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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    The aldehyde should be dosed at 100% - no dilution.
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    Sibie - you are right about the Indole. I looked back and discovered that the Indole I used in my original formula was at 50% dilution. I will go back and correct that in my original formula posts.
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    I looked at my ingredients list and the indole I have is at 50% - so that's the strength of Indole I used, at the percentage (or amount) in my posts. Sibie confirmed this when he made my formula - he...
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    I looked at my ingredients list and the indole I have is at 50% - so that's the strength of Indole I used, at the percentage (or amount) in my posts.
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    Amber Xtreme™
    Cetalox / Ambrox DL (Firmenich)
    Cuir HF (Synarome)
    Heliotropin
    Labdanum Resinoid
    Musk R1 (Givaudan)
    Olibanol (Robertet)
    Orris Concrete
    Sandalwood (Mysore) EO
    Wormwood EO
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    Re: Maritima IFF

    I know this is an old thread - but Linda at Perfumer's Apprentice now sells Maritima http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-8286-maritima-i.aspx?keyword=maritima
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    Re: Karanal source

    I know this is an old thread - but just in case anyone is still following, Christine is now carrying it on her website
    http://perfumersupplyhouse.com/product/karanal-givaudan/
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    Re: Mousse de Saxe

    You can purchase 100% Musk Xylol on Amazon by the seller CSS (Consolidated Chemical)...
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    Re: Orris root absolute

    Milhaus,

    Did you check out the 'suppliers' section on TGSC's page for "orris rhizome absolute" ?

    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/ab1000861.html#tosupp

    There are several sources /...
  10. Re: para-methyl hydratropaldehyde CAS# 99-72-9

    Since I couldn't source P-Methyl Hydratropaldeyde, I ended up using Hydratropic Aldehyde in this formula. The Appell formula for L'Heure Bleue smells VERY close to the current formulation of L'Heure...
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    I wouldn't attempt to substitute either of these chemicals. Both are fairly inexpensive and easy to obtain. I've included links to sites that sell these chemicals. Since you're in Poland -...
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    I just ordered some Linalool Oxide and Alcohols C-8 & C-6 from PA. I'll wait to hear your findings before I make any changes as I'm pretty happy with this accord as is. These materials may be...
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    I think my rational for the Aldehyde C-8 was that it's somewhat similar to Alcohol C-8, which is listed and shares some aspects of the other aldehydes listed. I wanted a black tea accord and...
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    1) I didn't substitute anything for the Linalool Oxide or the other chemicals I didn't have. I just wanted to see what it would smell like with the materials I did have. I realized this is a fairly...
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    Re: Hydrocarboresine (A Biolandes base)

    I agree with Todd. Hydrocarboresine is my favorite incense material. Paired with Olibanol (PSH also sells) and some Myrrh EO, you can create an incense note similar to the incense used in Catholic...
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    Paul,

    Thanks for all the good feedback! I will note that this accord is VERY STRONG. I'm using it in a composition with a black tea note and have cut the percentage of this accord used down to a...
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    To mix a small (6.52 gram) quantity, use this formula:

    0.45 Indole (50%)
    0.19 Methyl Anthranilate
    0.84 Nerolidol
    0.44 CIS-Jasmone
    0.32 Ionone Beta
    0.19 Benzyl Alcohol
    0.44 Geraniol...
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    I didn't use dilutions on any of the 9 materials. It's very much a strong black tea smell - specifically the smell of raw loose black tea (not brewed). If you use the formula I sent you via email -...
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    Re: Black Tea Accord

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221345301500018X

    http://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=pjbs.2008.1336.1341

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    Black Tea Accord

    I'm working on a fragrance with a black tea note and needed a black tea accord. Wasn't having any luck finding one so decided to build my own. I found a few different sources online for the...
  21. Re: Need a fragrance which smells like dove soap

    The Iris Accord I've sited as smelling like Dove soap contains Aldehyde C-11 (ENIC) in addition to 16 other ingredients.
  22. Re: Need a fragrance which smells like dove soap

    After doing side-by-side comparisons of Dove Soap and PA's Iris Key Accord they are very close but there's a subtle sweetness in Dove soap that's missing in PA's Iris Key Accord. This could easily...
  23. Re: Need a fragrance which smells like dove soap

    OK - so I just tried mixing about 15% PA Iris Key Accord in perfumer's alcohol. Sprayed some on and it smells EXACTLY like Dove Soap on my skin - not the faint smell that's left on your skin after...
  24. Re: Need a fragrance which smells like dove soap

    Perfumer's Apprentice sells an aroma accord called "Iris Key Accord" that smells EXACTLY like Dove soap.
    http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-7690-iris-key-accord.aspx
    This could be diluted...
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    Re: Best Value on Oils?

