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    Re: need some advice

    This is something that i'm unclear of...but...if the haze itself can be attributed to unstable proteins, then bentonite, polyclar, isinglass could be utilised to 'fine' the fragrance without losing...
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    Re: need some advice

    You could use a solubilising agent such as DPG.

    Bentonite is an interesting idea, as is charcoal filtering and isinglass filtering. Not sure how that'd go.

    Try chilling the fragrance down in...
  3. Re: Cherry as top note and chemical analysis question.

    Of course, I should point out, if you are in possession of your own GCMS, that is trade approved, this is much more accurate, and a much better option.

    Getting a laboratory to accept liability...
  4. Re: Cherry as top note and chemical analysis question.

    I'd love to know a place in Australia that'll do that for less than a couple hundred dollars.

    You'd also want to make sure that the graphs are reliable enough to fall back on if there are ever...
  5. Re: Cherry as top note and chemical analysis question.

    Getting something by GC-MS isn't as simple as rocking up and paying a few dollars. You gotta be pretty specific and know what you're doing.

    More often than not, they aren't going to get back to...
  6. Re: Cherry as top note and chemical analysis question.

    Heliotropin is a good example if you're interested in a Cherry Top Note. You could also play around with Benzyl Acetate and Phenethyl Alcohol for added confectionary value.

    In terms of being 100%...
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    Re: Eastern Mukhallats vs Western oil blends

    ahmir, keep in mind that in the west, perfume oils aren't overly popular with the masses and still maintain a niche status.

    In Muslim countries, 'fine fragrance' using a carrier solvent such as...
  8. Re: I'm not sure if my essential oils are pure...

    It may be worth mentioning to get another persons opinion once you think the smell is gone.

    It's common for the intensity of any smell to dull in the first 10 minutes. Very rarely do you see the...
  9. Re: Fragrance Component Purchase - How Best to Organize?

    Mate!

    Welcome to the wonderful world of perfumery!

    I honestly don't have the persistence to provide a well worded response that Chris Bartlett has provided. Considering I agree with almost...
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    Re: Adding tinctures to perfume oil?

    I would imagine that the tinctures would overpower the EOs?

    Because it's homemade, there's no way to quantify the strength of the tinctures. The best option (i think) is to give it a try!!

    This...
  11. Re: Aroma chemicals listed on the perfume package

    This is an interesting topic for discussion, as it's the realm of the advanced perfumer and a very important topic...compliance.

    Otocione, they are talking about UK legislation, which is similar...
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    Re: Coloring Agents for Perfume

    A water soluble colour is suitable, as long as you also add a UV filter to your formula.

    These are generally easy to find here in Australia from places such as New Directions (I'm not sure where...
  13. Re: Aroma chemicals listed on the perfume package

    Most will also have UV Filters, Antioxidants and Colours listed too. These are also potential allergens.
  14. Re: I still don't understand why perfumers add a tiny bit of water to each bottle

    Hahaha Cheers Chris! I did get it in the end, just in time before ordering a couple hundred litres! I believe we need to have a word with the chemical company that assured us that this was the ideal...
  15. Re: I still don't understand why perfumers add a tiny bit of water to each bottle

    Aaaah! I see my error, good ol' semantics over the internet...

    In the process of contacting the chemical company that supplies us to rectify our ethanol. Lucky we got to that before bottling ;)
  16. Re: I still don't understand why perfumers add a tiny bit of water to each bottle

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  17. Re: I still don't understand why perfumers add a tiny bit of water to each bottle

    Sorry Chris, i'm a tad confused.

    If my absolute alcohol has already absorbed water vapour from the air (bringing it to 95.6%), and has significant amounts of the azeotrope used to distill it, it...
  18. Re: I still don't understand why perfumers add a tiny bit of water to each bottle

    Is this true?? I thought Absolute Ethanol was cosmetic grade. Or were you talking about the mechanics of perfumery, in that Absolute Ethanol will cause hyper volatilisation?

    I've been utilising...
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    Re: Bergamot and Bergaptens

    One thing i'm personally worried about is the amount of expressed mandarin oil i'm using. But that magical number of 15ppm of 5-MOP seems hard to hit, even with mandarin oil at 250ppm itself.
    ...
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    Bergamot and Bergaptens

    Hi guys/gals!

    Having a bit of trouble interpreting the IFRA rules while trying to piece together a citrus scent and pushing the concentrations up to parfum.

    I'm using 'Bergapten Free'...
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    Re: House of Guerlain

    Me too! Well done on the article!

    Was thinking of doing something similar with a tailored box of raw ingredients, it brings a much needed tactile sensation to perfumery...
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    Re: Diluting Frankincense

    Just to let you all know my end conclusion to my little Frankincense drama.

