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  1. Re: Non American members - Where do you buy your materials from?

    Thanks for that, someone else in the thread also mentioned hexapus. I am checking them out. Will contact them for my next order and see if they ship to me.
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    Re: First perfume - what to add?

    I wrote a long reply and accidentally deleted it. To answer your questions.

    1. Try Hedione, it extends both white florals and citruses.
    2. If it is cloying try something like Benzyl Salicylate....
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    Re: First perfume - what to add?

    This is just my personal opinion but I think you are going for way too many things to begin with. Like all the more experienced perfumers on here keep saying "learn your materials". The list you have...
  4. Re: Non American members - Where do you buy your materials from?

    I have only once asked Rebekka for some sample items which she was kind enough to get for me. I will talk to her and see if she can get smaller quantities of common items. Thanks.
  5. Re: Non American members - Where do you buy your materials from?

    Thanks everyone for your inputs, It looks like the usual suppliers are on everyones list. It seems like Perfumer's Apprentice and Pell Wall are the best suppliers in terms of width of products...
  6. Non American members - Where do you buy your materials from?

    I just went to place an order on Perfumers Apprentice and the shipping charges have become crazy. So I am looking for alternatives. Any one know any good non American suppliers of quality raw...
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    Re: Long Lasting Linalool Types

    Try coranol, it is significantly longer lasting than Linalool.
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    Difference between TPA and PSH Cypriol?

    I just wanted to check if anyone has bought Cypriol from Perfumers Apprentice and Perfumer Supply House? How different are their odour profiles? I noticed that on Perfumers Apprentice they say their...
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    Re: Oud and Sandalwood Accord

    Try some ambrarome to give that dirty animalic barnyardy note. And perhaps a touch of ambrocenide. It is curious that you cannot smell the Norlimbanol, it is such a strong ingredient and apparent...
  10. Thread: Shamama Base

    by needaname
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    Re: Shamama Base

    I am assuming you are talking about Shamama attar. The problem with that base is that every vendor has their own formula and even the same vendor can have different varities. Like the one I have has...
  11. Re: Looking for non citrus topnote suggessions for a vetiver fragrance

    Thanks everyone for the interesting ideas. I have decided to start from scratch and try out a ginger marine top note and see how it goes.
  12. Re: Looking for non citrus topnote suggessions for a vetiver fragrance

    Thanks those sound like interesting ideas, looks like I have to do some shopping. I have been meaning to get some pyrazines, now might be the time to get some.
  13. Looking for non citrus topnote suggessions for a vetiver fragrance

    I am currently working on a Vetiver fragrance and I was looking for topnote ideas. It has a base of musks, patchouli and vetiver with a heart of ylang ylang and white florals with a touch of lily of...
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    Re: patchouli ABSOLUTE?

    I finally had time to properly test this patchouli absolute out and I must say, it is my new favourite patchouli. It is what I imagined clearwood would be. It is clean like clearwood but has more...
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    Re: Perfume Formulation

    Just double the fragrance and reduce that amount from the alcohol. So in your case that will be 30 fragrance and reduce the alcohol by 15 i.e. the increase in the fragrance so the alcohol will become...
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    Re: Looking for commercial lily/muguet base

    Check with http://liaison-carbone.com/

    I got two from there, although it is no longer listed on the site, you can check with her and see if she has any left over.
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    Re: Pine/juniper fixative

    I remember seeing it on TPA.

    https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-8974-pino-acetaldehyde-iff.aspx?keyword=pino%20acetaldehyde
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    Re: symroxane: what do we know about it?

    That sounds interesting, might be useful in an Oud accord.
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    Re: symroxane: what do we know about it?

    Thanks for the info. I added symroxane and Grisambrene to my cart, lets see how the Firmenich version of Grisambrene turns out. I also added Fixomusc, if it animalic might be interesting as a musk.
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    Re: symroxane: what do we know about it?

    Symroxane was a Symrise captive that was released to the public in 2018. You can read about it here.

    https://www.fragrantica.com/news/WPC-2018-All-You-Wanted-To-Know-About-Symroxane-11012.html
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  21. Re: Any supplier for Soil/Dirt essence oil in Europe

    Just curious, how strong is the mitti attar you have? I got 2 versions from reliable suppliers and both of them are barely there, I get faint whiffs of an earthy scent but that is about it.
  22. Thread: Earthy notes

    by needaname
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    Re: Earthy notes

    Clearwood has an earthy top note. That in combination with Vetiver Bourbon gives a heavy earthy note
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    Re: advice on my next order

    Z11 - A very soft note, I barely detect anything. Tried at 100% and at 10% on a smelling strip. It has an ambery note. Based on a few initial tests, it feels like it might be a good blender. But it...
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    Re: amour Kouros YSL

    Perfumer Supply House stocks it

    https://perfumersupplyhouse.com/product/animalis-1745-3-synarome/
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    Re: patchouli ABSOLUTE?

