monet’s Water Lilies hanging on thousands of walls of homes of art lovers who cant afford the original work nor afford traveling to the museums?
    Bad copying is...
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    Re: Copycats... Again >:(

    Chinese kind of thinking with German label? https://eclat.de/
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    Re: Copycats... Again >:(

    Über Plagiate sollte man sich nicht ärgern. Sie sind wahrscheinlich die aufrichtigsten aller Komplimente. Theodor Fontane (1819-1898, dem würde auch Klaus-Theodor zu Guttenberg zustimmen. )
    ...
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    Re: Rhodinol - Geraniol and Citronellol

    Vigon sells two qualities, Rhodinol 70 and Rhodinol ex Geranium. The first has around 50/50 alpha-citronellol (rhodinol, 3,7-dimethyl-7-octen-1-ol) and (beta-) citronellol...
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    Re: Tiare accord

    US garden gardenia: http://www.tinkturenpresse.de/doku.php?id=gardenia_jasminoides_j.ellis

    Tahitian Gardenia Tiare: http://www.tinkturenpresse.de/doku.php?id=gardenia_taitensis_dc

    At first...
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    Re: GC/MS and GC-FID interpretation method?

    If we are talking about headspace analysis, dividing by the vapor pressure and adjusting by the nose as George Tedder said:
    Go to TGSC, look up Physical Properties: Vapor Pressure, make a...
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    Re: What makes the top note of patchouli oil?

    @mattmeleg: Terrasol is not very sweet, maybe like bornyl acetate, but more earthy, damp pine forest soil with fungus effect, very good to enhance patchouli top-notes.

    Patchouli headspace is...
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    Re: Cherry Accord - found it!

    Exactly.
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    Re: Cherry Accord - found it!

    Where can I sign?

    @mattmeleg: I have four kids. I recognize childlike behavior.
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    Re: citronellyl ethoxalate

    Nope, sorry.
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    Re: Fruity Rose

    Fruity rose : Magnolan?
    "Reminiscent of Magnolia, Peony, Geranium, Grapefruit with an indolic shade" http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1007991.html
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    Re: Accidental CDG 2Man

    „However, recently, a perception has grown concerning environmental issues related to bioaccumulation and biodegradability, which has led KARANAL® to be classified as a Substance of Very High Concern...
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    Re: beta terpinyl acetate CAS: 10198-23-9

    BOC http://www.bocsci.com/1-methyl-4-1-methylvinyl-cyclohexyl-acetate-cas-10198-23-9-item-80929.html
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    Re: Aventus musks

    If Creed would be a IFF custom, their maritima could be a candidate for that wet fur / wet dog note.
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    Re: chemical identification help please

    possibly "Tolyl Alcohol Crystals" ? mp.61-62°C http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1051051.html
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    Re: cassis base VS cassis base

    What said Rebekka?
  28. Re: I need a Fruitchouli type perfume GC to study

    Mugler 'Aura' EdP?
  29. Thread: Ambroxan

    by giftmischer
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    Re: Ambroxan

    "This is where in 'Sauvage' a leather accord joins in, so that they could later do a leather version, and then 'Sauvage' dries down ambery-musky, with Ambroxan, and a musk fond that sadly is quite...
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    Re: What is the woodiest smelling wood?

    A real nice wood smell is also 'Agarwood Fireco'.
    From e.g. Liaison Carbone, http://liaison-carbone.com/en/produkte/agarwood-fireco-969353/
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    Re: Frankincense Notes

    Still captive, since 1994. Firmenich patent https://patents.google.com/patent/US5696075A/en
    „It develops a woody-sandalwood type odor note, slightly aldehydic, which is more reminiscent of the...
  32. Thread: Acrylate

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    Re: Acrylate

    Maybe helpful: "Characterization of Odorous and Potentially Harmful Substances in Artists' Acrylic Paint" https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2018.00350/full
    ...
  33. Thread: snapdragon

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    Re: snapdragon

    Some notes about snapdragon flower scent with links to original papers: http://tinkturenpresse.de/doku.php?id=antirrhinum_majus_l
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    Re: Another Amazing Motherload

    Well, no. This one is heady. Some others too. Once in a while there is a discussion if these flower scents of ‚Angel trumpets’ are toxic because the plants contain toxic alkaloids, but this is not...
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    Re: Another Amazing Motherload

    Amazing!
    Unambiguously 'Roman Kaiser-level'.