    Bernie - as one other person has mentioned, Save On Scents has high quality SDA 40b perfumer's alcohol. I'be ordered several bottles of perfumer's alcohol from this supplier and have been very happy...
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    Re: Free Fragrance Composition Software

    I found a solution to the exception errors when you try to add materials to Inventory. This program needs to be run in "Windows XP Service Pack 2" compatibility mode under Windows 7 or Windows...
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    Re: Favorite orris replacers?

    Orris is one of my favorite materials so I've been a quest to find less expensive "replacers".

    You can try Irival (IFF). CreatingPerfume.com sells this one....
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    Re: Hydrocarboresine (A Biolandes base)

    Christine - I'm in for minimum of 200g. I have a 5g sample from Biolandes - this is an AMAZING material! Smoky Labdanum-Cistus unlike any Labdanum I've ever bought. I love this material so much, I'm...
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    I stand corrected. Orris Absolute is a more refined version of the concrete/butter/oil using solvents. Orris Concrete and Orris Butter ARE the same material. Because the oil is solid at room...
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    I believe the terms "Orris Butter", "Orris Concrete" and "Orris Absolute" are used interchangeably to describe the same material. To get anything stronger, you'd either have to use a higher...
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    Re: overpowering DPG

    Purchase cosmetic grade DPG and store it in air-tight amber bottles. Light and oxygen are enemies of DPG and will cause it to go bad. I also believe that the plastic bottles it's usually shipped in...
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    Re: U.S. Supplier of Sample Spray Vials

    Nemat does have a $75 minimum order. The cheapest shipping they offer is UPS Ground. For an order of 500 (100 qty pricing) 3.3ml fine mist sprayers shipped within the US, the shipping is $18.19 -...
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    Re: Orris Root Absolute

    Orris Butter (also called "Orris Concrete") is an amazing material and VERY expensive! I also buy mine from Eden. I dilute the butter to 10% in DPG (requires heat to melt the orris butter). Used...
  34. Re: WondAROMA Podcast Episode 8 - A Chat with Mandy Aftel of Aftelier Perfumes

    My favorite WindAROMA so far! Mandy Aftel is a fascinating lady with a very interesting history. My brother has been telling me to get some of her books. After listening to this interview, I think...
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    Re: U.S. Supplier of Sample Spray Vials

    Nemat Intl (California based importer) is where I've been buying sample sprayers. They are fine mist and of decent quality. Paul Kiler told me about this site / supplier and I'm very happy with...
  36. Thread: Civet

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    Re: Civet

    If real Civet absolute (from Robertet) were available in quantities starting at 5g / $24 would there be interest / demand from perfume DIY'ers here?
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    Re: What Material Causes the Soapy Aroma

    As others have mentioned here - the white musks such as Helvetolide, Ethylene Brassylate, Galaxolide, Tonolide, Exaltolide, etc have a clean "soapy" aspect to them. Orris and synthetic orris...
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    Re: Super E Iso, Ambroxan, Timbersilk, etc

    I find that perfumer's alcohol (200 proof SDA 40-B) works the best. It's 200 Proof Denatured alcohol (not drinkable or taxable as liquor), has very low odor and is what the perfume industry uses. ...
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    Re: Lily of the Valley

    I found it with a simple Google search ...

    I believe this is the original source of this info

    http://www.bojensen.net/EssentialOilsEng/EssentialOils17/EssentialOils17.htm
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    Re: Lily of the Valley

    Found this PDF online titled "Headspace of Lily-of-the-Valley Flowers"

    http://www.perfumertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Lily-of-the-Valley-Headspace.pdf

    Both David R and Chris B have...
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    Re: Lily of the Valley

    Lily of the Valley (Muguet) Accord
    Givaudan Educational Formula

    Hexenyl-3-cis Acetate 5
    Leaf Alcohol - 5
    Indolene 50% - 10
    Florhydral - 40
    Benzyl Acetate - 60
    Geranyl Acetate - 120
    Ethyl...
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    Re: Can anybody help with bottle suppliers?