    That is unfortunate.
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    Re: patchouli ABSOLUTE?

    That sounds so very interesting. I seem to spend most of my time trying to cover up the top notes when using vetiver. It would be awesome to find a vetiver that had less toppy notes. Any chance you...
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    Re: Incense Perfume

    Have a look at the following youtube channel, might be useful. He outlines the materials you can use to make agarbatti. I have not personally tried his formulas so I cannot comment on how well they...
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    Re: patchouli ABSOLUTE?

    I have been evaluating vetiver for the last 30 odd hours, so these are my initial impressions and I have not really tried many Indonesian vetivers so there is that. With that being said it has an...
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    Re: patchouli ABSOLUTE?

    I just got it and have not have had a chance to evaluate it properly but on first pass it smells like a much cleaner version of patchouli. It is woodier in the dry down and does not have as much of a...
  30. Re: Which aroma chemicals or natural isolates will you recommend?

    I do not think there is a ready made accord available anywhere, atleast none that I have seen. All the ingredients are at 100% So Hedione(100%), Iso-E(100%) Methyl Ionone(100%) Galaxolide(100%) and...
  31. Re: Which aroma chemicals or natural isolates will you recommend?

    That is such an apt quote.
  32. Re: Which aroma chemicals or natural isolates will you recommend?

    I had a revelation when I tried out a Grojsman accord. Basically for a more transparent modern smelling perfume you need a heavy dose of aroma chemicals and a touch of naturals to give it depth. Like...
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    Re: The next DNA for 2019

    Acqua Di Parma Colonia Oud has a heavy dose of norlimbanol. A lot of so called oud fragrances tend to use amber chems as the oud note.
  34. Difference between Ambroxan, Ambrox Super, Cetalox and Ambroxide?

    I am fairly anosmic to ambroxan and ambrox super. I get a vague papery, thin, dry note from them. I have tried it at different concentrations and smell it at 0.1%, lesser than than and above that I...
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    Re: The Amazing Overdose Thread

    40% or more Iso-E in Diptyque Tam Dao
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    Re: The Amazing Trace-Elements Thread

    Sultanene - In very very minute quantities helps with fruity and citrus top notes and adds a jackfruit note to the top.
  37. Re: Sterilizer / deodorant for glass bottles

    Try Isopropyl alcohol
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    Re: Indian suppliers

    Thanks, but no need to feel sorry for me. Yes it was a huge amount of disappointment when starting off and a huge amount of money wasted. But the more I met people the more interesting things I...
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    Re: Indian suppliers

    It is interesting, I found out that the main purchasers locally are agarbatti(joss sticks) manufacturers and surprisingly gutkha(flavoured chewing tobacco) manufacturers. Both those players are cost...
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    Indian suppliers

    I have seen questions come up once in a while about Indian supplier and I thought I would put down my observations down. Over the last few years I have been on a quest to find good Indian suppliers....
  41. Re: Fragrance Oils Vs Essential Oils Vs Concentrated Perfume Oils (Attars)

    You can use all of them in a perfume, but the thing is it depends.

    Fragrance Oil - An accord made up of aroma chemicals or naturals or both to create something to mimic a natural or create...
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    Re: disaster formula

    At first glance it looks like you have too many base notes with virtually no top notes. Why don't you try scaling up the top notes? Maybe some PEA and rose has a citrus note to it so why don't you...
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    Re: Green Tea-- Inspired by Creed SMW

    For a minimal green tea accord try Hedione and Beta Ionone in a 4:1 ratio.
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    Re: Looking for a citrus perfume GCMS

    First off thanks for all the great formulas you post. It has been really useful. I will have to try out that formula.
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    Re: Looking for a citrus perfume GCMS

    Thanks for that information, it is interesting. I do not have any Amyl cinnamic aldehyde I will have to get my hands on some and see how it works. Thanks once again.
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    Re: Looking for a citrus perfume GCMS

    I had my eye on that when I placed my last order. But it was available only in small quantities so I was not sure if it would end up like the Auram bases where you fell in love with it but could not...
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    Re: Looking for a citrus perfume GCMS

