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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Seems like a good investment. I passed on some opportunities years ago that i realize now I should never have missed... Major regrets.
    Anyway, thanks for sharing the images - it stirs up dreams...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    Sorry if the question about price was too direct. I can't help but wonder what these large pieces go for, given the cost of the smaller chips. Must be a considerable premium for a large, intact...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    A question about forum rules. I have some old ouds I may want to unload some day on eBay or a web site or in the market section here or wherever - I'm figuring that out. I know it is against forum...
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    That's a beauty! How much did that chunk of agarwood set you back!?

    Can I also ask (maybe I missed this in an earlier post): what do you mean by "yellow soil" agarwood?

    Thanks!
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    Re: Agarwood oil thread.

    I have smelled the two kalakassi oils. It has been years though. To me they were quite different. It surprised me at the time that they bore the same name. I lack the vocabulary to describe the...
  6. Re: Quest for THE Assam OUD. The Journey starts !

    You heard of a distiller named Tajul Bakshi? Might be a good point of reference for thoughtfully distilled Assam oud!
  7. Agarwood oils - origins and production

    I know this has been asked before but has anyone encountered carbon dioxide extracts of agar wood from any suppliers other than Nisarga Biotech (this is the company whose agar wood co2 total is being...
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    Siam benzoin (milky pink-white) is indeed very...

    Siam benzoin (milky pink-white) is indeed very plastic-like in large quantities. Baieido uses it in some of their mid-level aloes wood sticks like syokukoku (the more expensive version). Sumatra...
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    Those aluminum flasks are quite the symbol of...

    Those aluminum flasks are quite the symbol of Mysore government sandalwood. Many unscrupulous sellers on eBay sell junk in flasks designed to imitate those old classic government bottles... Watch...
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    Papua sandalwood is strange, at least what I...

    Papua sandalwood is strange, at least what I smelled. Less viscous than Indian oil, more volatile. It has a peculiar tart, vaguely fruity note that is hard to describe - not like mastic exactly but...
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    Alshareef - good point, well said. I feel like...

    Alshareef - good point, well said. I feel like the ratio of legitimate information to marketing jargon is not very good around here at times (no offense to anyone in particular - just seems like a...
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    What language are these words? Kien, seah I mean.

    What language are these words? Kien, seah I mean.
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    Holy crap. That's the best thing I've read on...

    Holy crap. That's the best thing I've read on here in a while. I am seriously jealous of your creative leap forward in your approach to narration of inner fragrance journeys.
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    Anchorage is oud limbo. Someone there seems to...

    Anchorage is oud limbo. Someone there seems to have it in for oud consumers - that is where all of my problems have occurred. Do you really believe they were sending it to a lab in Seattle?! How...
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    What happened to Lao oud? Haven't seen any for...

    What happened to Lao oud? Haven't seen any for sale in a long time... What I have smelled is pretty wild - tangy zesty animalic with pronounced overtones of spikenard or valerian. Ensar'd old...
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    Fazil - What you say makes sense - there has...

    Fazil -

    What you say makes sense - there has been a change in marketing as oud has become more mainstream in the west. Pre-2000 it was pretty obscure - rarely saw anyone with anything other than...
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    Fazil - no need to apologize. What I meant in...

    Fazil - no need to apologize. What I meant in part was that I don't take it too seriously when someone selling oud tells me everyone else's oud is low quality, impure, etc. I've been hearing that...
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    Fazli - I wouldnt take such generalizations too...

    Fazli - I wouldnt take such generalizations too seriously.
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    Given the fact that we are talking about...

    Given the fact that we are talking about international trade in materials that are either endangered or botanically very difficult to distinguish from related species that are endangered, this kind...
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    Ok - just now read the note you guys are reacting...

    Ok - just now read the note you guys are reacting to. In light of that info. much of what I posted here may be outdated. What if the oil was sold as a fragrance diffusers and such? Add a label...
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    This situation is not unusual. You will be...

