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  1. Re: IFF Captive, until now, available to us at PSH! (Edenolide)

    Being captive is a question of whether a company offers it for sale as a material (not a captive), or keeps it within itself for use in formations.

    If IFF had wanted to, they could have kept...
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    Re: Accord maturation & heat

    By the way your post made me realize, when I was speaking above of higher temperatures I really wasn't speaking, although I totally failed to say that, about personal efforts to speed maturation of...
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    Re: Accord maturation & heat

    :)

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    Re: Accord maturation & heat

    Yes but with a lot less precision than the numbers shown.
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    Re: Accord maturation & heat

    Just a personal rule of thumb: 50 C will age roughly 12 times faster than 25 C and I don't expect any basically aroma materials to have far greater degradation than that. Add another 10 C, now about...
  6. Re: IFF Captive, until now, available to us at PSH! (Edenolide)

    On your first question, I doubt there's anything where it's fundamentally true that a fragrance material "is" masculine or feminine or neuter, but personal perception based on previous experiences...
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    Re: Ruh kewda / Pandanus oil

    I have not, but can say for this product the genuine is hard to come by and is extremely expensive, while fakes abound, particularly from Indian sellers.
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    Re: Shaking/stirring device

    No one said fully mixing was not important!

    So mixing equipment is sold, and used. It's true one can mix by hand motion instead in many cases, but there are other cases with solids or resins where...
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    Re: Shaking/stirring device

    On no one here doing the experiments: Some things, such as whether chemical reaction rates in a fully mixed true solution, with no issues such as precipitation or phase separation or other...
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    Re: Shaking/stirring device

    "Merely" mixing means doing nothing but. Maturation (the term I use) proceeds at the same rate whether continuing to mix past the point of being fully mixed, which is quickly accomplished, or not. If...
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    Re: Shaking/stirring device

    I did not say that it did, now did I.

    Reading comprehension would be your friend.

    I regret clicking to see your post and will not make that mistake again. (I had wondered if you might have...
  12. Re: Creating fragrances with basenotes only

    If he hasn't smelled all of these four materials and instead posted based on his theorizing alone, that would hardly be a first -- or the 30th or 40th.
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    Re: Shaking/stirring device

    It would take measuring but I expect for most of us, oxygen has long since reached equilibrium in our alcohol and aromamaterials (in other words, will tend to neither absorb more or release any on...
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    Re: Shaking/stirring device

    Shaking will do the job 100%.
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    Re: Shaking/stirring device

    I haven't seen what they use but it may be a vortex mixer, which has the advantage of not having to add or remove anything to or from the material being mixed.

    Once a solution is fully mixed,...
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    Re: Question about notes ratio

    Smell it and see! :)
  17. Re: Orange Blossom/Neroli Accord- do I have the right stuff?

    The formula was designed to showcase Florhydral, so it stands to reason that without that it will suffer badly. That's the raison d'etre of such formulas.
  18. Re: Orange Blossom/Neroli Accord- do I have the right stuff?

    So far as I know PA's accords (so-called "Key Accords" though there is nothing key about them) are simply copies of demo formulas for particular ingredients. I wouldn't recommend them above for...
  19. Thread: One Tip

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    Re: One Tip

    A first consideration is, what is the accuracy of your scale? (There is another recent thread with a post on accuracy vs precision, but briefly, if a scale says it is precise to say 0.001 g, on one...
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    Re: Rate yesterday’s soup de jour!

    I bought the 200 g version of that scale, on your recommendation of that make, and definitely second the recommendation.

    I may be wrong on this because the information available on the eBay page...
  21. Re: Hi guys. at this crazy times.... Anti septic formula anyone?

    [not my day on posting: misread above post and so my intended reply had zero relevance]
  22. Re: I hope this question about a "personality" doesn't offend anyone, but I need to ask...

    [accidental double post]
  23. Re: I hope this question about a "personality" doesn't offend anyone, but I need to ask...