    I have a lot of the common ingredients like geranyl acetate, linalyl acetate etc. Plus popular floral essential oils.like Rose, Geranium, Neroli etc. Things like Neroli work well but it is just too...
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    Looking for a citrus perfume GCMS

    I have been trying to make a citrus perfume for a while now. But it always seems to be lacking in the heart note area. I am curious to see what a commercial citrus perfume contains. Does anyone have...
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    Re: Ingredients for a petrol aroma

    Orinox has a petrol smell to it along with a strong woody note and it is really strong.
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    Formula inspired by Terre D'Hermes

    Here is a formula I made. It is inspired by TdH. It is not a 1:1 clone, Have a look at it/try it and let me know what you think.
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    Re: Gucci Pour Homme I 2003 - GC?

    I am also interested in the GC if the cost was shared.
  52. Re: "I can not understand how ..... is so underrated!"

    That is awesome news. Thanks for making sure it stayed.
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    Re: Yes... its an Aventus inspired formula

    I got some IBQ(Symrise) from liaison carbone. I remember doing a few initial tests and comparing IBQ to Pyralone. I compared both at 0.1% dilution. To me IBQ is softer and sits more quietly in a...
  54. Re: "I can not understand how ..... is so underrated!"

    I just started building a perfume with an overdose of Polvolide at around 20% of the formula. It is a really beautiful musk. But according to the post on PSH it looks like it is being discontinued....
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    Re: Yes... its an Aventus inspired formula

    Which Hedione HC are you using? The Bedoukian version is very floral and makes the perfume a lot more floral. On the other hand the Firmenich version is more citrusy and does not make the perfume as...
  56. Thread: percentage

    by needaname
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    Re: percentage

    It will be simpler to think about it this way. 10% of anything is a decimal point added before the last digit. So 10% of 10 grams is 1.0 i.e. 1. The remainder is 90% i.e. 10-1 = 9 is 90%.. 10% of 5...
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    Re: Perfumery ingredients in India

    CG Herbals used to be half decent but unfortunately they closed down. You can try contacting their parent company http://nishantaromas.com/ and see if they will sell you materials in smaller...
  58. Re: Any good suppliers for Indian attars and Choyas?

    These people do not seem to have a problem with flammable materials, I ordered a few flammable materials from TPA a few times and they just classified them as hazardous and shipped accordingly....
  59. Re: Any good suppliers for Indian attars and Choyas?

    You can use a mail forwarding service to purchase from White Lotus. You just have to email them directly since their site does not seem to accept international cards or atleast that was the case for...
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    Re: sandalwood suppliers in N.A.

    Eden botanicals Indian sandalwood is pretty reminiscent of Mysore sandalwood of old. Although it is pretty weak. I remember Indian Sandalwood from a few decades back being able to scent an entire...
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    Re: Laudamiel's formula for Community

    You can find the pdf version of the formula which is easier to read on his site along with a few other accords

    http://www.dreamair.mobi/fragrance-formulas
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    Re: Impressed with Evernyl

    Evernyl is an interesting material. I like to use a trace of it with Vetiver, It is a good modifier for vetiver and tends to modify the unwanted top notes of a lot of vetivers. It also lasts ages and...
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    Re: Fir absolute basenotes

    Thanks, that is an interesting idea. Although I do not have any black currant odourants around. Guess it is time to do some shopping.



    I already have some beta damascone in there, I might have...
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    Fir absolute basenotes

    I am working on a Fir Absolute scent and I am trying to extend it into the base of the perfume. Any one know of any materials that are jammy sweet basenote? I have already added a touch of Ethyl...
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    Re: Dipropylen vs propylen glicol

    If I remember right PG absorbs moisture, which is something you do not want in a perfume. Which is why DPG is used in perfumes instead of PG
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    Re: UK/EU option for Hexapus or Pell Wall?

    You might want to check out a forwarding service. I personally use myus.com and their rates are very competitive when shipping to India. It costs me around $12-$14 to ship non flammable materials to...
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    Re: Where would you get it ?