    Ended up going with Sydney Essential Oil Company, they sent some Frankincense samples, which proved readily soluble.
    ...
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    Re: My new perfumer's organ!

    Mate, very well done! Some good handiwork there!
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    Re: Adelaide, Australia

    Bit of news for the Adelaide folk.

    We've just got in the Seven Veils by Byredo Parfums, The Escentric and Molecule 03 by Escentric Molecules, the Diptyque Roll On Oils...

    At Mecca Cosmetica...
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    Re: Diluting Frankincense

    I emailed their help department.

    Here's the reply

    Hi

    All Frankincense oil that has left the NDA premises have conformed to specifications at the time of release.

    I have investigated...
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    Re: Diluting Frankincense

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    Re: Diluting Frankincense

    Im sorry, I didn't clarify properly...

    The frankincense oil isn't at 10%, I'm trying to dilute it to 10%.

    The frankincense oil is 100% pure frankincense.
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    Re: Diluting Frankincense

    It sits as a layer underneath the alcohol. I'm diluting from an oil, steam distilled...to 10% dilution.

    The oil i obtained from New Directions, the alcohol from Chem Supply Australia, 99%...
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    Diluting Frankincense

    Has anyone had issues with trying to dilute Frankincense?

    I can't seem to get it to dilute in 99% Undenatured Ethanol. It seems completely insoluble. Any ideas?

    BC
  30. Thread: Cosmoprof Asia

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    Cosmoprof Asia

    Hi DIY'ers,

    I'll be heading off to Cosmoprof Asia tomorrow, to check out potential suppliers of my own fragrance line-up. If you're interested, and heading down this path, let me know things that...
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    Re: Colouring Fragrance

    Thanks for the replies guys! No doubt, you are correct and I certainly agree with you that they should be best coloured from their ingredients.

    I'm looking into research on the effect of colours...
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    Colouring Fragrance

    Ok,

    So i've been searching high and low for an answer to this one. Haven't found a single thing in the numerous Perfumery text books, or anything from Allured books either.

    What is used to...
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    Re: SuperDry Fragrances

    Haha! Thanks neal, but if it were the case, i would agree with you ;)
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    SuperDry Fragrances

    So fellas,

    Watcha think? Superdry launching a line of fragrances?
  35. Re: Aussie Basenoters - International Travellers

    If you really want to travel with a fragrance, get yourself a 10ml traveller, that you can spray the fragrance into. You can pick them up at Perfume Connection, Harbour Town (Adelaide)

    Because,...
  36. Re: Picture of the famous Givaudan Odor Value Map

    This would be very interesting to have!
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    Re: Adelaide, Australia

    Hi laph, if you're still here, Mecca Cosmetica at Burnside have:

    The entire Serge Lutens Lineup

    The entire Byredo Lineup

    The Frederic Malle Lineup

    Tocca
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    Appellations in Fragrance

    Hi all,

    There's an interesting thread going on in the DIY section regarding the use of Monoi de Tahiti in a fragrance.

    I'm interested to know if anyone on here knows of, or has had experience...
  39. Thread: Monoi deTahiti

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    Re: Monoi deTahiti

    I certainly don't disagree with you. But it was used as an example. To us, Monoi de Tahiti may be simple. To the Tahitians, it's more than 'simple'. It's a defining part of their culture. Hence it...
  40. Thread: Monoi deTahiti

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    Re: Monoi deTahiti

    I should also note, Fragrance Houses are also obliged to show the origin of ingredients when required, with reason.

    An official appellation requesting this information would have it readily...
  41. Thread: Monoi deTahiti

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    Re: Monoi deTahiti

    The Monoi de Tahiti isn't just an ingredient, it's a perfume itself. Made with specific ingredients in a specific way, from a specific place.

    Not unlike Chanel No 5 being used in a blend to create...
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    Re: Adelaide, Australia

    Mecca Cosmetica are getting some new stuff in...hint hint...
  43. Thread: Monoi deTahiti

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    Re: Monoi deTahiti

    Putting something into a perfume and not announcing it probably isn't the most ethical move.

    However, there would be nothing stopping you from making your own, or purchasing one 'in the style...
  44. Thread: Monoi deTahiti

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    Re: Monoi deTahiti

    This is really interesting, I'm surprised it hasn't inspired others to comment. Monoi de Tahiti is an appellation controlled, Gardenia scented coconut oil.

    The fact that it is appellation tells...
  45. Thread: Monoi deTahiti

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    Re: Monoi deTahiti

    To be honest, never heard of it! Would certainly be interesting though, where can I obtain it?
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    Re: Looking for perfumery filters

    Also, i should mention that if you're going down the commercial path, many bottle fillers have specialized filters in them. So just check before you 'buy the cart before the horse'.

