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  1. Re: PONK module 4 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Just got my Ponk #4 via Canada Post today -- way out in the colonies. Impressions follow:

    PONK 4

    1. Minty, fresh, ozonic, slightly animalic, Clary Sage?

    2. Sight vanilla but not really....
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    Re: Samples of perfume ingredients from my website

    Wow. I'm impressed. Well, I don't think my answer will be upvoted, but I do hope you try my idea of making a list of the 10 most exquisite smells in nature that CANNOT be captured, or at least not...
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    Re: Samples of perfume ingredients from my website

    So Jamie is Listverse.com your company? Or do you just work there? It's a great site.
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    Re: Can't smell musk

    One tip for smelling musks that works for me is this. Try smelling in your usual way. Then go outside. I am amazed sometimes after a smelling session, when I cannot smell a particular aroma molecule,...
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    Re: The Ultimate Amber game

    I'm also probably not going to send samples. The stuff I made is OK as a functional fragrance in shampoo. It's actually really nice. However, just on skin it's not that great. I have been meaning to...
  6. Re: Learning how to destill and make fragrances - Arab countries, India. Where to go?

    I would take a first year organic chemistry course at a university or junior college or whatever they call it in your country. There are a lot of things to know. It's not simple.
  7. Re: Spoiler alert - Ponk club Module 2 - reveal + GC results - so don't look or mention it elsewhere

    Mumsy, this is all extremely useful. Thanks for posting all this data. When you are feeling a bit better, I wonder if you could reorganize your summary chart in order of concentration levels. E.g....
  8. Re: Building a fragrance from mostly high quality naturals, but also a bit of synthetics.Is it possi

    To Desmond: everything that jfrater says is exactly correct. I also agree with him about Eden Botanicals. Some of my best naturals come from Eden. Also agree with his comments about Hermitage.
    ...
  9. Re: PONK Module 2 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post1)

    OK. Here are my observations for Ponk 2. These are just guesses and I did not look at the reveal.

    Is the theme here "Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme (with some mint)?"

    1. Foot baths at the...
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    Re: The Ultimate Amber game

    I may play as well. I have a rough start going and I love amber fragrances.
  11. Re: PONK Module 2 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post1)

    When are we allowed to talk about these? I feel like I've been sent out into a herb garden.
  12. Re: Vanilla absolute or oleoresin? Does not disolve

    I was trying for 10% dilution. And the Hermitage "Vanilla Absolute" seemed quite insoluble.
  13. Re: My very first order - Ingredients list. Please tell me what you think

    This is an interesting list of first ingredients and you will definitely have fun.
    Some of the items look like mixtures such as "green apple" and "amber sweetie" so be careful with those, since you...
  14. Re: Vanilla absolute or oleoresin? Does not disolve

    I'd be interested to know where you got your "absolute" from. I had the exactly similar experience with so-called Vanilla Absolute from Hermitage essential oils in UK. They were very helpful and sent...
  15. Re: Spoiler alert - Ponk club January Module 1 - Reveal - so don't look or mention it elsewhere

    Hope it's OK to post this here because this is a magnificent teaching moment. Many of the participants commented on the similarity between samples 1, 2 and 3. Well look at the chemistry. Here are the...
  16. Re: PONK - January blind sniff... odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    From the "Lost Canadian", now found.

    First thing: the box. The box is simply amazing Mumsy. Why isn't this a standard form of packaging available for shipping smells everywhere? Maybe it should be...
  17. Re: PONK - A 'nose' club - Blind nose training amongst ourselves. Anyone interested?

    If I'm the only hold-out, then I say, go ahead and reveal. I'll just wait patiently and I'm not peeking at the rest of this thread until Ponk 1 shows up.

    Please. Don't hold things up just because...
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    Re: Can Hedione go 'off'?

    To me, hedione has always had a cloying and annoying smell and after the first few times I have avoided using it in compositions. It always amazes me that hedione is used in such great quantities in...
  19. Re: A question regarding the use of isopropyl myristate in perfumers alcohol

    Based on the description you have provided this kind of alcohol is in some ways MORE than what you need. You do not need "anhydrous" ethanol for perfumery. Anhydrous means that the water has been...
  20. Re: PONK - A 'nose' club - Blind nose training amongst ourselves. Anyone interested?

