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    Re: Pipette blown up by Citral

    I've never bothered with the cotton plug. Do you find it makes much of a difference Chris?
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    Re: Brand New Smelly Game

    I've been working on both fragrances. Fragrance B is definitely proving the more difficult one for me. The narcissus note is tricky. I may need to use my one question for that...

    Fragrance A on...
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    Re: Creating Borneo 1834 from essential oils

    Having dug out my sample of Borneo 1834 the other day, I think one other thing that will probably be important is coumarin. And I wouldn't be too shy with the vanilla side of it either - it seems...
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    Re: Incense Extreme Community Remake

    The longest lasting Frankincense material I've tried so far is Olibanum Couer MD from Ventos, which unfortunately nobody seems to sell in small amounts yet. I was just comparing it last night to the...
  5. Re: Anyone know a source for Givaudan Chocovan?

    Well how convenient!

    Givaudan describe it like this: "Chocovan brings a rich cocoa note together with a warm vanillic background created around an overdose of a Givaudan Specialty. It brings the...
  6. Re: Jasmine flower accord , cis jasmone, methyl jasmonate

    Cis-jasmone is also useful in violet fragrances, which if I recall correctly is a particular interest of yours, Milhaus...

    For me it gives a fresh green floral natural effect. It's effective in...
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    Re: Bacon fragrance

    Castoreum might be useful for its sweet, smokey, meaty notes.
  8. Re: Anyone know a source for Givaudan Chocovan?

    I had another look at the Scent & Chemistry book and it says Chocovan contains 2,3,5-trimethylpyrazine, which I think would be the same (according to TGSC) as the Trimethyl Pyrazine offered at...
  9. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    OK, got it, thanks. Well good luck to anyone trying to duplicate that!

    I think the woody synths really worked well with your naturals here.
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    Interesting to read the formulas so far, although I only got the rose part of your one Mumsy.

    Cybervoltage, there were some things that surprised me about yours - the traces of aldehydes for...
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    Re: Creating Borneo 1834 from essential oils

    OK, heres what you can glean from the book:

    Patchouli oil - 57%
    Iso E Super - 8%
    Cyperus scariosus oil - 1%
    Oakmoss absolute - 0.5%
    Chocovan - ?%
    Opoponax resinoid - ?%
    Myrrh extract - ?%
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    Re: Creating Borneo 1834 from essential oils

    The Scent & Chemistry book reveals some percentages of the materials used - do you want me to tell you or would you rather figure it out yourself?

    Definitely LOTS of patchouli oil. It also...
  13. Re: Need your Opinion- Should I Offer Robertet Naturals for Presale Perfumer Supply House

    Oh well, thanks for checking. The notes sounded fascinating.

    The Cypriol sounds very interesting too. And the Bigaradier sounds useful.

    I know Proxisanté in France resells some of these. I...
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    Re: The smell of spring?

    I have Narcissus (poeticus) abs from Hermitage and from White Lotus Aromatics. No nosebleeds yet. I must say I don't find either of them particularly strong or long-lasting. I grew the flowers last...
  15. Re: Need your Opinion- Should I Offer Robertet Naturals for Presale Perfumer Supply House

    This one sounds interesting:

    Cedarwood 114 e.o. Fractions
    The Cedarwood Texas essential oil (juniperus mexicana) is redistilled and fractionated in order to bring its Cedrol content below 0,1%...
  16. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Got cybervoltage's the other day. Thank you cybervoltage. Quite different again from the others, although not without similarities.

    As with some of the others, I noticed a kind of minty effect....
  17. Thread: Ginger?

    by Renegade
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    Re: Ginger?

    I have a little sample too from Christine at PSH but haven't used it much. For me, it smelled spicy like eugenol, but a bit weaker and shorter lived. Not immediately reminiscent of ginger to me, but...
  18. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I also received mrstrocovie's today via mumsy. Thank you both.

    I'll give my first impressions. I've been smelling it on a strip today and it's really interesting. Quite different to the others...
  19. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I forgot to say I got ColHP's version yesterday and have been testing it on a strip. Patchouli galore! In a good way. I'm sure there must be a lot more patchouli here than I used in mine. I get a...
  20. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Thanks for the review Cybervoltage. I would definitely be into sharing formulas here. Lets wait until everyone has smelled each others though. There is actually no eugenol as such in mine, maybe very...
  21. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I received a nice little box of "humidor sprays" today. And I didn't even know my humidor needed spraying.

