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    Re: Truffle middle note

    try using 2,4-dithiapentane
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    Re: Ambergris - Confirmation and hints

    well not with any certainty, but based on your photo and your description that it is "unctuous and greasy"
    am thinking it is a type of wax, fat, and or grease mix.....
  3. Re: Discrepancy Determining IFRA-compliant concentration of EO by its constituents and by EO itself

    have a look at the Annex to the standards;
    www.ifraorg.org/view_document.aspx?docId=22268

    they explain you can use your analysis of the materials.....

    This Annex gives indicative maximum...
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    Re: Ambergris - Confirmation and hints

    sorry to say that is not ambergris....
  5. Thread: Gcms

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    Re: Gcms

    vikramaditya,

    for whatever reason the person that ran the library searches did not change / or set the match factor, not sure what machine was used,
    but if you look near the search headings you...
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    Re: Musks finding, need help

    um, muscone is a ketone rather than a lactone.....
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    Re: M7 mystery ingredient?

    http://getentry.ddbj.nig.ac.jp/getentry/na/KC416199/?filetype=html

    DEFINITION Paraconiothyrium sporulosum strain YK-03 internal transcribed
    spacer 1, partial sequence; 5.8S ribosomal...
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    Re: M7 mystery ingredient?

    YK03 is the strain id of Paraconiothyrium sporulosum fungus, 1 might designate the configuration of the constituent isolated
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    Re: Source needed for Jasmine Concrete

    have you tried libertynatural.com, they used to sell a number of concretes
  10. Re: Schiff's Base (=*Immine)*Formation in Perfumes Kinetics

    well the acetal will be stable.....
    of course we know hydrolysis will reverse it, just as hydrolysis will reverse an imine......
  11. Re: Schiff's Base (=*Immine)*Formation in Perfumes Kinetics

    how can it not matter;

    step 1;
    I mix my aldehyde with the alcohol, to form the acetal. [ x parts rose absolute to x parts aldehyde accord, warm to 80f, agitate for 1 hour, cool and blend with...
  12. Re: Schiff's Base (=*Immine)*Formation in Perfumes Kinetics

    I think the mixing sequence might matter,
    many aldehydes are used diluted, and in most cases in ethanol, those aldehydes are now protected.

    ethanol is not the only alcohol that will react, any...
  13. Re: Schiff's Base (=*Immine)*Formation in Perfumes Kinetics

    but in a perfume an aldehyde could react with excess alcohols first and form acetals, and the imine formation may never start.
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    Re: Oxidation of molecules question

    alcohol-musks? what is an alcohol musk?

    "animal produced them as part of its scent for a good reason"
    the reason they are found is they are the precursor to the ketones, which are the parts of...
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    Re: Oxidation of molecules question

    The corresponding alcohols of the macro cyclic ketones are really very low in odor profile if any and have never been useful in perfumery.
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    Re: recreating Japanese Cypress (Hinoki) ?

    Why are you trying to recreate hinoki, can't you simply use the hinoki essential oil ?
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    Re: How would I make my own crude Jasmine oil?

    Whitelotusaromatics sells 3 jasmine essential oils.
  18. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    I would agree, especially that clear part,

    possibly an addendum;
    I believe the 500 dalton rule must apply
    temperature
    if the skin is exposed or covered, maybe not that important.....
  19. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    I think you would agree that trans dermal drug delivery is completely different as compared to trans dermal essential oil constituent absorption
    excess eugenol uptake effects from topically applied...
  20. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    it is my understanding the avascular epidermis is sectioned into 5 layers, and it was also my understanding the dermis has 2 avascular connective tissue layers.
    arbitrary or not there can be...
  21. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    but David, I did not mention bloodstream absorption in any of my earlier posts......when discussing the 500 Dalton rule.
    I was deliberate in not doing so, my first mention of bloodstream absorption...
  22. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    exactly, I am not an aromatherapist, I do not know how essential oils would be applied, but I have read that a number of essential oils should be avoided
    given certain circumstances, e.g. ...
  23. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    I am lost with that,

    what claim are you referring too ?
  24. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    the MW [molecular weight] of under 500 Dalton is the maximum accepted threshold for skin absorption.