    1. Whose face is that?
    2. At some point can you list the six (or more) participants or is that meant to be a secret?
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    Long-lasting rose perfume by Nostradamus

    Many people here ask for long lasting natural perfumes. While researching something else, I came across a recipe first published by none other than Nostradamus (1503-1566). Though known mainly for...
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    Re: Question about labdanum

    I just contacted Matt Turner in New Zealand and he said it was OK to put his contact info here. Matt is in New Zealand so maybe it's the same person Filipsson is talking about. Two years ago I bought...
  23. Re: PONK - A 'nose' club - Blind nose training amongst ourselves. Anyone interested?

    Hi Mumsy. Please include me, from Vancouver, Canada. I have quite a lot of things to share. Not sure how it will work for shipping, postage, packaging, etc. But perhaps you have this all worked out.
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    Re: Birch Tar Challenge

    A good real natural ambergris tincture would go well with the birch tar. Or probably any of the ambergris AC molecules such as grisalva or fixateur 505, ambroxan, etc.
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    Re: Looking for perfume makers

    You have to decide what role are you playing. Are you going to be a wholesale supplier of starting materials for professional perfumers? Or are you going to start your own perfume business in Canada...
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    Re: Looking for perfume makers

    If you spend more time on this forum, and especially if you read the entire sticky thread at the top of this page, you will learn that IT IS NOT EASY TO MAKE PERFUME. It takes many years to learn...
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    Re: Looking for perfume makers

    Hello from Vancouver. Please elaborate.
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    Re: DIY perfume kit Christmas present

    Thanks to everyone. Both Olfactik and Plush Folly look good. This has been very helpful.
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    Re: Adding fragrance to off-the-shelf shampoo

    I have been fooling around adding essential oils and aroma chemicals to fragrance-free shampoo base for a couple of years. I never make more than 10ml at a time because so many times the fragrance...
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    DIY perfume kit Christmas present

    I was thinking of giving a 13-year-old living in London, England a gift of a starter perfumery kit at Christmas time. It can cost between £60 - £100. ($100 - 150). Ideally the kit should have...
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    Re: How do you chose your amber molecules?

    To me, Amberketal has a component to it's fragrance that reminds me of underarm odour so it's not that appealing. My wife does not like it either. I certainly agree with everything the others say...
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    Re: Single Best Naturals

    As I read your list (which is great---thanks very much!) I kept thinking, "... compared to what?" For instance, you said you liked Profumo's Calabrian Bergamot. I have some, and I agree, but I also...
  33. Re: Apologies in advance…Rose Essential Oil question

    It's so wonderful to share in your enjoyment of these aromatic discoveries TonioKroger. Did you get the rose Maroc and rose otto at Enfleurage? Trygve is supposed to be very good at sourcing...
  34. Thread: Farnesol

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    Re: Farnesol

    I have been wanting to buy some farnesol for years, but can't find it for sale in small quantities anywhere. For some reason places like Perfumer's Apprentice don't carry it. Nor do "natural" supply...
  35. Re: Apologies in advance…Rose Essential Oil question

    Given your statement that the smell you love is gone in 2:00 minutes, a VERY short time indeed, I would almost certainly agree with your idea quoted above. You can try all the various fixation...
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    Re: Question for the Experienced Perfumers

    This was Clay's actual question. The answer is: it depends. One way to look at it is to picture fragrance materials as crayons in a box. When Picasso even as a child was given a box of just 12...
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    Re: Benzyl Salicylate Question

    I can smell Benzyl Salicylate quite clearly. Azalea is first thing I get. We have a type of Azalea here in the Pacific Northwest that blooms early in the Spring. Bright yellow fragrant flowers come...
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    Re: Safety of essential oils - natural perfumery

    Dear Scriabin: You made a mistake in your calculations. You cannot manipulate percentages like that. If it says 0.8%, then it means 0.8% of the total volume, no matter what the volume. Hence, if you...
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    Re: Small scale mixing

    For what it's worth, I employ the exact same process as mnaonbn. I never plan to sell my products, but only to make them as a hobby for family and friends, so this method works adequately for me. All...
  40. Re: The Height Of Cultivation Always Runs Back To Simplicity