    This situation is not unusual. You will be billed an additional $20 by fedex after Taha provides and msds and gcms or certificate of analysis for fhe oil along with clear explanation that it is a...
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    That list of plants is old. 1980s... So that's...

    That list of plants is old. 1980s... So that's not the issue. I for one would love a little clarity having missed whatever message you all are discussing. I have heard the following over the years...
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    I was under the impression the wood has been more...

    I was under the impression the wood has been more restricted than the oil for a while now. Not that I have any actual knowledge beyond heresay. I wonder how one would locate specific laws related...
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    I have encountered FDA challenges at customs over...

    I have encountered FDA challenges at customs over several years. I wonder how different this is. I was assessed an additional fee by the shipper to cover the costs of dealing with FDA paperwork. I...
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    Why confiscated? Was the content/value declared...

    Why confiscated? Was the content/value declared fully? I've had FedEx stuff linger in customs for a while when a seller failed to include an MSDS and detailed product description. Once customs...
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    Oh - thanks for the details I was posting while...

    Oh - thanks for the details I was posting while you were posting. I am sure this can be solved with labeling. "natural fragrance oil - external use only - not for human consumption" - there are many...
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    Just to be safe I'm putting all my oud on the...

    Just to be safe I'm putting all my oud on the ground though. Airspace... What does that mean?!
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    So someone is saying they cannot take oud orders...

    So someone is saying they cannot take oud orders from us customers? Can someone post a summary - I am not on whoever-it-is's email list. "Airspace"? I recall several vendors recently dividing oils...
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    GLTASN - what news are you referring to? I must...

    GLTASN - what news are you referring to? I must have missed something...


    GLTASN - Today, 03:16 PM
    what a bummer waking up to todays news. I hope its a temp problem as it would be a shame for...
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    I have seen crystallization and sediment...

    I have seen crystallization and sediment formation. Seem like different processes to me at least.
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    When I see separation it is usually in my solvent...

    When I see separation it is usually in my solvent extracted oils - co2 or absolute. I guess there is not a chance of any solvent extracts being part of the oil manufacturing process? Otherwise must...
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    It's a way to check scent on an old piece that...

    It's a way to check scent on an old piece that has lost its fragrance anyway. A quick wipe or rinse does the trick and I doubt it changes the wood much.
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    It is amazing how much the water lifts the aroma....

    It is amazing how much the water lifts the aroma. Something to do with the mechanics of olfaction. T
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    Awesome! Photo!?

    Awesome! Photo!?
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    Malaysian ouds I have small experience with. In...

    Malaysian ouds I have small experience with. In general the ones have smelled have had good complexity and projection. They have been very earthy and swampy without the cow/horse/elephant manure...
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    One way: if it is just wood (no fabric or...

    One way: if it is just wood (no fabric or anything delicate attached) you can rinse it with water and this will allow you to detect any lingering scent better. This was suggested to me once long ago...
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    Indonesians are pretty diverse depending on where...

    Indonesians are pretty diverse depending on where the wood was growing. Also keep in mind that Indonesia is a human geographical designation and does not represent a totally disinct ecoregion from...
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    I have not found a good correlation between resin...

    I have not found a good correlation between resin density and odor quality. Some of my most superlative smelling woods are not particularly dark and some of my densest sinking woods are not the most...
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    I do see some convergence of scent in the vials...

    I do see some convergence of scent in the vials in which a small residue remains. The aromas in general become tarter and more simple... Not exactly rancid but definitely heavily oxidized. The...
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    Lemon balm is like a weed - it spreads very...

    Lemon balm is like a weed - it spreads very aggressively, which is awesome.
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    Out of curiosity I ordered some samples from a...

    Out of curiosity I ordered some samples from a supplier mentioned here in the past: Liberty Natural Products. They had what they identify as an agarwood oil from Vietnam and a sandalwood oil from...
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    Looks nice - not all polished and waxy... that...