    A number of times in a number of areas a way to success is to adopt or present a persona of a cult leader type. Admitting merits to other ways or shortcomings of the advocated way doesn't work well...
  24. Re: I hope this question about a "personality" doesn't offend anyone, but I need to ask...

    Not just you, but whether just you and me, I don't know.
  25. Re: Hi guys. at this crazy times.... Anti septic formula anyone?

    If concerned about a virus, it's a question of washing off (and preferably minimizing picking up and spreading to face) vs antimicrobial activity, so nothing special is needed.
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    Re: Best Kits for Beginners

    ^^^
    This.

    Also these days it doesn't have to cost a lot.
  27. Re: How do you access the GCA page on TGSC?

    It already was!

    Having an entire list to scan through can quickly show information you want actually is available and so prompt you to go get it. I had previously relied on the Essential Oils...
  28. Interesting for some: Progress apparently made in replicating cannabis odor

    I got an e-mail alerting me of this as a result of Abstrax being a terpenes supplier I've bought from (very happy with them by the way).

    As this exact matter has been posted and discussed a number...
  29. Re: How do you access the GCA page on TGSC?

    Thank you Big L!
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    Re: Sandalwood Perfume

    Quite likely waxing eccentrically and impractically philosophical here, but Mr P's post and others remind me:

    We had a member, DrSmellThis, who often made a point I found very interesting and had...
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    Re: Sandalwood Perfume

    [accidental double post]
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    Re: Sandalwood Perfume

    My grandmother had a box made of sandalwood, either all or entirely I don't now know, and I believe that is my main memory reference.

    Real mysore was once cheap and widespread.
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    Re: Sandalwood Perfume

    Needaname, To me the santalol is a major part of it, in itself absolutely (for me) triggering the recognition and getting into the general feeling, and doesn't distract me with "off" notes.

    But it...
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    Re: Sandalwood Perfume

    Hi James!

    I have yet to acquire a sandalwood that matches what I smelled in the 70's even in common (though high end) products such as soaps.

    Perfumer's Apprentice sells something they call a...
  35. Re: My order for perfumers supply house:) !!!

    What comes to mind immediately is concretes of jasmine sambac, tuberose, lavender, geranium, and violet leaf, and Jasmine sambac floral wax. Essential oils I have purchased from them have always been...
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    Re: Ingredients with no sweetness

    Glad it helped!

    Not saying it's a fact this will help, but I understand it has been thoroughly demonstrated (in the industry) that non-professional evaluators' given reasons for not liking things...
  37. Re: Can someone please tell me what the difference is between

    Not to repeat myself but this thread seems more about showing the quite large amount you know than being genuinely interested in any answers to "questions." Best advice is to study each material...
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    Re: Ingredients with no sweetness

    You can use the Search function at TGSC, http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/search2.html , and enter Sweet into the Search for Odor. Avoiding using any of these ingredients could solve the problem....
  39. Re: Can someone please tell me what the difference is between

    Really answering these would require not just posts or even a single book but volumes of books.

    To quote a review of a good book on the subject that I read substantially, but not all of, back when...
  40. Re: Can someone please tell me what the difference is between

    Thank you, I appreciate that.

    Overall I feel that there are broad generally true answers for your original questions as taken broadly, and others gave great such answers.

    If needing a detailed,...
  41. Re: My order for perfumers supply house:) !!!

    First to be sure I don't communicate anything that's the opposite of what I'd want to communicate: Below I am in no way criticizing the fine suppliers Creatingperfume.com or Perfumer's Apprentice. I...
  42. Re: Can someone please tell me what the difference is between

    I see your reply and in a vast number of words you failed to back your insistence I was incorrect in my statement, very much applicable to anyone involved with the FDA and essential oils, which you...
  43. Re: Can someone please tell me what the difference is between

    Not that it's important, but I was struck by seeing the comma in your quote, as there was none originally yet I was accused of ignoring the alleged comma, an accusation which I chose to, well, ignore...
  44. Re: Can someone please tell me what the difference is between

    Well I sincerely hope you do know more than me. Working for 20 years plus in industries requiring FDA compliance of course does not mean I know everything about compliance. If so, kindly tell me...
  45. Re: Can someone please tell me what the difference is between

    Coca-Cola's extract? That's the specific one you said. Seems implausible.