    as an example all of the listed IFRA skin allergens and materials listed as restricted for...
  25. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    I don't believe I stated that "the only controlling factor for chemicals to pass through undamaged skin is molecular size/weight"
  26. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    That is a good question,
    I think so, but the amount is miniscule, first of all a couple of sprays might be 0.2 ml of the fragrance
    assuming what I have read that 1ml gives 5-7 sprays...
    then that...
  27. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    there is a waterproof protein that prevents this.

    however water can be absorbed in the outer skin layer....also water can act as a carrier to speed up skin absorption of a chemical...

    many...
  28. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    yes David, that is correct, and as you mentioned essential oils are mixtures so they are absorbed by each molecule.

    now if there are any benefits / healing results to this I do not know......
  29. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    Nicotine is absorbed through the skin.
    There is no need for a carrier.

    There are NO constituents/molecules of any essential oil larger than 500 daltons....
    even the heavy synthetic musks are...
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    Re: Degrees of Naturalness

    that is a good one !!
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    Re: Degrees of Naturalness

    but it is non the less natural lavender, rather than a synthetic
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    Re: Degrees of Naturalness

    so therefore a cloned human would have a soul, yes?
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    Re: Degrees of Naturalness

    well if it smells like a fish, it must be a fish no?
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    Re: Degrees of Naturalness

    you lost me there ?
    "something none of us would call a lavender essential oil"

    so your are suggesting synthetic vanillin could be called natural vanillin ?
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    Re: Degrees of Naturalness

    Current labeling laws and standards in the US and the EU are very precise on naturals, degrees of naturalness only would complicate and or could
    contradict current regulations, in my opinion, in as...
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    Re: Degrees of Naturalness

    But at what point does manipulation cross the line ?
    If a human would be cloned from the dna found in a skin cell, would that human be natural ?

    If dna is coded by a computer. then created in a...
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    Re: Tobacco leaf essential oil

    well nicotine is an oxygen free alkaloid so it is a volatile liquid, my guess is what you think might be an essential oil
    could very well be predominantly nicotine.
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    Re: Review: Auram Tonkin 4768-6/D

    "It is full strength like musk absolute"

    could you explain what musk absolute is?

    "This is a scientifically accurate reproduction"

    how could this be possible?

    the minor constituents are...
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    Re: What do you call this bottle and cap type?

    Paul,

    am wondering if neoprene stoppers would work with the bottles you have, neoprene is good up to 250 F
  40. Thread: Petunia

    by luigi_g
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    Re: Petunia

    umm, Petunia flowers are edible, chefs use them all the time in season
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    Re: Copyright question

    Allured Publishing bought the copyrights from Arctander's wife some time ago.
    You could contact them with your questions.
  42. Re: Musk Pods and Musk Distilled on Sandalwood (Attar) from Pakistan

    David,
    I wasn't trying to confuse the subject, I was only pointing out the fact that indigenous peoples have very different ways,
    often looked upon as primitive, or objectionable by outsiders.
    ...
  43. Re: Musk Pods and Musk Distilled on Sandalwood (Attar) from Pakistan

    @MrP, correct that was the case for decades, however before musk deer and a litany of other wild animals,
    became exploited by outsiders, for centeries, these animals where hunted/killed for food...
  44. Re: Musk Pods and Musk Distilled on Sandalwood (Attar) from Pakistan

    David, with all due respect do you really think the person / company that is offering the material killed the deer, or as you say "slaughtered" it for a smell?
    Not that we know how the material was...
  45. Re: Musk Pods and Musk Distilled on Sandalwood (Attar) from Pakistan

    jfrater,
    It is quite a bit more complicated in the USA because of the The Endangered Species Act passed in 1973.
    So not only do you have to deal with US customs and Border control, you must comply...
  46. Re: Musk Pods and Musk Distilled on Sandalwood (Attar) from Pakistan

    Yes, that is the problem, without the CITES export permit, your import permit is of no use.
    CITES will not issue export permits for any commercial use of species on appendix I.
    So while you may...
  47. Re: Musk Pods and Musk Distilled on Sandalwood (Attar) from Pakistan

    Hi Christine,

    A couple of things to point out;

    All musk deer species are CITES listed, and as such, export permits are required for all exporting of specimens.

