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    Re: Working with Ambergris and Musk

    Not all middle eastern formulas are maceration in oils, some are pastes as is the case with the above. It is for this reason that the ambergris is ground in room temperature than filtered using fine...
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    Re: Working with Ambergris and Musk

    Things do get lost in translation on the internet so I would like to clarify some points in order that you and others who read this thread have the whole picture:

    We visited Claudine's website...
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    Re: Working with Ambergris and Musk

    Hi Claudine,

    Thank you for your contribution.

    We aren't ambergris hunters but rather perfumers and as perfumers we test our ingredients with the relevant tests to ensure they satisfy our...
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    Re: Afghani Rose Oil

    So in Pakistan desi gula'ab is referring to one rose?



    This is not accurate, the agreement that the Afghan Government signed in 2015 was with GIZ(those who managed the project), The German...
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    Re: What are you wearing today?

    Did copper/brass have contact with the oil at any point in time? There is a granular green residue that builds when oudh or sandalwood have contact with brass or copper as storage containers and a...
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    Re: Afghani Rose Oil

    It is interesting that you mention the Desi Rose, a term that is treated by the public as being specific yet technically it is a broad term referring to a group of roses that were classified as "Old...
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    Afghani Rose Oil

    Notorious for its rich culture, craftsmanship & luscious fruits and nuts Afghanistan doesn’t usually come to mind when thinking of prized produce. Though now considered a war-torn ravaged country it...
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    Re: Working with Ambergris and Musk

    thanks @matt, do you know how to link it to the DIY?

    http://www.ouddict.com/attachments/ambergris-2-jpg.4320/
    So the gentle grinding begins...

    Ambergris is the result of indigestion (only if...
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    Working with Ambergris and Musk

    Recently we recreated a very old formula from the Arab-Islamic tradition, the formula dates back some 1400 centuries. We share some of the steps on the Ouddict forum and thought due to the interest...
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    Eid Sale 35% off Al Shareef Oudh

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  12. Re: www.granadawood.com??? Has anyone purchased Agarwood from here?

    You are most welcome Sir!
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    Re: Aoud / Oud / Oudh / Agarwood

    Exotics you hit the nail on the head. Oudh works well in natural perfumery where an element of play is expected from the ingredients, however oudh to be applied as a compound is a risky game because...
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    Re: Oud lovers who love sandalwood...

    does anyone know what happened to the starter of this thread @Fungusamongus
  15. Re: www.granadawood.com??? Has anyone purchased Agarwood from here?

    Trent is a legitimate operator. He is based in Queensland Australia.
  16. Re: Al Shareef Oudh Discount to BN Members

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  18. Natural Boutique Artisanal Fragrance Creation

    Hey Folks,

    Wanted to create this thread some time back but never got around to it. Though I am very busy on projects for the next few weeks, I thought I would start this thread to discuss some of...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    What you are discussing is the marketing or economic justifications for why certain distillers will continue with bad practices. What I am focusing on is the technical aspects of distillation.
    ...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    @Adam,

    At least you agree that metals are better coolers than glass.

    If a desired outcome is achieved by having contradictions in the distillation setup it does not mean that setup is efficient...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    @Adam, agarwoodindonesia

    About cooling glass vs metal(Stainless steel, copper) that is very interesting what you guys have said

    The Thermal Conductivity of Stainless Steel is 16.3 W/(mK).
    The...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    @Adam,

    Knowing the issues is a big step towards a solution, Hopefully some of our tips helps you.

    @agarwoodindonesia

    Did you measure how much steam was leaking?

    The Reverse Graham allows...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    This technique was done in two different ways. The rose petals were infused into sandalwood oil or into the sandalwood distillate which resulted in fresh, floral and woody notes. Some older families...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    Yeah you wont have a cracking problem there :)

    It is important to note on the reverse graham condenser, the steam travels up the center pipe and is released at the top of the chamber and the...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    @Faizal

    A condenser is a heat exchanger in it's essence, so that is just terminologies, turning gases into liquids by cooling them e.g steam into water. What I pointed out were two things in your...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    @Adam, happy to provide you educational sketches and drawings to help answer specific questions. However as I have mentioned in the past when I first joined this forum, how we arrange our...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    Salam Muhammad good to hear from you.

    I have already addressed the points regarding soaking, raw material, pots etc, you can read about those at the beginning of the thread.

    As with regards to...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    Many a times distillers will complain about loss in production and this can be related to the method of cooking, but also the equipment used in cooking, condensing and collecting the oil.

    For this...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    It's that time of the year again when the beautiful valley of Ta'if is blossoming with roses, which are picked and the wonderful Ta'ifi Rose Oil is distilled. This year on top of distilling our...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    I found this by Dr Josh Axe (http://draxe.com/rose-essential-oil-benefits-skin-depression-hormones/), and below i paste what he write Re the three points.

