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  1. Thread: Triplal

    by Milhaus
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    Triplal

    Hi,
    i am now playing with triplal and i have found their substantivity is only 1 hour ( 1% ethanol dilution ) instead 24h mentioned on goodscent site. Please what is your experience with this...
  2. Re: Making a white rose accord out of natural isolates.

    IMHO this is not orris absolute due low content of irones 1%. Orris absolute does have around 70% irones probably even more. So this must be orris butter.
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    Hi Nizan,
    check this:
    https://books.google.cz/books?id=ekwDCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA212&dq=violet+top+notes&hl=cs&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpsNXxyrrJAhVGTBQKHbApCqw4ChDoAQgxMAM#v=onepage&q=violet%20top%20notes&f=false...
  4. Re: Learning About Musk From Chanel's Perfumers...

    Hi Jamie,
    orris butter and orris absolute are different. Orris absolute is much much stronger with sharp dry woody notes missing in orris butter. Orris Givco is much better replacer, but i dont like...
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    Re: top or middle notes ?

    Hi David,
    if PEA last on strip 26 hours it is base note ?
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    Glass bottle with dropper

    Hi,
    does anybody have experience with these glass bottles with dropper ?
    ...
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    Re: top or middle notes ?

    Thanks David,
    good to know your experience.

    What other perfumers here ? Are you working with top/middle/base notes, vapour pressures ... ?
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    Re: top or middle notes ?

    I was talking about Undecavertol and Hyacinth body, MOC lasts even longer - around 2 days. I have thought top/middle/base notes are related to volatility ( vapor pressure ) not substantivity. I need...
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    Re: top or middle notes ?

    If you asking me David, it lasts around 20 hours.
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    top or middle notes ?

    Hi,
    please are Undecavertol , methyl octine carbonate and Hyacinth body top or middle notes ? IMHO they are middle notes, but i am not sure, because i have found somewhere they are top notes.
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    Re: Timbersilk + vertofix

    i am using Virginian cedarwood oil
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    Timbersilk + vertofix

    Hi,
    Because i like cedarwood in combination with warm notes of Vertofix i have created simple cedar accord:

    Timbersilk 10
    Vertofix 2
    cedarwood oil 1
    But Vertofix ( Hexapus ) does have little...
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    OK i thought it, IFF and Givaudan are very reliable sources.
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    Never thougt ionones could be used at such concentration even in violet soliflore... You have probably very good quality. Most of my ionones have harsh woody/orris notes ( the worst are beta ionone...
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    IMHO it is better to use Narcissus abs instead ylang ( if money are not important ). Or you can use PCPA in traces with jasmonates ( naturally occuring in violets ).
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    I have not smelled Misia, but it does contain around 20% Raldeine A and 20% isoraldeine 95 !!! I cannot imagine such deadly dose of ionones.....
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    Gilles Romey who works for Rochas desciption of Violet odour:
    No less than 6 scents could be found, more or less expressed depending on the variety!
    I think that the scent of animal you found is in...
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    Yes different, irisone alpha alone does smell like violet flower. Alpha ionone white coeur does have strong woody note which degrade the floral part of alpha ionone.
    I have got small sample from...
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    Irisone alpha is refined version of alpha ionone ( higher content of (R)-(+)-(E)-alpha-ionone enantiomer ) + i add tiny amount of beta ionone and dihydro beta ionone.
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    Hi Nizan,
    try small amounts of Hedione, ISO E super, Heliotropine is also good to enhance violet note. It is very important to use Irisone alpha instead alpha ionone. It is much more violet/floral...
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    exalting beta damascenone

    Hi,
    it is possible to support/exalt or replace IFRA restricted beta-damascenone in drydown ?
  22. Re: Making a white rose accord out of natural isolates.

    I have no clue what is Citronellol Pure, but Rhodinol should contain laevo citronellol. If you replace laevo citronellol with citronellol, it will be different. But it is very hard to find Rhodinol...
  23. Re: Making a white rose accord out of natural isolates.

