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  1. Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play? closes Sept 22nd

    I haven't decided on my three materials yet, but I have some ideas. I will probably dilute them in DPG if they are strong or if I don't have enough pure material. I tend to only buy quite small...
  2. Re: Blind nose training: who wants to play?

    I would love to join the party too if it's not too late. I live in Ireland and although we're not officially supposed to send liquids of any sort (!) through the post, in reality 3 small 1ml vials in...
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    Re: Natural Coconut Fragrance Mystery

    They could be using natural isolates of gamma octalactone or gamma nonalactone. Coincidentally, I noticed just today that Perfumer's Apprentice will soon carry the former.
  4. Re: First 25-50 Aroma Chemicals - Newbie Starter Kit

    Actually, Chris has already suggested 4 seperate groups to buy in order. See here. That's what you meant, right?
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    Re: Patchouli Soliflore

    The ones that come to mind immediately:

    Synthetics: Vanillin / Ethylvanillin, Iso E Super / Timbersilk

    Natural: Rose
  6. Re: Sandalwood essential for beard oil

    Did not know this... is there a reference you can remember?
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    Re: Watery Green Base Notes...?

    Lyral? (Seeing as you mentioned some other muguet types...)
  8. Re: Had My First Sales Event-- my experience so far...

    Well done! Wishing you continued success.
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    Re: Perfumerbook.com by Glen O. Brechbill

    See some of the comments here: http://www.basenotes.net/threads/370997-Perfumebook
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    Re: Male Underarm Sweat Accord

    Something onion-y?
  11. Thread: New Article

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    Re: New Article

    What a fantastic looking "lab" mumsy! What is in that huge test tube you're sniffing?
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    http://i57.tinypic.com/29egc5i.jpg
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  13. Re: Fragrance Oils = synthetics. So why variances in quality???

    Do you know how it compares to Lindenol (IFF) Paul?
  14. Thread: Tuber smell

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    Re: Tuber smell

    From Wikipedia:
  15. Thread: Tuber smell

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    Re: Tuber smell

    Ah, looks like a black truffle. I think I read on this forum of someone doing a tincture of black truffle? Personally I've never even smelled one. Something to look forward to!
  16. Re: Inducing Temporary Selective Odor Fatigue (ITSOF)

    Yes! I've used this in trying to figure out lots of fragrances. Very helpful, especially if you have a good idea of the basic structure of the perfume you're trying to copy. So you mix up a basic...
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    Re: Violet Accord Formula

    Yes, methyl ionone to be exact, like in the formula at the top of this thread. 95 is slightly more violet like and 70 slightly more orris like. Really though, they're all quite difficult to tell...
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    Re: Violet Accord Formula

    Yes, I would dilute. They are fairly strong chemicals, plus many people get olfactory fatigue smelling the ionones and can't smell them at all after a few sniffs. You might find you can smell them...
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    Re: Violet Accord Formula

    It will be very interesting to see if you are anosmic to Alpha or Beta Ionone (or any of the other ionones for that matter). I take it you haven't got any of those yet? Well worth trying if you...
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    Re: Clarification on cinnamon aromachemicals?

    Cinnamic alcohol actually smells relatively mild, to me at least. Styrax contains it, and that's what it mainly reminds me of. Cinnamon contains some eugenol too, so if you want spicy then maybe that...
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    Re: Sweet fruity top notes

    Maybe you could modify these fruity notes with some floral-fruity chemicals like phenyl ethyl acetate, geranyl acetate. Linalool could work well. Other fruity top notes: methyl benzoate, benzyl...
  22. Re: Little question about Benzoin from a newbie

    By IFRC do you mean IFRA? As far as I can make out they do not have a restriction standard for Benzoin. I may have missed it. Where did you get that information?
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    Re: Input on making a green floral scent?

    Have you actually mixed it up and smelled it?
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    Re: IFRA-safe wormwood equivalent?

    I don't see any mention of Wormwood Oil, or any artemesia in the standards listed on the IFRA site, do you? Or even Thujone. Is there something else in it that makes it IFRA "unsafe"?
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    Re: Ambergris in the UK

    Have you seen either of these?

    http://www.ambergris.fr/

    http://www.ambergris.co.nz/

    Both say they buy ambergris. One in France, the other in New Zealand. You'd have to send them a small...
  26. Re: Methyl heptine carbonate methyl octine carbonate

    I saw this "Neofolione" the other day. Might be useful.
  27. Re: Interested in trying Mysore Sandalwood oil as a fragrance, what to expect?