    You are not correct re FDA. Some eo's can be used in foods and others, not. Even within a type that can be allowed, some...
  46. Re: Perfumer and Flavorist Article, March 2020 issue, Feature article on PK and Schiff bases.

    I agree with that reason for no reason to favor organic, but in some cases I believe the extraction method can be different, which can affect results. The differences between Eden Botanicals...
  47. Re: Can someone please tell me what the difference is between

    Interesting, I did not know that, thank you, though I believe it remains correct that no one but Coca-Cola is going to have what you said specifically, Coca-Cola's extract.

    And it certainly...
  48. Re: Can someone please tell me what the difference is between

    Coca-Cola decocaine-ized coca leaf extract does not fit into any real-world list of perfuming at all, as it is 100% unobtainium to anyone but perhaps 0.01% of Coca-Cola employees if even that, is not...
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    Re: My formula (advice+help)

    IMO, it is way too heavy in Javanol. Paradoxically, overdosing Javanol makes sandalwood note seem weaker.

    Unlike many other materials, it seems Javanol overdose commonly blunts scent perception...
  50. Re: Can someone please tell me what the difference is between

    Thank you for posting this (as well as the unquoted parts.)

    It reminded me first of something about hydrosols I think interesting, and, bigger, reminded me of something I really wanted to do but...
  51. Re: anyone know a place to do a cheap safety and stability test, USA?

    Cheapest way is to buy a thermostatically controlled hotplate, make an open-ended reasonably insulated box that can sit on top of it and enclose it and what you have on it, set to 45 C (48 C has been...
  52. Re: Formulas - numbers next to the ingrediants - meaning?

    As an example, picking this one as it was included in a formula recently discussed:

    https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/Images/sds/Key%20Accord%20Formula/orangeflower.pdf

    Terpineol alpha - 25...
  53. Re: Formulas - numbers next to the ingrediants - meaning?

    Glad it helped! :)
  54. Re: Formulas - numbers next to the ingrediants - meaning?

    They can be whatever weight you want.

    It's usually easier to sum the ingredients and if they don't add to 100, to 1000, or to whatever total weight you want, divide or multiply as needed.
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    Re: So I got my oakmoss. Now what?

    Not allowed by IFRA, which differs from not allowed period.
  56. Re: Beginner- is it possible to create your own fragrance oils?

    "Fragrance oil" = commercial product containing mostly a carrier and some amount of aromachemicals and possibly essential oils, generally cheaply made. For some reason I think many just starting out...
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    Re: So I got my oakmoss. Now what?

    It's still too cheap to be real, and the same company sells other clear fakes.
  58. Re: The art of Perfume vs. other arts: 5 Things I've Realized

    I"m sure, as you teach it, that you know more than me on it, but I wanted to add for those that read popular "physics" books that a tremendous amount of their content is misrepresentation and quite...
  59. Re: The art of Perfume vs. other arts: 5 Things I've Realized

    Yes, there are definitely times when Gould is in his own world! :)

    And in some cases maybe another place may suit us better!

    Regardless he is my overall favorite, but I mostly picked him...
  60. Re: What am I doing wrong? Cedar oils in an EO blend

    I feel that the main cause of nearly all of my early efforts being disasters is that due to having a limited supply of essential oils and, early on, using nothing but them, individual ingredients...
  61. Re: The art of Perfume vs. other arts: 5 Things I've Realized

    Just adding a little on the piano and synthesizer question (formerly a decent pianist and recording engineer):

    Hammers moving, flying freely as they do with no remaining connection to the finger,...
  62. Re: Diluting oils, and working with pure ingrediants

    First usually if wanting to make a 20% product, the great majority of materials used would not have been prediluted to 10%.