    Scent&Chemistry Formula called "Rosabel S&C"
    i have tried it several times and i dont like this accord. IMHO there is toooo much PEA, Gardenol, rose oxide...Maybe i have bad quaity aromachemicals ?...
  24. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    Great Paul, I look forward to it !
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    Re: Polysantol/Firsantol - use and experiences?

    Polysantol is IMHO very close to real sandalwood. But due sour/sweat note it is not used very often in modern fragrances.
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    Re: Chypre - labdanum or cistus?

    Cistus is steam distilled labdanum and it is much stronger and very different in odour from resin or absolute. My cistus oil does have very strong diffusive woody note and i love it. Labdanum resin...
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    Re: leavo citronellol

    I am also looking for it. But i doubt it is available somewhere in small amounts. Vigon does have natural citronellol for a good price which is probably L-citronellol.
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    leavo citronellol

    Hi,
    Does anyone know how many times stronger is laevo citronellol than common D citronellol ?


    Milos
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    Re: PWx odor enhancer

    It does have nearly no odour, there is no ambroxan or any musks. I agree there is probably Glucam P20 with something very slightly animalic.
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    Re: Roses, Again...

    I have tried Chamomile Roman with my rose accord and it add nice "green tea" background note and the rose smell more natural..
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    Re: Watery Green Base Notes...?

    IMHO: try Farnesol
  32. Thread: Centifolether

    by Milhaus
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    Re: Centifolether

    I have bought it from Chris and mine smell fruity ( but not like mandarin ) with distinctive exotic spicy note. I dont smell any rosy note and the green note is very subtle.
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    Re: Laevo rose oxide

    BTW what is substantivity of your racemic version of rose oxide for comparison ? Mine is only around 30minutes - i have read somewhere it should be 24hours....???
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    Re: Tuberique Alcohol ?

    Tuberique was company producing aldehydes and alcohols.
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    Re: Amber confusion

    Ambreine Samuelson alias Ambreine S is IMHO standart ambreine base. It is based on bergamot,vanillin ( legend say that Samuelson accidentally spilt a bottle of bergamot into a bag of vanillin and...
  36. Thread: Jubilation XXV

    by Milhaus
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    Re: Jubilation XXV

    And we have access to Timbersilk :)
  37. Thread: Jubilation XXV

    by Milhaus
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    Re: Jubilation XXV

    This is only basic skeleton. I bet there are many EOs and aromachemicals not listed. Simply compare them with nose and you will see how bad is GCMS :)
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    Re: Laevo rose oxide

    Goodscent mention laevo rose oxide substantivity 388 hours... but i smell it only one hour on blotter (1% dilution in IPM). What is your experience ?
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    Re: Jasmine Accords - how far we have come

    Indole, methyl anthranilate and jasmone make the middle note which lasts for ~2 days.
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    Re: Laevo rose oxide

    I have got the sample,
    in comparison to racemic rose oxide is Laevo rose oxide much softer (less green/metallic and more floral), sweeter with stronger diffusion. I have not tried it in my rose...
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    Re: Jasmine Accords - how far we have come

    Thanks,
    BTW: Jasmone from 1902 is much weaker than cis Jasmone used in modern perfumery.
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    Laevo rose oxide

    Hi,
    is there any big difference between laevo rose oxide and racemic rose oxide ? I would like to use it in my rose accord , but i am not sure if it's worth it ( the price is 3x times higher for me...
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    Re: Castoreum tincture

    Possible explosion of alcohol fumes may kill you faster than your wife :)
    I dont recommend to microwave alcohol at all !!! Instead boil water ( jug kettle ) pour into container and place bottle with...
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    Re: Violet Leaf Absolute

    Hi,
    yes i have violet leaf from perfumersworld and it is very strong. I have diluted the stock solution to 1%.
    BTW Poucher use 2% of 100% in the accords not in the final fragrances, but this amount...
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    Re: Castoreum tincture