    Congrats on your find Rowannicus. It's nice how that oil ended up with someone who clearly appreciates it. I got some beautiful old Fritzsche Brothers East Indian sandalwood oil a few weeks ago....
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    Re: Clean Woods Like Norlimbanol

    Ambrocenide is another one along those lines.
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    Re: ciis-iii-hexanol/Leaf Acetate

    Hermitage and Olfactik both stock cis-3-hexenol and cis-3-hexenol acetate. I'm not sure what you mean by the aldehyde...
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    Re: frankincense accords

    Yikes. That's fair enough Adam. So how would you describe the smell, if you wouldn't mind? I take it you didn't really get "burning frankincense" from it? I wonder if it's one of those materials that...
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    Re: frankincense accords

    Adam, any word on Frankincense Pyrogenated ("Fumencens")?
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    Re: frankincense accords

    Well, the Ventos stuff is thicker than the Frankincense EOs I have - similar to Sandalwood oil in consistency I suppose, not very thick.
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    Re: frankincense accords

    Also, there is this "Olibanum Coeur" from Ventos described as "olibanum resinoid refined by molecular distillation". I don't see any mention of a diluent on that PDF. I got a small sample, thanks to...
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    Re: Hermitage Oils and Pell Wall Join Forces

    Excellent, thanks Chris and Paul, that clears it up. Sounds like I'll be getting some BQS then. "Louder" sounds good.

    I did get some 6-methylquinoline recently too and that is a very interesting...
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    Re: Hermitage Oils and Pell Wall Join Forces

    Chris, I noticed you've added Butyl Quinoline Secondary - is it sufficiently different to Pyralone, which I have, to warrant purchase, or is it really very similar? Also, have you ever used Iso...
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    Re: Making Myrrh More Palatable

    I love the smell of myrrh, and did since I first smelled it, but haven't yet used it much in perfumes. It is, to me, quite an unusual, medicinal scent with a cooling, meditative feel to it, and yet...
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    Re: pheromone use in perfumery

    Could you describe the smell please?
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    Re: Recreating A Living Pink Rose

    Try some beta-Ionone as well.
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    Re: home made Molecule 01

    Don't know if you've seen this Chris, but on the Scent & Chemistry Facebook page they say it is Iso Gamma Super, according to their GC results.
  40. Thread: Ambergris

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    Re: Ambergris

    Good to know, thanks for that. I'll have to try it some time.
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    Re: Ambroxan question

    Don't know about the concentration thing, but for me Timbersilk is certainly noticeably different from Iso E Super - drier and perhaps even sweeter in a sense. Then, it is also stronger smelling than...
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    Re: Orris root powder

    I got some Irival from creatingperfume.com and it's more of a carrot-seed like cold orris top/middle note (very much like Serge Lutens' Iris Silver Mist if you've tried that). I think the description...
  43. Thread: Ambergris

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    Re: Ambergris

    Thanks Andria. One and a half years later! So it's not one of those "barely there" tinctures. What kind of tenacity does it have? If you've tried it on a strip, how long does the scent last?
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    Re: What smells like sea salt, beach?

    As it's been mentioned, I got some Maritima this week and I can not smell it at all. I've tried diluting it to 1% and 0.01%... nothing! I gave a strip with the 1% solution to someone else and they...
  45. Re: NYC Perfume Fabrication House. and Chandler's swipe at Natural Perfumery

    Yes, thanks Paul for sharing the article and your own philosophy - very inspiring.
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    Re: Coumarin crystalsqq

    It doesn't matter, but in my case it would be grams. I wouldn't need 100 ounces of a coumarin solution, that would be way too much for me. I would make up about 30 grams (a bit more than an ounce) of...
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    Re: Rose Otto Aroma Chemicals

    The rose base Dorinia SA from Firmenich is available too. Perfumer's Apprentice, Hermitage Oils and Hexapus stock it. Might not be for you though if it has to be non-petroleum derived.
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    Re: Cepes (mushroom)

    Well, cut white button mushrooms always remind me very much of myrrh, which also reminds me a little of cis-jasmone or dihydrojasmone. Have you experienced any of those materials?
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    Re: Can synthetic musks lose potency?

    Yes, I got it from Perfumers Apprentice. It seems pretty strong to me, although I don't really use it much. It's along the same lines as Norlimbanol.
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    Re: Can synthetic musks lose potency?

    Have you tried diluting it way down Nizan? Or in combination with other materials? I remember I had trouble smelling Cedramber and Boisambrene Forte.
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    Re: UK/EU source of 2-5mL sample bottles

    There are some mini atomizers (2ml) here (and a good selection of other little bottles), I'm guessing the cap is snap on - there's no photo so you might need to email them. €14 for 20 bottles but I'm...
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    Re: Storax, orientalis or styraciflua?

    Good to know Pears, thanks for sharing. Also, I forgot to mention, when I compared PA's Styrax Essence to the real Styrax Resinoid the former actually seemed to last a bit longer on a strip. So, a...
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    Re: Iso E Super, Molecule 01, Etc...

