I found what I was looking for at http://www.calmersolutionsltd.co.uk/myrrh-pourable-839-p.asp
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I found what I was looking for at http://www.calmersolutionsltd.co.uk/myrrh-pourable-839-p.asp
I think a vertical accord would be an accord that unfolds all at once and doesn't change (maybe benzoin, cinnamon and vanilla?)
And a horizontal accord would be something that unfolds over time...
Not go off topic, but does this fragrance smell like artificial grape soda to anyone else?
Thanks as always, PK.
Anyone know where I can get Myrrh resin dissolved in DPG (resinoid?) in hobbyist amounts?
So basically, it sounds like you decide the basic idea of what you want to make, for example "orange anisic amber."
Then you collect the things that are orangey, anisic or ambery, and play around...
Hopefully some of the professional perfumers on this board can answer this question:
With 10,000s of perfumery materials out there, how did you go about selecting the ones you work with?
Thanks for the recipe. I never really liked the odor of UGSLN, but after sniffing it, it stayed in my head for days as a sort of synaesthetic after-image; I've never smelled anything so well...
So, fossilized ("real") amber oil is pretty great stuff. It smells wonderful, has terrific fixative properties and everything else. The only thing is, it's prohibatively expensive - about $100 an oz,...
Ditto on the meds...I found spironolactone to be particularly apt to generate strange B.O.
What is it? Why would I want it?
Is honey absolute any good for adding a honey note to a fragrance, or is it a job better left to synthetics?
I would guess a mix of aroma chemicals based on a resin such as amber, oppoponax, myrrh, labdanum, etc.
What "gets you" about a fragrance probably isn't a single aroma chem, but a synergistic effect between several. Getting a fragrance analyzed is very instructive, though, so if you have the money to...
Thanks, Ashler I ordered their heliotrope maceration oil and it's definitely what it claims to be.
I think of the smell of pho....star anise, beef broth, basil, and fish sauce.
Thanks for the advice, PK and Dr. ST.
Chewbacca absolute? Now that is a new one! I guess wookies aren't a protected species then :D
Thanks for the advice, David :D
Yes, thats what I was trying to ask...any ideas? Thanks...
After much experimentation, I've finally found the spicy "heliotrope" accord I've been hunting for. It's (roughly)
5 parts Champaca Absolute
5 parts Clove EO
1 part Heliotropin
I'd like to...
Thanks. I kinda wonder if that'd capture the lighter molecules or just the particulates?
What'd be the best way to make a perfume that smells like an incense I make? The "juice" that goes on the incence sticks isn't terribly complicated, its honey, heliotrope maceration oil, and clove...
Yes, I'm planning to find some unsuspecting flowers to be my test subject....
That's the idea. The baking soda wouldn't dissolve in ethanol, but the captured aroma compounds would.
Anyone that's ever baked knows how readily baking soda absorbs adjacent flavors/smells. Could this be used to in perfumery? It's also keeps things from going bad, which would stop the decay problem...
Come to think of it, the oil smells almost like the inversion of a flower. Maybe if I get it analyzed and invert the ratios of the constituents, I'd get a floral aroma back?
The maceration oil is made by leaving the flowers out in the sun soaking in coconut oil for a month or two andit smells like it.
I guess I'm just going to have to grow the plant myself. I posted...
Total dirty bullocks huh? Ok, do not want then :P
Hi, according to The Goodscents Company, a legit heliotrope absolute is made in France (http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/ab1062801.html)
The only reputable supplier I can find of said...
Probably because there isn't a big demand for it?
I dunno of anyone that makes what you're looking for, but here's a paper with the volatiles of apple flowers listed http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/jf00025a025
So I can get vanilla extract from Mexico pretty easily here in Oklahoma. Maybe it's coumarin free, I dunno, but you can get it.
If I wanted a vanilla note that smelled like the dried pods (preferably the Mexican variety) and not like imitation vanilla extract, what sort of vanilla product should I get?
So scoff all you want, but I've been finding these "accord pyramid" charts at saveonscents.com very useful: http://www.saveonscents.com/index.php/cPath/456.
I'm wondering, is there a better...
Jsparla, when I was reading your post I was hoping it would end with an integer, and not "happy counting" lol ;)
Sure, why not?
How many molecules are used in the fragrance industry, total?
If they GC'd the sample I got, they'd find it peculiarly similar to frat boy sweat.
David you'll have to forgive my dumbness while I'm learning. Anyway, yes I was planning to primarily use this for incense but I burned two sticks of it yesterday before bed and I had some really...
There are lots of ways to do it. From experience you'll be able to pick out the different "parts" of the smell of a rose, then know what chemicals to mix to recreate the whole thing.
Any suggestions for a slightly stinky, heavy basenote to anchor a heliotropin + mimosa absolute accord?
Hermitage sells a few fruit CO2 extracts.
Hey I just wanted to let everyone know I found a GREAT deal on incense. I have been trying all the stick incense I can get a hold of (Mother's from India, Magnifiscents, etc) and this stuff is...
Thanks. Hopefully I'll find the time soon to start creating and testing some incense blends.
Thanks all. I normally wouldn't be adverse to using synthetics, but in my experience synthetics don't even smell remotely as good as natural oils when burned, for some reason.
PK, have you smelled...
Are there any EOs from flowers that cost less than or around $10 an once? I know of lavender, geranium and hyssop. There is also palma rosa, which is a grass, but supposedly smells like roses. This...