    About 4 years ago Swiss perfumer Andy Tauer (who used to be an amateur like us) released a series of fragrances that he called "pentachords". The idea was to make perfumes with the fewest...
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    Something about linalool by Philip Kraft

    Philip Kraft posts regularly on his Facebook page with amazing information about modern perfumes, but today he has published a series of postings on linalool that is just amazing. All his posts...
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    Re: E.O. Distilling at Home

    A couple years ago I used a similar apparatus of glassware as shown in your "something like this" link above to steam distill real frankincense tears that someone sent to me from Somalia. It made...
  43. Thread: Truffles

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    Re: Truffles

    To tensor9: thanks for the chemistry lesson. I loved it.
  44. Re: Need your Opinion- Should I Offer Robertet Naturals for Presale Perfumer Supply House

    I would definitely be interested in ordering a 1-2g (each) sample set of all the Robertet stuff you can get.
  45. Re: Ceramic top of a heated stirrer that I'd like cleaner

    I resent your comments Bill.
    Paul should read up on DMSO before using it. That's all I'm saying. And there's no question that NaOH is safer. At least it doesn't dissolve rubber gloves.
  46. Re: Ceramic top of a heated stirrer that I'd like cleaner

    Read up on DMSO and wear protective clothing. Heed the warnings of others. It dissolves most any substance and carries it directly into your body through skin. It's a drug delivery method....
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    Re: A Message To Our Community

    As a guy who once ran GCs as a chemist (many years ago when the equipment was not as good as it is today) I know that it's not at all easy to interpret a GC/MS. Also, many times on this forum...
  48. Re: Proposed Live Chat - Response Requested - Choice of Day & Items to Evaluate

    Feb 21 is better for me. I'm not sure if I want to order another set so soon though. But if you had a bunch of Robertet things I might be interested.
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    Regarding Mastic, and in response to Nicok...

    In fact the Mastiha Shop in Greece has an online site, with English, and it appears you can order from them. However I was not able to figure out if...
  50. Re: Understanding aldehydes... can anyone explain a bit please?

    The only suggestion I can add for Dimitri is to try smelling at 0.1% and even 0.01%. I find these aldehydes to be some of the most powerful of all the materials I have and I can only comfortably deal...
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    Re: Disgusted by IFRA perfume regulations

    Bill, you make a valid point. I agree.
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    Re: Disgusted by IFRA perfume regulations

    This is a great discussion. BTW: I love David Ruskin's posts as well. I'll just add the classic point that has not yet been made in the discussion...

    Could the whole "IFRA recommended" list be...
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    Re: Where to get perfumers alcohol online

    Those prices are very high. CA$64 for 1.14 litre. This is because the price includes a huge liquor tax since this alcohol is drinkable. The organicalcohol.com prices are also very high. A better...
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    Re: Where to get perfumers alcohol online

    This topic (where to find good pure 95% ethanol for perfumery) comes up regularly and we should have a proper sticky posting for it right near the top of the stickies next to "Primer on how to make...
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    Re: Google Hangout Saturday Jan 17?

    Just noticed this. Now that it is postponed for a week maybe I have time to get the kit mentioned in the first post. How exactly do we get this kit of 10 samples? There's no link to it, or any...
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    To Nicok as well:

    I got some mastic when I was in Greece a couple years ago. I have a small bag of resin nuggets. I find that these dissolve readily in 95% ethanol. However, when you put it on...
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    Re: Primer on How to Make Perfume (Version 1.0)

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    Re: Newbie needs your expert advice please :)

    What's the exact source of your two components? i.e. where did you get the "Perfumer's Alcohol" and "ISO E"? Brand name, where it came from, what's in it, etc? Sounds like there's something...
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    Great idea for a thread Irina. Thanks!

    To Graphite: can you please share how you do your "easy as pie" amber tincture? i.e. starting materials?

    My ten in no order:
    Grisalva
    Labdanum (and...
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    Re: starter kit for absolute beginners

    Please read the first post at the top of the DIY forum. It lists a starter kit of 100 items.
  61. Re: Ambrofix versus Ambergris, equivalent strengths?

    At the risk of throwing a wrench in here, I have found that Grisalva (AKA amber furan http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1023391.html) is a very reliable substitute for ambergris, and I like...
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    Re: How to make Top note last all day?