    I've bought some sample spray bottles from this site. In my case, the shipping took a few weeks because they came from China. Looks like they do have some sellers who have 3 ml perfume roll on...
  43. Thread: Muscenone

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    Re: Muscenone

    Great News!!!! Christine @ Perfumers Supply House now has Muscenone for sale on her website!

    http://perfumersupplyhouse.com/product/muscenone-firmenich/
  44. Re: Geosmin - Looking for Guidance About How to Sell It

    I tried diluting about 6 drops of 1% Geosmin in 3ml of perfumer's alcohol (about 60 drops) and at first I could barely smell it. I sprayed a bit of this dilution on my arm and now a couple hours...
  45. Re: Geosmin - Looking for Guidance About How to Sell It

    True. "Consistency of syrup" is how Dow describes it - but I don't think they're referring to maple syrup. It's certainly noticeably thicker than water or alcohol - more like glycerin.
  46. Re: Geosmin - Looking for Guidance About How to Sell It

    The Geosmin (IFF) Christine sells is 1% in DPG. Another site who sells the Geosmin (IFF) in the same dilution / DPG states on their site "Geosmin doesn't seem particularly strong when you sniff the...
  47. Re: Geosmin - Looking for Guidance About How to Sell It

    I will try diluting some of the 1% Geosmin in DPG I purchased from you in perfumer's alcohol and see how it behaves. I think because DPG is heavy and oily, it doesn't project the smell very well. I...
  48. Re: Jasmine flower accord , cis jasmone, methyl jasmonate

    Milhause,

    I would say it's pretty important. Perfumer's Apprentice uses a Givaudan formula for their Jasmine Key Accord and it's loaded with Hedione (methyl dihydro-jasmonate).

    Jasmine Key...
  49. Re: Need your Opinion- Should I Offer Robertet Naturals for Presale Perfumer Supply House

    Christine - I'm definitely interested in a sample set!
  50. Re: Musk nonane (Oxalide T, 10-oxadecahexanolide, OHD musk)

    You're right Bill - companies like Penta & Sigma-Aldrich will only do business with another registered businesses and generally won't sell materials to private individuals. Christine at Perfumer's...
  51. Re: Musk nonane (Oxalide T, 10-oxadecahexanolide, OHD musk)

    TGSC shows suppliers for Musk Nonane (CAS# 1725-01-5) as PentaMfg & Fleurchem.

    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1016871.html

    http://www.fleurchem.com/synth.html
    "10-Oxa...
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    Re: Links to perfumery books

    The Formulation and Preparation of Cosmetics, Fragrances and Flavors: With an Introduction to the Physical Aspects of Odor and Selected Syntheses of Aromatic Chemicals - by Louis Appell

    Here's a...
  53. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I think that vinegary note is Trimofix O (a.k.a. amber decatriene) which has a cedary / vinegary smell. I've noticed it in other fragrances like Mugler Cologne.
  54. Thread: Muscenone

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    Re: Muscenone

    Great news....I just heard back from Christine at Perfumer Supply House. She's going to order Muscenone and start carrying it on her site. You should see it on there in a week or two. ...
  55. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Sorry about that Mumsy. My formula is far from IFRA compliant. It could be the eugenol or possibly the citral. I know both of those are potential irritants. I posted my formula so you can take a...
  56. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Now that everyone has smelled mine, here's my formula.

    Type “Zino” Cybervoltage Final Formula
    ---------------------------------------------------
    Bergamot, 100
    Clary Sage, 35
    Wormwood, 15...
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    Re: Best Value on Oils?

    I wish I had a place like Liberty Natural within driving distance! I've got a 1/2 oz bottle of Mysore from Liberty on its way - so I'll let you know. I've purchased and used their Jasmine Absolute,...
  58. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Thanks for the review Renegade. That minty note is probably the wormwood (artemisia absinthium) i used. Given all the comparisons I read between Zino and Jicky, I decided to play Frankenstein with...
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    Re: Best Value on Oils?

    I'm very happy with Liberty Naturals. I've never received anything of poor quality from them. A couple of days usually go by before my orders from them ship - but I guess I've gotten spoiled with...
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    Re: Best Value on Oils?

    Natural essential oils and extracts from plants contain dozens of chemicals - many of the same isolated chemicals we use in perfumery. The fact that these chemicals are manufactured by nature...
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    Re: Best Value on Oils?