    Interesting to compare with Brugmansia suaveolens = Datura suaveolens flower headspace data referenced in ...
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    Re: Identifying Captives from GCMS

    2-Methyl-2-[2-(2,6,6-trimethylcyclohex-2-enyl)ethyl][1,3]dioxolane is the ethylenglykol ketal of dihydro alpha ionone (I never heard of as a captive).

    One finds only the similar ethylenglykol...
  37. Re: What's that sparkling- mineral note in Terre d Hermes...

    The analysis of a EdT sample here shows only one amber material, ambroxan ~0.03%.
    There is one unknown compound (~0.2%) MW 234 with RI DB-5 1723 and DB-WAX 2130, which could be the captive...
  38. Re: Recreating Dior Eau Savauge, any starting ideas? (Or Bleu de Chanel)

    Thanks, ajsanch, very gracious.

    (@julian35: Looking at GCMS analysis, I find it very difficult to get citrus oil proportions...)
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    Re: Main oils in Paco Rabanne One Million?

    Yes, 'Pomarose' is the name of the commercial product and the isomer, 'clean' pomarose (and main isomer) would be (2E,5Z)-5,6,7-trimethyl-2,5-octadien-4-one. But the commercial product and solution...
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    Re: Main oils in Paco Rabanne One Million?

    wtf
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    Re: Identifying Captives from GCMS

    All I see here is a arbitrary mixture of weired compounds. Captives? Rather not.
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    Re: Main oils in Paco Rabanne One Million?

    Givaudan patent US7393822B2 (2002) https://patents.google.com/patent/US7393822B2/en
    Serenolide MS... EXAMPLE 2 Cyclopropanecarboxylic acid...
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    Re: Tips for Making Schiff Base Indolene

    For indole:hydroxycitronellal 2:1 (CAS 67801-36-9) TGSC has the wrong formula; you may see the real one mentioned in an article of Mat Yudov,...
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    Re: Tips for Making Schiff Base Indolene

    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/picmol/67860-00-8.jpg

    Well I see 2 parts indole on 1 part hydroxycitronellal, as pkiler said...

    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1612471.html
  45. Re: Rain - The Chemical Compounds Behind The Smell Of Rain

    Creosote GC: "Volatile organic compound emissions from Larrea tridentata" :
    https://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/10/12191/2010/acp-10-12191-2010.pdf

    Difficult to say which compounds make the greatest...
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    Re: Manuka oil as perfume ingredient

    The biggest part of Manuka oil as the essential oil produced by steam distillation of the leaves (with twigs) are sesquiterpenes, but there is also a chemotype high in alpha-pinene. (see also...
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    Re: GCMS Cuban cigars?

    would defenitly try this
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    Re: Pink grapefruit VS. other?

    Hm, citrus-grapefruit= nootkatone+grapefruit mercaptane, fruity-grapefruit= neryl acetate+geranyl acetate?
    Synaesthetically, when I am thinking of pink I think raspberry ketone.
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    Re: Pink grapefruit VS. other?

    Grapefruit mercaptane is a naturally occouring character (with 4MMP) trace compound of grapefruit, lost on distillation of the oil (not present in GCMS like nootkatone, only GCO).
    But you can get...
  50. Re: Need help for interpreting GC/MS data of sandalwood

    Excuse me, you dont got me: Thinking it from the M+ is the wrong direction. GCMS is GC (RI) and MS (M+, pattern). Using only M+ is wildly guessing.
    You know, if its sold as Santalum album oil and...
  51. Re: Need help for interpreting GC/MS data of sandalwood

    Without RI and MS pattern its only wildly guessing. Sandalore has 210, caryophyllene oxide 220 and iso E 234, but ...

    [edit] also in sandalwood direction: cedroxyde 220
  52. Re: Need help for interpreting GC/MS data of sandalwood

    There are hundreds of compounds with the M+ you wrote, the pattern is needed. For a typical Indian Sandalwood (Santalum album) oil GC you can have a look here,...
  53. Re: Options for muguet / lily of the valley, how to choose?

    Is there anybody having experience with Takasago's muguet compounds biocyclamol (L-dihydrofarnesol) and biomuguet (L-dihydrofarnesal) ?
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    Re: Powdery note in Prada L'Homme

    http://www.prodasynth.com/index.php/en/producto/503/ALPHA-IRONE
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    Re: Linden blossom/ Lime flower

    There is an example composition "... perfuming composition, of the linden type..." in Firmenich patent EP 1 529 770 B1 regarding 3-(4,4-dimethyl-1-cyclohexen-1-yl)propanal, this is the captive ...
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    Re: what aromachemical for fennel?