    Looks nice - not all polished and waxy... that actually looks like natural agarwood that no one has screwed with. Your image resembles the appearance of the Baieido woods I bought about a decade ago...
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    Yep - mason jars are perfect. Sandalwood has...

    Yep - mason jars are perfect. Sandalwood has been shown to lose its aroma much more quickly than aloeswood so it is even more (or at least equally) important to keep sealed.
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    Lc - I can't see those photos. Just a page with...

    Lc - I can't see those photos. Just a page with an ad for an upload service. Wonder what I'm doing wrong?
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    Yep... those prices should be a red flag. Half a...

    Yep... those prices should be a red flag. Half a liter of frankincense for $15 sounds like a fragrance oil to me for sure. Sorry you got burned.
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    Hey 5MeO. Yes monkoh is the method with the coal...

    Hey 5MeO. Yes monkoh is the method with the coal and ash... where it's such a hassle and requires so much focus and sustained attention that it never seems worth the hassle. :lolk: Awesome for...
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    This is very disappointing to hear. I had good...

    This is very disappointing to hear. I had good experiences with them years ago but it sounds like maybe there are two faces to this business, maybe selling junk if he thinks the buyer is naive? At...
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    I don't know if you are joking or not. Just in...

    I don't know if you are joking or not. Just in case, to start it smells gooood. First time I caught a good deep whiff I was actually startled in spite of having burned a good bit of high quality...
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    What I'm trying to say is that if what I learn...

    What I'm trying to say is that if what I learn from said mental masturbation translates to me getting the opportunity to choose between spending $300 on some tolerable distillation of juicy fruit...
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    5MeO - I know how you feel, but there is one...

    5MeO - I know how you feel, but there is one little thing that makes it not so awful. Kyara, when heated monkoh (sp.?) style is actually not that expensive to burn. The wood is so dense in resin...
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    "We are trying to let others know that Kinam is...

    "We are trying to let others know that Kinam is found in all regions."

    This makes sense. I am understanding that good kyara is a subtype of kinam with a particular aroma, perhaps mainly from...
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    Here's a random sampling of the bullshit I'm...

    Here's a random sampling of the bullshit I'm talking about. Borneo kyara, papua kyara, red kyara oil, Cambodian kyara. I mean seriously WTF?

    Borneo Agarwood SUPER wild Kyara Oud Grade AAA Highly...
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    "Pretty neat how the Borneo Kynam/Kyara takes on...

    "Pretty neat how the Borneo Kynam/Kyara takes on the Borneo scent and taste but still numbs your mouth when chewed. I still have a lot to learn about this "

    Sorry but I think this needs to be set...
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    The good vintage sandalwood remains utterly...

    The good vintage sandalwood remains utterly elusive. By vintage I mean distilled in a particular place at a particular time from a particular batch of wood using a particular method. I wonder why...
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    This just came up while searching for "vintage...

    This just came up while searching for "vintage sandalwood oil". This is agarwood level pricing. Crazy...

    http://www.kgstiles.com/moreinfosandalwoodtamil/
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    I will disagree, respectfully. Lined and unlined...

    I will disagree, respectfully. Lined and unlined aluminum flasks are a very common vehicle for essential oils and in fact the authentic KSDL sandalwood was packaged in such flasks. I think in most...
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    Alshareef - I'd be curious to know what types...

    Alshareef -

    I'd be curious to know what types of information you would not be willing to share and what your reasoning is, that is: what kinds of oud lore would give someone a competitive edge...
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    U r all kyara noobs. I AM THE REAL KYARA MASTER....

    U r all kyara noobs. I AM THE REAL KYARA MASTER. Send your samples to me and I will tell you how they compare to what I read on a website. :dankk2:
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    Ah - 5meO - you are the oud scholar! Not sure...

    Ah - 5meO - you are the oud scholar! Not sure why I addressed listesclosely in that last message. I was replying to you, of course. Fascinating indeed, no doubt the deepest mysteries have yet to...
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    The first link is actually RKsons (reviewed many...