    Yes, i have smelled castoreum tincture after 4 hours and it is much weaker than i have thought. Habanolide did not helped too much. Will try ambroxan, labdanum, civet...
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    Re: Rhodinol and terpeneless geranium

    No they are little different. Terpeneless geranium still contain many other additional constituents in comparison with pure rhodinol.
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    Castoreum tincture

    Hi,
    i am now playing with castoreum tincture and i love the rich sweet leather note, but the strength is weak in final alcoholic fragrance ( i have tried 10% of castoreum tincture in my fragrance ...
  48. Thread: Jasmine accord

    by Milhaus
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    Jasmine accord

    Hi, i have created simple jasmine accord and it does smell nicely on top, but middle note is mostly indolic. Probably i am missing something fruity/floral in the middle... ?

    40 hedione
    20...
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    Re: Ouds from Arcadi Boix

    Hi,
    i have got few agarwoods today from Arcadi. Please is there any rule which of them are natural and which are reconstruction ? There are some with BIO in the name and which does have sweeter...
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    Re: Benzyl Salicylate Question

    You are probably anosmic to it. It does work as modifier. It does smell balsamic with orchid like herbal nuance. Isobutyl salicylate is similar, but with stronger little different herbal note lacking...
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    Re: How to create rose soliflore

    Hi Nizan,
    yes it is here:

    40079

    40080

    I have tried to create it, but there is too much Triplal, Rose oxide, it is good to cut down also citral and lemon and maybe citronellol....Simply...
  52. Re: Where Can I Buy A Few Nice Glass Perfume Bottles?

    Hi ,
    if you need something luxurios check this supplier from our country: http://www.kosmetickesuroviny.cz/Luxusni-parfemove-lahvicky-c11_15_2.htm
  53. Thread: citronellol

    by Milhaus
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    Re: citronellol

    I cannot get it from Vigon, because i am hobbyst , not company :(
  54. Thread: citronellol

    by Milhaus
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    citronellol

    Hi,
    i am trying to create rose accord, but i cannot find good citronellol. I have tried Hexapus, PFW and few others, but all of them does have nuances which i dont like in rose accord. Any tips ?
    ...
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    Re: Sampaquita accord formula ((Jasmine Sambac)

    Givaudan Sampaquita is much complex. It does contain rose,tuberose notes hint of carnation...IMHO there is no indole and so big amount of Hedione High Cis. There are different green notes than you...
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    Re: Dorinia SA E - how did they do it?

    No Chamomile now ?
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    Re: Physicists / chemists wanted

    Essential oils contain many substances ( each of the substance does have his own evaporation curve - responsible for changing odour profile in time ). To make matters worse some substances like...
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    Re: Pure Ruh Galab (Indian Rose Oil) Samples

    Sample arrived today, thank you very much Christine
    As soon as I unwrapped the package, i smelled a whiff of strong Okoumal note coming from labels :)), but back to rose:
    IMHO Ruh Gulab is very...
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    "Orris Butter" , "Orris Concrete" and "Orris Absolute" are different stuffs. They are not the same. Irival, Orivone are also very different.
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    Re: Living Jasmine Accord

    It is not hard to make nice top/head jasmine accord, but i am now working on bottom of my jasmine absolute perfume.
    I have in the base:

    3 Hexyl cinnamic aldehyde
    5 Hedione
    1 Hedione Hi Cis
    0,1...
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    Re: Hedione vs Hedione high cis

    They are different. High cis version is less floral and more fresh/citrusy. There is different ratio of isomers.
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    Re: Dorinia SA E - how did they do it?

    IMHO it does look fine, maybe add citronellol,phenyl ethyl acetate, trace beta ionone then geranium oil and rose absolute to make the accord even more natural.
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    Re: Can someone identify these ingredients?