    Fennel seeds have mainly anethol + some fenchone + alittle estragole. May be modified by very small amounts of anisaldehyde (sweet), phellandrene (herbal) and 1-octen-3-ol (earthy). Fenchone is the...
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    Re: it's the same molecule!?

    http://www.phytochemia.com/en/2017/11/01/toluene-in-essential-oils/

    Before splitting some more hairs regarding your exposure to real life threats from chemicals acting as poisons and carcinogens. ...
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    Re: Cherry blossom accord?

    https://blog.nomaterra.com/blog/ingredient-spotlight/ingredient-spotlight-cherry-blossom-is-washingtons-prized-tree-scentless/
  59. Thread: ambre 83

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    Re: ambre 83

    Yes, with the nitromusks, but instead with romandolide 30% (fluid) and ambrettolide 7% (fluid)?
    Otherwise I would add some IPM or Hercolyn D in place of stearine?
  60. Thread: ambre 83

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    Re: ambre 83

    And the connection is (-)-ambrox present in Labdanum and ambergris.
  61. Thread: ambre 83

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    Re: ambre 83

    As the new De Laire base is made by symrise, I think they use their own listed musks, no musk ketone or musk xylene.

    Or try this formula:...
  62. Re: What musks, woody ambers are in Alien by Mugler?

    Deleted.
  63. Re: What musks, woody ambers are in Alien by Mugler?

    Steep thesis me thinks.
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    Re: Iris absolute?

    2000$/kg? https://www.vigon.com/product/irone-alpha/
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    Re: Possible DeLaire Bases

    Regarding De Laire bases and captives: Today I stumbled upon a symrise patent from 2015 regading new alicyclic musks, chain-extended helvetolide etc... and now I'm wondering which captives symrise...
  66. Re: Headspace (and some mini-analysis of Tauer - L'air du desert Marocain)

    Seems he (Andy Tauer) likes Flavex CO2 extracts... http://tauerperfumes.com/blog/2018/01/17/vanilla-planifolia-shortage/
  67. Re: Adding sandalwood oil to modern Égoïste?

    I think they mean Loyalty Islands Sandalwood, Santalum austrocaledonicum var. glabrum (Santalaceae).
    See here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4611752/
    You wont get it, its different....
  68. Thread: MS DB gap

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    Re: MS DB gap

    No GC-O, thats why "most likely" a musk (no benzoid ions, no long-chain molecule small ion "garden-fence").
  69. Thread: MS DB gap

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    Re: MS DB gap

    It's new.
    Versalide's base peak is 243.

    This: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/226425
    - looks like a side-product of tonalide synthesis.
    But there is no tonalide present in the...
  70. Thread: MS DB gap

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    MS DB gap

    Hello,

    maybe someone could give me a hint...

    I'm looking for a non-Galaxolide MW 258 musk (most likely):
    DB-5 1802, DB-WAX 2180, [m/z 229, 199(19), 230(16), 243(6), 258(6)] ??

    Obviously an...
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    citronellyl ethoxalate

    citronellyl ethoxalate or ethyl citronellyl oxalate

    TGSC Odor Description: sweet lily muguet rose aldehydic lychee waxy // sweet floral musky

    This is a musk note, someone with experience with...
  72. Thread: Esterly

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    Re: Esterly

    Yes. And Sultanene is structurally the Givescone/Firescone direction...
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    Re: Baraonda by Nasomatto

    P.Kraft made a vivsection of this "scent" on his facebook and twitter account "Scent and Chemistry" with this picture:

    80655
  74. Thread: Esterly

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    Re: Esterly

    Now I'm curious. Esterly™ a Schiff base with apple-strawberry notes? And "nature-identical"...
  75. Thread: Esterly

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    Re: Esterly

    Nympheal a Schiff base?
    https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160108342

    Well, no.
  76. Re: Dragoco report 1/1982 the novice and his perfume palette roudnitska

    Yes. After you had a sniff, it is useless until you have to wash the dirty grease off your bicycle chain...
  77. Re: Dragoco report 1/1982 the novice and his perfume palette roudnitska

    Dipentene is the racemate of D-limonene (fatty-citric) and L-limonene (fatty-pine).
    Dipentene smells most solvent-like of these three.

    (The description in the german wikipedia...
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    Re: Sample vials

    http://www.hekserij.nl/Parfum_en_Geur/Parfumflessen/Miniverstuiver_helder_2_ml.aspx
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    Re: Tobacco Extract

    Understood. Completely right.
    And certainly that commercial tobacco is covered in a boatload of whatever.
    (Leffingwell book: http://www.leffingwell.com/download/TobaccoFlavorBook.pdf)
    I am sure...
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    Re: Tobacco Extract

    Regarding "Never heard of nicotine free leaves... " : It is possible and easy to remove nicotine from tobacco with supercritical CO2 and preserving aroma.
    Patent US4153063A

    "A particular...
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    Re: What is the woodiest smelling wood?