    Bren
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    Re: Looking for perfumery filters

    sehrgut is on the right track, certainly.

    If you go to (or email) any lab suppliers, you can get boxes of 100 or more chemical filters pretty cheap.

    All you have to do is grab a glass funnel,...
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    Re: Looking for perfumery filters

    Search through a few local laboratory equipment suppliers. They'll have what you're after, right down the the micropore size.
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    Re: Help with selecting aromachemicals please.

    You just saved me a couple hundred dollars in micropipettors :)
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    Re: Help with selecting aromachemicals please.

    Hey Chris, just a word on dilutions and blending.

    Say I have pure Lyral. I dilute to 10%. This is what I use for the perfume concentrate. After blending, I then dilute to my appropriate fragrance...
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    Re: Help with selecting aromachemicals please.

    I'd love one too thanks!
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    Re: Help with selecting aromachemicals please.

    With that Lyral restriction, what determines the final product?

    If you dilute Lyral to 1%, before blending, then dilute again for the final blending...the 0.2% restriction of the final product is...
  53. Poll: Re: Creed Original Santal vs Amouage Reflection man

    Really good comparison actually, but i'm in a Santal mood right now.
  54. Thread: Perfume Organ

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    Re: Perfume Organ

    Do you find the wood maintains any odour itself?
  55. Re: Perfume: The Alchemy of Scent by Jean-Claude Ellena

    Sweet! Should be good to read!
  56. Re: Fantastic experience with Histoires De Parfums Italy

    By the way alfarom, that's awesome to hear! I'm on my last day of my extensive trip, and about to head home. I'm doing up a city-by-city review. Let me tell you, the Italian perfumery scene,...
  57. Re: Fantastic experience with Histoires De Parfums Italy

    Sounds like a pretty good reason to get into Perfumery to me :) You should have no problems getting ethanol...even perhaps denatured cane spirit?
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    Re: TODAY I BOUGHT August 2011

    Creed Love in Black 75ml, Creed Santal 120ml, Dolce and Gabbana 125ml, Three Arabic Oils, Nobile 1942 Anomino, Two dilutions of Pure Oud.

    That's this month anyway.
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    Re: Scent Blog - Italian Trip!

    Just landed in Abu Dhabi, have a few days before heading off home.

    Time to get my Agarwood senses pumping, my Oudh appreciation refined...and search out a bit of Amouage too!
  60. Re: Question about the best way to learn blending?

    Spot on ;) Cheers
  61. Re: Question about the best way to learn blending?

    Isn't there an online listing of odour values of various aromachemicals?
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    Re: By Kilian Back to Black

    Bought Back to Black in Rome two weeks ago whilst comparing it to the Andy Tauer 'Auburn'.

    Seriously love BtB, love the packaging too...

    If you looking at the refills as a cheaper alternative,...
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    Re: Coolest Cologne Packaging?

    Check out the packaging for Kilian!
  64. Re: *** Major Community Essential Oil Prices Database - Project ***

    Very good idea rm2dance. Especially for DIYers. Please don't drop it, let's see how we can encourage it.

    After all, the best work in the world comes from collaboration!

    Perhaps this can inspire...
  65. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    You should read the 'Billionaire's Vinegar'.

    Keeping in mind that he was fraudulently copying wines that technically didn't exist. It was much easier to get away with especially when he was...
  66. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Wine fridges ideally sit at 70% humidity, perhaps a little less. This is due to keeping the outside of the cork in a relatively moist environment, ensuring a proper seal and preventing oxidation,...
  67. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Jealous!!!

    On the Fragrance Foundation, not only is their info basic, it's bias. You need to remember what audience they are educating. Scent-lovers are a minor part of their audience, it...
  68. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Thanks furrypine! At the end of the day, it all comes down to an understanding of the Laws of Thermodynamics...simple, but universal.
  69. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    They actually do, it's called cold stabalisation. Some perfumery books cover it, but you generally have to be trained to know about the processes.
  70. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    This is true, many can't justify the cost of a dedicated perfume fridge. But the few who can, it's proven that it works, regardless how small. In the spirit of a scent-loving forum, I thought we...
  71. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Wine Cellars are approx 12 - 18 degrees Celsius with 70% Humidity or more.

    I work in one for a living.

    EDIT:

    The purpose for a wine fridge is to replicate these conditions that favour...
  72. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Apologies, was just reacting to your rejection of my scientific proof, that I gave you...twice.

    Here it is a third time:
    ...
  73. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Sorry, WINE FRIDGE.

    70% Humidity and 12 - 18 degrees Celsius.