    Liaison Carbone has Roman Chamomile right now. She is based out of Germany.

    https://liaison-carbone.com/en/produkte/chamomile-roman/
  68. Thread: Esterly

    by needaname
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    Re: Esterly

    Perfumers Apprentice also carries it now

    https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-8536-sultanene-symrise.aspx?keyword=sultanene
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    Re: Other suppliers

    You can try http://myus.com/ they are a shipment forwarding company. The shipping costs tend to be a lot lower. Especially if you do not ship any flammable materials. Their DHL shipping rate is...
  70. Re: What is the difference between Hedione HC - Bedoukian and Hedione HC- Firmenich

    Thanks everyone for your comments. I finally heard back from the supplier and you were right, it is a different mix of isomers. Specifically the cis isomer. According to them the Bedoukian version...
  71. What is the difference between Hedione HC - Bedoukian and Hedione HC- Firmenich

    I have been using the Bedoukian version of Hedione HC all these days and was running short so I ordered some more Hedione HC, but this time I got the Firmenich version from a different supplier. Now...
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    Re: Top notes for floral perfume.

    How about some peppermint? Peppermint and rose goes really well together. Or you can try Freskomenthe, it adds an interesting cooling effect without the heaviness of peppermint.
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    Re: Natural Petrichor

    Have you tried clearwood instead of patchouli? It has a very earthy topnote. That along with Vetiver Bourbon gives a very earthy note. Like walking through a freshly watered garden and putting your...
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    Re: Natural Petrichor

    You are kind off on that part. Agarbatti is just a fairly generic term for indian incense, they are meant to be burnt and are now a days usually made using cheap aroma chemicals.

    What you are...
  75. Re: Rose bulgaria in a very small run of perfume

    You can use reduce the amount of Rose oil you need and extend it using Geranium.
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    Re: Looking for topnote suggestions

    Thanks for the comment, it reminded me to stop randomly throwing stuff together and start with a better plan and build a skeleton and go from there. I have gone back to the drawing board, I decided...
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    Looking for topnote suggestions

    I am creating a labdanum dominated perfume with a heavy dose of white florals. I have the base and the mid, but my top seems to be lacking totally and my mid needs some work. Any suggestions on top...
  78. Re: What's that sparkling- mineral note in Terre d Hermes...

    That is odd, I do not get any musks from TdH and I am fairly certain I remember reading in an interview that the perfumer did not use any musks in TdH. I also do not get Oakmoss nor Treemoss, what I...
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    Re: quality of aromachemicals

    I had the exact same experience with herdione. From what I have understood aroma chems from different suppliers might be totally different not because of adulteration but because of the process that...
  80. Re: New Smelly Game: Incense - Pre-Discussion Thread

    I am an amateur perfumer with a limited pallet. I have smelled the easily available smokey ingredients. Things like rectified birch tar (which to me does not really have a smokey smell instead is...
  81. Re: New Smelly Game: Incese - Pre-Discussion Thread

    The definition of incense is such an interesting topic. Isn't it very region specific? I think I am the only Indian/non-westerner that has participated in this thread. And as such Frankincense really...
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    Re: Rubbing alcohol is fine for making perfumes

    I use IPA instead of Ethanol usually since it is 10 times cheaper. I have what they sell as 99% IPA and to my amateur nose it is slightly sweeter than Ethanol, is that what you mean by stink? I have...
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    Re: Rubbing alcohol is fine for making perfumes

    I am curious, why shouldn't you use IPA for perfume making? It is extremely hard/extremely expensive in a lot of countries to pure ethanol. Pure IPA is easier to get and has similar characteristics...
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    Re: Is this legit?

    Very unlikely it is authentic, the price is just wrong. It is way too cheap. The government sells 100 grams of sandalwood (the wood, not the oil) at around $30. You can have a look here . A few years...
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    Re: Looking for Vetiver Coeur

    David Ruskin and jfrater: Thanks, I will have to get some vetiveryl acetate. I am not sure about the quality of the one I have. Mine has a weird rubbery, phenolic opening. Which just smells kind of...
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    Re: Looking for Vetiver Coeur

    Thanks for the reply. I already have Vetiverol, you are right it is a lovely material but it is a little too light. I am building a vetiver scent and I have Vetiver Bourbon mixed in with Vetiverol....
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    Looking for Vetiver Coeur

    I am not sure if Vetiver Coeur is the right name for it, basically I am looking for non-essential oil versions of vetiver. Something that has the top notes tamed down. Anyone know where I can buy...
  88. Thread: Quinolines

    by needaname
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    Re: Quinolines

    To my amateur nose, 6-methyl quinoline works well in more abstract perfumes. A touch of it worked well in a Terre d'Hermes style perfume I built. Built around a base of Patchouli, Vetiver, a heavy...
  89. Re: Who is familiar with the quality of products " CGHerbals.com " ?

    I have ordered from them a few times, they are not bad. I would suggest staying away from the naturals they offer. Their quality is not the greatest. Their aroma chems on the other hand is not too...
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