    Not that one may not be able to do it, but it's inconvenient.

    If...
  63. Re: Clove & Cinnamon in Old Fragrances -Littlle Discussion

    To that, at least for Orientals using these, I think add the fact that at the time, "Oriental" had a lot of mystique and interest, and these materials help a lot towards that effect.

    Perhaps also...
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    Re: Exaltone v. Exaltolide

    If money comfortably allows and you have all the very frequently used materials already then certainly yes.

    If budget and lacks of the current library require buying some materials but not others,...
  65. Re: Advice regarding the diluting of civet absolute

    I am not sure on the terminology you mean.

    The Robertet product is labeled as an absolute and doesn't need tincturing.

    I would understand extracting with ethanol and evaporating off the ethanol...
  66. Re: Creating Perfume vs Perfumers Apprentice Study Kits

    In no way denying your personal experience, but sharing the flip side: Susan has gone above and beyond for me and I couldn't be more pleased with her service.

    In one example, ANOTHER vendor had...
  67. Re: Advice regarding the diluting of civet absolute

    My Robertet Civet Absolute does not smell the same as the civet tinctures I have made and I wouldn't know what to add to it for it to do so. For some time I was not happy with Robertet Absolute but...
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    Re: Recreating a designer fragrance

    I don't, I am on limited funds.

    I have never achieved what I'd consider a hard-to-distinguish dupe. I don't think it's within my skill set to do so, despite being at it for what 8 years now I...
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    Re: Recreating a designer fragrance

    My wife, fortunately, believes I save money by coming up with a personal version of a commercial fragrance.

    The exact opposite is true.

    Unless going through quite a lot of bottles, cheaper to...
  70. Re: Advice regarding the diluting of civet absolute

    If you want to wait a bit, on my to-do list is reacting Robertet civet absolute with methyl anthranilate to, I hope, convert the skatole to the corresponding Schiff base, which should reduce fecal...
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    Re: Patchoulol question

    In general, because there is nothing to interfere with the packing of the crystal lattice, pure materials have a higher melting point than when impurities (which cannot fit properly into the crystal...
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    Re: Sylvamber Formulation

    For some materials that's true. Here, probably not, but mixing into a bottle means that what you have done can be reevaluated repeatedly, and also results will be consistent. Spreading on the forearm...
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    Re: Sylvamber Formulation

    I missed seeing that!

    Yes, absolutely!

    Now I've done a lot of "forearm testing" and it can have its uses but it's absolutely necessary to mix formulas in bottles/vials/whatever and evaluate the...
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    Re: Sylvamber Formulation

    I don't know why, but as the differences are there, I'd suggest labeling each mix and keeping going back to them over time and seeing what differences you do start to spot.

    Even better would be if...
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    Re: Sylvamber Formulation

    Probably many of us started in perfuming in a similar way. Myself, I saw that my wife and I have very similar tastes in perfume. I wasn't (and am still not) aware of any perfume (as opposed to...
  76. Re: Algorithmic Perfumery / robo-shop perfumes

    Hi Dana, I am by no means expert in it and have put in no time thinking about possible genetic algorithms for perfumes or whether that is a better approach compared to pattern recognition, nor...
  77. Re: Algorithmic Perfumery / robo-shop perfumes

    Can you share how you know there are no programs able to or in use to produce commercial formulas? You say it quite definitively.

    Or are you hinging on a distinction between intelligent automation...
  78. Re: Algorithmic Perfumery / robo-shop perfumes

    The illustration quoted was intended to be more for amusement and for the sake of illustrating that even the ultra-simplest of approaches can accomplish something which may smell decent. The...
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    Re: Patchoulol question

    Well for example "rhodinol" products are often described as isolates but no one compound makes up 95% or anything like it. (Typically I think citronellol + geraniol no more than 85% claimed.) But I...
  80. Re: Algorithmic Perfumery / robo-shop perfumes

    Within the major houses there are almost undoubtedly thousands of formulas on hand, even tens of thousands.