    Thank you Mumsy! And you included a sample of the vintage too - I wasn't expecting that....
  22. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I'll give it a go, thanks. Sounds relaxing at the very least. This cold has been pretty short lived, I'm nearly over it now. Normally they drag on for ages.

    Also, an interesting thing is that...
  23. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Actually, I'm just getting over a particularly bad cold – maybe it travelled over to you in the envelope! I don't think I ever had a cold as bad – sneezing, headache, fever, shivers, sweating and now...
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    Re: Brand New Smelly Game

    Fragrance B sounds nice for spring. The given notes are quite different to those of Zino, so it should be a nice change.

    I'll certainly give it a go. Thanks David!
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    Fancy! :wink: Can't wait to smell it. Knokitoff indeed!
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    "Zino by Renegade" has made it past the post office clerk and is hopefully on the way to the five of you now.
  27. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Sounds great. OK, I'll go ahead and PM everyone with my address and they can reply with their own. I'm looking forward to smelling all the different interpretations, it should indeed be fun.

    EDIT:...
  28. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Renegade = Ireland.

    So, 5 people to send samples to - that's not too bad. I'll make mine up today. So we all send each other our samples individually, is that correct?
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    I'll have mine ready to send this week. I've been working on it over the weekend. It doesn't seem quite "finished" yet, but then again some reviews seem to suggest Zino is a bit rough around the...
  30. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Coumarin is definitely sweet to me, but with a dryness too. I haven't yet used any replacements or alternatives to coumarin, although I know there are some offered.

    For me, it doesn't smell...
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    Re: New Baby Smell

    Maybe you could track down some Baby Oil? Although I doubt it's distilled any more these days. And if it is, it's normally from the more unpleasant smelling babies that no one wants.
  32. Re: Recs please for a newbie that wants to give her sandalwood it's just due +

    Good sandalwood oil, to me, is pretty subtle - especially when diluted. So if you don't want to wear it pure, or don't have enough to do that, then I would be very careful with your blend, keep it...
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    Re: A Message To Our Community

    BA, I have no problem with what you're doing at all. I don't think it's for selfish reasons and even if I did I wouldn't care. I have nothing against entrepreneurship. And like I said, now that I see...
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    Re: A Message To Our Community

    OK, just had a look. $4.99 isn't that bad actuallly. I'm such a cynic.
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    Re: A Message To Our Community

    $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

    Sorry, but I like it here just fine. Good luck to you though.
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    Re: Stereotypical men's cologne

    And now the new stereotype in mens fragrance seems to be dry woody types like 1 Million, Invictus, Bleu de Chanel. They all remind me of airport duty free shops.
  37. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Sorry I haven't been posting on here when I said I'd join in. I'm disgustingly lazy.

    I did make one version when we began; not bad but too sweet and powdery. I made another yesterday and I still...
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    Re: Linalool - A Flavor Perspective

    Wow, a versatile material indeed. I have thought to myself before how versatile it is in perfumery, especially with floral bases like honeysuckle, lily, orange flower, even carnation, jasmine,...
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    Re: Where to get perfumers alcohol online

    First of all, I'm sorry if my tone seemed mocking. I don't doubt that this is a good source and I applaud you for taking the time to share it.

    I was just amused, surprised (and perhaps even...
  40. Re: First ever perfume finished with a crimped bottle......

    Looks great, and I like the colour of the perfume too. Lucky daughter!
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    Re: Apologies to DIY

    Great to have you back here Saponier, and I'm glad you're starting to feel a bit better. We all had so much fun smelling the materials you kindly sent and I hope you'll enjoy your return to Fragrance...
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    Re: Arctander Perfume and Flavor Chemicals

    Yikes, that's a lot of pages to copy.

    I have the second volume only (K-Z). I saw it on Alibris listed for something like $35. The listing didn't specify that it was only for the second part, but I...
  43. Thread: Safranol

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    Re: Safranol

    I think you're thinking of safrole, a different chemical.
  44. Thread: Safranol

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    Re: Safranol

    You probably mean safranal (not -ol). I would like to know more about this myself as I love the smell of saffron. It's limited to 0.005 % of a finished fragrance by IFRA - I wonder if it has much of...
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    According to the Scent & Chemistry book, "Dior Homme" contains "0.25% of the most expensive orris root absolute", while "Iris Silver Mist" contains 4.5% of orris butter.
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    Re: Lime / Vanilla Fragrance

    Expressed lime oil will give you a much more natural lime zest note as compared to the boiled sweets effect of the distilled oil.
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    I don't think you do; just money. If you want to familiarise yourself with the smell of orris root you can buy dried root online in many places and if it's good quality it should have the distinctive...
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    And the absolute should be even more expensive than the butter.
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    Where did you get it and how much did it cost?
  50. Poll: Re: Which BASE note do you think smells best with vanilla?