    1. Rose Oil Improves Depression


    A...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    There is a bit of research currently going on in how Rose Oil helps;
    1. Depression
    2. Skin Health
    3. Libido and Hormone Health

    Does anyone here have any experiences with the above?
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    Cooking Pots,

    There is much advertisement about cooking pots, how they are built and what value they add to the final oudh oil. Many different construction methods are used and some even talk...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    co-distillation or mixing of raw materials in distillation is part of the 'formula' of most non artisan distillers. Commercial distillers mix oudh types, regions and other woods to come up with the...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    Fermentation has become common practice due to the high demand in the middle east market for oudh. Distillers have become so fine tuned with their fermentation methods that they could just about use...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    In fermentation the microbial growth does impact the scent. I do not consider soaking and fermentation as the same, and this is where the distinction has to be made. Fermentation is a deliberate...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    Continuing on from where we left this thread...

    Powdernose you raise a very valid point and that is the question of when does water have a real measurable impact on the scent profile, and when is...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    Jazak Allah Khair @ Adam, that makes a lot of sense when looking at the photos of your setup.

    @Taha, I was asking more in relation to the impurities you were witnessing in the distillers water,...
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    Re: Distillation and Oudh

    @Adam,

    Regarding your comment, is the bio-matter sitting inside the water or outside of the water, in other words is it hydro distilled or steam?

    @Taha

    Please don't give people ideas,...
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    Distillation and Oudh

    We know from historical evidences that drinking water has been distilled from sea water since before 200 AD. If you wish you can read further about this in "The Evolution of the Still" by Frank...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    I have been asked by a few people regarding the reason why a good rose oil will solidify in cooler temperatures and whilst I have provided this answer in private, I think it would be beneficial to...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    Thanks to my wife who came across this illustration and sent it to me, it is an Arabic illustration depicting a 13th-century steam distillation setup commonly used in distilling rose oil.
    ...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    @Recluse

    Traditionally we apply oils in the following manner;

    The inside of the elbows, the rear of the knees, the back of the ears, the lower/med section of the spine muscle, the jugulars, the...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    @ladySara

    Hair also absorbs oils, but I am not sure if it absorbs faster than skin or slower.
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    When applying Ta'ifi Rose Oil, it is best applied to clothes. Whilst the oil will last about a day on the skin, it will last much longer on clothes and textile. The high quality of the oil and it's...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    Nakhbah Al Arous is a loose term and not always used accurately. If i remember correctly ASQ actually has a rose it calls Nakhbah Al Arous.

    However with regards to highest quality oils, then the...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    sign of a good rose oil that has been hydro distilled, it should solidify at lower temperatures
    http://www.basenotes.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=36510&stc=1

    - - - Updated - - -

    Attar...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    In the last few years a quality issue has crept into the Taifi Rose distilleries in Taif. As the demand has risen there is just not enough roses in Taif, so distillers are reaching out as far as...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    @hedyscent here are some photos my cousin was able to take, hope you enjoy

    http://www.basenotes.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=36338&stc=1
    ...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    Thanks@AMAR

    This year's Taifi Rose is in full swing. The rose bushes are blossoming, the valley is fragrantly rosey. The picking of the roses have begun and distillation houses are bubbling away...
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    Re: Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    Thanks for that!

    @AMAR

    You mentioned that Rosa damascena is a hybrid of Rosa moschata, it would be interesting to see the cross overs in the botanical gene tree.
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    Sticky: @Uday Majid Iterji is a fairly large...

    @Uday

    Majid Iterji is a fairly large establishment in Saudi Arabia, he has a variety of products some are blends, some sprays and he also has pure oils. If you find in his description that it says...
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    Sticky: @JDHawk a picture is better than a 1000 words!...

    @JDHawk

    a picture is better than a 1000 words! keep them coming.

    @Uday

    If your olfactory palate is aligned to the middle eastern flavours than you will enjoy Majid's oils. The Iterji's are...
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    Sticky: @Thomas S I am glad you raised this point and...

    @Thomas S

    I am glad you raised this point and I am happy to provide detail because whoever started this circle idea has done so in a similar manner; holding a piece of wood or a photo and doing...
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    Sticky: @littlecrowgirl regurgitation of seller's...

    @littlecrowgirl

    regurgitation of seller's stories is what I see as taking away from the quality of discussion here.

    Our experience with scents has to do with how we feel about them. Whilst our...
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    @AMAR nice bit of information, do you have...

    @AMAR

    nice bit of information, do you have access to the species tree?
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    Sticky: As most of you know I am new to this forum and...

    As most of you know I am new to this forum and the intent for me to join was to share my first hand experiences and knowledge regarding Oudh, distillation, scents and general day -to- day life in the...
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    In general and simple terms there are three...

