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    Re: Aventus batch numbers, part 2

    19P11 is a nice one, literally fruity pebbles Aventus
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    Re: How to Mature Creed Aventus?

    The aging has already been done by Creed before they deploy their batches, any aging in the following years will be negligible performance wise. Your only job is to keep it out of light in a stable...
  3. Thread: Paul Kiler!

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    Re: Paul Kiler!

    Is anybody surprised? :happy: Grats Paul, you are a staple in this community and deserve this award.
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    Re: Club de nuit intense

    Like I said the similarities happen about 30 minutes into CDNIM but the quality isn't there with the blending of ingredients, it's something I cannot enjoy, it isn't even close. I understand that...
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    Re: Club de nuit intense

    I'm seriously confused why people are putting CDNIM on the same throne as Aventus when it shares literally no qualities with the original other than a vague similarity after it dries down for 30...
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    Re: Club de nuit intense

    Well I do know this isn't the "I hate on Aventus" or "Any cheap alternative to Aventus" forum so let us know how many CDNIM showers you could take over the cost of a flacon of Aventus? Since value...
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    Re: Club de nuit intense

    According to mostly everyone on this thread, Aventus is inferior to CDNIM in nearly every aspect, who would've thought? I guess price is such a huge factor it seems to disregard the sheer contrast...
  8. Thread: Making EDP

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    Re: Making EDP

    I've heard from multiple sources that water added to perfume creates a fresh layer/platform on the skin for top/middle notes to gain extra liftoff from, that's why I mentioned it, I can't get into...
  9. Thread: Making EDP

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    Re: Making EDP

    Do you have any logical explanation why water doesn't work for projection, any first hand experience? I know fixatives don't help, they drown out a perfumes notes.
  10. Thread: Making EDP

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    Re: Making EDP

    http://www.perfumeprojects.com/resources/water.shtml
  11. Thread: Making EDP

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    Re: Making EDP

    Before diluting your concentrate you should allow it to macerate and age for at least 2 months. Also something I recently discovered is distilled water will help the notes have a platform to project...
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    Re: Another fake or real Creed Aventus

    Thank you for not posting in the batch thread, this one OP posted does not look like any official bottle I know of, could be a tester or something else, suspicious though.
  13. Re: Development Hell - Fragrance not turning out the way you want it

    It all depends on how fast a perfumer works on his drafts, he could be making quick changes or long changes that can take many hours and studying. Some perfumers can make 20 drafts a day, it all...
  14. Re: Glenn Perri Unpredictable Adventure - how close to the real thing?

    Glenn Perri isn't even a recognized fragrance line on Fragrantica OR Basenotes I'll assume it's hot garbage and save my $20 :laugh:
  15. Re: Development Hell - Fragrance not turning out the way you want it

    Every failure is progress for another project.
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    Re: The more things I smell....

    Fascinating thank you, that describes my situation perfectly. It must be a primitive defense mechanism, once the situation is well defined you know how to react or know what to expect the next time...
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    Re: Aventus batch numbers, part 2

    The problem is people inherently look for the best deal possible so they scour eBay and find a 100ml bottle for $200 and the seller has 10 reputation points at 90% and for some reason think it's a...
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    Re: Yes... its an Aventus inspired formula

    I certainly notice Citral in Aventus, specially my batch 17Y02, also tested a 1% dilution on my skin and it stayed linear and didn't go sour at all so it's something else. I got mine from Susan at...
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    The more things I smell....

    I'm still relatively new to all of this jazz, but something I never thought would happen is that the more things I smell the better they smell, the more I smell them usually the more I like them and...
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    Re: Aventus batch numbers, part 2

    I've bought over 20 decants and a few bottles on eBay and they were all good, in fact the one sample I bought from Creed boutique was the weakest of them all, funny world. However, I do read through...
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    Re: Yes... its an Aventus inspired formula

    It's the DHM! :laugh: Nah not likely but I really think It could be one of your naturals have gone bad. Most synthetics don't go sour from my experience (as of yet all of mine are still relatively...
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    Re: HelpI need a mid

    Butyl quinoline secondary will certainly fit the bill, you'll use it in traces up to .05% it provides green lift and sweet leather, not sure if it's a mid or base but I'd consider it a mid in some...
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    Re: Very simple accords for newbies

    My dark pineapple accord by drops small sample size: (All 100% non diluted)

    Fructone---------------------------8 Great rounding tropical fruit note
    Pharaone--------------------------6 Metallic...
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    Re: Yes... its an Aventus inspired formula

    Good job tusca, my formula looks quite similar but I have about 15 other things and took different routes in terms of musks and a lot more fruity ACs and naturals interplaying. Thank you for sharing...
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    Re: Aventus musks

    Jasmine absolute and maybe benzyl acetate have a slightly fecal / dirty vibe. Not sure if it has either but Aventus claims to use jasmine so not sure if it's only the clean Hedione aspect.
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    Re: Warm, dusty middle notes?