    And each will have claimed notes associated with it.

    It doesn't seem surprising to...
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    Re: Smell Sketches - Feb. 2020 - Hedione

    I hope I can do it this time! Presently spots on the weekend are all I can hope for, and for the last challenge, turned out there was no hope...

    I'd been interested already in the idea of a...
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    Re: Patchoulol question

    In the nutritional and cosmetic industries absolutely, if it is extracted from the plant with nothing added, which I understand to be the case.

    For perfumery I do not know industry nuances in...
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    Re: Patchoulol question

    It's bogus, which has happened before with this supplier, or is diluted, or is quite impure.
  84. Re: Galaxolide 50 smells like nail polish?

    Or, that it is neither.
  85. Re: Galaxolide 50 smells like nail polish?

    What is that one supplier?

    Have never experienced that.
  86. Re: Water-based perfume: (glycol) solvents comparison question

    Since your water percentage will be very high I would suggest using an emulsifier designed for essential oils. I have used only the Straetman's product but there are many:...
  87. Re: Water-based perfume: (glycol) solvents comparison question

    Probably not though it might have somewhat more solubilizing power for some compounds and somewhat less for others.

    I have used it in cosmetics but never tried using it as a solvent.

    Since your...
  88. Re: Identification of a particular musk ingredient

    Most likely non-existent and certainly generally not used these days in non-fine-fragrance commercial products and at most rare now even there.
  89. Re: The Alchemist Atelier - The Scent Creator // Opinions?

    No. You would be better off buying materials and blending yourself. This ties the buyer down completely needlessly to the company's own limited range of materials.
  90. Re: Where can I buy Ambreine (Labdanum extract)

    A great post on this: http://www.basenotes.net/threads/333323-Aroma-chemicals!?p=2959379&viewfull=1#post2959379

    Perfumers Apprentice sells the labdanum extract type.

    IMO, Aftelier has far, far...
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    Re: IFRA Restrictions in USA?

    Wow. I had not known that that had happened.

    It is a good example that the incompetent can accomplish bad things that the competent could scarcely conceive as plausibly likely other than if...
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    Re: Timbersilk and ISO E Super question

    Although personal opinion only, another thing to consider is while many fairly new to perfuming commonly feel "stronger is better" this is by no means already true, particularly as levels get higher...
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    Re: Linalool smelling Fishy

    You're very welcome!

    Susan (Creatingperfume.com) does have it, and it's sourced from Vigon! :)

    https://www.creatingperfume.com/images/SDS%20Sheet%20PDFs/Linalool_Synthetic_SDS.pdf
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    Re: Linalool smelling Fishy

    All three could be high or low quality or anywhere in-between. These three are different materials.

    The first being a natural extract that's predominantly L-isomer (which sometimes one may want...
  95. Re: Weight Of Fractionated Coconut Oil In Grams per mL

    :)

    Same here!!
  96. Re: Weight Of Fractionated Coconut Oil In Grams per mL

    Thank you Ivor.

    Apology absolutely accepted, and further I owe you and do apologize as well for my response at that time. I understand where you were coming from with the discussion in question,...
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    Re: Linalool smelling Fishy

    If I had been more on the ball I would have been refrigerating my linalool, or at least any I expected to remain un-used for a long time, as it's not particularly stable, and now that you're brought...
  98. Re: Weight Of Fractionated Coconut Oil In Grams per mL

    I didn't consider that nomenclature problem to have to invalidate reported value which was stated in clear terms which I repeated, g/mL, which are valid for density and directly applicable to the...
  99. Re: Natural Florals that Give me a Headache...

    Very very interesting and informative. Thank you.

    While I do not get headaches, not uncommonly when fragrances bother me I feel the need to blow my nose violently and repeatedly -- it can be quite...
  100. Re: Weight Of Fractionated Coconut Oil In Grams per mL

    It seems unlikely, vegetable oils seemed to me to be generally around 0.9 g/mL and I don't think FCO would be markedly different.

    A quick websearch yielded:...
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