    If importing to the USA,...
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    Re: Question about Royal Hawaiian Sandalwood

    a few other essential oils distilled from roots;
    ginger root
    angelica root
    costus root
    spikenard
    sassafras
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    Re: Question about Royal Hawaiian Sandalwood

    further down on that page;
    "(the roots are the most valuable part of the tree from which to extract the oil)"

    http://www.edenbotanicals.com/sandalwood-essential-oil.html
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    Re: Animalid replacement?

    what about getting a GC done?
  51. Thread: Musk Deer Pod

    by luigi_g
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    Re: Musk Deer Pod

    Robmcbryde, sorry to say, but that is a fake pod
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    Re: Perfume Labelling Requirements

    as far as I understand, the levels for the listed 26 allergens are 0.001% in leave on products.
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    Re: Extracting "essence" from whiskey

    sorry, I was not being literal
    salting out does not necessarily mean 'table salt' :(
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    Re: Extracting "essence" from whiskey

    yes, you must use k2co3

    41926
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    Re: Extracting "essence" from whiskey

    In the past I have simply salted out whiskey, resulting in 95%+ whiskey, which is perfect for ethanol based perfumery.
    of course this doesn't help the OP.
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    Re: Nitro Musks and their effect

    David, could it have been musk tibetene ?
    I seem to recall that had a dryness to it
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    gottcha,

    do you need a lot ? if not I have some left from a project, maybe 20 grams perhaps, could send you some ?
    it was from Vigon about 6 years ago
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    Paul,
    this is probably a dumb question, but why the exaltone from muskrat, rather than what is made now?
    I only messed with this in the hopes of coming up with the dihydro-civetone
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    yes, thats what we had nuggets, maybe they serve yankies the scaps ?
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    Chris,
    I have eaten gator down south, it is actually very good.
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    Paul, The dried glans are no good, you need to work with fresh glands, you also need to make sure
    the glands are whole and in the preservative only. [Sodium Benzoate]

    forgot to mention,
    If you...
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    so only 2% of a purified extract of the glands are the macrocyclic ketones [the mixed musks], the other 98% are the corresponding alcohols.

    so while you are correct, it is possible to oxidise the...
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    Paul, why do you say that ?
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    haha, that is the price per pound
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    jfrater,

    Alligators have two sets of scents glands, although they have been called musk glands there have been no macrocyclic musk compounds identified.
    the slight rose scent is overpowered by a...
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    Chris, if you have ever smelled a tarsal gland from a deer you would know there is nothing there for use in perfumery.
    I have worked with and studied deer / animal materials for 40 years, there is...
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    Re: Odd Question: Real Deer Musk

    Only species of Moschus genus have a musk gland.

    All species in the Cervidae family have scent glands, of which the the most easily
    perceived scent comes from tarsal glands, and is of no value...
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    Re: Pre-fixing perfumers alcohol

    pre fixing alcohol was really deodorization, ethanol distillation and rectification methods back then were very crude as compared
    to modern day distillations, if you have ever smelled real...
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    Re: IFRA Regulations - A simple question

    cheech,

    form a LLC for your perfume company, and find a reasonable product liability insurance, depending on your state, it might run a few hundred dollars a year,
    and forget about getting sued....
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    Re: IFRA Regulations - A simple question

    End up in the street? you can't be serious.
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    Re: Odeur de Champignon

    I will have to relabel my frankincense resin and benzoin resin tinctures, to solutions then, as well as all of the other resin tinctures.
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    Re: Physicists / chemists wanted

    here is an interesting read;
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574685/pdf/sensors-13-00463.pdf
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    Re: Odeur de Champignon

    David,
    maybe I used the wrong word, frankincense tears is the tree resin or the starting material as you mention.
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    Re: Odeur de Champignon

    would this not be dependent on ones definition of a tincturing process as well as what material was tinctured?

    for example frankincense tears, they dissolve in a few hours even faster if the...
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    Re: Physicists / chemists wanted

    Bill, with all do respect I would disagree,
    this certainly would pertain to perfumery, in fact evaporation curves have been studied for years in terms of how a fragrance is constructed.
    although I...
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    Re: Vibration Theory of Smell

    Implausibility of the vibrational theory of olfaction
    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/04/20/1503054112.full.pdf
  77. Re: Making perfume basics. Fragrance alcohol and water. Any formula?

    really pretty sad, how people are treated here.
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    Re: Roll-on perfume