    I completely concur with everyone's feedback to Robspace1. CreatingPerfume.com is a reputable supplier with a vast selection of materials, good prices and excellent customer service. While I do...
  62. Thread: Muscenone

    by cybervoltage
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    Re: Muscenone

    I've emailed Christine @ Perfumer's Supply House about sourcing muscenone. She believes she can get it. Past experience tells me that if there's a demand for a material and she can get it, she'll...
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    Re: Best Value on Oils?

    I'm in the US and purchase most of my naturals from Eden Botanicals http://www.edenbotanicals.com/ and Liberty Natural http://libertynatural.com/.

    Eden Botanicals, in my opinion, is the higher...
  64. Thread: Muscenone

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    Re: Muscenone

    Hermitage Oils in the UK sells muscenone:

    http://www.hermitageoils.com/musk-collection/muscenone
  65. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I put Mstrocovie's "Zeeno" and Davidhoff's Zino (Vintage) on each arm this morning to do a proper side-by-side comparison. Mstrocovie's starts out brighter and louder - very pronounced rosewood and...
  66. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    You ARE a perfectionist Nizan - we all accept this as part of your charm :lolk: Aging really does change the characteristic - but that can take a month or longer so I'd just send what you've got. ...
  67. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I just got Mstrocovie's today. The initial smell is nearly identical to Zino - just a bit louder / more shrill on the rosewood in the opening but almost immediately becomes Zino. I will do a proper...
  68. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Mumsy - interesting that you should mention Rose Oxide. I've got a 1 oz bottle of my 3rd formula in my fridge that I completely destroyed with too much Rose Oxide - which imparted an obnoxious...
  69. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I had a chance to do a side-by-side comparison of Mumsy's "Eau d'Humidor" and vintage Zino. Of all the others I've tested so far, this is the richest. It starts out strong blast of top notes -...
  70. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I just got Mumsy's "Humidor Spray" and have given it an initial try. Very Nice! The strongest of the 3 I've smelled so far. I actually caught that Zino musty smell a few minutes into and and it...
  71. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I was thinking it was either the Clary Sage or Cedar as well ... but I can't get either of those naturals to smell like that. I'm thinking it's some strange chemical they used. Apo Patchone Coeur...
  72. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I received Renegade's creation yesterday and had a chance to do a good side-by-side comparison to Zino this morning. I was surprised by how clear it was. Mine is loaded with labdanum and patchouli...
  73. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Thanks for the accord Mumsy! I actually prefer those "elderly" accord formulas. I have the Louis Appell book "The Formulation and Preparation of Cosmetics, Fragrances and Flavors" and contains many...
  74. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Mumsy,

    I agree, which is why I was very disappointed when Susan @ CreatingPerfume.com wouldn't tell me what is in this accord :(
  75. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Interesting discovery today...I ordered some materials from CreatingPerfume.com and they included a sample of their "Woody Vetiver Accord". I popped open the small vial and gave it a wiff then...
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    Re: Super E Iso, Ambroxan, Timbersilk, etc

    If you are looking to mix up your own, there are lots of good online suppliers who sell Ambroxan, Iso-E Super / Timbersilk, Vetiveryl Acetate (Molecule #03) and these are relatively inexpensive aroma...
  77. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Happy Tuesday Smelly Game-Swap Friends,

    I'm mailing off my samples today to Mumsy, Renegade, ColHP, Mstrocovie, Pkiler & Nizan. The domestic (US) folks should get theirs by the end of this week. ...
  78. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I'm in for the next adventure as well!
    I got ColHP's sample in the mail today !!! How does this work ... are we allowed / supposed to give feedback here on the board or will that mess up the...
  79. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I've got a bunch of addresses and I'm getting ready to send out my "blind" Zino samples - just waiting on some small vials sprayer vials i ordered. I'm going to take my chances and ship my creation...
  80. Re: para-methyl hydratropaldehyde CAS# 99-72-9

    Based on everything I'm reading about p-Methyl Hydratropic Aldehyde, it's a described as green (possibly minty) note with a medium odor strength.