    Valspice in traces is very dusty, Wood 49 from PSH is like dusty pencil shavings. Cyclozonal is extremely metallic ozonic and citrusy.
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    Re: Aventus musks

    Could be a trace of something fecal or it could be costus which is sort of like 'wet-fur'
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    Lyral banned?

    I am hearing Lyral has been banned or heavily restricted by a few people in the community is this true and what can we hope to replace it with?
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    Re: Club de nuit intense

    I'm not going to defend my position, plenty feel the same way as I do it goes without saying at this point, I should have stayed silent, sigh.
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    Re: I've made a meme about perfumery

    I believe that it represents that it smells awful, dang perfume companies keeping captive molecules from us!!
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    Re: I've made a meme about perfumery

    Accurate
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    Re: Club de nuit intense

    CDNIM came out shortly after Aventus but it took Montblanc 9 years and the community was growing tired of clones. I suggested he read Fragrantica as threads like this aren't needed, plenty to glean...
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    Re: Club de nuit intense

    And when I wear Aventus women ask what I'm wearing

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    Guys I'm not basing my comparisons on price, this is about scent alone and Aventus is so far ahead of CDNIM in every way...
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    Re: Club de nuit intense

    Problem is nobody can smell it, it's one of the worst performing fragrances in my wardrobe. People say it projects for 8 hours no way, I get 2 hours then it's gone. I own a 2016 bottle and 2018...
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    Re: Club de nuit intense

    No way in hell it's 90% similar, even after the harsh opening it's at best 75% but it's still good bang for your buck regardless.
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    Re: Asking about oakmoss replacement

    IFRA is international, all major companies abide by their rules. i don't recommend using real oakmoss absolute for anything but personal experiments anyways. I'm looking to try some of the new...
  37. Re: Does dilution affect overall composition?

    The distilled water blended easily after a few swirls no problem, I do use fixatives and preservatives (Glucam p-20, PWxfactor, Vitamin E). And I've learned a few more things, Eau de Cologne is...
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    Re: Asking about oakmoss replacement

    Oakmoss is restricted by IFRA to 1000 parts per million in the finished product so you can get away with a little more in the concentrate before final dilution.
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    Re: Cashmeran crystallized and solidified

    I accidentally left the lid off my bottle once while microwaving and the microwave smelled of Cetalox for about a week :laugh:
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    Re: Cashmeran crystallized and solidified

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  41. Re: Does dilution affect overall composition?

    Thank you, I figured at 50% concentration some of the cloying aspects would stand out more.
  42. Re: Does dilution affect overall composition?

    Thank you for your feedback, I will try many dilutions varying from 5-20% and note changes. I read a source yesterday stating that adding water actually helps tone down strong notes and enables the...
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    Re: Asking about oakmoss replacement

    I use oakmoss abs in IFRA compliant traces with Evernyl in a 20% dilution and it gives a very nice mossy effect. Iso butyl quinoline will give it even more green lift at only 0.1%!
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    Re: Rose Accord attempt

    I would suggest Coranol to replace Linalool, Coranol has a similar rich scent but lasts 2x longer and less of the lavender.
  45. Re: help reaching similar/equal fragrance to jo malone oud & bergamot

    Yeah an important lesson I learned was that these high-end perfume companies claim to use only the richest most rare elements in their perfumes when they're just using the constituents of these...
  46. Does dilution affect overall composition?

    I was wondering if a blend were to smell too strong and harsh at a 20% concentration will diluting it down further 10% improve the overall composition and scent output, or is it all linear? For...
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    Re: symroxane: what do we know about it?

    Have you given it enough time to mature in a blend to know it's potential? Or do you generally know how most woody materials will fare right away?
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    Re: Cashmeran crystallized and solidified

    Cetalox is the same for me, if it ain't 10% dilution it'll crystallize at room temp real fast, much more temperature sensitive than ambroxan (a close relative).
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    Re: Which company make best Aventus ?

    Yeah this thread belongs on the Aventus forum.
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    Re: symroxane: what do we know about it?