    Actually, I read this recently on Scent & Chemistry's Facebook page. I'll paste it here incase the link doesn't work for you.


    "Just discovered this on www.kaufhaus-mittl.de, … so apparently it...
  54. Thread: Mango

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    Re: Mango

    Interesing that you find the Paradisamide so strong - when I first got some I couldn't smell it at all. It took some time before I could smell it. One of those weird ones...
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    Re: Sounds Silly But Could it Work?????

    http://mistralni.co.uk/collections/alcohols/products/perfumers-alcohol

    I can recommend this stuff. It's well priced and includes free delivery for UK & Ireland.
  56. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Oh, I meant the "Fumencens" from Payan Bertrand is supposed to be smokey, sorry - bad writing on my part. No, I don't find the Robertet Bois d'Encens smokey either. It's not bad at all, but I was...
  57. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Adam, here's one for you: "Fumencens" from Payan Bertrand - ever deal with them? It is "Obtained by special slow destructive distillation of olibanum gum (Boswellia carterii Birdw)". I got the Bois...
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    Re: Less volatile alternatives to linalool

    Not everyone washes every day.

    Have you considered using Lyral or Hydroxycitronellal to add to the freshness?
  59. Thread: Fecal notes

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    Re: Fecal notes

    The description under the picture on the Scent and Chemistry Facebook page I linked to says that the Dior perfume contains 5.1% (–)-Ambrox. And lots of Iso E Super too.

    I didn't mean to dispute...
  60. Thread: Fecal notes

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    Re: Fecal notes

    This may be a bit irrelevant, as ambergris isn't really an animal product as such, but I was reading this article recently by Sylvaine Delacourte, who holds some position at Guerlain and was...
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    Re: Blotter evaluation vs skin evaluation

    Yes, I too have noticed this muddying effect when testing blends on skin. I also think it must be due to more than just the temperature difference. Even with commercial perfumes I usually notice a...
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    Re: Good heliotope

    I asked Perfumer's Apprentice if their "Heliotropin replacer 50%" was actually 50% heliotropin in a solvent of some sort. All they could tell me was that it contains heliotropin. Make of that what...
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    Re: Must Have Equipment for your "Lab"

    If you have scales and are working by weight then why not just use small glass pasteur pipettes with a teat? They're very inexpensive and you can even wash them and reuse them if you can be bothered....
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    Re: Storax, orientalis or styraciflua?

    Okay, I compared the "Styrax Essence" I have from Perfumer's Apprentice with the Styrax Resinoid from Hermitage. They are very similar. The resinoid is, however, a bit stronger, more rich and lively...
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    Re: Storax, orientalis or styraciflua?

    Perfumer's Apprentice have "Styrax Essence" but I'm not actually sure exactly what it is. They describe it as a "purified styrax blend" - the "blend" part makes me think it might be some kind of...
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    Re: How can i make perfumers alcohol??

    If you can get pure 95% alcohol then you don't need to add anything at all to it.
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    Re: Chanel No 5 Formula

    You might find the aldehydes soften after aging for a while.
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    Re: Schiff's bases

    The Indolene I bought doesn't seem that strong to me or long lasting. Is that typical of Indolene or is it perhaps a bad sample of it? From what I've observed, I don't consider either Indole or...
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    Re: difference between eugenol and isoeugenol

    Also, isoeugenol lasts far longer (more of a basenote).
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    Re: Good MUSK combos?

    Of the above-mentioned I've tried Cosmone, Velvione and Muscenone, but the only nitro musk I have is Musk Ketone. They are all very useful, especially for dry powdery effects similar to Musk Ketone....
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    Re: What is the closest to Cashmeran?

    Smelling it recently I thought it reminded me a bit of popcorn... anyone else?
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    Re: Best aroma-chemicals suppliers in Europe?

    A few more that might be interesting:

    Isopropyl quinoline
    6-methyl quinoline
    Apritone (Bedoukian)

    Note that I have no experience with any of these so I don't know if they are very useful or...
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    Re: What Material Causes the Soapy Aroma

    If it remains on the skin after a shower then it's probably something long-lasting like a musk, possibly in combination with other base-note materials. Don't know about the rose part though...
  74. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    How much does shipping to Israel actually cost, Nizan? I paid EUR 16.15 (within EU) for nine small bottles.

    On the Texas Cedar Coeur, which I had pre-ordered, I got an email today saying the oil...
  75. Interesting that different batches of oils are...