    This is the similar conditions for the 'perfume' fridge in question...
  74. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Half true, perfume bottles are not perfect seals. Not even crimp seals. There is still an amount of oxygen transfer through the seal. Even Stelvin Screwcaps that have been unopened allow oxygen...
  75. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Red Wine is meant to be kept in wine fridges. They don't usually sell them in fridges. Because 99% of wine purchased will be consumed in the first two years.

    This is similar with fragrance.
    ...
  76. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    There's two completely different situations here. One, the liquid is in the bottle, with a relatively low surface area being affected (the area between the surface of the liquid and oxygen).
    ...
  77. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-2494.1987.tb00475.x/abstract

    Read above, if you are a member of a university, you should be able to get full access. I won't post up the full...
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    Smelling Strip Heater

    Got an idea for you guys.

    When creating a fragrance, you obviously test it over time, and see how it develops. Most probably test it on their own skin.

    Do any of you make use of a heater to...
  79. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    You may have skipped over my post. I gave a scientific study from a peer reviewed journal regarding the affects of ageing, if you go ahead and purchase this study, it notes that lowering the...
  80. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Woah, there's a lot of hatred here.

    Just remember, you can't see through the internet to the other side guys/gals...

    Perhaps the person in question is THAT good at investing money that they can...
  81. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Certainly have kbe. The fact that wine is purely a natural product, with over 800 different factors at play between the ground to the bottle. There is absolutely no possibility to replicate a wine...
  82. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Just a note, wine is actually MUCH more complex than any fragrance. Trust me, im doing a four year degree in it.

    And yes, Argon certainly helps, it purpose is purely protective. Any noble gas...
  83. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    Double post. Sorry
  84. Re: Just moved all my frags to my fridge, at approximately 40 F

    This is a really interesting reaction. I think the idea is great. As a winemaker and perfumer with a chemistry background this makes perfect sense.

    Firstly, why would someone want to own 200...
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    Adelaide DIYers

    Just wondering if there were any DIYers in Adelaide?
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    Re: 50ml or 100ml? How good is 100ml good?

    Splash bottles rock! You're not limited to having to spray it to smell it! They're more conducive for smelling strip use :)
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    Re: Just Bought Two New Colognes!! So Excited!!!

    Pfft, mate, if you love em, go for it...let us know your own thoughts!
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    Re: Tom Ford Private Blend Recommendations?

    Agreed, and Tuscan Leather...but you already have it :)
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    Re: Show Us Your Perfumery!

    Don't have one! :) Currently in the process of moving house, so I will be chronicling my own 'build up' on here. Thought this might be a good thread to throw around ideas such as:

    What's the best...
  90. Re: creation of a dark rose composition - stability of rose accord

    That's not always a bad thing DoItMyself! It means a little bit goes a long long way! You won't have to purchase some for a while!

    In regards to nano technology, you can achieve it fine with a...
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    Show Us Your Perfumery!

    Hi fellow Basenoters,

    Thought i'd throw up a thread for us to show off our 'Perfumery' or 'Perfuming Area'. Perhaps by uploading and showing photos, we can provide inspiration for others to...
  92. Re: How do you perceive perfume sold/made by personal care companies?

    For me to perceive perfume products from personal care companies favourable or vice versa, they would have to satisfy three categories:

    1. There is no sacrifice in quality between the different...
  93. Re: received some amazing rare absolutes from hermitage oils!!!!

    DPG does essentially the same thing as ethanol, it's a double alcohol (hence the 'Di'). It's water soluble and is very efficient in dissolving organic materials. Ethanol is usually used WITH DPG to...
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    Re: 50ml or 100ml? How good is 100ml good?

    This is actually an interesting thread, good idea.

    I think inherently, when people first get into fragrances, they aim on building a solid collection, looking up to the 'old hands' with large...
  95. Re: received some amazing rare absolutes from hermitage oils!!!!

    In some chemical circumstances, it's necessary to heat some things before 'fixing' them, preventing disassociation when the liquid returns to room temperature. The same may be the case where heating...
  96. Re: received some amazing rare absolutes from hermitage oils!!!!

    Any possibility of utilizing different alcohols? Or must it be soluble in just Ethanol? Must it be soluble at room temperature?
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    Re: Scent Blog - Italian Trip!

    This is true, each store is designed independently, they certainly aren't a franchise...but each store has been designed to be an experience in itself, separate from each other. Needless to say, I...
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    Re: Scent Blog - Italian Trip!

    Nah, they don't sell Profvmvm, I visited that earlier in the day.
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    Re: Terrior and Fragrance

    Very interesting, also inclined to agree with you Gido :)
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    Re: Scent Blog - Italian Trip!

    Spot on alfarom! I'd love to give these guys a massive shout out, they're awesome. Anyone planning a scent journey, passing through Rome should definitely stop through Campomarzio 70.

    No sorry...
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