    I'm very intereste in this material if anyone wants to cop me some, pm me.
  51. Thread: GC/MS Help

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    Re: GC/MS Help

    The terpenes and other spikes could be combinations of all sorts of things so it is like a puzzle with pieces you can't see. I would start with something a little easier since the blending of...
  52. Thread: GC/MS Help

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    Re: GC/MS Help

    You have to study aroma chem s and naturals and make quesses, that's all.
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    Re: Is Patchone Trend?

    Weird, the Patchone I have smells kind of like clearwood a little ambroxan and a very light citronellol coer (rose like), quite pleasant and nothing fecal not one bit.
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    Re: cassis base VS cassis base

    Cassis base 345 F could be more of the blackcurrant leaf and 345 B more so the tart fruity aspect, just a guess. Paul does the cassis F share any characteristics with ribes mercaptan?
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    Re: Aventus batch numbers, part 2

    Some people get musk and even oakmoss/patchouli mixed up as a smoke since they are slightly phenolic ingredients, but it's not the smoke Aventus was famous for. OG Aventus was blatant smoky, like...
  56. Re: How to legit check a vintage aventus bottle?

    If you want after you get hit me up with a sample and I'll help you authenticate it, I own 30 batches from 2010-2018 including 11Z01. and 11Y01. The bottle means very little if the juice is fake or...
  57. Re: Anyone else perceive Timbersilk differently?

    I prefer to use Timbersilk/Iso E Super in conjunction with Sylvamber at a 3:1 ratio, since Sylvamber has nearly 3 times the iso gamma super and a certain scratchy almost sparkly woody aspect (from...
  58. Can you tell a perfume is good right away?

    Let's say you make a brand new formula that smells gorgeous on paper but a little rough around the edges on skin, does this mean it just needs time to macerate and mature? Also can you tell if a...
  59. Re: Fellow Aventians, what are your other three most worn scents?

    Looks like Dior F is the runner up winner vs Aventus (so far)
  60. Re: Fellow Aventians, what are your other three most worn scents?

    1) Aventus
    2) Aventus
    3) Aventus

    Kidding :laugh:

    1) Dior F
    2) Creed Virgin Island Water
    3) Versace PH
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    Re: Today, I'm particularly enjoying...

    Enjoying Creed Erolfa for the first warm sunny day of Spring.
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    Re: PKs long lasting lemon

    I meant concentrate % but if you are working with smaller formulas you will want to dilute it down quite a bit.
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    Re: PKs long lasting lemon

    I'd suggest 1-2% if you're working with larger formulas of over 1oz, if you're doing small sample formulas of 5-10ml I would suggest .5% to .1% It is as strong or stronger than Lemonile by Givaudan...
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    Re: Amazed again, a Watermelon molecule...

    Awesome, I'll keep my eyes peeled for it at PSH.
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    Re: Amazed again, a Watermelon molecule...

    Grats Paul, is this like a Calone type scent that lasts longer?
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    Re: Pineapple Accord

    Well, I suggested he get Hexalon in a thread a week or two ago so was just interested in his opinion since he obviously took my word for it. I find it far more interesting than galbanum materials...
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    Re: Diluting diluted dilutions...

    For every .02ml of the 50% solution you would add .08ml ethanol for it to be 10%. Your ratio is correct, 1:4
  68. Thread: Veramoss

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    Re: Veramoss

    No problems in ethanol except it's powdering up a bit at 20% (Just realized the directions say maximum 7% in liquid)
  69. Re: How much essential oil can this cellulose paper take before losing scent?

    Savage business model Thea :laugh:
  70. Re: How much essential oil can this cellulose paper take before losing scent?

    I will say from my little experience that not many if any essential oils will get you a week on paper or anything for that matter. You will need to experiment and find alternatives via synthetic...
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    Re: Little perfumista

    Wonderful, it all starts at the top, she must have admired your work! (assuming you tinker with oils and such) good job mom.
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    Yeah DHM is one of the most polarizing aroma chemicals in perfumery, some can't live without it and some can't live with it. It's not so much a real lavender, more of a fraction of lavender that...
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    Re: Orange Blossom

    I got some linalyl anthranilate on the way, pretty pricey but it's supposedly one of the best orange blossom/linalool ACs, will provide feedback if I remember.
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    Re: The Aventus DNA may become mainstream soon.