    In general and simple terms there are three factors that can change the scent of the Taifi oil;

    1. Like any natural plant the Taifi rose does differ slightly season to season and this is a...
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    Please share your experience :)

    Please share your experience :)
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    Sticky: @GLTASN The saudi students at anchorage uni...

    @GLTASN

    The saudi students at anchorage uni might be a good start, they have a facebook page, Saudi Club Alaska...
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    @ladysara Yes it will alter that cheese blast...

    @ladysara

    Yes it will alter that cheese blast if you begin with what I suggested above, however if you put more, say even 1/4 of Taifi, it will nearly completely replace the top and you will find...
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    @Recluse To put into perspective on a 2.5ml...

    @Recluse

    To put into perspective on a 2.5ml bottle, you would add 0.17ml, if you cant measure fractions just do 0.15, see how you go.

    Sorry I haven't tried that particular one so i can't...
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    Oudh Lovers who love Taifi Rose

    The Taifi Rose season is just around the corner and I received a message from my cousin in the Al Qurashee family, that the Taifi Rose oils will be ready in about 40 days time. I thought it...
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    @Recluse this will be hard to work with if you...

    @Recluse

    this will be hard to work with if you are layering, but if you are mixing 1/15 is a good starting point. Then let your mixture sit in a dark place for a good couple of weeks so that the...
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    With Taifi rose, in my opinion it isn't so much a...

    With Taifi rose, in my opinion it isn't so much a matter of what is best with it, rather how much is best. The Taifi rose has the ability to take over the top note complete if one is not careful with...
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    Sticky: cringe@JDhawk, having seen your scope kit don't...

    cringe@JDhawk, having seen your scope kit don't take that baby anywhere close to the burner!!!

    @ GLTASN, solvent extractions in general with Oudh do not contribute positively to the scent...
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    Taha's Kritsana PA This oil is one that can be...

    Taha's Kritsana PA This oil is one that can be enjoyed by many, it is pleasant and accessible easy to enjoy and has the complexity if your nose wishes to dive deep. It is also long lasting with the...
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    I had a friend from the UK send me a mysore...

    I had a friend from the UK send me a mysore sample to test and apart from the clear vegetable oil top note, the rest seemed inline with mysore character, my initial take was that the sample was...
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    Sticky: JD beautiful stuff ! Wont be too long before...

    JD beautiful stuff !

    Wont be too long before you get a call by some big science lab to operate their gear :D
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    Sticky: @Taha as I have said in private, if there is...

    @Taha

    as I have said in private, if there is anything we can do to help you get this sorted let me know.

    @Fazli

    I dont think Taha meant it in a general way to include all Malaysia. Taha...
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    @kc3dl interesting you mention the earlobes....

    @kc3dl

    interesting you mention the earlobes. In some parts of India during winter the old timers dab a bit of cotton wool into oudh and then place it on the inside of their ears. They say it...
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    @bigbloke, Listenclosely, Sorry to hear that...

    @bigbloke, Listenclosely,

    Sorry to hear that guys. We have found that skin reactions occur more with certain types of Oudhs and certain practices. For example layering can make this worse. From...
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    Sticky: thanks @ bluemoon :) @kyarazen yes it would...

    thanks @ bluemoon :)

    @kyarazen

    yes it would be a good starting point to know what is required, also if they require generic Oudh tests, or every batch requires the stipulated tests.
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    Sticky: @kyarazen So far I don't think everyone is...

    @kyarazen

    So far I don't think everyone is affected, but it could just be a matter of time or just difference in how the items are packed, labeled etc not sure.


    @TWIS

    Thanks for that...
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    Sticky: wow this is pretty bad news...I feel for Taha...

    wow this is pretty bad news...I feel for Taha because he moved his family to KL to be at the heart of this business :(

    I don't know about the regulatory requirements in North America but it would...
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    That is a fairly accurate summary. To me the...

    That is a fairly accurate summary.

    To me the aging of the Indian oil is for its end notes, another dimension is introduced to it with age.
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    Sticky: @Andrew Did he give any explanation why "the...

    @Andrew

    Did he give any explanation why "the last bits come out like this" ?

    It is only some of the cultivated indian oils that get cloudy when cooled below room temperature, this is due to...
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    Sticky: If you are really interested to know why the oil...

    If you are really interested to know why the oil is cloudy, just heat a bit of it to 45 degrees C, and observe it's behavior.

    If it becomes clear, then returns back to cloudy when cooled down,...
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    Sticky: @bigbloke A barnyard with an elephant in it...

    @bigbloke
    A barnyard with an elephant in it every 4-5 years, isn't too bad. :D
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    Sticky: @bigbloke If I understood your question, you...