    Hi,
    line 8 290 - probably Bergamot
    line 14 20 - Bois de Rose - fits perfectly to this Bergamot/woody/vanilla fragrance
    line 15 4 - castoreum - leather note

    still missing jasmine note...
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    Siriam (Migros)

    Hi,
    i have bought vintage Siriam perfume and i love the sweet animalic diffusive musk inside. Anyone know what is inside ? I cannot not find any info about this perfume.

    37665
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    Re: Something about linalool by Philip Kraft

    They does have typo in their table. I have posted comment about it on his blog some weeks ago, but he did not published it.

    Vapor pressure of alpha terpineol is 0,042 not 0,0042. BTW freesia does...
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    Re: Dorinia SA E - how did they do it?

    IMHO the key ingredients in the Dorinia are damascones/damascenones , maybe Rose oxide ...
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    Solvent extraction of Boswelia

    Hi,
    i have raw Boswelia carterii resin. It is hard to make resinoid using solvent extraction at home ( ethanol as solvent... ) ?

    Milos
  68. Re: Making perfume basics. Fragrance alcohol and water. Any formula?

    Hi,
    i am using 96% ( probably made from molasse ) alcohol denaturated with small amount of bitrex, which does have practically no odour.
    I have just bought also 96% alcohol from local pharmacy...
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    Re: Lily of the Valley

    Hi Cybervoltage,
    yes i know about it, but their key accords are more artworks than real reconstructions of the smell ( for example the Gardenia key accord ) and i am trying to do it my own way.
    ...
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    Lily of the Valley

    Hi,
    i have created simple lily of the valley base:

    20 Lyral
    20 Farnesol
    40 Hydroxycitronellal
    5 linalool


    but now i need something fresh/stem/green ( middle/base note ). I have tried...
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    Sampaquita - substantivity

    Hi,
    i am playing with Sampaquita ( Givaudan ) , but the substantivity is max 2 hours :( I have tried to add musks ( Galaxolide, Habanolide ) and Hedione with little or no effect on substantivity of...
  72. Thread: Civet paste

    by Milhaus
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    Civet paste

    Hi,
    please i am looking for small amount of civet paste to make my own civet tincture. Please have you any tip for a source of cheap civet paste ?
  73. Re: Jasmine flower accord , cis jasmone, methyl jasmonate

    OK thank you very much. I have found it very cheaply on perfumersapprentice shop, so i will order it soon.
  74. Jasmine flower accord , cis jasmone, methyl jasmonate

    Hi,
    please how important is cis jasmone and methyl jasmonate in jasmine accords ? I have tried to add upto 4% methyl jasmonate ( which is nearly odourless to my nose ) to my jasmine flower accord....
  75. Thread: Samsara

    by Milhaus
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    Samsara

    Hi,
    i am trying to create fragrance similar to Samsara. I have started with heavy dose ( 40% ) of Chris Bartlett Sandalwood blend accord which is exceptionally rich and fine. Then i have added...
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    Oshadhi rose absolute

    Hi ,
    please does anyone use this rose absolute in perfumery ?

    http://www.oshadhi.co.uk/rose-absolute-rosa-damascena/
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    Re: Irival longevity

    OK now i understand,
    i did it once again with 100% Irival. The strength was strong for about 3 hours, then become weaker and weaker and after 5 hours i dont smell Irival at all. I did small 5min...
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    Re: Irival longevity

    Thanks David,
    BTW the substantivity 40+ is for undiluted stuff ? I am using 1% solution. Maybe 100x0.5hours=50 hours....or i am wrong ? So Irival at recomended concentration ( upto 3% in concetrate...
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    Irival longevity

    Hi,
    i am playing with Irival at 1% strength ( ethanol ) and it is very lovely strong orris note , but after 30-40minutes the smell completely disappear from the strip.I have thought Irival is base...
  80. Thread: Coumarin

    by Milhaus
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    Coumarin

    Hi,
    i am playing with chypre accords and i have found my coumarin does have distinctive medicinal/spicy note which i dont like. Maybe i have bad quality coumarin ?
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    Re: Cold Orris Ideas