    There's a very real chance somebody added real patchouli to your decant, does your decant of Aventus have a soft yellow tint? That would explain it. Patchouli to me smells like wet dirt/soil like...
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    Re: The Aventus DNA may become mainstream soon.

    What batch is it? I'm certain it's patchouli you're smelling but I never noticed any batch that Aventus had a dirty patchouli, only a very clean one.
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    Re: The Aventus DNA may become mainstream soon.

    CDNIM smells like dirt not Aventus one bit...
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    Re: Pineapple Accord

    What do you think of Hexalon tusca?
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    Re: Pineapple Accord

    I dilute my ribes down to 2% and use only a few drops at most, it's quite beautiful in low quantities, but very hard to perfect as it's bloody strong for a top note. Cassis base is similar but not...
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    Re: The Aventus DNA may become mainstream soon.

    The market is already over saturated with Aventus clones and pretty soon nobody will care because everyone will be tired of it. All I want is a new groundbreaking fragrance that shifts focus from...
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    It's Dihydromyrcenol you're smelling that is turning you off likely, it's a metallic overbearing lavender note, I dislike lavender quite a bit and I dislike GIT just the same. Ambroxan is probably...
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    Re: Aventus batch numbers, part 2

    The thing about perfumery when it comes to dupes it's by far the hardest thing to do, perfume is like encrypted art work. You can scan a painting, mold a statue, rip a song but you can't copy a...
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    Re: Aventus batch numbers, part 2

    Emperor Extrait is a joke, it's Pineapple Vintage Intense with a few sprinkles on top. It's something I have to rub off minutes after wearing it, no good.
  83. Thread: Helvetolide

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    Re: Helvetolide

    Thank you
  84. Thread: Helvetolide

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    Helvetolide

    Helvetolide is gorgeous, diffusive and everything you want in a musk, but it costs so much to practice with. Are there any other musks that are cheaper and provide a similar output minus some...
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    Re: Aventus batch numbers, part 2

    You are lucky to not have gotten a fake 15X01 it's one of the most faked Aventus batches, so many people have given it bad reviews but they weren't reviewing a Creed product mind you.
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    Wow the connection between Bourdon and Aventus grew a bit stronger, he likely mentored Herault as they were both working for Canali at that time, but we can't take one man's Fragrantica post with...
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    The speculation is fun though isn't it?! I love a good counter argument. :coolold: :thumbup:

    Montblanc Explorer is a lot more like CDNIM than Aventus, smoother with the ambroxan but nothing new...
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    Yeah, I edited out the Google search results part because it's silly, perfumers in general aren't widely known. I believe any well versed perfumer doing it their whole life was capable of creating...
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    Legacy over money, especially in someone's twilight years. Also it's not out of the realm of possibilities that Creed is copying these popular perfumes and using very high end ingredients as a way...
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    I think a man entering his twilight years and two years removed as a full-time perfumer (prior to the release date of Aventus) to create something so highly refined and well tuned is unlikely. And...
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    Machine learning wasn't a thing until gradient descent algorithms took off in 2012, so it's safe to say Aventus was created by a human(s). This magician is obviously very shy because who wouldn't...
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    Palmolive, you're giving Aventus far too much undeserved credit for whatever reason, it did not reinvent chypres, the outline has been around since the 1920s Guerlain Mitsouko and the Coty Chypre,...
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    That's the famous Creed accord you're smelling, I don't find it all that captivating as it's quite safe and dull but it is inoffensive and versatile.

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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    Charming.
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    Bergamust Noir Gallagher Fragrances is one that fits the description of a scent with juxtaposition clean and dirty smoke but it's not quite as wearable as vintage Averntus was. I actually don't...
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    Re: Creed Aventus was obviously made by...

    I don't think the smoke accord you're referring to is that elusive, several perfumes have it and I've made a few accords myself that smell alike the smoke in Aventus. The mastery of Aventus is the...
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    Re: Skin vs Paper

    Either
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    Re: Aventus batch numbers, part 2

    There's a pusher account on Fragrantica spreading lies about Parfum's Vintage, saying Emperor Extrait is like 2013 Aventus batches, WRONG. It smells basically the same as PV intense with a little...
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    Skin vs Paper

    Just really amazed by how different my formulas will smell on skin vs the paper (usually for worse). I wonder what chemical reactions are happening other than the body heating the fragrance? My...
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    Re: Quick word association...

    Black can mean whatever you want it to, but to me black would be a trendy fragrance with leathery, non-gourmand chypre build leaning woody and bottom-mid heavy. Think of the opposite of a fresh...
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