    With all due respect, may I ask why you want to know? Are you doing market research?
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    Mine are all kind of old-fashioned:

    Jasmine Abs (Officinale) - For its deep fruity indole notes and the richness it gives even in small amounts.

    Civet Tincture - An "ancient" smell, very...
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    Re: Heliotrope / Heliotropin

    Glad you liked it! I agree, it's a must have reference material.

    I must get some of those other materials myself. That costus oil is expensive though (it generally is, I think). I have some...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    That's very interesting about your 6-methylquinoline, Irina. I have to say, before I bought this material I was expecting something much more animalic and dirty myself. When I read the description on...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    OK, here we go:

    #176: 6-methylquinoline, 10% in DPG
    #351: Tahitian Vanilla Crystals, 20% in DPG ("Tahitian Vanilla Abs X Natural Vanillin")
    #793: Benzyl Salicylate, Undiluted

    They were not...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    Sadly, I still haven't received any notes from Paul Kiler, Saponier or indeed BAGreat - 3 people out of the 6 that I sent materials to.

    That's a bit disappointing, but I'm sure they all have good...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    How interesting, mumsy, that you picked up on the cherry / almond note in #934 - and even had the same guess as me. When I found out what the material actually was I thought I probably had just...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    OK, I suppose I'll have to post mine myself as well:


    #261


    1. Environment: Small room with a window and a door, no potent odours. Time and date: 23/10/2014, 12:00. Already diluted to 10% in...
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    Re: Variability of Birch tar oil?

    Thanks for sharing your results Pears, absolutely fascinating! Probably not something I'll be trying anytime soon myself, but maybe someday. There must be something like this on the market already -...
  59. Re: My Alcohol Perfume Is Oily Sticking Left On My Skin And Not Drying After Evaporate

    30% is a high concentration; most modern perfumes are far less. DPG won't reduce the oiliness at all, in fact it will simply make it worse. So, if a lower concentration doesn't result in a...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    Most interested. I might even mix it up myself.
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    Re: Variability of Birch tar oil?

    Interesting question Pears. You have probably read what Arctander has to say about birch tar oil - "...the most interesting components are the non-phenolic ones". I'm not certain whether guaiacol and...
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    Re: Naturals With Great Projection

    Patchouli oil.
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    Re: Where to get perfumers alcohol online

    Just had a look at that website. Not sure if it's genius or insane or a bit of both!

    "Extraction Artists across the globe know the secret, now, so do you."

    "KleenXtract is a revolutionary...
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    Re: is good sandalwood even a thing anymore?

    2.5 hours in and the santalol is a bit more pleasant although still quite plasticky and greasy smelling to me. Not sure I like it by itself. A fresh application reveals the urinous side. Without...
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    Re: is good sandalwood even a thing anymore?

    I think the Santalol Hermitage sell is from Robertet. I bought 1ml of that and it wasn't as clean and smooth as I expected. I don't know what the purity of it is, but to me it is still a bit phenolic...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    Brilliant! Who knew such different worlds could collide... That is just perfect.
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    Just reading your #138 again - Irina says "Swamp thing" while I say "Straight-laced businessman". Quite the difference! I will have to dig that one out again.
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    #793
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    mumsy on #793:

    http://www.viewdocsonline.com/document/t4o13a
    ...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    #351
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    mumsy on #351:

    http://www.viewdocsonline.com/document/af5b2p
    ...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    #176
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    mumsy on #176:

    http://www.viewdocsonline.com/document/iy9pns
    ...
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    Re: Heliotrope / Heliotropin

    At 25% in IPM:

    http://www.proxisante.com/fr/nature-identique/775-heliotrope-a-25-sur-mip.html
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    Re: Blind nose training: ALL RECEIVED NOTES ON #292

    Wow! Sounds like an Etat Libre d'Orange blurb. Great imagination!
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    I'll be nice: sundown wherever you live.

    Seriously though, I understand sometimes life gets in the way. Of course, PK and Saponier, I can still add your notes to the others whenever you're ready...
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    Re: Blind nose training: wrapping it up!

    I haven't received any notes from PK or Saponier (or BAGreat [not sure if you received the materials I sent?]).