    The first link is actually RKsons (reviewed many times here). I have smelled sandalwood from RKSons and am not convinced it is pure Indian sandalwood oil - I thought it had other species of...
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    Sounds interesting. If you are willing to keep...

    Sounds interesting. If you are willing to keep me posted I would be grateful. A Vanuatu without the ashtray note could be wonderful!
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    That's some interesting oud lore there,...

    That's some interesting oud lore there, Listensclosely. I read the following: "Following the "great shaming" (as it came to be called by the persecuted scrotum scrubbers) an underground fraternity...
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    That's what I was afraid of. Anyway I guess...

    That's what I was afraid of. Anyway I guess there are worse things to dilute your oud in than Vaseline (?), whatever your eventual purpose. I mean... lard would be worse, right? That's about the...
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    I'm not sure I want to know... :undecided:

    I'm not sure I want to know... :undecided:
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    "He did say in the clip that you don't have to...

    "He did say in the clip that you don't have to use expensive oils, cheap oils are fine."

    Well that's a relief. And here I was just about to dump my super-ateeq Kalimantan into the boiling vat of...
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    Maybe we can send in some oud ninjas and rescue...

    Maybe we can send in some oud ninjas and rescue the oud. It isn't too late to be recovered by distillation right? Right?
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    Brilliant reflection on the barnyard. Blue...

    Brilliant reflection on the barnyard. Blue cheese is a truly perfect analogy and I will see the barnyard scent more clearly in this light. Funny how a point of view can change the way you see...
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    Seeing that video... some people have too much...

    Seeing that video... some people have too much oud. Wearing oud is charity my a**. How about some actual oud charity... I could cry... surely that guy can donate some oud to low income addicts who...
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    "has anyone try this Vaseline+Oud? check this...

    "has anyone try this Vaseline+Oud? check this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQtAcZ3lDWs"

    My god that's disturbing. What the f**k? Dumping that much oud into vaseline as if it's... I...
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    Random musing - I was recently craving a Subitism...

    Random musing - I was recently craving a Subitism burner, and grudgingly pulling out some coals to light, when I looked over at my kitchen range. One of the few times I'm glad to have an electric...
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    26th December 2014: So the test batch of the Sri...

    26th December 2014: So the test batch of the Sri Lankan sandalwood oil is ready. The guy's gonna be couriering it to me on Monday, very excited to smell it!

    Well...sorry to be pushy but I have...
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    Alshareef - if you can point me to a source of...

    Alshareef - if you can point me to a source of Vanuatu or Hawaiian sandalwood oil that doesn't smell like an ashtray, I will be very grateful! Seriously - the only stuff I have gotten my hands on...
  73. Recluse Recluse - 20th December 2014, 01:17 AM...

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    Attars and Mysore Sandalwood oils by pure-incense.com in the UK? Such low rates?

    http://www.pure-incense.com/oils-and...nd-resins.html

    I don't...
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    I have seen huge differences in aroma and quality...

    I have seen huge differences in aroma and quality in New Caledonia and Australian oils - probably because these are the species currently being exploited now that the santalum album crop has crashed...
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    I believe sistillation method is critical in...

    I believe sistillation method is critical in sandalwood quality, though the variation among sandalwood oils is somewhat subtler than among ouds. But then again oud comes from many different species...
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    That makes sense - I could see it as "clear" and...

    That makes sense - I could see it as "clear" and I see now what you were trying to say in your first post. If I had to guess (and I am not really qualified to make this claim) I would think that oil...
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    I smelled that oil - I recall when it first...

    I smelled that oil - I recall when it first appeared. Hope it's not too rude to say it did not impress me. I tried wearing it a dozen times or so... Never really detected any character - very...
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    "You can't argue with stupid." This, right...

    "You can't argue with stupid."

    This, right here. Listen to this advice... You could save yourself a lot of time...
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    Good points. Depends on how you use the...

    Good points. Depends on how you use the applicator as well. If you allow a drop from the tip to adhere to your skin via a surface tension effect, you can apply oil with an inserted applicator...
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    Sounds reasonable to me! Sandalwood nerds need...