    P-Methyl Hydratropic Aldehyde, Hydratropic...
  81. Re: para-methyl hydratropaldehyde CAS# 99-72-9

    Chris,

    I just found "Phenyl propyl aldehyde" (aka Hydrocinnamaldehyde) CAS # 104-53-0 it at Perfumers World and placed an order for some. Good Scents describes the odor at 10% as "fresh cortex...
  82. Re: para-methyl hydratropaldehyde CAS# 99-72-9

    Just found a description online in an excerpt from a book on flavoring that describes this material as having an "intense, sweet, refreshing odor similar to peppermint".
    ...
  83. Re: para-methyl hydratropaldehyde CAS# 99-72-9

    Thanks for the advice Chris. This formula is from the Louis Appell book. PA sells Acetophenone and I already have this chemical. The 3 suppliers I buy from here in the U.S. don't seem to carry...
  84. Re: para-methyl hydratropaldehyde CAS# 99-72-9

    David,

    Thanks for the advice. The formula I'm mixing (below) calls for 15/1000 at 10% of para-methyl hydratropaldehyde which good scents describes as "floral green sweet woody herbal powdery". ...
  85. Re: para-methyl hydratropaldehyde CAS# 99-72-9

    Thanks David.

    I did some searching and found that Hydratropic Aldehyde (2-Phenyl Propionaldehyde) CAS# 93-53-8 / FEMA 2886 is a very similar molecule with a similar green odor profile. It...
  86. para-methyl hydratropaldehyde CAS# 99-72-9

    Does anyone know where I can obtain para-methyl hydratropaldehyde CAS# 99-72-9 from?

    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1028341.html

    Christine @ PSH tried to obtain some from CTC...
  87. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Hello All,

    My blind impression of Zino has been ready for a while now - I've got a full ounce of "juice" in my fridge. Who do I need to send it to? I'm going to private message PK and Mumsy with...
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    Re: Your top 10 perfumery raw materials

    I stuck with naturals on my list - could come up with another list of top ten synthetics:

    1) Neroli
    2) Petitgrain
    3) Bergamot
    4) Labdanum (resinoid)
    5) Artemesia Absinthium (Wormwood)
    ...
  89. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Happy almost New Year everyone !!!! How is everyone's brew coming along? When are we going to swap?
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    Re: Leather Base for Vintage Leather Chypre

    I bought the Specialty Leather Base from Christine at PSH and I really like it. It has a new leather smell without being too "chemically" smelling like Suederal. It's very different than the...
  91. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Nizan - are you using vanillin powder or do you have it pre-dissolved in a liquid carrier? Both Vanillin and Ethyl Vanillin are white to off-white crystalline powders - so the fact that yours is...
  92. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I played around with Damascol in what I thought was my final batch - but decided to scratch that. It added a peppery / rosy smell that didn't work for me. In what is now my final batch, I lowered...
  93. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Nizan,

    One of the video reviews (male reviewer) talks about rotten flowers. I also found this one on http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/Davidoff/Zino-Davidoff-590.html :

    "I really liked Zino...
  94. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I like the idea of swapping small vials of our concentrate and diluting in alcohol before smelling. I sent Nizan a small vial of concentrate of something else I've been working on and it made it...
  95. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I had the same problem with my first batch - too sweet (vanilla) and too feminine (floral). Fixing the vanilla is easy - just use a LOT less. Fixing the floral issue is more confusing because the...
  96. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    Hey guys - I just mixed my second batch. After a long rest, I found my first batch to have too much vanilla and floral notes - otherwise, it fits my interpretation of all the reviews and...
  97. Re: Smelly game....... then smelly swaps (For after the blind sniff game)

    I just completed my 1st crack at Zino and so far, in my opinion, it's NOT a scrubber :thumbsup: 34 ingredients (more like 60 if you break down the contents of the accords), 14 of which are naturals,...
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    Re: Leather Base for Vintage Leather Chypre

    Thanks for that link Paul. Very inexpensive! I was looking into real ambergris and have read that tincturing these materials yourself is the way to go.

    How much castor would I need to make an...
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    Re: Leather Base for Vintage Leather Chypre

    Thanks Paul - I'll definitely give the PSH leather base a try.

    The Appell base is anything BUT IFRA compliant - but I'd still love to make a batch to see what it smells like! Is it still...
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    Re: Leather Base for Vintage Leather Chypre

    Thanks guys. I will order some from Christine soon. Does that base contain Safraleine? If so, does it contain a large ratio of Safraleine? The only negative feedback I've gotten about my...
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