    I completely understand that some people are extremely busy, but could you let me...
  75. Re: Can you give me feedback for perfumersupplyhouse.com ?

    Nothing to worry about at all. Excellent products and even better customer service.
  76. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    Probably sweet orange oil, terpeneless.
  77. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    Also only a tiny amount of moss (not sure what the word after "Mousse" is... "Cawili"?). And no coumarin (as far I can see). Doesn't look right to me at all, but then I haven't tried it.

    But...
  78. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    I don't know which would have been used, if any, just that there seems to me to be a strong orris note in addition to the methyl ionone. I used 5% Orris Oil (=Butter) in mine (which seems like a huge...
  79. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    Trufflehunter, I don't think 3% of clove oil is too much. I have a tiny sample of vintage Mitsouko and indeed there is a strong clove note. I would guess it is even backed up with more isoeugenol for...
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    Re: Search recipes or formula of disigner

    Coumarin and vanillin along with the lavender, patchouli and rose element will give you a very strong powdery effect. The civet helps, as will a little orris. No nitromusk necessary. I'd guess there...
  81. Thread: Pipettes

    by Renegade
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    Re: Pipettes

    The price would indeed be for 1000 pcs. I got 250 for €10.25 elsewhere. You will also need the little teats to draw up the liquid: like these. Not sure how many you get for that price, but you really...
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    Re: Search recipes or formula of disigner

    The original formula for Jicky actually listed Guerlain's own "Eau de Cologne Impériale" as one of its ingredients. See here.
  83. Thread: Pipettes

    by Renegade
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    Re: Pipettes

    You can keep it next to the bottle without washing if you want but it is not ideal because you can end up with degraded aroma materials building up on the pipettes. I do it anyway (don't tell anyone).
  84. Thread: Pipettes

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    Re: Pipettes

    Then I would recommend something like these: https://shop.poulten-graf.de/en/oxid-oxid-3/oxid/oxid/Pasteur-Pipettes-VOLAC-disp-glass-150mm-in-pcks-of-1000-unplugged-BS5732-ISO7712.html

    They can be...
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Oh, I see. I was starting to feel guilty there for a moment as I had already revealed the identities to Mumsy and Newtothis (THEY MADE ME DO IT). Clean conscience now. Thanks.

    I am feeling much...
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    OK, my lips are sealed. Good luck with the video.
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Got your notes Irina, thanks!

    So far:
    notes sent to: everyone
    notes received from: Mumsy, Newtothis, Irina
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    Re: Advice on a formula

    Maybe some patchouli in the base then?
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    Re: Advice on a formula

    How about bumping up the rose note? A bit more absolute and a good bit of PEA. And maybe some aldehydes? C12 MNA for an incense effect since it's supposed to be "spiritual"? Some olibanum oil?
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    How sweet, thank you so much! :dankk2:
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    All done, and just in the nick of time as I definitely feel a cold coming on. I've sent reports to everyone. If I've missed anyone out let me know.
  92. Re: 2,6 nonadienal ( cucumber aldehyde ) in Arranging Fine Perfume Compositions - Brechbill

    Perfumer's Apprentice are offering "Cucumber Aldehyde Natural". Different product? When you click the link for the MSDS it gives the CAS No.: 18829-56-6 as opposed to 557-48-2. Descriptions seem...
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    Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? CLOSED

    Going swimmingly! Finished making the dilutions today. Some very interesting materials amongst them. Definitely some I haven't smelled before. (Or have I?)
  94. Thread: Tolu balsam

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    Re: Tolu balsam

    Or get Tolu Balsam Absolute.
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    Re: Okoumal from PA

    Things I would put in the same family: Ambrocenide, Ambermax, Norlimbanol, even Aldron. They all have different nuances, strengths and substantivities of course but to me they all give a broadly...
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    Re: Okoumal from PA

    I can't remember if I could smell it neat. I think I have it tucked away now in a drawer somewhere because it was quite strong. Anyway, as far as I can remember it was another one of the seemingly...
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    Re: Okoumal from PA

    Yes, I got some last year and can smell it.
  98. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Isn't that a different fragrance? Davidoff by Zino Davidoff, not Zino by Zino Davidoff? :confused:
  99. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak7Hu5-BIp0

    I'm in!
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    Re: Musk ketone and DPG

    DPG just doesn't work. Haven't tried the other two you mentioned but Benzyl Benzoate or Benzyl Salicylate can be used (unfortunately they have their own smell).
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