    Interesting that different batches of oils are blended together for a more consistent odour profile. I thought they'd just blend everything together. Does this mean that some amount of oil is left...
  76. Thread: Ebony wood

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    Re: Ebony wood

    It doesn't really match your description but my only guess is that "Ebony wood" is a more romantic way of saying Ebanol, a sandalwood smelling chemical from Givaudan.
  77. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    "Frankincense wood" - is that Robertet's "Bois d'Encens" olibanum/cedarwood co-extraction? That would be nice to try...
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    Re: Honeysuckle absolute from Haven Essence

    My advice is to buy very small amounts of material at first. Many suppliers sell 1 - 2 ml quantities of expensive things like absolutes. If you dilute these you can actually get a lot out of them in...
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    Re: Honeysuckle absolute from Haven Essence

    JEBeasley, I see MedicineFlower sell "Ambergris Absolute" at $13.58 for 1 gram. Just for comparison, the only other supplier I know of for ambergris absolute, Douglas Stewart / Scentsual Antiquities,...
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    Re: Coumarin crystalsqq

    I go by weight for everything if possible, especially solids like coumarin. I don't know how you'd do it otherwise... it would be difficult to guess. Of course you can play around with the ratios,...
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    Re: Coumarin crystalsqq

    I dissolved some recently in a combination of DPG and ethanol. 10% coumarin, about 25% DPG and the rest ethanol. I did try it before with ethanol only and that resulted in the coumarin falling out of...
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    Re: Saffron Based Frag's

    So what do you think about Safraleine Paul? Smells like saffron to me...
  83. Re: Article: Tri-dimensional and Spiritual Perfumes

    Profumo, did you read the last paragraph of Bruce Bolmes' article in this series? I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.
  84. Nice illustrations too!

    Nice illustrations too!
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    Re: Article: Ambergris

    Alexis, if you are reading this, I'm curious; you describe your ambergris as a "viscous oil". Could you expand on exactly what this is? I am more familiar with the alcoholic tincture.
  86. Thread: Perfumebook

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    Re: Perfumebook

    Can someone point me towards whichever of his writings actually offer useful, original advice? I just looked at "The Floral Notes of Fragrance" PDF and all I see is a bitter rant about the perfume...
  87. Thread: Perfumebook

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    Re: Perfumebook

    A quick bit of research seems to indicate that these are nothing but compilations of copied texts from around the web. Take a few sentences from any of the articles and type them into Google (the PDF...
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    Re: Anosmic to sandalwood recreations

    Even go down to 0.1%. I had it at that concentration in a perfume and it was the last thing I could smell on my skin. Great longevity.
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    Re: żżUp to Top from base??

    Most of the frankincense oils I've had have consisted of mostly top/middle notes. But, as has been discussed here before, it depends how the material was distilled. Resinoids, absolutes, tinctures...
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    Re: Reference rose materials: Redux

    Yep, that's the right idea. And working in the garage would be wise I think until you get it reasonably diluted - you don't want to contaminate your space especially when you're trying to analyse the...
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    Re: Reference rose materials: Redux

    You might be better off diluting the natural rose materials down to 1%, especially the otto. As you noted, they can smell very dense in high concentration.

    Maybe also get some Damascones from...
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    Re: Linalool % of concentrate?

    Try something like a floral absolute, if you have a heavy smelling jasmin abs for example, and add 0.5 - 1% linalool (as a percentage of the finished product) and you should see the freshening effect...
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    Re: Shalimar for men - which vintage?

    I've only ever tried the vintage versions of the EDC and Parfum. The EDC is great - the leathery note, which I would bet comes from castoreum tincture, really comes through in the top notes. It's...
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    Re: Tincture Ratios

    Well, I'm no chemist but I think citric acid would be acidic (please correct me if I'm wrong, experts). This question came up in a another thread where bicarbonate of soda was mentioned amongst other...
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    Re: Does anybody wear Castoreum alone!

    I had a small sample of Profumo's Castoreum and I wore it alone a few times, even to the shops. I doubt anyone could have smelled it on me anyway - I remember it being fairly dilute and not very...
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    Re: Tincture Ratios

    See here:

    http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015000804453;view=1up;seq=44
  97. Re: Guerlain Djedi......... Eau De Toilette ??? !!!

    I wonder if mummy powder would be allowed by IFRA today...
  98. Re: Ethanol questions - cane, grape, grain -preferences? differences?

    I wouldn't worry about it so much. I use denatured alcohol because it's much cheaper and I'm not in the habit of drinking my perfumes. Okay, it smells stronger than un-denatured alcohol but once it...
  99. Re: Who sells a good, budget friendly, uncut, vanilla fragrance oil?

    Thanks for the link. I don't understand Dutch but I watched it anyway, very interesting. So what was their conclusion? Did they determine that it was or was not generally used in ice-cream?

    I have...
  100. Re: NPR Radio Interview now available for listening... - with Paul Kiler, PK Perfumes

    Thanks for sharing Paul, nice to hear you talk.
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