    There are only a few cents each, however the minimum order amount is crazy, like 10,000
    those are the glass dabbers made for ASAQ, if you are familiar with that house, they are made in China
    and...
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    Re: Roll-on perfume

    I use these glass stoppers

    35957
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    Re: Creating natural perfume oils

    @Fables
    agree completely

    The heavy handed moderation was supposedly stopped, but now if one disagrees or points out inaccuracies
    with the so called appointed experts or a few that just suck up...
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    Re: Perfumers certification

    Xeryus1881,

    perhaps check with a perfume society in the country where you live, but as an example
    here in the US, the American Society of perfumers, you must be invited to join, a perfumer is...
  82. Re: Need your Opinion- Should I Offer Robertet Naturals for Presale Perfumer Supply House

    Is the cost of their Santalol out of the question for your purchase?
  83. Thread: Truffles

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    Re: Truffles

    very nice,

    they sure are an incredible for cooking
  84. Thread: Truffles

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    Re: Truffles

    looks very nice mumsy,

    so English Black truffle, never heard of that type, are they similar to french or italian types
  85. Thread: Truffles

    by luigi_g
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    Re: Truffles

    James,

    You can slice and tincture the truffles, the tincture is amazing, I use the black Italian winter truffles.
    Biolandes also sells a black truffle infusion, which is a tincture, not as stong...
  86. Re: Confusion about citrus essential oils (cold pressed vs. distilled vs. folded vs. terpeneless vs.

    PA, sells the reconstructed bergamot by Givauden, which is really nice.
  87. Re: Confusion about citrus essential oils (cold pressed vs. distilled vs. folded vs. terpeneless vs.

    2manyhobies,

    are you opposed to using synthetics, there are a few real nice synthetic bergamots out there
  88. Re: Confusion about citrus essential oils (cold pressed vs. distilled vs. folded vs. terpeneless vs.

    David this will clear things up;

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22250748

    Chemical analysis showed that ?-terpinene degrades rapidly, forming allylic epoxides and p-cymene
    as the major...
  89. Re: Confusion about citrus essential oils (cold pressed vs. distilled vs. folded vs. terpeneless vs.

    all I was pointing out is you will not get p-Cymene from Limonene auto-oxidation / degradation / poor lemon oil storage.

    p-Cymene however will form as oxidative product due to degradation / poor...
  90. Re: Confusion about citrus essential oils (cold pressed vs. distilled vs. folded vs. terpeneless vs.

    it was my understanding para-cymene is the oxidative product of gama-terpinene, rather than from limonene.
  91. Re: Ceramic top of a heated stirrer that I'd like cleaner

    I use a ceramic stove top cleaner, works well, barkeepers friend or the like, sometimes a little peroxide will help
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    Re: Sourcing Rum Absolute

    Paul,

    buy the 151 rum and salt it out, I did that last year for a custom whiskey perfume, I salted out devil's cut Bourbon and got it close to 96%
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    Re: Question about tinctures and oil solubility

    don't know what your oil base is, or if you could choose one,
    but one solution would be to use fractionated coconut oil, it is alcohol soluble.
  94. Re: How to use Civet, and not end up with an old lady scent?

    @Bill,

    very diluted skatole will have a certain floral aspect,

    but to your question, as far as the sweetness and the main floral notes,
    think about auto-degradation and esterfication, then...
  95. Re: How to use Civet, and not end up with an old lady scent?

    your welcome Paul
  96. Re: How to use Civet, and not end up with an old lady scent?

    so if you want to build just the macrocyclic musk base use

    5 - 10 parts exaltone - per your needed profile
    1 part civetone
    1 part cyclohexadecanone a.k.a. iso muscone

    but that will not give...
  97. Re: How to use Civet, and not end up with an old lady scent?

    @AMAR_420,
    just curious why you mentioned civet is a "precious (and rare) material" ?
  98. Re: How to use Civet, and not end up with an old lady scent?

    in higher quality civet, cyclopentadecanone, a.k.a. exaltone is found in much higher quantities than civetone, in some cases 20 times the amount of civetone,
    and in some farms, dihydrocivetone is...
  99. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Bill,

    I read once that the harsh distillation of rosewood causes the racemic linalool, I suppose due to the high of heat and or excess pressure.
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    Re: Search recipes or formula of disigner

    maybe it is the civet your using Bill?

    2% civet tincture is very sweet and floral, no barnyard....
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