    Woodcut?

    "Fractional distillations of pine and cedar, oakwood absolute, tolu balsam, olibanum, caramel, burnt sugar, vanilla."
    https://orchidscents.com/?product=woodcut
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    Re: Sweeter citrus / musk help

    What about adding some (more) hedione?
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    Re: What did i smell ?

    Nearby there is a point on a small river where a water treatment plant has its outlet.
    There one may discover a faint and very nice smell ... of water vapor with the non-degradable remnants of our...
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    Re: is anyone use Indian company?

    Kewra flowers have a sweet, perfumed odour with a pleasant quality similar to rose flowers, but more fruity.
    This leads to the problem that the oil may be diluted easily with cheap phenylethanol...
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    Re: Create similar to Dior Homme Intense

    DH has (in the fragrance oil part) delta damascone 0.1%,orris absolute (0.25%), oilibanum oil 0.5%, myrrh oil 0.5%.
  86. Re: Clouding (solubility?) issues with juniper berry fragrance

    Sounds like the same problem Erik Kormann had developing „Abrakabarber“, which is heavy on juniper.
    He had to reduce juniper berry oil and employed lime, pink pepper and olibanum CO2.
    The product...
  87. Re: Creating a tobacco fragrance that smells like a freshly openend, unlit pack of smokes?

    The scent is naturally (!) from megastimatrienones like tabanone, ionone and derivaties, damascenone and damascone, and sclareolide.

    Cancer is from particulates and tar.
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    Re: Viridiflorol

    Is this synthetic or ex EO?
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    Re: Hello and Online shops with oils

    Well, http://www.hekserij.nl is really a good start.
    Also Chris at pellwall.com you may trust.

    In Germany, all oils coming with a "PZN" number (meaning they are sold in pharmacies) are...
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    Re: Hello and Online shops with oils

    https://www.tradeessentialoils.co.uk

    Essential Oils 100% Pure: Vanilla Extract Essential Oil.
    Blend of natural & nature identical ingredients in propylene glycol
    5ml £0.65

    ***

    Pellwall ...
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    Re: Chemical name

    This 0 should be an O, so O,2-dimethylbutyraldehyde oxime, the methyl oxime ether of 2-methylbutyraldehyde.
    So I think CAS 15813-85-1 is what you are looking for...
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    Re: A long lasting lavender oil ?

    Have not said its easy and have not said the P&G product contains natural lavender oil.
    Lavender oil could be microencapsulated by coacervation with gelatin and gum arabic....
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    Re: A long lasting lavender oil ?

    If you want to have an idea about something like "Lenor Unstoppables" is made, you might search for "procter gamble sustained release scent fabric" or so on scholar.google.com and take a look at...
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    Re: Cedar note.

    Maybe the Philosykos fragrance note "White Cedar" refers to the thujonic green odor of the leaves of white cedar (Thuja occidentalis).
    The steam distilled essential oil of the fresh leaves and...
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    Re: Truffle middle note

    Or 2,4,6-trithiaheptane (http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1454701.html, character impact compound of white truffles http://www.leffingwell.com/50%20Years%20of%20Flavor%20Chemistry.pps,...
  96. Thread: Nebulone

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    Re: Nebulone

    Done that right now, thanks!
  97. Thread: Nebulone

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    Re: Nebulone

    Regarding nebulone, there was an interesting article at fragrantica, https://www.fragrantica.com/news/Where-Does-Cashmere-Wood-Grow--8308.html
    mentioning also two newer cashmeran-like molecules: A...
  98. Re: Sea Salt obsessed Newbie needs help adding chemicals to the essentials, creating a recipe

    Mabe you want to have a look at this entry about Scent and Chemistry's Eau de Bryne:
    https://www.facebook.com/263202847040070/photos/a.276220969071591.82834.263202847040070/778945858799097/
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    Re: Natural plum accord

    I would second Clare30 thoughts that just opened raw plums smell of greeness (hexanol, cis 3-hexenol, hexanal, trans 2-hexenal) with fleshy sweetness (γ-decalactone and fruit esters). The eight...
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    Re: Cardamon Vanilla gourmand perfume

    There is a beautiful cardamom base from Firmenich, available from liaison carbone, https://liaison-carbone.com/produkte/cardamome-184030-f/

    But maybe you simply need more (ethyl) maltol ...
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