    Sounds reasonable to me! Sandalwood nerds need an advocate out there wherever it is being made... I take my hat off to you if you are able to assume that role or encourage others to do so!!
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    Bulgarian rose Otto and Ajmal budget oud (the oud...

    Bulgarian rose Otto and Ajmal budget oud (the oud smells like a generic Assam / Lao/ cambodi blend)
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    I am guessing you get these in volumes less than...

    I am guessing you get these in volumes less than 60 ml... Either that or you are a high roller...
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    Sounds lovely. What sets the China ex. apart for...

    Sounds lovely. What sets the China ex. apart for me is the rugged / intense nature of the oil in conjunction with its peculiar notes. It has such a pungent peaty earthy and resinous quality and...
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    I take it the Chen Xiang exclusive is his...

    I take it the Chen Xiang exclusive is his soon-to-be-released chinese oud?
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    The Chinese exclusive is a nice one... Thank...

    The Chinese exclusive is a nice one... Thank goodness I got some of that while it was around as I have not been smelling stuff I like as much, of late!
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    There could be a few variables interacting...

    There could be a few variables interacting there... Hard to tell what you have smelled from your descriptions of course! In any case I hope you are able to make some samples or bottles available...
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    Sandalwood indeed grows in Indonesia - same...

    Sandalwood indeed grows in Indonesia - same species as India. There is some evidence that the species actually originated in Indonesia (can't cite a source off the top of my head, sorry).
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    Search that site for articles on sandalwood -...

    Search that site for articles on sandalwood - there are many more and there is a lot to be learned. My nose confirms a lot of what he states.
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    Most of my sandalwood knowledge I owe to this man...

    Most of my sandalwood knowledge I owe to this man and his blog...


    http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/newsletters/sandalwood
    http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/newsletters/sandalwood_2
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    I feel the copper distilled oils (and low temp...

    I feel the copper distilled oils (and low temp and long duration oils depending on how you look at it) have a much more complex and multilayered scent than any of the steam stuff. I have read this...
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    Well there are multiple variables. The copper...

    Well there are multiple variables. The copper degs are at ambient pressure so of course they are also at lower temperature and require longer distillations. The steam distilled oils were in steel I...
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    I suggest looking at the reputable vendors to figure out what oud should be like.

    I would put Agaraura at the top of the list - seems like a very straight shooter as is Oudimentary.
    ...
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    Kunroku: sweet, a little spicy, not piney at...

    Kunroku: sweet, a little spicy, not piney at all. Kind of like a very mild Sumatra benzoin. I believe it is used in Japanese incense mixtures.

    Mastic - reminds me of turpentine, used as chewing...
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    Kunroku. Copal. Mastic

    Kunroku. Copal. Mastic
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    But ensaroud has had some oils whose selling...

    But ensaroud has had some oils whose selling point was their thickness... So what gives? Either they are tampering to make them thick or other people's thick oud oils could, in theory at least, be...
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    Sheesh... A simultaneous sign of highest and...

    Sheesh... A simultaneous sign of highest and lowest quality oils... Guess we need to rely on trust and our noses!
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    I have a bunch of copper distilled sandalwood...

    I have a bunch of copper distilled sandalwood from Tamil Nadu. Distillation in degs (old style Indian pots for attar production and essential oil production) may be an anachronism today but it was a...
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    I have heard, from ensar himself, that this is...

    I have heard, from ensar himself, that this is invariably a sign of a bunch of white wood being used in the stills... I don't think resin molecules are actually distillable - oud resin is largely...
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    |190 year old? Sounds like a stretch. I have...

    |190 year old? Sounds like a stretch.

    I have always wondered about this kind of thing (oils over, say, 50 years old). Are we really supposed to believe for a "150 year old" oil that someone...
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    "Royal" "kinam" Even though it is neither...

    "Royal" "kinam"

    Even though it is neither royal nor kinam, it smells pretty nice to me...
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