    While I agree with everything that has been said above, I just saw this description of Nootkatone at www.allylix.com/content/nootkatone :

    "Because nootkatone is the most “substantive” citrus...
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    Re: Help choosing EO's

    To Badger_Bhoy: Think of perfumery as painting. Say you got a set of paint colours: red, blue and yellow. That's like your patchouli, lavender and bergamot. (Though there's a big difference in that...
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    Re: Becoming A Supplier

    Go for it. Start by publishing a website address listing the 35 items. See who buys from this DIY forum for starters. That should be a pretty cheap experiment. I'd love to see what you have for sale...
  65. Thread: Aroma

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    Re: Aroma

    Yes.
  66. Thread: Longevity

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    Re: Longevity

    This thread is really about two things so I'll give two answers:

    1. Longevity.
    I've noticed that the professionals use at least four ways to describe "longevity". If you use The Good Scents...
  67. Re: DIY Suppliers List ------Editing in progress 12/2013

    Looking at the site I noticed a couple of things. They have "Lily" essential oil, but they never say what the species of lily is, or the source. Given that "Lily" oil is a bit vague and questionable,...
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    Re: Looking to hire a perfumer

    Savoy: here's an article that explains all the details required in what we call a "Perfume Brief", i.e. a total description of what you want:...
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    Re: Petitgrain, the natural that ruins everything

    Can you point us to the cologne recipe from yesterday? I cannot find it.
  70. Thread: Feminine Musks

    by bshell
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    Re: Feminine Musks

    To me, Ethylene Brassylate is a feminine musk. It smells a lot like oil of olay and a lot of other cosmetics and perfumes that are pretty much solely used by women, not men. But what do I know. This...
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    Re: Performing a Gas-Chromatography...now.

    Really enjoyed your "Raiders" page André. Thank you so much for doing this. It was very instructive. I hope you do more such GC analyses of other perfumes.
  72. Re: Problems with blending oils with alcohol or water

    Oh dear. Whenever I see "about.com" in the browser address bar I immediately close the window. No matter what the subject. Stay away from anything on about.com and get out as quickly as possible if...
  73. Re: Problems with blending oils with alcohol or water

    To follow up from Paul...

    You need to tell us the source of the myrrh you used. Where did you get it? I suspect that your myrrh is not pure, but contains some solvent or other carrier, possibly an...
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    Re: The Fragrance of Dial Gold Soap

    OMG. That video is astonishing. Can't believe how much work went into one bar of soap. Times have changed. To answer your question Pears: I wish I could get some old original Pears soap to smell (and...
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    Re: Always Vanilla Ad - UGH!

    Maybe vanilla is kind of like patchouli. Only very skilled and subtle blends should be attempted. It's possible to use a tiny amount of patchouli in fragrances without anyone knowing it's there. But...
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    Re: The Fragrance of Dial Gold Soap

    Frankly, we could have a whole section in Basenotes DIY on great smelling soap and how to duplicate it. One of my favourites is a soap available in Canada called Goat's Milk Soap by Caprina (original...
  77. Re: Anyone has experience with Perfumer's Apprentice GC?

    Am I allowed to ask: How much does Perfumer's Apprentice charge for a GCMS analysis? I went to their site and there's a somewhat vague number of $100 shown. Is that what you people paid? i.e. those...
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    Re: Note sure how do describe a scent

    One way to experience the phenolic note is to go and buy some scotch whiskey that originates from the Isle of Islay. The major brands are given on this Wikipedia page:...
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    Re: The Fragrance of Dial Gold Soap

    There's already a thread about this here on basenotes: http://www.basenotes.net/threads/208054-The-smell-of-Dial-Gold-Soap

    They compare it to Santa Maria Novella Gold Musk, which is described on...
  80. Re: Should the fragrance concentrate be diluted in alcohol by weight or volume?