    @bigbloke

    If I understood your question, you are wondering whether a "stinky, pongy, beastly Hindi oud oil" will remain as such after a few years. The answer is no. After about 5-6 years of good...
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    Malaysia has different species of Oudh, and even...

    Malaysia has different species of Oudh, and even the same species grown in different parts of Malaysia offer different scent profiles. I personally rank the offerings of Malaysia highly, and...
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    Dipping valuable woods with oils into water is...

    Dipping valuable woods with oils into water is not something you want to do often. As the water dries it brings up the oils to the surface which then oxidize and evaporate.

    That piece is beautiful!
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    Sticky: @kc3dl Yes totally agree, there are those oils...

    @kc3dl

    Yes totally agree, there are those oils that are just not oudh or are adulterated and regardless how much time you give them it doesn't get any better.
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    Sticky: sometimes oils that have had all the right boxes...

    sometimes oils that have had all the right boxes ticked; old wild tree, high quality wood, artisan distillation....smelled wonderful when first distilled and as it aged became awful. This is the less...
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    there is an idiom that fits this situation, 'good...

    there is an idiom that fits this situation, 'good things come in small packages', the era of good oils in large quantities is long gone.
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    Sticky: @Jdhawk50 could you take a shot going with the...

    @Jdhawk50

    could you take a shot going with the grain at the same resolution, i.e looking down the grains rather than across them.

    Thanks in advance
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    Sticky: @kyarazen Collectibles similar to beauty is to...

    @kyarazen

    Collectibles similar to beauty is to the beholder, and what the beholder wants to pay is going to be determined on how much value (sentimental, traditional, religious...etc) it has to...
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    Keep that in mind when I have a blocked nose :P...

    Keep that in mind when I have a blocked nose :P on a serious note, nice article. Thanks for sharing.
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    Sticky: @Jdhawk50 Appreciate the kindness and offer,...

    @Jdhawk50

    Appreciate the kindness and offer, still trying to sort out utilization requirements with the lab, will PM you once I sort that out. I do have some tips from the tech at the lab that...
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    @Fungusamongus...

    @Fungusamongus

    You are in luck! my friend had some of the Hawaiian left and I bought some samples bottles. I have been trying it on since Yesterday the draw down on this is sweet and rosey. I wore...
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    Sticky: @Jdhawk50...

    @Jdhawk50

    Thanks for the pics :thumbsup:

    I myself don't have a microscope, but the lab we work with does. I totally agree, collecting Kyara is an expensive hobby, recently a friend was...
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    Sticky: hey Fungusamongus No your question is fair...

    hey Fungusamongus

    No your question is fair and I'll try my best to answer within the general topics;

    a. extraction methods (every one distiller has their methodology),

    b. essential oil...
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    Sticky: @powdernose Thanks for the suggestions, I am...

    @powdernose

    Thanks for the suggestions, I am happy to share what we can. There are certain things we cant share, but for the most part we are happy to share our knowledge and experiences. We have...
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    Sticky: @Jdhawk50 With that lovely find someone is...

    @Jdhawk50

    With that lovely find someone is obviously sleeping very comfortably.

    @Kyarazen

    I have just come across your website, and I love your work. I believe for the future of Oudh that...
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    @kc3dl Taha does put his heart in his work,...

    @kc3dl

    Taha does put his heart in his work, and his philosophy around blending is very balanced. Full credits to him :thumbsup:

    If you are going to wear it on your skin than maybe try to put...
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    @kc3dl try the french handkerchief trick :D

    @kc3dl

    try the french handkerchief trick :D
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    Sticky: @ListensClosely...

    @ListensClosely

    That is indeed an interesting exercise that you will be undertaking and I await eagerly for your findings :D

    on a separate note, that London store does actually carry some of...
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    Sticky: ASAQ, AO, AArabia, Ajmal, Syed Junaid etc all do...

    ASAQ, AO, AArabia, Ajmal, Syed Junaid etc all do have top grade Oudh chips but the staff only take who they consider high flyers to the "VIP" room to show them those pieces. In away it is...
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    @Fungusamongus It is a fiddly thing trying to...

    @Fungusamongus

    It is a fiddly thing trying to get rid of the "ash tray" profile as you put it, and whilst a copper pot or copper neck would help, it would lose the exciting aspect that the Hawaii...
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    Syed Junaid do a wood powdery Musk called Musk...

    Syed Junaid do a wood powdery Musk called Musk Shafaf it is very wearable fairly balance and unisex. Balance is important when talking about Musk and they have got it right. It is a combination of...
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    I just came across this, and noted some familiar...

    I just came across this, and noted some familiar names :P

    In Australia we have some very old trees available locally and one of our friends is in the depth of this in the Asia-Pac region with whom...
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