    Hi Nizan ,
    try Irival.
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    Labdanum resinoid in chypre perfume

    Hi ,
    i have old chypre formula which does contain labdanum resinoid. I have only Labdanum ( cistus ) distilled oil ( old wood / ambery odour) and Labdanum absolute (leather/sweet semi-liquid oil )....
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    Yes i agree , there is Orris root absolute ( very expensive - clear liquid - my source 50$/ml ), orris butter ( waxy yellow solid - 10$/ml ) , orris resinoid ( brown semi - liquid 5$/ml ). Each of...
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    Orris root absolute is used in very low concentrations ~ 0.01% - 0.1% . It does act as modifier / exalting agent. You need to create iris accord ( using alpha, beta, dihydro beta , methyl ionones...
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    woody floral perfume base

    Hi,
    I don't know if it's a good idea to start creating perfume from base notes only, but here is my simple floral woody perfume base. Maybe it will be usefull for any beginners like me :)

    5...
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    Re: Mysterious gift in mail?

    From what i know Aramacs sell sandalwood FRAGRANCE/synthetic oil only.
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    Re: orris root note

    Thanks Paul,
    i know this accord. This is Iris flower accord. Orris note is made here with alpha-isomethyl ionone (i am using gamma), alpha ionone and alpha irone. Maybe i am anosmic to these...
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    Re: Hedione and Sandalwood

    Hi Nizan,
    after one year i have found most of aromachemicals i have bought from PerfumersWorld are poor quality. I have lost plenty of money and time ( blending accords ). I dont know if the quality...
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    orris root note

    Hi,
    i am trying to create sweet orris root note ( towards orivone, orris resinoid ) for my violet perfume. I have tried alpha irone, dihydro ionone beta, methyl ionone gamma, orris givco and...
  90. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    In older formula is often mentioned Oakmoss absolute ( Camilli ). Dominique Camilli of Molinard is perfumer.
  91. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    I dont see any cinnamon note mentioned on fragrantica http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/Guerlain/Mitsouko-Eau-de-Parfum-25316.html
  92. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    I dont see any amber note ...
    BTW what does mean Portugal deterpené 10%...?
  93. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    That is probably orris absolute. This is very strong orris note. Orris butter give more floral/waxy note. I have thought 7% of oakmoss is strooong - i am using only 3% in my Mitsouko version. 10% of...
  94. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    Renegade do you mean orris absolute or orris butter ? The orris note is made here with methyl ionone ( gamma will be stronger ), but we need to support it with orris butter or orris absolute to make...
  95. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    I am using 3% of methyl iso eugenol. But i have never smelled vintage Mitsouko :(
  96. Re: How to built a Chypre ( Mitsouko direction) accord.

    Hi,
    i am trying to improve Mitsouko formula posted above. I have replaced Ethyl cinnamate with cinnamic alcohol - IMHO it does fit better in lilac heart and with amber base. I have added...
  97. Thread: Hekserij

    by Milhaus
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    Hekserij

    Hi,
    i will be ordering soon from EU version of this shop. I am interested also in their Bergamot FCF EO , but it is available only in the Netherland version of this shop. I have contacted them...
  98. Thread: Muscenone

    by Milhaus
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    Re: Muscenone

    Here in EU sell Muscenone Hekserij in small amounts.
  99. Thread: Beta ionone

    by Milhaus
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    Re: Beta ionone

    This could explain why i am not able to prepare nice violet accord :) I cannot get ionones/methyl ionone from Givaudan, so i will try to buy them from Hekserij ... hope the quality will be better.
  100. Thread: Pipettes

    by Milhaus
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    Re: Pipettes

    37,96 € for one pipette is too much, the price is for whole package ( 1000pcs )

    Milos
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