    By weight. That is the industry convention.
  81. Re: DIY Suppliers List

    What I don't understand is how places like Perfumer's Apprentice don't seem to have any problem whatsoever with small orders. They ship within a day or so. They charge minimal shipping costs (within...
  82. Re: Spicy, herbaceous smell when mixing bergamot and lavender

    I'll just chime in to say I have noticed the very same thing. I call it a "buzz" note, or a "jazz" note because it feels like an accord that is dissonant, if we want to use the musical analogy. And...
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    Re: Geosmin arrived, altered my formulation

    I've tried this (tincturing humus). It did not work that well. I came upon a pile of compost from the City of Vancouver, which consisted of well-rotted tree chips of various sorts. Passing by on my...
  84. Re: Anyone has experience with Perfumer's Apprentice GC?

    As long as we are going off topic, I have a "burning" question as well, which I hope David and other chemists can answer. Why, exactly, do we need to age perfumes after they are formulated and...
  85. Thread: Vanilla bean

    by bshell
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    Re: Vanilla bean

    I did the same thing as jsparia above. I bought a few vanilla beans from a local shop. They were VERY fragrant, even sending their intoxicating smell through the plastic bag. I took about 1/2 of a...
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    Re: Links to perfumery books

    If we are allowed to add NEW perfume books then my current favourite is Scent and Chemistry: the molecular world of odors, by Gunther Ohloff, Wilhelm Pickenhagen and Philip Kraft. This is an older...
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    Re: how do u clean your glass beakers

    As graphite suggests, there are two additional things you can do besides soap and water:

    1. Solvent. Try many kinds: cheap rubbing alcohol, acetone, paint thinner, etc.
    2. Lye. This is also...
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    Re: Jean Carles' sniffing test

    To Nizan: When you have a fragrance dissolved in an oil and you wish to get it out of the oi and into alcohol you can "wash" the oil with alcohol and get a fair bit into the alcohol. The best tool...
  89. Thread: Hedione effects

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    Re: Hedione effects

    Is it just me or does Hedione create a sort of cloying effect? When I use it (even at 1%) at first of course it's nice, but after a few hours when most of the other molecules have evaporated and the...
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    Re: Honeysuckle absolute from Haven Essence

    Nizan: I started DIY perfumery about 3 years ago. In that time I've obtained oils from quite a few suppliers--maybe about 10 by now--and contrary to what you are saying, there are a huge number of...
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    Re: Honeysuckle absolute from Haven Essence

    If only suppliers would provide more information about where their products come from, how they were produced, and what precisely they contain we end-users would be far better served.

    For...
  92. Re: DIY Suppliers List ------Editing in progress 11/2013

    To Ipp: one thing that would be handy on this thread, or within Basenote's DIY section, would be some way of indicating the quality of oils and other raw ingredients available from the many suppliers...
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    Re: how do u clean your glass beakers

    I once asked a chemist over beers how to get the smell out of the tiny plastic funnels that I use when making very small experimental mixes in 2ml sample tubes. He said virtually all smelly molecules...
  94. Thread: Fuzzy Smell

    by bshell
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    Re: Fuzzy Smell

    I was thinking Timberol. Have you tried smelling this? In my notes I call it, "Hairy, buzzy, dry, male underarm..."
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    Re: Handsome, manly bottles?

    Don't forget Sunburst bottles. For instance, http://www.sunburstbottle.com/clear-glass-koi-bottle/p/KOIAS/
    And no minimum. And in USA.
  96. Re: Who sells a good, budget friendly, uncut, vanilla fragrance oil?

    Well, it's natural. If you eat beef, why not beaver (in trace amounts)?
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    Re: A tribute to my son

    It's real. Just click on the link and look at the pictures. Mine was this one: http://s1192.beta.photobucket.com/user/mattybaba/media/AMBERGRIS%20FOR%20SALE/8-1.jpg.html?sort=6&o=8
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    Re: A tribute to my son

    I originally posted this in the Ambergris thread in this DIY forum:

    You can get ambergris from Matt Turner in New Zealand. You can see some of what he has at Matt's Photobucket page.
    I bought 3gm...
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    Re: A tribute to my son

    Some kinds of ambergris have the exact smell of a fresh newborn baby, yet with an ambery smell. Maybe that would work. There are lots of different kinds of ambergris, though, so you will have to...
  100. Re: Micro samples... would that be of any interest?

    I'm in. Plus we should get clever and think up super cheap ways of doing this. I have found that a 1ml glass vile taped inside an ordinary greeting card (or any card stock) will go through the mails...
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