So has anyone smelled pure alpha- or beta- santalol? How does it compare to real santalum album oil? Can it be synthesized more cheaply than real santalum album oil?
saveonscents.com has a great selection of synthetic FOs for candles, incense, cosmetics. If you follow their concentration guidelines, you shouldn't have to worry about irritation on skin. I wouldn't...
Hmmmmm, I don't have experience with pure benzyl benzoate, but I do have some "heliotropin replacer" that's half benzyl benzoate & half heliotropin. It really doesn't have much of it's own smell,...
Comedy option: raspberry ketone
No idea about the relative concentrations - they're not listed in the paper I found. Paper: http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/40/5/1237.full.pdf
I imagine you could make a sort of cherry...
Nizan are you refering to the odor of the flowers or have you tracked down the elusive heliotrope EO??? I haven't had the chance to smell the flowers yet. I posted another thread with a headspace...
Yes it's from gritman. I think it'd be useful in a gasoline or phenolic scent. Definately not subtle.
@Nizan, thanks, yeah I remember seeing that one. I may buy the complete paper. I think there might be enough here to make something?
hexenal - cut grass
1-octen-3-one - Intense earthy,...
Thanks PK. Yeah that's weird...nothing really fruity there.
Here you go: http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/odor/marine.html
Yes it evaporates and fills the room, that's the point.
Good question....I guess an incense top note would just be whatever creates a top note in the aroma of the smoke. Would probably be an oil as opposed to a solid like frankincense. Lavender oil would...
Anyone have an analysis of the volatiles in pomegranate they can share (headspace or any method?)
I have a WIP incense blend that I've been using. It's the following burned on incense charcoal. Ratios are determined by the very scientific TLAR (that looks about right) method.
Mimosa absolute ...
Did the headspace analysis pick up anything else? Maybe there's something in there you can use?
What are some plants in the Fabaceae family that are used in perfumery? I know of broom, mimosa, pea flower, licorice and black locust. Anyone know of others?
Ever since receiving a sample of "heliotrope" fragrance oil from Save on Scents months ago when I started getting into perfumery, I've been a little obsessed with it. I knew that it wasn't REAL...
Thanks I DLed it yesterday, don't know if ill have time to look at it though
Got my heliotrope maceration oil in the mail today. It's really different than the typical heliotropin-based note we often call heliotrope in fragrances. It's evidently impossible create an absolute...
I beleive its a different ratio of isomers.
Well we all know about iso E super, the non-so-secret-anymore ingredient in a lot of modern perfumes that's used to add that certain something. What are some other molecules that don't have much...
So I have been sitting here assuming that the scent of violet flowers is composed mainly of ionones, due to the scent similarity between the two, but browsing thru GSC website it looks like the most...
I think the job of Ambroxan is to make other substances last whilst not having much of it's own smell..."I think" meaning I'm probably wrong and will most likely be corrected in the next post.....
I emailed them, asking how it is made. They said:
It is made from the Heliotrope flowers that we grown in the Gritman Garden. The flowers are put in a fat, we like to use Fractionated Coconut Oil,...
Hmmmm thanks all. It's probably a combo of iso e with the other chems he likes to use (seems to like the watery ones.)
Thanks, that does narrow it down at least a little bit. :/
There's this wonderful transparent basenote that's in JCE's later perfumes. It's most evident in Jardin Sur la Nil and Eau de Hiver. I think I also smell it a little in Sisley eau de champagne. It...
Hi has anyone ordered from Gritman essential oils (http://www.gritman.com/)? Is their stuff the real deal? I was thinking of ordering their heliotrope maceration from them.
Yup looks like they're isomers.
Thanks Chris :)
I got interested since I love fruity smells too. I found this other paper that'll probably be more usefull than the first I posted:...
Here's an article where they analysed the *actual* compounds comming off two varieties of pinneaple. I imagine it would be very useful: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3397533/
Juniper berry would be a good one?
You have quite a bit there! Try tobacco, patchouli or the spices.
For mine (and anyone else's) future reference, 101325-32-0's systematic name is [1a(E),3a]-4-(2,2,3-trimethyl-6-methylenecyclohexyl)-3-Buten-2-one
Does "gamma methyl Ionone" refer to a single chemical or a class of chemicals? I had a sample analyzed by GCMS and one of the constituents was Gamma Methyl Ionone, but the CAS number was really...
Most states in the us you can buy everclear. I know you're in the UK but info for other people reading this.
What about Santalol, the main constituent of Sandalwood EO?
BTW that co2 extract sounds delicious! Maybe make an ice cream shop type frag with it?
Poking around the good scents company is usually a good place to start: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agoodscentscompany.com+elderflower
Can anyone recommend their favorite white musks(single molecule, accord, etc)?
Anyone buy supplies from them? I was wondering if the quality of their products was worth the high shipping (they're in thailand)?
I think the milksugar (lactose) or pumicestone is just to help grinding.
The OP might be interested in this as well: http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/Demeter-Fragrance/Salt-Air-10175.html
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I wonder if there's much difference between natural/synthetic, especially for incense, which is what I'm playing around with. I mean, a molecule is a molecule?
I might be interested.... :D
I am not sure if I enjoy fecal notes or not; I shall wipe my cat's butt with a brick of incense charcoal and light it. I'll let you all know how it goes.
PK introduced me to the perfumer's search tool, which is pretty useful: http://www.perfumersearch.com/
Click "Odor Lookup Search" then enter "salty" in the search bar. Perhaps some of the...